fuzzy ruminations from Liberal Street Fighter
I read that Arthur C. Clarke quote many years ago, in a childhood enthralled by what Harlan Ellison convinced me to call speculative fiction. Books, movies, comic books — the possibilities of science seemed endless. OMNI magazine and Scientific American and sections of the Encyclopedia were my church. Wanting to touch that “magic”, that enlightenment’s stepchild of alchemy, was what led me to take so many science and math classes, to declare a physics major as an undergrad. As I learned more, I found the nuts-and-bolts nature of the sciences to be a bit of a disappointment. It was too hard to see the magic. I have a mind and psyche ill-suited for the single-minded pursuit of narrowly focused questions. I added a second major in philosophy, but that field too requires a rigor that my restlessness has a hard time maintaining.
This childhood fascination continues, though, and it serves me well when I can’t stare into the black rays of the dark sun that is politics anymore, and I find my interest in science, in “magic”, provides a welcome break from real disasters and clueless Democrats and venal Republicans.
I am thinking about these questions anew today after flitting about on the ‘net this morning between work, after reading an interesting profile of David Cronenberg in the New York Times and a review of ‘The Universe in a Single Atom’: Reason and Faith also in the New York Times.
Cronenberg is quoted in the profile:
“But I don’t really think of anything as inappropriate. What’s boring, what’s depressing, is if they only send you horror films. Or, in fact, they think you’ll like something, and it turns out to be, let’s say, ‘Constantine’ – devil stuff, demon stuff. I don’t do demons. I’m an atheist, and so I have a philosophical problem with demonology and supporting the mythology of Satan, which involves God and heaven and hell and all that stuff. I’m not just a nonbeliever, I’m an antibeliever – I think it’s a destructive philosophy. But the people who send this material out, all they know is that you’ve done some stuff that they think is supernatural, which is actually not something I do either. I was asked to do ‘Dark Water,’ and it was a nice script, but the reason I didn’t want to do it was the ghost thing. The movie posits that ghosts do exist. That suggests that there is some kind of afterlife. I’m philosophically opposed to that view. On the other hand, I can say, for example, that I am haunted by my parents. And I can hear their voices in my head. To explore that kind of haunting – that I can do. That’s interesting to me.”
I agree with Mr. Cronenberg, to a large part, except I LOVE stories of demons and ghosts and gods and doomed champions. I often have a hard time watching some of his more challenging movies because there is NO remove between his characters’ human physicality, and the brutal truth that we are all just fragile bags of fluid. I prefer the poetry, the metaphors of myth, religion and superstition. Unlike believers, I think of those remnants of old human belief systems as comforting, as a lens for us to reflect on ourselves.
Magic, alchemy, kabala, science: all depend on the proper use of language, with words carefully chosen and placed to produce a given response or understanding. I think that is the reason it’s called “casting a spell”, but I’m too lazy to look up the etymology.
Ghost, demon, angel and god(s) are words to descibe a manifestation of grief, or fear, or hope, or our own self-defeating anger or disgust or uplifting joy. Six Feet Under used their metaphoric ghosts very effectively, as the dead character’s words and observations changed depending on the living characters mental states, inner conflicts. I find them helpful, where Cronenberg has perhaps a stronger stomach than me, better able to look right at the dangerous truths of human life. His movies, however, funnel that unvarnished view into a kind of magic, and we’re all better for it.
The Dalai Lama’s views, as presented in the book review, are a welcome change from the know-nothing blather we hear out of religious “leaders” in the loudest parts of the American Taliban:
this book offers something wiser: a compassionate and clearheaded account by a religious leader who not only respects science but, for the most part, embraces it. “If scientific analysis were conclusively to demonstrate certain claims in Buddhism to be false, then we must accept the findings of science and abandon those claims,” he writes. No one who wants to understand the world “can ignore the basic insights of theories as key as evolution, relativity and quantum mechanics.”
How refreshing. I am, of course, at least a little aware of some of the history of Buddhist sects that could be quite brutal to other beliefs, other people, but the Dalai Lama was impressed at a young age by science and technology and has tried hard to promote scientific understanding of “mystical” experiences like Buddhist meditation.
