[Cross-posted from The Bulldog Manifesto]
The U.S. economy faces utter collapse if OPEC and other oil-producing countries begin pricing their oil in euros rather than dollars. When Iraq tried to switch to euros in 2000, they were attacked by the USA soon thereafter.
Recently, Business Week reported that oil producer, Venezuela, “has moved its central bank foreign reserves out of U.S. banks, liquidated its investments in U.S. Treasury securities and placed the funds in Europe.”
The importance of this news should not be underestimated.
Dollar Hegemony
Generally speaking, international trade has become a process in which the U.S. produces dollars and the rest of the world produces goods and/or services that dollars can buy. Nations trade to capture needed dollars to service dollar-denominated foreign debts and to amass dollar reserves in order to sustain the exchange value of their domestic currencies. As it currently stands, if a country wants to prevent damage to its currency, that nation’s central banks must acquire and hold dollar reserves in amounts corresponding to their own currencies in circulation. Fortunately for the U.S., this system (in place since WWII) creates a built-in support for a strong dollar that in turn forces the world’s central banks to acquire and hold even more dollar reserves, making the dollar stronger still.
This phenomenon, known as “dollar hegemony,” is created by the geopolitically constructed peculiarity that critical commodities, such as oil, are denominated in dollars. And because oil is priced in “dollars” for the most part, everyone accepts dollars as the currency of choice.
The strength of the dollar since 1945 is a result, for the most part, of the dollar being the international reserve currency for global oil transactions (i.e., “petro-dollar”). As a result of the dollar being the standard denomination for oil transactions, the U.S. prints hundreds of billions of these fiat petro-dollars, which are then used by nation states to purchase oil from the oil producing nations. These petro-dollars are subsequently recycled from the oil producing countries back into the U.S. via Treasury Bills or other dollar-denominated assets such as U.S. stocks, real estate, etc.
Because of this system, dollar reserves must be invested in U.S. assets which produces a capital accounts surplus for the U.S. economy. Luckily for the United States, the U.S. capital account surplus finances the U.S. trade deficit to a certain extent. [But if the capital account surplus should diminish (as countries shift to euros rather than dollars) and the U.S. trade deficit continues to grow even wider, the American economy will rupture quickly.]
Since the U.S. prints the petro-dollars, for all intents and purposes, the U.S. controls the flow of oil. When oil is denominated in dollars as the only fiat currency for trading in oil, an argument can be made that the U.S. essentially owns the world’s oil for free.
So what happens if the oil producing nations decide to suddenly begin trading oil on the euro standard? Without being dramatic, the United States would go into economic ruin. Oil-consuming nations would be forced to flush dollars out of their central bank reserves and replace them with euros. The dollar would crash in value and the consequences would be similar to the types of currency collapses we have seen in Mexico, Argentina, etc. Foreign investments would pour out of the U.S. securities markets. Similar to the 1930’s, the current account deficit would become unserviceable, the budget deficit would go into default, many banks would collapse overnight.
And that’s just what would happen in this country. America’s economic crash would result in the economic crash of many other nations. Most notably– Japan.
We all know what happened to the last major oil producing country that shifted from dollars to euros. We also know what might happen to other major oil producing countries if they shift to euros.
As we have discussed at The Bulldog Manifesto (here and here), history is filled with examples where the United States has used military force to protect it’s economic interests.
And now that Venezuela is shifting, what will happen to them?
Any economists out there wish to respond to this?
I know little but recall seeing many similar warnings on e-mail lists, so I sent out the link to your diary to those who may know enough to respond.
I discussed this in this diary a few days ago. I won’t write more tonight as it is late for me, but I’ll see what I can provide tomorrow.
I am skeptical of a switch by one country, however big a producer, as all the oil-related financial markets are in dollars today – thus all the price references for trade, for risk coverage, hedging and arbitrage.
Actually Iraq did switch to the Euro on November 1, 2000, and that very likely sealed Saddam’s fate.
freeze Venezuelan assets and/or turn them over to US when ordered to do so.
In my opinion, it is a pretty good bet. I don’t mean to suggest that any European country would disobey US orders, however, many countries there do have a very strong sense of sovereignty, and support for US policies is much “softer” among the populations of Europe than in US.
