Chris Bowers, over at MyDD.com thinks Bush has bottomed out.
Jerome first reported on this back in June. Even with only 26% Independent approval, and 18% Democratic approval, Bush still came in at 42% approval nationwide. With the Noise Machine and the Conservative Media Empire holding a near monopoly on the production of current events reality for Bush’s base, we have absolutely no ability to sway it. The only way that Bush’s base will start to move away from him is if the Noise Machine itself starts to move away from him. That doesn’t seem bloody likely.
My analysis on the flip:
First of all, I totally agree with Chris’s overall point. We need to succeed in our efforts to combat the right-wing noise machine. Bush’s numbers are holding in the low-40’s in large, large measure because the media is so deathly afraid to call this administration crooked, dishonest, and incompetent. Too often, the media is an accomplice to crimes and an abettor in diseminating misleading information.
I also think that Bush has a core base of voters that will not abandon him under almost any foreseeable circumstances. I just disagree about the size.
I think there is a 40/40/20 split in this country. That means: about 40% of the people will not currently vote for any Democrat, 40% currently will not vote for any Republican, and 20% are too stupid to know the difference between the two sides. Within this group of stupid people, are a good number of people that have convinced themselves that both parties are worthless, and so neither can be supported.
It’s the latter half of that judgment that is stupid. No matter how bad our representatives are, we still must choose. But, back to the point: The 40/40/20 split may be real today, but it is fully capable of changing tomorrow.
Let’s say, hypothetically, that two things happen:
1) The Iraqis are not able to agree on a constitution and vote on it this year.
2) Rove, Libby, and two or three other members of the administration are indicted for a variety of crimes, mostly involving obstructing justice and perjury.
All other things (e.g. economy) being equal, Bush’s numbers will have to go down. One in four independents support the President now. That number will decrease. The media will turn on Bush, and vulnerable Republicans will run fleeing from the White House.
Personally, I am hoping that the Iraqis succeed in ratifying a constitution and electing a government before February, 2006. I want our boys and girls to come home.
But the difficulties emerging around the constitution look daunting, and the possibility of a real setback in Iraq are looking more and more inevitable.
It’s also looking more likely that Rove and Libby are going to be indicted. So, it’s not going out on a ledge to speculate about the possible political repercussions of a dual disaster hitting the Presidency sometime this fall or winter.
Big events shift voting coalitions. JFK’s assassination created a Democratic supermajority. LBJ’s civil rights act flipped the regional bases of the two parties. Nixon’s abuse of power created another supermajority bloc for the Dems.
We have been in a slow march back from the 1974 elections ever since they occurred. Since at least 1988, our elections have been 40-40-20 affairs. The 20% of the people that are stupid enough to be swayed by last-second ad-blitzes, or myopic enough to fail to pick a side, have been deciding the elections.
It’s now common wisdom that the best way to win an election is to pander to your 40% base, and try to win 11% of the idiot population through careful framing, poll-testing, and general strategic bullshitting.
But there is a second way to win an election. You can win an election by enlarging your base from 40% to over 50%.
Big events change the peoples’ perceptions of the parties and what they stand for. When the most famous Democrats were FDR and Woodrow Wilson, and our bloc base was southern, it would have been absurd to think of the GOP as tougher on national defense. But, rabid anti-communism and support for expensive defense programs on the right, combined with the emergence of a anti-war anti-nuke movement on the left, has shifted the public consciousness.
Such shifts take time. But Bush has already alienated the paleoconservatives and the libertarians in his base. His support is down to a quarter of independents. In my opinion, he has not yet begun to bottom out. We are on the cusp of a bloc-shifting event, where Republicans are going to get tarred with reputations for military adventuresomeness, economic profligacy, basic dishonesty, and political corruption.
Bush and his noise machine are very good at spinning small-to-medium events. But they can’t spin indictments, and they can’t put Iraq back on its timeline if events spiral out of control.
