by Larry C. Johnson (bio below)
If you’ve paid attention to the right wing flapping about the so-called “war on Christmas” (i.e., the apparent plot of politicians and merchants to substitute the phrase “Happy Holidays” for “Christmas”) you are getting an inkling of the future of Iraq.
With the likes of Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity railing against those who don’t want to bow the knee to Jesus, we are getting a taste of what life in the new Iraq will be like.
The religious extremists in our country, who insist that there is no compromise when it comes to Jesus, capture perfectly the mentality of the folks who are poised to take the reins of power in Baghdad. Note, even some of the President’s most stalwart supporters among evangelical Christians have made quite a show of throwing away the “Holiday” card sent by the White House. Welcome to the American Taliban.
Next week’s elections in Iraq will come off successfully in those parts inhabited by a majority of Shia and Kurds. Even in the Sunni heartland the vote will take place, but Shias will receive a disproportionate share of the vote. Following the December 15 election the Shia will consolidate their power in Iraq. Don’t be surprised if the Shia purge the Defense Ministry of Sunni influence as one of their first acts.
More importantly, the Shia will establish an Islamic state. They are not inclined to accept a secular state. They will rule according to their interpretation of the Quran. The pressure President Bush confronts from his supporters to toe the line in honoring and worshipping Jesus is miniscule compared to what awaits the new Iraqi leaders, who will be expected to adhere to the strictest tenets of Islam. One nettlesome issue is that the Sunnis have a different view of what constitutes appropriate religious observance. And, from the Shia perspective, the Sunnis are heretics. This religious tension will drive the future of Iraq over the next several years and the results will be deterimental to the United States.
We also should not be surprised when the Shia militia turn their full fury on Sunni enclaves. They are going to consolidate their control with us or without us. The ultimate irony here is that we are enabling the Shia, who are heavily backed by Iran, to consolidate their power in contrast to our policy of the previous 20 years, when we backed Saddam to contain the spread of the Islamic extremism supported and spread by Tehran. We are the midwife of a new Shia state. You’re doing a heck of a job Bushie.
……………………………………………………..
Larry C. Johnson is CEO and co-founder of BERG Associates, LLC, an international business-consulting firm that helps corporations and governments manage threats posed by terrorism and money laundering. Mr. Johnson, who worked previously with the Central Intelligence Agency and U.S. State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism (as a Deputy Director), is a recognized expert in the fields of terrorism, aviation security, crisis and risk management. Mr. Johnson has analyzed terrorist incidents for a variety of media including the Jim Lehrer News Hour, National Public Radio, ABC’s Nightline, NBC’s Today Show, the New York Times, CNN, Fox News, and the BBC. Mr. Johnson has authored several articles for publications, including Security Management Magazine, the New York Times, and The Los Angeles Times. He has lectured on terrorism and aviation security around the world. Further bio details.
Personal Blog: No Quarter || Bio
Recommended Book List || More BoomanTribune Posts
I was pondering something similar this morning upon hearing about Haster’s lighting of the Capitol CHRISTMAS tree last night.*
The same idiots who are running around talking about how their 85% majority is oppressed by a 15% minority are the same people who are going to be screaming their heads off when Iraq imposes shariah. Guess it’s ok as long as “christians” are doing it….
*It used to be the Holiday tree, but leave it to Hastert to run toward any opportunity to suck up to the right wing wackos.
I predicted this a year ago that the US would switch sides in Iraq and support the insurgents they are now fighting because they don’t want Ir aq to become an Islamic State which it will do.
SO FUCKING WHAT? IT”S NONE OF OUR BUSINESS. WE CREATED THEM. LET”S NOT FUCK IT UP WORSE BY TRYING TO DESTROY WHAT WE CREATED. WE ARE INCOMPETENT. WE MUST LEAVE. DR. FRANKENSTEIN HAS CREATED A MONSTER. HE HAS TO GIVE UP HIS PRACTICE AND GO HOME. STAYING WILL PRODUCE MORE MONSTERS.