Once installed in Lhasa, the new Dalai Lama happened upon another of his forerunner’s possessions, a collapsible brass telescope. When he focused it one evening on what Tibetans call “the rabbit on the moon,” he saw that it consisted of shadows cast by craters. Although he knew nothing yet about astronomy, he inferred that the moon, like the earth, must be lighted by the sun. He had experienced the thrill of discovery.
Before long he was dismantling and repairing clocks and watches and tinkering with car engines and an old movie projector. As he grew older and traveled the world, he was as keen to meet with scientists and philosophers – David Bohm, Carl von Weizsäcker, Karl Popper – as with religious and political leaders. More recently his “Mind and Life” conferences have brought physicists, cosmologists, biologists and psychologists to Dharamsala, India, where he now lives in exile from the Chinese occupation of Tibet. He and his guests discuss things like the neuroscientific basis of Buddhist meditation and the similarities between Eastern concepts like the “philosophy of emptiness” and modern field theory. In “The Universe in a Single Atom” he tells how he walked the mountains around his home trying to persuade hermits to contribute to scientific understanding by meditating with electrodes on their heads.
But when it comes to questions about life and its origins, this would-be man of science begins to waver. Though he professes to accept evolutionary theory, he recoils at one of its most basic tenets: that the mutations that provide the raw material for natural selection occur at random. Look deeply enough, he suggests, and the randomness will turn out to be complexity in disguise – “hidden causality,” the Buddha’s smile. There you have it, Eastern religion’s version of intelligent design. He also opposes physical explanations for consciousness, invoking instead the existence of some kind of irreducible mind stuff, an idea rejected long ago by mainstream science. Some members of the Society for Neuroscience are understandably uneasy that he has been invited to give a lecture at their annual meeting this November. In a petition, they protested that his topic, the science of meditation, is known for “hyperbolic claims, limited research and compromised scientific rigor.”
I don’t hold that against His Holiness, because I recognize that need for the metaphor, for the mystery. The universe is so vast, and the divide that separates “here” from “after” is daunting. The peculiar mobius-strip that we call “consciousness” or “self” resists measurement, at least so far. I’ve dealt with it by sticking to stories, to myth and fiction and light-and-dark images on various screens. I have decided that what comes after is behind an asymptote that the curve of my life can’t touch until I reach the null point of death. Cronenberg throws his examinations of life up for all of us to see, perhaps to help us all face our limitations, our mortality. Perhaps just for himself. The Dalai Lama tries to tie the comforting metaphors of his faith with the modern world of science, of techonolgy, to show us that we can live whole lives.
I’m glad for both of their efforts, and only wish that these kinds of explorations were more welcome in our increasingly benighted society.
I would defend the liberty of consenting adult creationists to practice whatever intellectual perversions they like in the privacy of their own homes, but it is also necessary to protect the young and innocent. – Arthur C. Clarke
As both a scientist and a sometime fantasy writer, I hit this kind of internal conflict pretty often in my own life. Mrs. Devilstower happens to be a science teacher, who loves horror films and ghost stories.
Where you get your kicks, and where you work your grey matter, are not always the same.
For that matter, we’re both evolution-big bang-abiogenesis believing scientists, and also Sunday School teaching Christians. Sometimes, you just have to believe two impossible things at the same time and let it go.
the boundary of the two impulses is often the source of great creativity.
You state both my essential philosophy and the source of it quite well.
The Reserve unit I spent 15 years in had a lot of NASA engineers, and every one of them got into engineering because they started reading science fiction when young.
For me it was Isaac Asimov and John Campbell’s Astounding (now Analog) Science Fiction.
It was when Christian fundamentalists told me that I had to take the Virgin Birth, the Resurrection, and the miracles seriously as equivalent to science that I left organized religion, and only recently upon reading Karen Armstrong’s “The Battle for God: A history of Fundamentalism” and Victor E. Frankl’s “Man’s Search for Ultimate Meaning” that I have begun to understand the purpose of religion (as opposed to organized religion which has the main purpose of justifying the hierarchy required to run a city with the greater privileges given to the aristocrats and the wealthy.)
I may go back and reread Joseph Campbell if I get time. [But I’d rather read Fritz Leiber’s “Gray Mouser” stories.]
I frankly think the fundamentalists create Atheists as much as they create “religious believers.”
