(Crossposted from OurWord.org)
It is hard for me to comprehend that in 2005, women’s basic rights to full autonomy and control over their own bodies and lives are once again being threatened by far right wing religious fanatics who have gained a solid political foothold in this administration. It is alarming beyond words for me to see that so many of today’s liberal women and men seem willing to compromise and move toward the center on what I hear referred to as “special interest issues,” meaning of course, issues that primarily affect women’s lives.
I also know that if one has always enjoyed the basic freedoms to create lives of their own choosing, it is very difficult to imagine a life where one’s freedom and choices are fully dictated by others. Yet that is the kind of life many of us who are older now, were born into, and shaped by.
My small town ultra conservative, strictly religious world was designed by and ruled by the same kind of far right radical religious extremists who are again striving to take control of women’s lives. They know if they can succeed, once again they will gain the power to set the rules and roles for all of us, according to their own religious ideologies and values. It was these kinds of “religious” teachings, drummed into me from my earliest memory, that led me to this experience.
Circa 1950’s.
I was thirteen when I finally got desperate enough to seek help after six years of sexual and physical abuse from two men living in my very religious and proper home. It took me a long time to work up the courage to break the Big Rule ( about keeping what happens at home private) but I finally I turned to my minister, the only hope I could see.
It was raining that day when I walked back home, after learning from this trusted man of God that it was probably my own fault, for acting seductively in from of those men. He had asked me lots of questions about how I dressed and acted around these two men. Yes, sometimes I did wear my nightie around the house in the evenings. Yes, sometimes I did sit on their laps. (But only when they asked me to!) Didn’t I know I was way too big a girl to do that? He prayed with me for my forgiveness, and for guidance to help me remain chaste in mind and heart.
On the way home, I wished the rain was like some kind of acid that could just make me disappear.
How does a very intelligent, strong willed thirteen-year-old girl come to actually believe she is fully responsible for inviting the sexual and physical abuse that makes her life a living hell?
Start with putting her into a fundamentalist pseudo-Christian environment and feed her a steady diet of sin, guilt, shame and blame from day one. Teach her she was born sinful; that she was an afterthought in creation, made only to keep Adam from being too lonely: that she was made from one of his extra ribs, as if not worthy of God wasting any original material.
From day one in Sunday school, if she dares to ask question any of this, you slap her down hard, so she learns that questioning the word of God is a sin, and then you keep slapping her down and ostracizing her every time she does from then on.
You teach her that it was a woman who was responsible for Adam becoming sinful, and that because she was so bad, all women forever more would be punished by bleeding every month and suffering greatly when she had babies.
You make sure that she is taught what God-given roles are intended for her, in life as a woman. You teach her that the only way to get to heaven is to fulfill them all graciously, willingly, with fervent gratitude for have been granted this opportunity to serve Christ. You give her a simple God-directed blueprint for becoming a Good Christian Woman: she is to love, honor, and obey men, in the home, the church, and the community, while caring well for her children and loved one’s who need her, always without a single, selfish thought of her own needs.
You start very early telling her what the consequences will be if she fails to meet the expectations of God and her Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, who died for her sins. That would be, of course, to burn in everlasting hell for all eternity. A hell described graphically described every single Sunday, so she would fully understand and never forget.
You also make sure she is fully aware that a harsh and judgmental God actually can see every single thing she does, know every single thought she has, and that He has the power and the right to strike her dead at any given moment. (I used to think I was safe under the big grand piano.)
You put her in a home in a small town, full of adults who were also taught all these same religious truths, and make sure she remains protected and isolated from the “sinful outside world,” so the only reality she has ever known is this one.
You put her in a world where the only information available for her to use in the vital years of personality formation and self identification, comes from two single sources: the harsh religious ideologies of an extreme fundamentalist religion, and the living examples of it in the actions of every adult around her. You give her a mother who is used to being treated like a sexual plaything and punching bag, as a role model. You give her (very religious) men who assume the right to use a child’s body for their own sexual pleasure. You give her a religious leader who sends her back home for more of the same, along with the added burden of validated guilt, because now she knows for a fact it is her fault because Almighty God, through his Holy Man, has just told her so.
So that’s how it happened that an intelligent, powerful 13 year-old girl came to be walking home from her church, wishing the rain was acid, so she could disappear, as she deserved to.
