One of the reasons Democrats are less inclined to trade their essential liberties for a little temporary security is because we are less afraid. Except, that is not true. In fact, New Yorkers and those living in urban areas are more apprehensive about terrorist attacks than people living in the suburbs or rural areas. So, if Democrats (urban dwellers) are more afraid of terrorist attacks than Republicans (non-urban dwellers), then what explains their reluctance to support totalitarian police-state type tactics to keep them safe?
The first point is that urban dwellers are just much more accustomed to dealing with the threat of random violence. We can’t walk out our door without facing the possibility of being mugged, hit by a car, hit by a stray bullet, or dismembered and stuffed in a garbage bag. Shit like this happens in the city at a much higher rate than in the burbs. D.C. residents tolerate the highest murder rate in the country, nearly four times as high as the rate of the most murderous state, Louisiana.
The second point is that urban dwellers live with people from all kinds of different backgrounds, races, nationalities, and religions. As an example, in one borough of New York City, Queens, approximately 138 different languages are spoken and 54% of the people speak a language other than English at home.
Or to give you another example from my personal life…my local convenience store is run by a Korean family, my laudromat is run by a Chinese family, my local bar is owned by a Jewish Jersey boy, my local grocer is Mexican, and my neighborhood is about 50-60% black. The closest restaurants are Turkish, Thai, Chinese, and African-American.
I regularly shop and eat at restaurants/grocieries owned by Syrians, Lebanese, and Palestinians. There are numerous black Muslims that are my neighbors.
Because of these contacts in my daily life I have a better sense of how different groups of people think and what motivates them. I think that is true for most urban dwellers. Proximity and interaction breeds understanding and tolerance. It also makes fear rational.
New Yorkers know that they are the most likely target of terrorist violence. They also know that the Bush administration’s policies are alienating people all over the world and potentially radicalizing segments of their home population.
They don’t see it as productive to do random stop and searches, or to do warrantless domestic surveillance on ordinary citizens, as the Republicans do.
This helps explain some seeming anomalies in the polling, such as this:
Nearly a third of those who lived in big cities said they were “personally very concerned” about an attack where they live; only 13 percent of the people in small towns or rural areas felt that way. More than half of the suburbanites said they felt safe from terrorism, compared to fewer than half of those who lived in cities…
The findings point to a political paradox: Mr. Bush, who has made the campaign against terrorism the centerpiece of his presidency, has some of his lowest approval ratings in areas that are most concerned with another attack. New York City, which is overwhelmingly Democratic, gave Mr. Bush a 25 percent approval rating in a Quinnipiac University Poll.
Personally, I don’t feel safe from terrorist attack, but I actually feel more threatened by random violence from hooligans in my neighborhood. And what bothers me more than anything else is the total lack of faith I have in the privacy of my electronic communications. I am not inclined to cede ANY additional powers to a government that has shown no inclination to follow the rule of law or to display any competence whatsoever in any area.
I don’t think urban dwellers are inherently better or smarter or more tolerant. I just think, on average, they have a better feel for what will keep us safe and what will not. And we are used to both living with violence and living with people that are a lot different from us. That’s how we can be more apprehensive and less panicked.
So I assume you live in Queens? Neat. My 3rd oldest child was born in Queens, St Albans Naval Hospital, when I was stationed in Brooklyn in the mid-60s.
Stationed at the south end of Flatbush Ave, we lived in East Meadow.
I whole heartedly agree that living around/ in the midst of people that are a lot different from “us” make us not only more tolereant but also make us a more well adapted person.
When I was in NYC and had to drive in Queens, I hated it. A stop light at each and every block and I was driving a standard shift. ;o) Anyhow Chief, what was your mos, assuming you were a chief int he navy…right?
I don’t live in Queens. I live in Philly. And I would not say that living in a city necessarily makes you a better person in any way.
But, I would say, statistically, that city dwellers are more comfortable with people’s differences and less prone to xenophobic messaging, and more able to deal with a degree of danger in their every day lives.
And that is why urban dwellers are simultaneously more concerned about terrorism and less willing to support Bush’s power grab.
Hey Booman, I might agree with you but I have never been afraid. What will happen will happen no matter what. I am not a spastic person to begin with, but do tend to hold ppl’s feet to the fire, as I would do myself on things. In other words better back up your intentions or words, otherwise do not bother with me. Maybe that is foolish but I do not have time to worry about such things. Well, not now anyhow, and maybe never have been like that. Maybe someday that would get me into sever trouble or dead, who knows. I do live with caution when I come home late at night and to a parking lot at the hospital that I am weary of. Anyhow, I do take extra precaution of my surroundings for the most part most of the time, day or night. Then I live in a rural area and I wonder sometimes if someone was to threaten or do harm to me, what would I do in that circumstances. I do wonder. I used to carry a gun when I traveled, but then that could get me into trouble too, so stopped that. But when traveling by myself in towns like Memphis or DC or such, I was so very cautious of my environment…but I did not think paranoid about it.
it’s all an adjustment. I’ve known white people that came from the very white and very racist suburbs of Detroit that have moved to Philly and been really frightened of black neighborhoods. That is…initially. The fear goes away and is replaced with a realistic assessment of the danger level in any neighborhood or given circumstance.
