DISCLAIMER: This is cross posted in the diaries on Daily Kos and MyDD.
I am a pretty religious Catholic who believes in Jesus Christ. But I can treat the Bible as something less than the absolute truth. Indeed, I believe it is one large allegory preaching to primative and medieval man values and morals.
There are some fantastic stories in the Bible that as a kid I was skeptical about.
I mean, come on, the Red Sea just parting for Moses? Yeah, that doesn’t wash. The entire planet flooded, and only Noah and his ark full of humans and animals surviving? Unlikely, as we would have evidence of it in the worldwide fossil record.
The world created in just 6 days? I rather believe William Jennings Bryan’s theory in the Scopes Monkey trial that a day back in biblical times could have lasted millions of years.
But, while I am willing to accept the Bible as a book of stories which are ficitional, exxagerated, or only half true, there are others who treat it as the literal word of God, which is the absolute truth and cannot be questioned.
They constantly struggle to bend and twist new scientific discovery and fact so that it fits with the word of God, even though it is quite obvious the Book of Genesis is a story that cannot possibly be taken literally. Am I to believe that the only two humans on Earth were Adam and Eve. That’s it. And they had two sons, Cain and Abel. Yep…those were the only humans on Earth because God created them first. Yep. Huh. Well…then who did Cain and Abel marry? Apes? Yes, look right here, the book says they had wives. Hmmmm. Well I digress.
To those who believe in the absolute truth of Creationism, the Darwin theory is heresy of the worst kind. For years, they have struggled to implement a return to Creationism through the Intelligent Design Theory. But we will return to that in a second.
So frantic to disprove science and to confirm the Bible stories they and generations of their ancestors were raised with, they will resort to lying themselves. Consider this recent article in the New York Times:
Hundreds of miles away, leaders of the National Council on Bible Curriculum in Public Schools notched another victory. A religious advocacy group based in Greensboro, N.C., the council has been pressing a 12-year campaign to get school boards across the country to accept its Bible curriculum.
The council calls its course a nonsectarian historical and literary survey class within constitutional guidelines requiring the separation of church and state.
But a growing chorus of critics says the course, taught by local teachers trained by the council, conceals a religious agenda. The critics say it ignores evolution in favor of creationism and gives credence to dubious assertions that the Constitution is based on the Scriptures, and that “documented research through NASA” backs the biblical account of the sun standing still.
In the latest salvo, the Texas Freedom Network, an advocacy group for religious freedom, has called a news conference for Monday to release a study that finds the national council’s course to be “an error-riddled Bible curriculum that attempts to persuade students and teachers to adopt views that are held primarily within conservative Protestant circles.”
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The course’s broad statements about the Bible being the blueprint for the nation are askew, said Mr. Haynes of the Freedom Forum, part of a nonpartisan ecumenical group promoting the Bible Literacy Project textbook. “If the Bible is a blueprint for the Constitution,” he said, “I guess they haven’t read it,” referring to the Constitution.
Some of the claims made in the national council’s curriculum are laughable, said Mark A. Chancey, professor of religious studies at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, who spent seven weeks studying the syllabus for the freedom network. Mr. Chancey said he found it “riddled with errors” of facts, dates, definitions and incorrect spellings. It cites supposed NASA findings to suggest that the earth stopped twice in its orbit, in support of the literal truth of the biblical text that the sun stood still in Joshua and II Kings.
“When the type of urban legend that normally circulates by e-mail ends up in a textbook, that’s a problem,” Mr. Chancey said.
Indeed. And that is not an urban legend, Mr. Chancey. It is a lie. A lie made up by supporters of this course and believers in the literal truth of the Bible to use modern science to confirm biblical allegories. There has never been a NASA study confirming that the Earth stood still. And while our nation is most definitely influenced by Judeo-Christian principles, and our fouding documents reflect that, the Constitution of the United States did not use the Bible as a blueprint. Unless of course, the true believers concede that the Bible condoned slavery and the inequality of women. I was not aware that Jesus Christ advocated a democratic republic as the best form of government. Further, it would seem that God is not so big on this Freedom of Speech and the Free Exercise of Religion. It would seem to me that God sends you to hell if you don’t follow his religion.
These are lies meant to prove that the Bible is the truth and the light, and nothing else matters. We are not to question the Bible ever, as it is the word of God, and as such we must question everything else.
Which brings me, finally, to Intelligent Design (ID). The theory is not scientifically proven, for it cannot be scientifically proven. How do you prove that God exists? You cannot. Instead, the theory attempts to burrow holes in Natural Selection. A wingnut friend of mine discussed this recently, and he says that the explosion in life during the Pre-Cambrian period cannot be explained by Darwinism since evolution depends upon the slow modificiation of the fittest species over millenia to better adapt them to their environment. He says to me, “what say you to that?” I say, “I don’t know.” He says, “That’s right, because God is the answer. He caused that explosion of life.”
The problem with ID is that it is not science. It does not seek to prove anything. It does not seek to explain anything. As such it isn’t a scientific theory and it isn’t an alternative to natural selection or any other scientific theory. Science always seeks to discover “how.” ID does not seek to discovery “how.” It wants to tell us “why.”