Leave Iraq alone.
THe Iraqis as a Islamic State are not going to be a harbor for terrorists like Afghanistan. They are going to be fighting a civil war with the Sunnis. America doesn’t need to fight them. Or support them with weapons. Plenty of Arab states are and can do that.
They will be more liberal than Iran as an Islamic State.
But many of the Insurgents wiho we are now fighting really do want a secular government and they will give the Islamic government all the trouble it needs and may very well defeat them in the end.
America by leaving Iraq will be acting in it’s best interests and in Iraq’s best interests and their is no need for CIA supported insurgents.
This is so convoluted and plain SICK!
you might be right Stu that the best outcome for Iraq is for the US to not only withdraw our troops but also to withdraw our intelligence assets.
One problem. It’s not gonna happen.
So, it is useful to point out that leaving Iraq entirely is a possibility and even to speculate about what would happen. But it is also of limited utility, because it is so far out of the realm of the plausible.
Personally, I agree with you to this degree: I don’t think it really matters whether Iraq becomes a Shi’a state. After all, the majority of the people there are of that sect. If they can have elections like Iran, and they can keep the ayotollahs in Najaf where they belong, then it will be an improvement over Saddam and a possible moderately influence for Iran, over time.
But the bigger question is whether the other countries like Turkey and Saudi Arabia will be content with that outcome. And when I say Saudi Arabia I mean the Bush Crime Family and their cousins in crime.
It isn’t out of the realm of the plausible….it’s absolutely inevitable. It’s going to happen. Maybe you mean in the near future.
I don’t think because a certain sect is a majority or not should be any reason for Americans to judge who should rule. The Sunnis are typical in being a minority, ruling over a majority. It’s so common a book was written about it called “World on Fire”. What is happening is simply a reversal of roles, justice, equality and freedom are not enhanced by this reversal. Moving toward fundamentalism means less freedom, but again that’s none of our business…or I should say I consider it to be none of my business, anyway.
You can’t control what Turkey does in regard to the Kurds. So there’s no point in trying to. The United States isn’t interested in protecting the Kurds. They were used during the sanctions as a buffer ally for strategic reasons. They have no value to “American interests” outside of their potential to control oil, I guess in Kirkuk if they can get it.
The United States is cold blooded. Doesn’t even care about itself most of the time. It’s interests are very narrorw and correspond to the corporations and ideology whose interests and perspectives are very narrow, very dim, very short term, very shallow and ultimately self destructive.
The Ayotollahs in an Islamic State in Iraq will be political. So I don’t know what you mean by they will be kept in Najaf. These people and their organizations, like the Church in Rome are really businesses with the face of religion and the heart of a cold, cold vampire that seeks to keep populations weak with their influence.
You see if the United Nations was given real power, the influence of the US would diminish but I would hope the world would act more reasonalbly toward itself and with the goal of avoiding war which of course stops everything good from ever having a chance to begin.
The concept of velayat-e faqih is what made it possible for Ayotollah Khomeini to rule Iran. Within Shi’a Islam the concept is heretical. Ayotollahs have never held political power, nor have they aspired to hold office. They have influence in the same way that high profile American religious leaders have influence, but they would never run for office or lower themselves to become politicians.
Iran is the largest Shi’a nation but the role of mullahs within the constitutional system is despised by Iranians, Iraqis, and most Shi’a ayotollahs.
Most importantly, Sistani totally rejects velayat-e faqih. Moqtada al-Sadr doesn’t reject it, but he also bows down to what Sistani says. Al-Sadr is a punk kid with no Koranic credentials.
Sistani wants the ayotollahs to stay in Najaf. And so they will until he dies. That does mean that they don’t have influence. They do.
However, their influence is also a reflection of the will of the Iraqi people. The people will vote for conservative Shi’a politicians because that is what they want..
We can lament the fact that the majority want to curtail the freedoms of women. But at least it is an election. That’s my point.