( and so she didn’t have to walk through that deadly door at home ever again.)
Now, a half century later, I’m finally free of all of these lies about my lack of worth as a human being and I certainly no longer believe I am a second class citizen because I am a female. It cost me many years of my life to undo the serious damage caused by this extremist religion, and the so called “Men of God” who ruled my world.
Now, I see them beginning to rise back into powerful positions that I ever dreamed they’d ever have in America. Today’s far-right extreme fundamentalists, like those before them, have perverted the faith to serve their own needs for power and control. Only now, they have learned how to be more much more subtle and “civilized” in their approach.
Yet they are even more bold in their intention not only to be masters in their own homes, but to dominate the homes and wombs of women by denying them the right to preside over their own bodies. They will continue to insert their far right ideologies into every level of government and social institution they can. They have adopted every single effective high level propaganda technique there is, and have absolutely mastered art of sleazy, unethical behind the scenes purchase, acquisition and accumulation of the political power they need. Power they wish to use not only against women, but anyone else who is not just like themselves.
I often hear that I am “over reacting.” That the danger I see is some kind of post traumatic reaction on my part, and not likely to happen today. I will be forever grateful of this is the case, but I don’t believe it is. There is too much evidence surfacing every day, that what I am seeing is flat out reality.
It is important to me that you know I do not share this tale to condemn Christianity as a religion. I know far too many good and loving people who are Christians, including my own children.
I share it only to condemn and to stand against those extremists within Christianity who subvert and twist it to serve their own sinful need for power and control over others, no matter whose lives they destroy in the process, and who claim to be doing it “in the name of God.”
What an absolute abomination.
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I still walk in the rain sometimes.
Only now, I think if it did turn to acid, it should fall on them, not me.
Thank you for sharing this story, and for being brave. For all of us who lived in that time, in that prison, it is horrifying to see that darkness coming back. I really do think we can defeat them, if I didn’t believe that I couldn’t go on living. We can and we will,but I grieve for those we lose along the way.
I think one of the hardest parts is getting younger women, who have no memory of this time, and whose mothers did not have direct exposure to this time to take it seriously.
Apparently even with lanuguage the absence of personal experiance dooms us to repeat ourselves.
Here’s the hope I hang tight to: I know that my powerful daughters, and grandaughters were raised knowing who they are from the start. They will never have to dig their way out of the swamp I did. Maybe they don’t see the danger yet, as clearly as we do, but..when they do, watch out, because women of these later generations DO know how powerful they are, and won’t hesitate to fight to hang onto the freedoms they’ve always had.
I have to believe we can keep this from happening again too. One of my greatest hopes lie in the power I see in my daughters and grandaughters, who grew up knowing exactly who they are, and who live in full possession of their own identies and strength. They may not see the danger as clearly as we do at this point, but they will, and then the religious winguts will truly have their come uppance.
And bless you if you still have the courage to share your story with some young girls who need to learn from it. I hope you don’t mind if I make copies and leave them around where it might get some attention.
Please do use this wherever you believe it may make some difference. I also hope more and more older women step forth with their true stories of lives lived under this kind of opressive culture. I see it as putting hard old experiences to good use now, and as something I can contribute to the battle.
Once upon a time….my story was told at DailyKos…today the links are down for archived diaries.. “Church condones child abuse” …so I know your pain and growth.
Thank you for sharing ~ more comment below
i caught some of that stuff myself in the 1960s. that whole thing about childbirth being painful as punishment for eve eating an apple…. damn that’s fucked up!
Yep..and it surely did let Adam off the hook too, didn’t it?
why someone, when told that Eve brought sin into the world, doesn’t ask, “Why didn’t Adam say ‘No’?”
And I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Eve = evil in these folks alleged minds.
You know, maybe Santorum was partially right (but also wrong) when he said that liberalism was the cause of the Catholic sex scandals. No, it wasn’t liberalism that caused those priests to sexually abuse young children…but people are freer about speaking out, because they know that the sin was not on them, but on those who committed the acts, just as you’ve learned that you were not responsible for the behavior of those in your household.