If those two things happen this year, Bush’s numbers will plummet even further. And because that plummeting will be coming out of his most ardent supporters, it will mean a BIG EVENT has occurred that will enlarge the Democratic bloc for an election cycle or two…or possibly longer.
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you ain’t got a clue what you are doing, nor how your plans effect the world community!
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Only a fool lies and deceives to save his own skin for history’s sake George. Unfortunately, Tony Blair shows George the way.
WaPo Account— Bush’s televised landing on the USS Abraham Lincoln, for which the president wore a flight suit and a helmet and took underwater survival training in the White House swimming pool, was the dramatic start to a visit to the carrier. This included an air show and a televised speech to the nation. In his address, the president declared victory in Iraq in front of cheering sailors and a banner proclaiming “Mission Accomplished.”
Keep the Left Wing Noise Machine Perking [LW-NMP]!
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That’s really funny!
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Special design with monogram for our Commander-In-Chief, confusion arose when an ear plug wasn’t installed for instructions. Perhaps our VP had left the WH bunker to do a leak and left George on his own.
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Is there any evidence for the earplug accusations. I saw a video once that made Bush look like he was wearing an earpiece but there wasn’t any hard evidence there..
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Dec. 22, 2003 – An Absurd Asinuation
April 14, 2004 – Press conference scripted
Oct 2, 2004 – What’s the frequency, Karl?
Oct 3, 2004 – Debates: “What is that thing?”
April 29, 2005 – Bush was wired again!
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Interesting..
Sorry, confused, is this real? Is this photoshopped?
The dateline is January 2003 — is this more of the war propaganda?
My goodness, the photo says it all, doesn’t it?
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Click on the picture for the source –
It must be real. With photo labeled as Ommanney, he cannot permit otherwise.
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good points in all, plus, the 06 reps elections must be won, to make a clean sweep.
Then I could get a good nights sleep, and not worry about the hangover after the party ; ) (hell, I could even afford to drive to it)
Don’t think we have seen the bottom yet. Looking at Chimpy’s approval on specific issues, you can see many numbers dip way down into the low 30’s — even with issues like Social Security, on which the rubes can’t be overly confused about what his position is. In other words, since the hard core Koolaid drinkers never disagree with their man no matter what, it seems there’s at least 10% of his “base” that’s probably skating on misperceptions about his character, personality, etc. They don’t agree with what he does, but somehow think he’s a good guy. That’s clearly shifting, and it’s another bonus of Cindy Sheehan’s protest that it will drive that shift further. Indictments would also help.
But I want to speak of the “koolaid crowd.” I know them quite well, since most of my family partakes. As an example, my dad watched the whole Nixon debacle and continued to support him as the majority of his administration earned jail time. The tipping point when he began to question … when transcripts of the tapes were published and he saw how much Nixon swore!!! So you can engage in criminal activities and trample the constitution – but don’t you DARE swear while you’re doing it!!
His support of W far exceeds anything he experienced for Nixon – cause W’s a “believer.” So don’t count on any shifts in this crowd.
I know it’s considered bad form to cite Capitol Hill Blue as a source, but I have observed over the last year or so that it frequently is far out in front on Washington political stories. Something it reports will be dissed, then gradually noticed, then become part of the conversation. Its approach seems more libertarian than of one of the two big political parties.
That said, take a look at this opinion column. It sounds like an endgame description of Tricky Dick at his worst. Swearing is the least of it.
W is no ‘believer’ in anything but making the rich even wealthier. The whole religion thing for him is a sham. A man who practiced Christianity would be incapable of Empire building and invading a country for its oil. He squaks and postures but doesn’t walk the walk. He can and should be exposed for this.
Are you asserting that aggressive imperialists cannot be devout Christians in their own mind? That I must say is a deeply unconvincing proposition, historically speaking.
I think the distinction is between those actually following the teachings of Christ, and those that simply believe they are.
Christians have killed each other by the thousands arguing in part over who was “actually” following the teachings of Christ.
To my eyes the problem is the Gospel of John, whose Jesus in some quotations demands absolute loyalty to himself. That seems to open the door to the worst abuses we’ve seen from the religion.