As for the Kurds, if we sell them out a third time I think the next wave of anti-American terrorism will be coming from their community.
ailing against those who don’t want to bow the knee to Jesus,
You’re such a card, Larry. Made me laugh out loud.
Here’s something we can expect to see more of in a theocratic Iraq. Excellent, heartbreaking NPR story on honor killings. Go listen.
yes, it should go without saying that the women of Iraq are not going to enjoy living under Shi’a domination. Well, some of them will, but most of them will long for the days when they had more rights and freedoms and opportunities.
But…
Ultimately, we can not afford to micromanage what goes on in Iraq. We can only hope that the country can have repeatable elections and that the people of Iraq gradually become disillusioned with politicians that don’t do a good job. And religious wingnuts are fairly consistent at doing a bad job of governing.
Someone told me, and I don’t know whether it is true, that Jordan did a great job of undermining the religious parties by giving them minister positions for things like the sewer system and trash removal, etc. They did such a bad job that they lost whatever support they had.
Perhaps the same can happen in Iraq over time. But the important thing is that we can’t control what happens and it would be a mistake to try.
I believe the secular Chalibi has been put in control of the Oil and Energy Ministries. So looks like the Jordan model will be used in Iraq.
this link. I heard it when it was aired on NPR and was absolutely astounded. It’s hard to believe that our troops are killing and being killed for these inhuman assholes.
You’re welcome. I have to admit, I had the same reaction. I tell myself I shouldn’t, that I should extend some compassion for these men, but…I can’t.
Ultimately, we can not afford to micromanage what goes on in Iraq.
It sucks, though. The treatment of women in a tribal/religious dominated regime is another reason that the war was wrong to begin with (excuse my confused syntax. I have a cold). The next time somebody tells you, “well, at least Saddam is gone,” point them to that piece.
I remember reading about some UN study that was conducted by Arab scholars, about the state of the Arab world, and what the problems were. There were three major issues, according to these scholars. One was poor, autocratic and corrupt government. Two was the lack of outside intellectual discourse – i.e., hardly any foreign translated works. And three was the treatment of women. They were of the opinion that any society that suppressed half the population would find itself diminished, because women of talent would either find it difficult to participate in society or take their talents elsewhere.
It sounds obvious, but apparently, it isn’t, to some…
If the US leave Iraq today, I believe the country would disintegrate (the question is whether it can be called a nation at all in its present state) and three separate entities will emerge. One shiia ruled area in the south (heavily influenced by Iran), one area ruled by the Kurds in the north (provided that Turkey would accept it) and sunni-Arab ruled area in and around Baghdad influenced by tribal chiefs, but with no unified government. This area could then be the new launch-pad for militant groups.
“Shia Claus Is Comin’ To Town”
You better watch out
You better not cry
You better not pout
I’m telling you why
Shia Claus is coming to town
(Es ist verboten!!!!)
He’s making a list,
Checking it twice;
Gonna find out who’s naughty or nice.
Shia Claus is coming to town
(Kickin’ ass and QUOTIN’!!!)
He sees you when you’re sleeping
He knows when you’re awake
He knows if you’ve been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake
(SURVEILLANCE!!!)
With little tinhorns and little toy bombs
Bushy toot toots and Rummy tum tums
Shia Claus is coming to town
He sees you when you’re sleeping
He knows when you’re awake
He knows if you’ve been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake
(He’s WATCHING!!!)
You better watch out
You better not cry
You better not pout
I’m telling you why
Shia Claus is coming to town
Shia Claus is coming
Shia Claus is coming
Shia Claus is coming to town
(Coming to town)
The Mahdi is a busy man
He has no time to play
He’s got millions of bombs to drop
To drop on Christmas day.
Ohhhh…
You better watch out
You better not cry
You better not pout
I’m telling you why
Shia Claus is coming to town
Shia Claus is coming to town
(Coming to town)
Shia Claus is coming to town
(Coming to town)
Shia Claus is coming…
Shia Claus is coming…
Shia Claus is coming…
To town.
(To YOUR town. REAL soon, kids!!!)
AG