Add to that that Europeans tend to revere their governments somewhat less than Americans do theirs, and the changing demographics there, and Chavez’ strategy might not only buy Venezuela’s money a bit more time, but could very well divert US attention and official resources to bringing a red itchy boil to a head.
And, he can also move them again, to China 😉
The real scary thing about the scenario is the part where the dollar collapses. The Federal Reserve is raising rates to prop up the dollar as we speak. A stronger dollar less inflation. Our trade and federal deficits are killing us.
If the dollar collapses and there is inflation and economic dislocation I don’t put anything past the present group of lunatics in the whitehouse. But the American people would have to be a willing accomplice just as we were the first time. A wounded American psyche longed for blood after 9/11. When inflation, energy costs and an economic depression test our mettle how will we act then? Will we say stop if another demagogue yells for Arab heads to roll? Pointing blame at an external source. Beating the nationalist drums. If it happens again we will have to take a long look in the mirror. We better not fail ourselves.
Perhaps Chavez will be found to have killed 400,000 of his own people, his rape rooms and torutre centers will be revealed. His alliance with Al Queda and his help in financing 911 will be brought out. His plans to acquire nuclear weapons will be revealed.
Chavez is evil, he hates freedom. He’s a danger to his neighbors and he hates America.
I think we need to send our brave yourng men and woman to Venezuela to stop this madman from endagering our interests, he’s a danger to the world.
Once there our brave fighting soldiers can set up their own rape and torture rooms and kill suspected insurgents who refuse to recognize the legitmately elected government that America has allowed the Venezuelazoids to elect. Can you imagine the day when Venezuela can live under Freedom?
We’d better start making some room at Gitmo.
After 2 failed US engineered coup d’etats, Saddam’s “intransigence,” or more aptly described as Neocon Saddamlust, saved Chavez’s bacon. Now that we are set to put a single bullet in Saddam’s head, our ruling elites can once again turn their attention to the Hugo Bolivar “threat.”
One aspect of Robertson’s calculated kill Chavez now “rant,” which did not garner much attention was his mention in the same remarks about possible Qaida camps in Ven. A trial balloon… Let’s test the waters and see if anyone in the media or general populace balks at the laughable idea of Qaida in Ven. Robertson served here as a surrogate for Bushco. The big dogs are clearly gunning for Hugo.
Chavez has used several of his 9 lives already, let’s see if he can keep it up.
John Perkins, in his book “Confessions of an Economic Hitman,” nicely details the Chavez’ “problem” and the spectre of a move away from petro dollars.
Chavez has used several of his 9 lives already, let’s see if he can keep it up.
Chavez seems to be skating on some increasingly thin ice. The neocons would certainly kill him over this, as our oil situation looks increasingly desperate.
I wonder why he made this move now? Not that it’s not his right as a duly elected leader of a sovereign nation, but I just wonder about the timing? I think our “leaders” are just crazy enough to try to take him out b/c we can’t afford a 3rd war.
They can afford all the wars they want. Cheney is not going to be digging into his savings to pay for them, that will be your job. And when your savings are exhausted, and you have no more sons or daughters suitable for use as expendable assets, you can go park yourself on a highway and slow-roast and they can borrow more money from China.
Or simply use the gunmen they have to expropriate resources from countries that still have resources.
In any event, murdering Chavez would not prevent the war, only flip the activation switch. I don’t think mainstream US public has an accurate fix on the importance of Chavez throughout the Latin American public…
Oh no. I don’t dispute that AT ALL.
My only question is to timing: Why change to euros now instead of this year or last year or six months ago? I’m not economist nor am I an expert on Venezuelan economy and oil. And again, I’m not saying he’s not w/in his rights. I’m just interested in the thinking behind the decision, how it will affect the country and how it will affect him, too, since this govt clearly would like to be rid of him. That’s all.
It’s somewhere up closer to the top of the thread.
Cliff Notes version in case it’s not findable, he moved it to prevent US from freezing and seizing, and he moved it to Europe because there is the best chance for a fight if US orders Europe to freeze & seize if Europe says no, the fight diverts resources, and Chavez moves it from Europe to China while Europe names its price.