Just a thought…
The buck stops where?..The whole stupid story of Eve tempting Adam and patriarchy trying to blame it all on Eve is such crap. Why doesn’t anyone wonder why Adam who apparently was so wishy/washy he followed Eve(then whined about it) while in turn we’re supposed to believe men are more powerful, smart and should be head of households. Yet men can be supposedly led around by any and all women to sin?…the whole logic is so illogical I don’t know why so many women go along with that crap. And continue to buy into that story to this day.
Years ago I remember reading a book called “Reinventing Eve” by Chernin. As I recall, she wanted to reclaim Eve and the act of disobedience against “the father” to reach out and EAT of the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil.” In other words – she wanted wisdom.
Here is the publishers summary:
“From Chernin’s keen perspective, women, if they are to tap their authentic potential, must reclaim forgotten forms of female knowledge and power, often repressed because they are associated with oppressive mothers or religious taboos. Her discussion of the dilemma of Eve in the Garden of Eden whether to eat or not to eat a forbidden food explores the meaning of food vis-a-vis female creativity and its prohibition in a father-dominated culture. Eve, “a heroine of disobedience,” discovers she has been made in the image of the Mother Goddess and possesses her capacity for self-assertion, sovereignty and sensuality.”
Another powerful, well told writing from you. I was thinking very much about a writing along these same lines last night as I was remembering about jobs and courses of study in school that women were heavily discouraged from if not out right barred from when I was growing up in the 50’s. So many don’ts, can’ts, won’ts that girls and women were restricted by. The straight jacket of the dominant male society that told us how to act, what to wear, and what choices we could choose from.
It was a strange time and I am sure that very many of the young women and men today not only have very little if any knowledge of it, but would find it very difficult to believe.
Thanks for sharing your story with us, which unfortunately, far too many women of our age experienced, even in lesser religious households.
Proud to call you my sister.
and an indication, I believe of the strong netroots support for women and shared concern over the rise of the far right religious wankers, is the fact that this diary walked right to the top of the rec list at dkos. (The first thing I’ve posted there in months.) I almost fell over I was so surprised.)
I have so many emotions after reading this and very few thoughts. I thank you for telling this story scribe – and I will pass it on to others as well. I share with you so many of these experiences. All but maybe the one most powerful – at least the men in my life left me alone sexually. But I will NOT say that I am grateful for that – because being grateful to them about anything is not something I will ever feel. But all of the lies and fear and guilt were there just as you described them. It was like growing up with a big “SHUT UP” from the world. I have moved on from there and one of the things I’m angry about these days is all of the reminders of those feelings that are triggered by the wingers these days. Thought it was behind me – but there it is rearing its ugly head again. Sometimes I just want to echo our crazed leader and say “bring it on” lets just have the battle outright and get it over with!!
Your last statement..about feeling like saying “Bring it on!”, was on my mind after I finally decided to post this on the heavily traveled blogs. I actually thought about “What if?” (ie what if they heard about this, and somehow tried to silence me?) The mere fact that I felt that fear at all made me so mad it tipped the scales and I DID post it, thinking “Bring in ON then!” I think, NL, a whole lot of us are experiencing these kids of memories. Time to speak up and stick together.
All morning long the 13 year old girl inside me has wanted to say something to the 13 year old girl inside you but I don’t know exactly what it is except “Yeah.. f#$k the bastards… we’re here now… so deal with it!!”
And we aren’t gonna take any of that sh*t ANYMORE..so STUFF IT WHERE THE SUN DON’T SHINE!
Thanks scribe for this moving post. It’s so good to see your story end so positively:
You sound so strong now, and yet from your post you clearly showed us the path you took to get here.
What you’ve written speaks so strongly to me. It is really the reason I have such a hard time w/ religion. To me, it has always been about men doing things – preaching, men saving people, men being close w/ God. All my life I’ve been taught (consciously and unconsciously) that God had issues w/ women – we were there to cause havoc, to do the devil’s work, to breed, to be temptors. And like you said in your diary, we were made from the bits of man and destined to be punished for all our earthly lives. What kind of impression does that have on a young girl? It affects her. It really does. It makes me sad too, because I can’t reconcile a god as, you know, the ‘God,’ who would treat me – a woman – like I have learned.