I wonder if Americans don’t read science fiction as children any more because they are too scheduled and the parents don’t see science fiction as worthy of the schedule? That might partially explain why so few Americans get into information science in college. That and knowledge of the fact that Americans in information science all peak out at about age 40 when the employers prefer to hire cheaper foreign new graduates who know the latest technology.
the fundies in my childhood definitely soured me on religion, that’s for damned sure.
Lieber’s good, but my fave series is Moorcock’s Eternal Champion cycle, though there are still volumes I haven’t gotten to yet.
Sri Lanka, I love his stuff, I read Childhood’s End and the Foundation Trilogy for the first times when I was 12, and have always loved both his and Asimov’s stuff —
When I was 24, having just finished a master’s in English, full of postmodernist thought and deconstruction, which I thought very cool and undescribably silly at the same time, I was working at Mountain Lake (the resort where Drity dancing was filmed in VA) as a waitress and read “The Dancing Wu Li Masters” — I can’t remember exactly why, but I think it was because some guitar hero guy who I occasionally shared a friendly fuck with had it on his bookshelf — I got really into quantuum physics…
When I look back on it now, I realize that when I leave by brain idle, I become very dangerous!
lol
was the eastern philosphy/western science blending book that I first got my hands on.
I learned humanism from science fiction, which might seem funny considering my predialection for the darker, gothic, dystopic stuff.
I’m not a religious person. I look at practicing as kind of a waste of time (though I would certainly not tell others they shouldn’t), but I do enjoy religious thought, myth and practice. I love walking into a church or temple, b/c you can feel the weight of the devotion that went into building it, worshiping in it. It’s the PEOPLE who have imbued it w/ that frisson of a presence that one feels in such places … IMHO, anyway.
Faith, to me, is a way of bridging that chasm between experience and … what you can’t directly experience, at least in anyway that you can realistically share it. The power in science was reinforced for me when I met students from all over the world who had trouble talking w/ each other, EXCEPT when the language was math. So much power there.
Settling for some creed, some religion or superstition, seems sad to me, limiting. I love the story from Buddhism, recounted in the manifesto for “Killing the Buddha”:
Give me the mystery. This leads, of course, to humanism, to a need to make sure everyone is free to develop their lives, their dreams. If we block anybody’s freedom, who knows how many great teachers have been lost, how many artists, lovers, poets, painters, engineers, diagnosticians.
When will we really surrender to freedom?
Have you ever listened to a band called Shreikback? Dunno if they’re even around, alive, etc. anymore but they had a great song called “Gunning for the Buddha”….
I wish that I could sit down and have about 7 beers with you and talk this all through — you intrigue me intensely and I admire your ability to write — sometimes I am at a loss in this medium to really capture my reactions/reponses to what people communicate to me. At this point all I can say, is you are a person I would like to be around in daily life and even though we are separated by distance, I feel a connection that is, well, a connection.
Hope that wasn’t too weird.
I’m flattered, thank you.
I meet so many interesting people “here”, including you. I learn a lot, and the feedback has helped me to find my “voice” as a writer, though I’ve still got work to do. Blogging has been like the best writing class I could have ever taken. It would be cool to meet people, but I tend to be kind of reclusive, and I can’t afford to travel much. Before it turned ugly, I had been hoping that the Kosvention was going to be in Chicago (I couldn’t afford to go to Vegas, and I’ve long since vowed never to set foot in that city) so I could meet some folks I liked. Sadly, that’s not gonna happen now.
Anyway, in some ways one of the best things about blogging is this post-modern version of “pen pals”, a more public version of the old Victorian tradition of writing letters to distant people.
As for Shriekback, I hadn’t thought of them in years! “Oil & Gold” was a very cool record. I never did get to hear their first two records all the way through.
Life is funny, and someday we just may have that beer. I’m always ready for wonderful suprises.
Right now, I put my thoughts together enough to actually hold up my end of an interesting conversation, but I think my head should caml down a bit after we get through this bankruptcy — I am having trouble getting ahold of the lawyer (called and emailed and called yesterday) and I am getting antsy….
wht I mean!! That should be I CANNOT put my thoughts together….
I need to do that too, but had to choose school over pulling the money together to pay for a lawyer, and now I’m pretty much out of time. Gonna see if I can hook up w/ a lawyer next week to get the ball rolling. Two years of un/underemployment left me in a big hole.