To use another example, a white friend of mine was once the passenger in the car of his black friend when they got pulled over on Rt. 1 in New Jersey (a famous racial proiling alley). My white friend immediately went for the glove compartment to get the registration and insurance. The driver screamed at him that he was going to get them killed. Why?
Because a gun could be in the glove compartment and the police didn’t want to see anyone going for it.
That would never occur to most white people because the danger of that misunderstanding is so unlikely for them.
Every deals with different threats, and everyone has only a partial understanding of the threats that others face.
What is significant here, I think, is the tolerance of danger. When you face very little danger on a daily basis, a small amount of danger can lead to an outsized response. Bush depends on it.
Hmm, interesting points. Now you’ve got me thinking, I’m also wondering (if I may make another generalization) if urban dwellers are a bit more protective of their privacy, too. I’ve lived in the city, in suburbs, and the country, and one of the big differences, at least in the places I’ve lived, is that in the really crowded bits of LA, people have to ignore each other a certain amount to maintain any semblance of not living on top of each other.
It seems to me people who consider making eye contact as an invasion of personal space, might not take too kindly to, y’know, wiretaps and such.
well, we lock our doors and we don’t know all our neighbors, even the one’s living up or downstairs.
On the other hand, we have much less personal space and therefore, much less privacy. But I don’t know why anyone would want their emails and phone calls monitored.
Well, that’s kind of what I was getting at. I’ve never been back east, so I’m generalizing from western experience, but it was the same in LA as to not knowing your neighbors, and you certainly didn’t “pry.”
It seems to me when people are crowded, they’re much more protective of their personal privacy, whereas when I’ve lived in the country, the nearest neighbor might be a mile away, but you know all about them and their family.
I lived in LA for three years and I thought most of my neighbors should be in an asylum. I’ve never been anywhere with more people off their meds.
But I loved Los Angeles. I have a lot of happy memories of those days.
LA is weird though because everyone drives. That is not an eastern way of living in the city.
Well, not everyone drives. Really, if you wanted to see the lunatics, you should’ve tried taking the bus in LA! It’s surreal.
Actually, there’s vast cultural differences just between sections of LA. Even though the valley is very crowded, I’d consider most of it to have a more suburban mindset, whereas Long Beach is actually a suburb, but acts like it’s an isolated city. What part did you live in?
I lived in West LA, near Nicole Simpson. I used to deliver pizza to Kato. Then I moved to Venice.
Ah, Venice — it’s all becoming clear now. I lived there for awhile, too, and still have a friend there in one of those houses where there’s no streets, just a sidewalk. There’s a specific name for them, but it escapes me at the moment. It’s only gotten weirder, too. As of about 5 years ago, those houses were worth a fortune and the surrounding neighborhoods had gotten to be some of the worst. You had to park your car in a war zone, and then walk into freaky opulence.
I live in Detroit, in Detroit, not its suburbs. I know more of my neighbors here, than in that small college town before this, in Austin Texas before that, and in numerous other small towns and medium-sized cities and towns in the past.
We have a strong neighborhood association. We look out for each other, as well as having fun together and working on building up our neighborhood. My neighbors are not strangers. Black, white, Latino, gay, and straight; it’s not like anything I’ve experienced before in any other place.
Maybe this is because Detroit is not like most other American cities? I don’t know. It is monumentally frustrating to live here, in many ways, but what we do have is rare, I think, and good.
I live ten minutes from the beltway. I live 25 minutes from Downtown DC. A real potential future “ground zero”
Yeah, I’m afraid, alright. I’m afraid of what this administration will do stay in power. I’m afraid for myself, but mostly afraid for my kids.
EVERYONE should be afraid.
Everyone should be afraid of is the voting apparatus.
On Diane Reem show today, it was revealed that the compromisable voting machines/systems will be used by 39 percent of voters in 64 days.
That ought to scare the shit out of everyone.
As for terrorists, I don’t believe terrorists will get me anymore than I believe a serial killer, or a sniper or rapist, or food poisoning will do me in. . If they do, it will be a fluke — bad fucking luck. But I sure as hell ain’t gonna govern my vote according to fear of the highly unlikely. I’m gonna govern my vote according to the liklihood that the GOP will continue to destroy this country and destabilize the planet because the odds are more favorable that that is what will happen..