I was well into my 30’s before I was finally able to make a full break from this “religious prison”. I kept trying, again and again, to make it work in my life, but I just couldn’t. Then I went for several years trying to live without any spiritual belief system at all, (outside of faith in my own survival instincts.) That was easier, but there was still some kind of void inside. From there, I was finally able to enter into a lengthy spiritual search of my very own design, and spent years studying many different, mostly non-theist spiritual pathways. Since none of those was a perfect fit either, what I’ve ended up with is my personal accumulation of spiritually based beliefs that have now formed the center of my very full and contented life. This not not require me to worship any deity in particular, nor does it require me obey the “rules” of any religious doctrine men have decreed to be divinely inspired. It’s a really a very simple faith based on basic prinicples of first, doing no harm, and then trusting in the flow, or force of goodness that I am convinced does exist, in and around and within all of us. I can choose to step into it and become a part of it, or step out of it into a more shadowy place where the worst of who we are feeds in the dark.
No organized religion, in my opinion, holds the only franchise on spirituality and faith.
Thanks for this scribe. It really means a lot to me, what you’ve written here, reading about your development of spirituality and belief system. I’ve struggled w/ it as long as I can remember (I’m 33 now). It seems as if the more I learn, the more confused I become. And it’s a feeling of being lost or out of sync somehow – like the void you mentioned – so I know there IS something missing. I just haven’t discovered what it is yet… Thanks again for your comments. Experiences (and words to describe them) matter; you never know who’ll reach on any given day!
Olivia, you make me think about a passage at the end of the book “The Color Purple.” Its one of the guiding principles of my spiritual quest. Mr.__ and Celie are talking and Mr._ says,
“You ast yourself one question, it lead to fifteen. I start to wonder why us need love. Why us suffer. Why us black. Why us men and women. Where do children really come from. It didn’t take long to realize I didn’t hardly know nothing. And that if you ast yourself why you black or a man or a woman or a bush it don’t me nothing if you don’t ast why you here, period.
So what you think? I ast.
I think us here to wonder, myself. To wonder. To ast. And that in wondering bout the big things and asting bout the big things, you learn about the little ones, almost my accident. But you never know nothing more about the big things that you start out with. The more I wonder, he say, the more I love.”
That’s lovely. Thanks so much NL. To wonder and ask…
You know, I’ve never read that book (or seen the movie). I’m going to put it on my reading list now.
that Jesus the Christ welcomed women into the fullness of His ministry…but that story was submerged and hidden by the men that wrote the Gospels who did not want their part overshadowed. Then Paul came along and took things to extremes…and women in the Church have been screwed ever since.
The Bible is a strange dichotomy — both a living document and a reflection of its times. The Religious Reich seems to be unable (or unwilling) to separate the Spirit of the Word from the letters of the Book…the same problem the Pharisees of Jesus’ time had, which is why the term “Neo-Pharisees” is very apt for the Religious Reich.
I agree w/ you regarding the idea that those in power fashioned the religious doctrine as to retain that power.
It’s wonderful to read everyone’s comments in this diary. You never realize the power of group cohesion until you step outside the group… I’ve had such a hard time explaining my apprehension of organized religion and male dominance to my family and friends who seem to have no problem reconciling their femininity w/ Christianity. It’s liberating to see others’ journeys.
My book group just read “Dance of the Dissident Daughter: A Woman’s Journey from Christian Tradition to the Sacred Feminine” by Sue Monk Kidd (the author of “The Secret Life of Bees”) It sparked such a great discussion about feminism and spirituality that we decided to continue it at our next meeting. I wish I could capture all of the wonderful discussions here from this diary and a couple of others that have been so meaningful and share it all with them.
It looks like a popular book NL and scribe! I really enjoyed Kidd’s The Secret Life of Bees, so I can see this being a good read. Another book goes on my list … two recs by you NL!
I’m reading “The Dance of the Dissident Daughter”, by Sue Monk Kidd, the thoughtful story of a Christian womans journey through her process of questioning the status quo, assigned roles, and redefining herself and her spirituality. It’s an interesting read.
You and NL above must have posted at the same time … LOL. Definitely the sign of a good book rec. I’m going to look into this book right away. Thanks scribe.
The one book I am reading right now is The Spiral Staircase by Karen Armstrong. Another interesting read of a woman’s religious and spiritual journey. (It was rec by teacherken actually…)
Did we really post this at the same time?! Thats it – I think Scribe and I are channelling or something. I do so identify with everything you write!!