A lot of people are going to be in this boat.
The only way we are affording this right now is by using the university legal services — the lawyer is free, all we have to pay for is the $209 filing fee…
My mom used a pro bono, “community legal service” lawyer when she filed last year…there might be something like this where you live?
Worst case scenario, you can find a lawyer who will tkae a payment plan kind of set up…but if you are going to do it, get going, especially if you think you won’t pass the means test that goes into affect on 10/17.
Let me know if I can help you in any way, we’ve been working on it for about a month now and I have learned a LOT!
thanks for the help. I’m a terrible procrastinator. The cut-off under the new rules is the median income for the state, right?
Yes, it is the median income of the state, but the suck ass thing is that you have to count STUDENT LOANS as income, so that makes it dicey…and that is why WE have to file right away, even though I am unemployes.
I hear you on the procrastination thing — I’m horrible about it too!
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Do you have anything that could be considered an asset? Money market funds, CDs, etc.? Because the income means test is just one part of it — they look at absolutely everything.
Any retirement money you have socked away is safe (up to a million dollars, even under the new rules — ain’t THAT a bitch? If I had a million in a retirement account, I wouldn’t NEED to file, but I would still be able to).
old student loans that I’m paying on … no assets. Well, maybe $40 in savings LOL …
oh, and, incase you didn’t know, although you have to count any student loans that you RECEIVE as income, short of the loanee being dead, there is really no way to get rid of the student loan debt through bankruptcy….
Savings? Savings? What’s that you say? The word sounds familiar but I’m not sure I can remember what it means!
;:)
oh, I knew you couldn’t escape them. I was a Freshman or Sophomore when that fucking bastard Reagan got rid of them.
So loans I got in the ’80s count as income now?
don’t — I am in still in school, so I have “income” right now, through loans, both for this year and added to last years tax return totals…
If you haven’t taken out any recently, they’ll pretty much be a non-issue int he bankruptcy (except as part of your monthly expenses tally).
oh, I’m doing the certificate thing. Paralegal, believe it or not. Want to find an area to work in that involves mainly research and writing, maybe intellectual property, if I can find something. After 20+ years of customer service, I want as little to do w/ an increasingly abusive public as possible. About 8 months to finish. Two semesters.
If I had to do it over again, I think I would have gone a waaay different route than the Ph.D. — it is taking far too long (having two kids in the midst of it didn’t help much) and at this point, even though all of the data is collected and a few chapters witten, I just am having a very hard time mustering enthusiasm for finishing the dissertation. However, since I have succeeded in bankrupting my family, I MUST…and I will, it’s just that freaking procrastination thing writ extremely large!
yike!
The NYTimes reviewer is imposing his own narrow standards on the Dalai Lama’s intuitions and exploratory statements. First of all, he is not the Pope of Buddhism: he is talking about his personal intuitions and beliefs. More importantly, the Dalai Lama has been holding dialogues with western scientists for more than a decade; there are nine books out there of those Mind and Life dialogues. (In fact, the biographical information in the review sounds like it came from Daniel Goleman’s essay in one of them.) Among the scientists involved are eminent researchers in neurobiology and quantum physics. There’s also a website:http://www.mindandlife.org.
As for a Buddhist version of intelligent design, it’s yet another byproduct of this either/or, for us or against us mode of dealing with evolution. The fundamentalist Christian-approved intelligent design theory posits or implies a supreme being as designer. Buddhism doesn’t have that. I don’t know the exact context of the remark the reviewer quotes, but I have read the dialogues in physics, and there’s speculation among scientists about the relation of mind and matter at the quantum level, emergent properties and self-organizing systems. Speculating about evolution in that context is simply responsible, in my view. Even some evolutionary biologists believe Darwin relies too much on mutations. (He didn’t know about DNA for one thing.)
Buddhists have explored places from the inside that phyicists and psychologists are just beginning to explore from the outside. I for one don’t see the possibilities as limited to a either monotheism–a Cosmic King—or atheistic denial of anything transcending current human understanding.
Neither, by the way, does science fiction.
that’s true. I took the review as more of a leaping off point … it got me thinking, I guess. Thanks for setting those points straight.
I keep meaning to pick up those dialogues, but I never get to it.