I had the response page open for probably the last two hrs b/c I had to get some work done and was just able to complete my response to you. Sorry ’bout that. Lemme take a look…
The timing might seem strange, but if you’ve been following Venezuelan politics (not that I have been very closely), the pressure on them by this administration has been pretty much constant. Certainly, looking at what kind of challenge the American Government can mount against this move, they are restrained by the need to keep things “smooth” in anticipation of upcoming mid-terms, There will probably also be an element of catching the Fed flat-footed, as Mr. Greenspan’s tenure is coming to a close; in fact, not only the Fed, but the House and Senate Committees and the Admin will likely have a lot more important things distracting them. A year ago, Ven. had a bit of breathing room knowing that militarily, the US was pretty busy; but now, the US is no-less busy militarily, and things are going to be getting complicated economically.
I’m sure there are more important reasons behind them making this move, but those are a couple of considerations that come to my mind, in answer to your question.
Thanks.
Just to clarify, I don’t think the timing is strange at all…just wanted some insight b/c I haven’t been following as closely (except the cuckoo-coup event a few years ago where “the people had spoken”) and the finer points of oil economics are beyond my ken. Those are the only reasons I asked, not because I was trying to challenge anyone! :<)
Of course. It’s a great question. And, I’m hoping that others have more to add than my meagre musings. I was trying to figure out how this might play into oil economics, as well as the currency situation (esp. China’s limited-float plan), but I’m so uneducated in that area, that thinking about it only produced a head-ache, not any brilliant theories as I had hoped.
Chavez may be doing America a HUGE favor. Shining even more light on our corrupt government. Chavez has balls, something boy bush is missing. Chavez has more entegrity than our spineless, leader as well. Why is boy bush still at the helm ?????
This diary is a load of crap. Veneuela postulated as being economically central in the world and oil economy is funny. You don’t switch currencies like you do underwear, all kinds of inter-related markets HAVE to have the same value denominators (i.e., currency), it’s too complicated with fluctuating excange rates otherwise. This a sophmoric diary.
Relax fella, and please re-read the diary. Your comment (load of crap) is way off base. The diarist did not postulate that Venezuela is “economically central in the world and oil economy.”
He said Venezuela’s move may be a harbinger of other OPEC member moves away from the dollar.
It’s not off base, it’s still a load of crap. These are raw materials suppliers, they are inherently tied to the market since they have no other outlets. Venezuela and the other OPEC countries have no storage of national wealth. Only the Saudis MIGHT have enough off-account wealth storage to have any such effect. All such currency switching countries would be in the position of having to reinvent the wheel as to oil markets, oil futures/securities financing, and have to deal with a much smaller, less elastic currency pool.
I’m glad you’re starting to provide some of your opinion on the subject in this second post of yours. But, really, I couldn’t let the “crappy crap crap” go without a warning. Saying someone else is wrong does not make you right. Making a sensible point on a similar topic to the original poster does not make the original poster automatically wrong.
It seems like you’ve got a bit of wits when it comes to economics. So, why don’t you explain in more detail your opinion about whether / how significant the FT article is? Why not share your insight about the OPEC members’ desire for currency elasticity and your take on their grumblings since the gold standard was obliterated? What do you think Euro-ization in Iraq had to do with the Bush administration’s formation of foreign policy?
I’d love to hear your opinion on any one of these topics. I don’t feel like hearing you call everyone else’s opinions crap.
neoconnedagain’s “off-base.” I think s/he is referring to your tone, which is hostile and belittling, not to the facts of how important Chavez’s move is.
If you want to disagree with the diarist’s conclusions, please do so in a civil way. Jerome has posted diaries both at dKos (link above in his comment) and also at EuroTrib.
Please do not attack diarists with terms such as “load of crap” and “sophmoric.” It adds nothing to our understanding of this issue, all it adds is bad feeling. Jerome is exceptionally well-informed on these issues, and disagrees with the diarist in some respects, though he still finds Chavez’s move significant and explains why. Please read his diaries, the comments, and his responses to the comments on the subject and use them as a model for how this discussion should proceed. I.e. respectfully.
Pardon my saxon-ness.
I suppose you don’t think reinventing the wheel in the form of an Iranian Bourse is not likely…or quite possibly you’ve not heard about this?
http://www.energybulletin.net/7707.html
http://www.energybulletin.net/2913.html
At the risk of pedantry, the plural of Euro is Euro, not Euros.