Goes both ways, too Maybe coffee and politics someday, since we’re in the same town? Email if you like scribe40@aol.com.
Scribe, this is the post powerful thing I have read in a long time. It always bothered me, growing up as a catholic, why women were always the root of evil in the bible. It starts with Eve making Adam eat the forbidden fruit…and continues with whores tempting men to sin etc. As a little girl it made me feel shameful, bad, undeserving, dirty and worth far less than the boys.
If you want to control women, and do we really doubt that’s what the religious right is forever trying to do, what better way than to convince us we are bad and sinful and need to repent ourselves in front of the Father to be acceptable in his eyes?
I do not think it is being melodramatic or overreacting to be fearful of a return to the sexually oppressive days prior to the women’s movement. Young women today have grown up with relative freedom over their bodies and their sexuality, and I think that’s why they don’t get freaked out about the religious zealots who are working politically to take those freedoms away again. They just don’t believe it is a possibility. After all, in America we don’t go backwards, do we? We don’t take freedoms away, do we?
I don’t think it is ever wise to ever take freedom for granted. It is such a precious thing. It needs to be remembered, appreciated, nurtured and protected, always. It is a thing many don’t fully cherish, until it is their own or their loved ones freedom that is threatened, yet if all aren’t free, no one really is, not even those at the top of the heap. (Maintaining control of others is…”hard work,” you know. )
Your writing is very powerful scribe, especially as it comes from such a personal place as to expose the perverted ‘religious’ moral decay from within that afflicts far to many of the religious fundamentalist mindset, beliefs and actions. Not that I find anything remotely ‘religious’ about that mindset.
Living through personal hell like this only makes it more amazing that your words can be such a powerful indictment without devolving into just ranting and raving about what has happened to you. The ultimate power trip for them-having them in charge of our bodies.
I certainly don’t believe your ‘overreacting’ as the Dobsons, Falwell’s etc would like nothing better than to have women subjugated to men once again..starting with taking away our right to our own bodies.
If I needed any further proof of someone like Dobson thinking women were second class citizens that notion was reinforced by this little tale of patriarchy I read on his site one day.
Dobson was relating how to raise a boy child to become a true leader in his household when he got older and married and one example of how this was done was to tell this story. A father should start teaching his son who is in charge the next time the family goes somewhere by having the son sit in the front seat with the father while the mother and daughter have to sit in the back seat. Then father can discuss ‘manly’ matters with the son and how an 8 year boy actually takes precedence over a mother. And he of course believes this is how the bible wants things to be.
This truly is one of the most stomach churning little stories I’ve read on how to raise a son but certainly points up just how gd sick that bastard is. And why we have to fight like hell against people like him.
I tried to find that about the boy sitting in the front seat on the Dobson website, because I wanted to read it and possibly link to it from my blog to emphasize this attitude towards women, and had no luck. You wouldn’t happen to have a link to it, maybe, possibly? I’m hopeful, because that really tells the story right there.
I remember my son clearly identifying with my masculinity when he was in that period between kindergarten and first grade. For example, as our family prepared to leave in the car, Ryan would say, “Hey, Dad. Us guys will get in the front seat and the girls will sit in the back.” He wanted it known that he was a “guy” just like me. I was keenly aware that he was patterning his behavior and masculinity after mine. That’s the way the system is supposed to work.
But here’s the rub: When fathers are absent at that time, or if they are inaccessible, distant, or abusive, their boys have only a vague notion of what it means to be male. Whereas girls have a readily available model after which to pattern feminine behavior and attitudes (except when they are raised by single fathers), boys living with single mothers are left to formulate their masculine identity out of thin air. This is why early divorce is also devastating for boys. Writer Angela Phillips believes, and I agree, that the high incidence of homosexuality occurring in Western nations is related, at least in part, to the absence of positive male influence when boys are moving through the first crisis of child development. 9 One of the primary objectives of parents is to help boys identify their gender assignments and understand what it means to be a man. We must return to that point when I talk in a later chapter about the antecedents of homosexuality.
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Thanks for the link, I will check it out.
Seems to me that the mother sitting in the back with the girls at the request of the boy is not a good thing. It does imply that the females are not as good, or not in control because they weren’t in the front. Maybe if they traded off, with the guys in the back sometimes, it would have been more egalitarian without interfering with the bonding of the father and son.