If we only had the Jesus of the other 3 (Synoptic) gospels, we’d have the fairly consistent, plausible historic teacher admired by Jefferson and so many of the social-justice Christians. I don’t see any consistency between either hard-line or fundamentalist Christians of any stripe, and Synoptic Jesus. He seems to be directly opposed to them in any number of direct instructions as well as his philosophy.
There’s no way to get Christians to reach a consensus on what Christ “actually” teaches. From the Roman Catholics to the fundamentalist Protestants, the largest Christian faiths are fairly authoritarian. They’re not taking external input on matters of faith.
There’s not much the outside world can do about Christians except a combination of containing the damage they’re able to cause, and offering them modern ways of doing as many things as possible that they find work better for them than obeying their authorities.
Our problem today is much more serious than one administration. As we draw down opportunity for the common people, concentrating it among a remote and elite few, at the same time that the world becomes harder for them to understand, we’re dismantling the conditions that gave us the Enlightenment and restoring the kind of world where authoritarian and fundamentalist religions thrive. It thrives because, overall, it actually works better for the people than education and reason.
Yeah, but the claim under scrutiny was this:
There’s no solid evidence for that, IMO.
I have heard and read that those republican senators and congressmen/women who are up for re-election this time out, are trying to distance themselves from the coattails of dubya for the shear reason they know that the ppl out in their districts are not happy one bit and the war is the tipping point in all of this. Some districts are unhappy about the economy but when taken to stead with the war and its effect on homes and communities, they tend to get paranoid and distance themselves from dubya. Once they win then they will come back to dubya for their rewards.
I find it interesting, since I am an independent and my hairdresser is a libertarian, that we do agree more than most do on the condition that we are all in today. My hairdresser is so funny when he tries to describe dubya and the republican party……I think he is more upset with the republicans than I could ever be…and that is a stretch, to say the least….really….you all know how I detest dubya…
Anyhow, I do believe before this is done and over with, and seeing how Paul Hackett did in Ohio recently, the republican party is surely on a road of destruction if they do not change their ways and quick…the evangelicals are not all that powerful, even if they try to say they are….. Some of my family back in Illinois are them and they are not feeling so good these days about things. Oh they will not admit it to the public, but you can detect it i their tone of voice. I think they are not so sure anymore of their, self professed, man-god.
That is just my insight on this and I might be just looking into the wishful thinking mirror again…but I sure do hope that once they figure out what kind of person this man really is, it might just open their eyes to things and then they will cry the blues for all times….I think the republicans know their time is numbered and they are trying ti make hay while it lasts.
Good article booman….keep doing what you are doing for you are the best of the best, in my opinion and I am so proud of you for doing this site.
We need to paste the following two labels on the Republicans:
Reckless
Dishonest
Then present ourselves positively with:
Responsible
Honest
Keep it simple and direct.
Interesting analysis. I would generally agree but I would stop short of deeming the 20% as stupid. They have mad a choice to remain uninformed. The information is there for all to evaluate and many choose to do so. Frustration with government is understandable but that does not excuse ignorance of national goings on and temds to undermine a democratic system.
But I would not underestimate the ability of Bushco to manufacture an “event” to bolster its aims and its numbers.
Bush’s numbers may be on the way to hitting bottom but imho not for the man. As a woman is recovery I know, just for me that everyones “bottom” is different but usually occurs when the ego is deflated and the addict is humbled in some way. Until I admitted utter defeat and stopped denying I had a problem I could not see how the wrongs I had committed, the pain I had caused others. GWB has hit his personal bottom.
I am so sorry folks…I meant to say that GWB HAS NOT hit his personal bottom.