As a scientist, your primary task is observing. If you are observing the universe, it appears the same, no matter if it was designed by God or not. Empirical scientific theories seek to explain how the universe appears to us. These theories, and the scientists who formulate them, have no business positing why the world appears this way. They have no business telling us that, given the complexity of life and how unlikely it is that it therefore must be designed by a higher being. For that is the business of metaphysics. ID is a metaphysical theory. Not a scientific one explaining the orgins of life.
Science does have some metaphysical assumptions, not the least of which is that the universe follows laws, i.e. the Laws of Physics. But Science leaves open the question of whether those laws were designed. That is a metaphysical question. Believing the universe or some part of it was designed or not does not help us understand how it works. If a scientist ever answers an empirical question with the answer “because God made it that way” then that person has left the realm of science and entered the realm of metaphysics. Of course scientists have metaphysical beliefs but those beliefs are irrelevant to strictly scientific explanations. Science is open to both theists and atheists alike.
If we grant that the universe is possibly or even probably the result of intelligent design, what is the next step? We cannot ask God how he designed it. So we give up on understanding. We give up on knowlege. And perhaps that is what the absolute believers want us to do. Obviously, the more science learns and advances, the more allegorical the Bible becomes. If we stop science, the Bible is restored to its role as the Truth.
The point that absolute believers have to get into their heads is that science is not the enemy of God. Science does not seek to disprove the word of the Lord. Science seeks to explain the world. To tell us how it works. If you believe, then God can always be the reason why, but never how, for then you shut the door to all knowledge.
The bible is just a story book. Personally I learned more from Aesop’s fables. I grew up catholic and did try to read the bible once- but there were too many “begats” and I quit.
What is a ‘begat’ anyways…LOL!
A Begat makes great garlic bread or brushetta. 🙂
The stories in the bible… I do not like the whole Eve was punished therefore we women will feel pain and suffer.
These stories are the base for so much hate, racism and war.
Jesus is going to be pissed that so much death was done in his name and the name of his father. …
I like the idea from the movie Dogma… that this BELIEF stuff is overbaord that maybe it would best if people had ideas instead of beliefs.
Ideas can be shared and even changed to improve… try to change a belief and you’ll get shot in the face nowadays.
Thanks for the brilliant diary delaware dem
(sorry that about that Mike Rathje bloke from San Jose … I call him Slothje… Watch how he stands around and misses the play. He’s consistent with that move and how he stands around while a teammate is being pummeled.) Go NHL!
Loved Dogma.
I dunno whether God was up to anything pre-Cambrian, but if creationists wan’t to pretend they have a useful answer to life the universe and everything, that’s fine by me, but it seems not.
Over 80% of the planet’s life was pre-Cambrian, that’s a hell of a lot of time to be thinking about throwing a few bacteria about and waiting half a billion years to get around to me. It seems like an innefficient use of time on god’s part or a very lengthy creative block.
Terrific diary…there’s been some smoken diaries this last week or so…my favorites file is filling up with all my saves.
I still like literal believers of the bible who try and explain dinosaurs..they’ve got some pretty goofy(well all their explanations are goofy)explanations for them.
It’s not enough that they want to teach ID but then to have to lie and make so much shit up just compounds their rank stupidity. Except for the fact that some kids are actually going to believe this.
Summary:
Science – how things work.
Religion – why things work.
Evolution – explains how creatures died out, how new creatures came into being based on all the evidence all the sciences can find
Creationism – everything in the Bible is literally true, therefore the world was created in seven days.
Intelligent Design – doesn’t care how creation happened, just that God gets credit for it.
My take – religion has done some good things, and some really boneheaded things. Push for the end of slavery – good. Protect pedophile priests – bad. Etc.
Science has done some good things – internet, and some bad – toxic waste. Etc.
Its the disrespect and demands for conformity that’ll kill us. Anti-religious types telling the religious that their belief in God is pathetic because Science doesn’t need him — not even for creation. Religious Literalists attacking science because scientific theories don’t match with religious documents. Extremism is not a positive force.
Science extremists — get a grip. Yes, Science says things that don’t fit the literal story of the Bible. So what? That doesn’t disprove God. God is not a scientifically provable phenomena. Science doesn’t distinguish between “there is no God” and “God has created the laws of physics, and all sciences, initiated the universe, and all of creation is his marvelous machine”. Neither of those views is relevant to what science does — explain how things work.
Religious literalist extremists — get a grip. Its not whether God is right or Science is right. God and Science get along famously for most people. Science is never going to disprove your religion, no matter what anyone on either side says. Is your world really one where the two choices are “the bible is literally true” and “there is no God”? And you call that faith? “If every word uttered in the Bible can be parsed as if it were a book of Law, then I’ll believe” ? I think you need to spend more time reading the New Testament, especially if you’re a Christian.