BooMan writes:
C’mon. BooMan.
You KNOW better.
A couple of points:
1-A massive percentage of the talented leave home if home is not exciting or challenging enough. Like in the boonies. Many suburbs, too. They go to the city. If they grow up IN the city but are stuck in an ethnic ghetto of some sort, they still leave home. Upwardly mobile. And they still stay in or very near the city.
Gene sink. The good genetic material leaves, the not so good genetic material stays.
Duhsville, USA is the result. I just spent 3 weeks in the boonies of America. Duhsville. Bet on it. I’m back in the Bronx. Almost the only intelligent people I met in rural/tourist Maine…and I was in the “rural” section. Bet on it (Dealing with the natives on the level of basic medical services, construction and maintenance, etc)…were from “somewhere else.”
“Awayuhs”, in the local dialect. Russians (LOTS of Russians, working in fairly menial jobs…sharp as tacks in comparison to people who are the results of 200 years of gene sink), Mexicans (Yup…Mexicans), people from elsewhere who are there making money off the tourist trade, vacationers from (of course) the cities and the occasional Mainer who got an education and came back to rip off the locals…lawyers, doctors etc. (Saw a sign up there…”Holistic Lawyer”. Deep.) Lesbian and gay male refugees digging in for the long haul.
Dassit. That’s all she wrote.
MASSES of fat, brain damaged, plodding inheritors of the genetic leavings of generations of Maine losers who stayed. Going to WalMart was like reading a Stephen King novel. Casting by a Down East Fellini. So was walking the halls of a hospital. Patients, visitors AND staff.
Deep.
I have ALSO been privileged to be in a similar situation in the boonies outside of Atlanta. Same process, same result.
Except less tourist money.
Gene sink.
This is not to say that there are not decent, intelligent natives living there. There are, of course. But less of them every year. My family has been there for 40+ years, and I have spent a LOT of time there myself. I know the neighborhood. We are talking percentages here, not absolutes.
I have also lived in devolved white ethnic ghettos in New York and Boston. Irish and Italian. Tipping into white flight where even the genetic leavings leave in fear of…the other.
The black/brown/beige other.
And in that black/brown/beige world the gene sink idea does not apply with the same force.
It’s there, of course, but that old American black saying?
If you brown…stick aroun’
If you black…get back!!!
That saying has a corollary.
If you white…you CAN go “somewhere else.”
But the darker you are, the harder it gets to leave the ghetto. In fact, African-featured (and other dark-complected races as well) bring the ghetto WITH them in the sense that white Americans SEE their difference and ghettoize them from the get-go. In their own minds.
The ghetto-go.
One ghetto TO go, coming right up.
So blackness tends to CONCENTRATE the genetic material in a proscribed neighborhood to some degree. A well functioning society appears where more of the superior genetic material stays home and becomes the political/business/cultural elite. (Because after all…where the fuck are they gonna that will really be much better? Maine? I think not.) Witness the Harlem Renaissance. Which happened at the same time in EVERY urban black neighborhood in America to one degree or another. Only the lovely CIA-run crack epidemic (and its predecessor heroin thing) succeeded in breaking THAT system down.
No Boonies Renaissance, to my knowledge.
No Little Italy Renaissance either.
No Suburban Renaiassance.
But cities?
In major cities there is one or another “renaissance” every goddamned GENERATION.
Why?
Because that’s where the smart people go.
2-You GET smart when you live in a city. You must get smart. You are challenged to survive, and the challenge is largely mental.
I sit in subways here in NYC city and watch tourist yahoos with the imprint of generations of gene sink on their faces try to figure out a subway map. Duhsville. And I watch city-bred ten year olds navigate the same system with ease. Smartsville.
And…there are VERY intelligent predators here. On all levels. I would MUCH sooner deal with bears and wolves than muggers, shake and bake store owners, crooked cops and massively corrupt politicians. Hell…all it takes in a large rifle and some common sense to deal with most country predators. (Unless you are some death wish/Steve Irwin type, of course.) But in the city? Watch OUT!!!
They keep the herd sharp, these urban predators. Be smart or be gone.
Tolerance?
Sit cheek to jowl with 279 different races every day of your life. I got yer “tolerance”, right HERE!!!
Or…go sit in a rural diner with 15 complaining, gene-sinked, mentally and physically obese fools and listen to them complain about those ragheads an’ niggers. (As long as you kin blend in well enough to disappeah, a’course. Ayuh. Talent with regional dialects helps no end. Ayuh. WICKED good coffee.)
City dwellers are not “tolerant”. They just know that criminality is an equal opportunity employer.
Vive la cité!!! (I am SO glad to be back!!!)
AG
Smartsville? Or Duhsville? Vive la cité!!!
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AG