I was about to respond to you saying, Bush has never hit bottom. There’s always been the cushion of daddy’s friends to bail him out and cover up for him. He’s currently surrounded by yes-men and women and has no idea how completely out of touch with reality he is. I’m not sure he’d even feel the thud if he got impeached and shipped off to the Hague to stand trial. Well, maybe, in a prison cell he might finally see himself as we do.
in trusting that a poll taken will be honestly answered. I know polling is a very sophisticated science; my work sometimes indirectly involves research by $multi-billion corporations, and believe me — they would not throw money at something if they were not confident in the results they got back.
When it comes to political polling; however, I think we have a different situation. Many of us are proud individuals, and do not like to admit to our mistakes, even to a stranger calling on the phone. As has been discussed at great length, I think political polling already suffers from a changing technology, whereby a large portion of the younger generation doesn’t even have land lines, and caller ID allows the rest of us to choose when we pick up the phone. I think both of those demographic groups tend Democratic, tend to be freer with their minds, and the changing of those minds. I think political polling is attempting to chart a very personal issue, in this case whether to support the POTUS as well as Bush, in a time of war. A much more emotional investment than say, Coke vs. Pepsi. That is why Cindy is so perfect, so compelling, and I believe ultimately, will be so successful. A grieving mother is as emotionally grabbing as supporting the POTUS at a time of war.
I also know that good polling companies can change the results by considering these and who knows what other factors and adjusting the raw totals to reflect these, but I don’t know how accurately. In other words, I am very open minded to the likelihood that exit polls were correct over the last three elections, but exit polls have a more passive audience (no caller ID or cell phone issues.)
The bottom line is, it is my belief that polls in 2005 are disproportionately reaching older, Republican voters, who would be hesitant to admit their mistake in voting for Bush (and by extension they would be saying they wished they had voted for that NE Liberal Kerry.) I do not believe that registered Republicans would support George W. Bush at 90% if there were a real election (rather than a poll), and if there were a real alternative (I phone banked for Kerry, but I know there are many who would never vote for him.) And, a certain percentage of people would tell someone on the phone they support Bush, but just stay at home on election day lest the neocon agenda destroy any more of America.
Yikes, long post. I think Republicans do not support Bush at 90% anymore, and I think there is a little further room for independents to drop support. The problems in Iraq, the indictments against not only this administration, but also Abramoff and DeLay and others, the correction in the housing bubble and all the pain that will cause — all of these have the probability of accomplishing both (dropping the 90% facade, and dropping independents.) It is up to the Democratic Party to overcome the overwhelming advantage in the RWCM to get our message out, in clear ways and as a clear alternative.
Is it possible that there are dueling realities within the administration? Last night I attempted to post to Recordkeeper’s Diary about how the administration is beginning to see reality in Iraq. Then my browser crashed and I gave up. Maybe the Pentagon has gotten real, but not Bush… he has been busy the last few weeks trying to clarify a message sent by Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and military leaders. The link is to a Common Dreams article about “War Messages That Don’t Quite Match”. The point is, Bush isn’t likely to come out of his imperial bubble anytime soon and I sincerely think that he’s delusional and addicted to that bubble. If the perfect storm does happen, Iraq’s factions at an impasse plus Rove and Libby indicted, could Cheney control Bush by himself? That is perhaps the situation to bring out the fact that the POTUS is delusional and incapable of honesty even to himself. I think you are right on the money, Booman… and I think that in the end, Bush himself will do as much as anyone to hasten the fall of the Republican empire.
I think the reason the numbers have been stuck for the last four months is the lack of a clear vision from the opposition. Even Dean yesterday said that a plan (exit strategy) was up to the President – because he has information no one else has, and he is, after all responsible.
Context is everything: the reference to “all options” re: Iran. Preceded by Sirocco’s diaries of two days earlier. Tying in the complete Bush record on nuclear policy to his policy speech was a golden opportunity. Opportunity lost. Not a peep about the larger policy by any opposition anywhere.
That recalcitrant 20% middle, and the rock-solid 40 can be moved without being bombastic. But we do need to make noise.
It’s an interesting analysis, Chris, and it contains much truth… but it also ignores much truth, at least in my estimation. I don’t mean to be curt here but I am trying to be succinct. Here goes.