Does that sound better to everyone?
Actually, I think that he is wrong about the younger girls not needing to bond at the same time with the fathers. It seems to me that in order for them to manage to survive the tendency of so many to tell them they can’t do things they need a father to tell them they can. Most women that have done prominent things in the world had a father that told them they could.
Oh, wait, I’m coming from a different place. He wants the girls to think they can’t do all those things the boys can. They are supposed to be subserviant and compliant, not strong and independant. My bad. This is about the parents not making the boy into a homosexual, as though they can control that.
hey boo, thanks for checking out story. I read that over a year and half ago I think and I mostly remember the car story crap..although my remembering was a bit hazy. And I learned that for my own sanity not to go read dobson periodically unless I wanted to be pissed off for days. It just makes my head hurt to think so many people believe that fucken drivel about sexes.
I read a book, some years back, by Louise Dealvo, called Virginia Woolf: The Impact of Childhood Sexual Abuse on Her Life and Work. I believe it’s out of print, but I still highly recommend it. What I learned from reading her book was that in proper, moral, upright, Victorian era, when women knew their place, and children were seen and not heard, sexual abuse was rampant. It was really a pervasive cultural influence. In any culture where women and children are lesser beings, their bodies will not be their own. The mentality that we are property is like a vestigial tail, we can’t evolve away from. Joseph Campbell is right. The Bible represents a “tribally circumscribed” worldview, that keeps stuck in the past. But, it’s hardly the only cultural organ that keeps us all slaves. It’s one of many.
I would be a lot more worked up about what we stand to lose, if I thought we’d gained so much. If anything, this is a reminder, that the culture never really caught up to hard won innovation. There are still too many men, and not a few women, who have never accepted the notion that women are people.
I read that book, I’ll have to find it again-but I do remember that it seemed that sexual abuse was and is a kind of training for women in cultures that do no value them. An early lesson in what they should be, what they are limited to. I always have an image of women being trained like a bonsai- tortured into the “proper” form…
Thanks for bringing that book to mind again.
What’s really scary is how easy it still is for people to get stuck in this mindset. A friend from the southern US I met in my freshman year at University was like this, and seriously believed that it was right. Her family hadn’t abused her as yours did (to the best of my knowledge, anyway…) Five years later, she’s still trying to fight her way out of the trap. I’m not even sure she’s aware of what she’s doing, but she’s become significantly more liberal since I first met her. Her parents seem to have basically given up on her, and make a point of reminding her of this…
With the modern mass media, I wonder if it’s easier or harder for young people these days to escape the trap. Someone seems to have picked up on the fact that fundamentalists make an excellent “manufactured demographic”, and there’s a lot of push for young people to adopt a “moral lifestyle”. Add that to universities like Bob Jones…
Such a brave diary- and I swear- why does it have to be bravery to speak the truth?
the truth is such a powerful weapon. It’s always been dangerous to take the chance of letting it fall into the wrong heads.
…and because people who revere the status quo (that allows them to enjoy power and privelege) have a very nasty habit of trying to “kill the messenger.” who just might threaten that status quo, or reveal its grimy slimy underside.
“What would happen if one woman told the truth about her life? / The world would split open.”
Muriel Rukeyser
scribe!
you have dominated the leftists women’s internet since like thursday!
29 hours up at KOS
since thursday at our word
and here for two solid days.
you know, we all hide beind defensive walls that protect us. but to get what we need we have to make ourselves vulnerable and let the walls down. in doing so, we risk destruction.
i am so happy that you let your walls down
and got NOTHING
but
UNDERSTANDING AND RESPECT!
heck, you go girl. you got it going.
love,
renee
I am late to this diary, having found it through ghostdancers’ story.
Whatever the reasons, whatever the church, abuse is so destructive. My story is different, and not.
Like you my anger at the current return to subjugation – boys or girls, through religion and abuse, terrifies me. We fight it now through the system, and if necessary the fight for the children will be in the streets. I’ll fight them with all I have so that another child doesn’t cry from the pain, feel the “shame” inflicted”, or cower from “men of god”.
Hugs and love to you my sister…there is a dry and warm place in my home for you always…