Jesus loves everyone, right? He hangs out with the sick, and the poor, and prostitutes, and the tax collectors, and the scum of the earth. Back in his day, Samaritan was not a respected person, they were the scorned minority group of their time. Even on the cross next to two criminals sentenced to death, he had only mercy to offer them, not scorn, not self-righteousness. Seems Jesus shows a lot of affection for the down and out. So who does he show scorn for?
Well, yes, Satan. Who else? A few of his apostles when they get out of line. But who else? Ah yes, the religious literalists. Those folks who quoted, to the Son of God himself, chapter and verse why those pesky things he did like working on the Sabbath were wrong in the eyes of God.
Keep reading the New Testament. How does Jesus feel about those who don’t accept religious dogma, even if its taught directly by Jesus himself? Apostle Thomas ring a bell? Doubting Thomas? Jesus gets to pick twelve people to learn directly from him, and spread His word. And he picks a guy who’s always questioning and needs to see things first hand over someone who would just unconditionally believe what he’s told. Think Jesus made a mistake? Surely there were folks in the crowds who memorized every word Jesus and the apostles ever uttered, and would have gladly followed Jesus to the end of the world, and up onto the cross. But thats not who Jesus wanted.
Okay, so what else can we learn about strict unquestioning belief in dogma and religious literalism from Jesus? Jesus is pretty much the Authority on Christianity. How did he teach? He’s known as the great teacher. He’s God as man, come to earth to give us all salvation and reveal God’s Word.
How does God as man teach man the Word of God?
Parables.
Yes, that’s right. He told stories with a meaning that went beyond the literal words he used. He taught God’s word by saying one thing and meaning another. By example, not by command.
Now, if Jesus, Son of God, chooses to teach us God’s word in a form other than literal dictation of the absolute laws of God… why would one expect the rest of the Bible to be literal word-for-word truth?
Literalism is the faith of the pharisees. Jesus rejected that. Jesus taught another way to know God. The Good News. The New Testament.
If you’re a Christian Literalist, its worth another read.
Yes thank you, you saved me the time to write something similar…
George might seem dumb, but what he did was an act of pure genius… He took us all away from bitching about Bolten, and Rove to debating the meaning of life amongst ourselves. (humans have been trying to figure this out for how long)?
I’ve even read a couple, we need to rid the democratic party of Christian posts elsewhere. Suddenly pinko commie lib religious types are Bush hugging bible freaks…
This is exactly what Bush wants… If the Democratic Party were to try a purge of Christians it wouldn’t be pretty. Catholicism is booming in the hispanic and asian communities. The black community is heavily spiritual. And in the south Conservative Democrats also seek the same voters W does. And that’s just people in the Christian community.
Maybe it’s time we all fight for science and democracy and let people believe what they want.
Every time some wingnut fanatic starts referring to something or other in Darwin’s writings, the urge to pimp slap him is well-nigh irresistable. Darwin wasn’t a prophet, he was a scientist. Evolutionary biology begins with Darwin, much as rocket science begins with the ancient Chinese, but neither of them have held still in the intervening years. Between Darwin and Stephen Jay Gould lies a road as long as the one between Chinese fireworks and the space shuttle. Darwin is vastly important to the history of evolutionary biology, but he doesn’t get cited in papers very often these days.
The precambrian explosion, for example, is an instance of what is now known adaptive radiation, which is well-understood by modern biologists. Speciation is usually very slow, but when environmental conditions change dramatically, there can be a brief period of time during which large numbers of new species arise.
“Brief”, in this case, is a matter of geological time, but some evolution happens on human time scales, the most notable example of which would be the evolution of antibiotic-resistant strains of old diseases and the appearance of new lethal strains like avian flu. Perhaps after the next great flu pandemic, God will be able to explain evolution to the ID folks face-to-face.
is that the Bible was not written by 20th-century Americans.
Nor was it written in English.
Nor is the English the Bible was translated into the English of today, although it gives the English today a great deal of its color (it can be argued that the Bible and Shakespeare are the foundation for our modern language). Just as an example, take the phrase “by and by.” Today it means “whenever we get around to it.” In 1611 it meant “right away.” And what is a “gier eagle,” mentioned in Leviticus and Deuteronomy? I don’t know, and most likely neither do you. (I believe the best guess is that it is some kind of vulture.)
And not only is the Bible a translation of words, it is a translation of thoughts. The Hebrew of the Old Testament is an intensively poetic language, where you don’t come out and say exactly what you mean as often as you do. To use a very modern phrase, in order to understand the Bible you have to “get into the heads” of its writers, which is a very difficult thing to do. We are by and large city dwellers, the least of us used to comfort and opulence that would have made Solomon’s eyes cross. The Hebrews were an agrarian society, where even the most urban of seventh-century-BCE urbanites was not that far removed from the land. Some of us think we worship the same God, but that’s not much of a connection.
In short, the people who wrote the Bible didn’t speak, write or even think the way we do. To assume that we can come to an absolute divination of God’s will by means of the Bible as we have it today is folly indeed.
And don’t even get me started on the Apocrypha, or how the Bible proves that π (pi) is actually equal to 3.