[1] If I recall, in 2004 there were approximately 200 million eligible voters of whom roughly 60 million voted for Bush, roughly 60 million voted for Kerry and roughly 80 million did not vote at all. Since that split runs 30/30/40, it makes me wonder where you got the idea that
Rather than focusing on the 20 or 25 million people who wait until an election comes along, and then decide which party they support, why not focus on the 80 million people who might actually vote?
[2] While we’re on the topic of “unaligned” voters, I thought your description of them as
was mighty condescending, not to mention false. Surely there are also people in that group who are smart enough to realize that
is in many ways largely superficial.
Yes, there are differences, but major elements of both parties are profoundly corrupt. That is plainly visible, is it not? Last fall the most important issue for many people was the war. And the donkeys tried to beat the “war president” by claiming that they were “tougher on terror” than the elephants. How ridiculous! The people were turning against the war, and the donkeys turned against the people. And that’s just for starters.
Better yet, don’t get me started! Leave it at this: there are a ton of reasons why people can’t tell the difference between elephants and donkeys … and “stupidity” is only one of them.
Let me put this a different way. John Conyers is an exception. Maxine Waters is another. Cynthia McKinney is a third. These are Democrats I can support. More than that: these are Democrats I can get excited about. Why are there so few of them? Clearly there are plenty of people in this country who stand for what Democrats have traditionally stood for, and who are not afraid to stand up for what they believe, not afraid to call a lie a lie. Where are they? And why are they not prominent Democratic candidates?
[3] The figures I mentioned above rely on the “official” election results, which in fact are highly dubious. But hardly anybody wants to talk about that; they want to get on with “politics as usual”; they want to carry on doing what they have always done, as if selecting the most “electable” candidate, aligning him or her with the most “supportable” positions on all the “key issues” and packaging these positions in the best possible “frames” is the way to “win” an election. And that’s understandable because everyone wants to work in his or her comfort zone. But it’s irrational because it ignores the most basic fact about the American electoral system: your opponents are recording and counting the votes.
[4] Back to the main question here: Has Bush hit bottom? I don’t think so. I don’t think there is a bottom. I think his ratings will fall and fall and fall.
Huge numbers of Bush supporters voted for him without understanding his positions on key issues, and without any real knowledge of key facts. They thought Iraq had WMDs for example, and that our guys had actually found them. They thought Bush never would have invaded Iraq if Iraq had not had these weapons. Not all of them, but millions of people, Chris. They are now learning that they’ve been lied to — and they don’t like it.
His ratings on various aspects of his job are now approaching his IQ and in my view they will soon sail right on past it, as well as his shoe size [which are roughly equal anyhow]. All this even without even having the media on “our” side [whatever that means]. Why? More than ever, people are realizing that ranting online about the major media is not going to cut it. We have to do their jobs for them. And we’re doing it. Click my sig for a fun and easy way to help.
I’m with you and the Dean philosophy on this.
We know the Democratic party has been dysfunctional for at least a generation. We also know that the Republican party has become radical at the same time.
Therefore it stands to reason that the total voter market the two parties currently command must be at least a little unrepresentative of the market that could be drawn if at least one of them began offering a political product that was more appealing.
…so perhaps he won’t listen to me.
But I have a number of problems with his analysis here.
First, we aren’t a 40-40-20 country. We’re much more like a 20-20-10-50 country. Where 20% either love the GOP or hate the Dems so much that they’ll always go out and vote GOP, another 20% either love the Dems or hate the GOP so much that they’ll always vote Democratic, 10% are “swing voters” who might go either way, and 50% or so pretty predictably stay home.
I’m actually not sure where those of us who vote and work for minor parties fit into this picture. However, although I’m an inveterate voter, I identify a lot more strongly with the 50% who stay at home than the 10% who swing. Like most people who post on this site, I simply cannot imagine voting for this Republican Party. But I also have a hard time imagining voting for the Democrats as presently constituted.
And here’s the problem Democrats face: like it or not, this isn’t a zero sum game. Plummeting numbers for the Republicans do not automatically translate into Democratic votes, or even additional swing voters. People can simply stay home. Or they can vote for independent or third party candidates (as Perot voters in ’92 and ’96, and Nader voters in ’00 proved). The Democratic Party simply doesn’t automatically receive the votes of those who are turned off by Republicans. The more Democrats rely on the logic of ABB, or its generalized offshoot ABGOP, the more this will be a problem.
Indeed, I think ABGOP has become a particular political-psychological problem for truly progressive Democrats, who, for very good reasons, are very scared by the GOP, but who’ve actually managed to get very little traction within their own party. One of the many reasons I left the Democratic Party in the late 1990s was that saw absolutely no desire on the part of progressives within it to work to take the party back from corporate interests. The obsession with the GOP is the flip side of progressive Democrats’ refusal to fight for the soul of their own party.
I’ll listen to you.
Third parties have their place in American politics.
However, on the Presidential level, they are spoilers. They gain power when one of the parties, or both, stray too far in some direction, and they lose power when the two biggies reach equilibrium.
But on election day, there are never more than two candidates with a chance to win, and failing to pick between them can do no more than send a message.
If you can’t decide who is better: Nixon or McGovern, Dukakis or Bush, Clinton or Dole, then you just don’t understand policy.
The more progressive vote Green, the better for the GOP. The more conservatives that vote libertarian the better for the Dems. It is really that simple. If every Green voter were a voter that would otherwise stay home, it might help Dems down the ticket, without hurting the Presidential candidate. But that is not the case.
In particular, I don’t think that you can build lasting third party movements from the top down. Success needs to come first from local offices. The focus needs to be on races one can win. And, for the moment at least, that does not include the presidency.
However, I do have some disagreements, even on the presidential front…
The electorate, altho sometimes it sure seems so, can’t be divided into a voting camp and a stupid camp…Altho it seems like it sometimes, people aren’t stupid. I found this out by getting out into our area and Talking to people. We use an issue survey and results are (so far) surprising. There are a very few folks who won;t talk to us but that puts them in a knee jerk camp. People aren;t stupid, they may be manipulated by getting very little or slanted news, they may be brainwashed, but they aren;t stupid.
It does take a sharp, on target message delivered with a real person approach. As in say, Howard Dean or Brian Schweitzer but, given the chance, people are not stupid. What is important is for us to get out and talk with people. More than once, over time it makes the difference. Yes, I too wonder how people can be so…$%$^& but, person to person is hte way to go… Off to the Cindy vigil đŸ™‚
is really a definition of ignorant.
It should be impossible to change a voter’s mind with 30-second ad blitzes. Every voter should know the basic differences between the parties, and they should vote for the party that better represents their values and interests. Unless the parties nominate someone of questionable sanity, the vote should never be about the candidate, but about the party they represent, and the program they are running on.
Kerry vs. Bush should have been decided in everyone’s mind by the end of the debates. But many were swayed at the last moment. This is the ignorant bloc, that decides close elections.
Endless amounts of ink and electrons are spille debating how to sway this ignorant bloc. Do they like windsurfing, goose hunting, or clearing brush, etc.
It’s a joke. And we need to stop playing this game for their votes and build our base.
no truer words were ever spoken, there young man!!!!!!
Turnout in the 2004 Presidential election was just under 60%, which means that Bush’s mandate was 30%.
The drop in turnout since 1960 has disproportionately favored Republican candidates.
Anecdotally, when I run across non-voters, I ask who they’d favor if they voted. More often than not, they say they’d be, on the whole, Democratic voters.
I also ask why they don’t vote. The answer is almost always something like, “It’s rigged. What’s the point?”
Given that my vote is tallied by a PC coded by Republicans, using closed source code unavailable for audit by my elections representatives, I have no compelling defense about honest elections.
I vote, always against Republicans, occasionally against a GOP-lite Democrat, too. Pity the top of the ticket is dominated by the DLC.