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I’ve been saying for some time that the only way the Pentagon might block a strike on Iran would be through key four-star officers resigning in protest. Michael Smith and Sarah Baxter of the Sunday Times reported this week that something like that might be afoot.
Some of America’s most senior military commanders are prepared to resign if the White House orders a military strike against Iran, according to highly placed defence and intelligence sources…
…”There are four or five generals and admirals we know of who would resign if Bush ordered an attack on Iran,” a source with close ties to British intelligence said. “There is simply no stomach for it in the Pentagon, and a lot of people question whether such an attack would be effective or even possible.”
As you might expect, Smith and Baxter don’t mention any names–either of their sources or of what generals or admirals might be involved. “Four or five generals and admirals” could be the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff or it could be a handful of one and two-stars who whose careers are at a dead end anyway. It’s very unlikely that Admiral William Fallon or General David Petraeus would resign over a strike on Iran having just taken over the top two slots in Central Command.
From the sound of things, a majority of the top Pentagon brass thinks a strike on Iran would be a disastrous failure, and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates seems to agree with that view. Mr. Bush’s chief ally overseas, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, is on record as saying it would not “be right to take military action against Iran.”
Yet, not surprisingly, Vice President Dick Cheney insists that the military option remains on the table. If this were coming from anyone but Cheney, I’d be willing to accept it as mere gamesmanship. But Cheney and his neo-confederates have been pushing for war with Iran for a long time.
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Seymour Hersh appeared on CNN’s Late Edition Sunday afternoon and talked about his upcoming story in the March 4 issue of The New Yorker. In “The Redirection” Hersh describes, among other things, how a planning cell in the Pentagon continues to rework the Iran target set.
…the Pentagon is continuing intensive planning for a possible bombing attack on Iran, a process that began last year, at the direction of the President. In recent months, the former intelligence official told me, a special planning group has been established in the offices of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, charged with creating a contingency bombing plan for Iran that can be implemented, upon orders from the President, within twenty-four hours.
This week, Senate Democrats will attempt to pass legislation that puts an expiration date on the 2002 Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq. How they’ll get that past a Republican filibuster is anybody’s guess.
If Congress really wants to keep Mr. Bush from moving against Iran without legislative approval, however, the bill they really need to revise is the War Powers Resolution of 1973. The Resolution, in effect, allows a president to commit troops to combat for up to 60 days before he needs to come to Congress for a declaration of war or “specific statutory authorization.” If Mr. Bush can order an air operation against Iran on a 24-hour notice, he can blow up a significant portion of the country in 60 days.
The tricky part for Bush is finding a good enough excuse to pull a stunt of this magnitude.
From the Los Angeles Times we learn that the U.N. deems U.S. intelligence on Iran’s nuclear intentions to be unreliable.
VIENNA — Although international concern is growing about Iran’s nuclear program and its regional ambitions, diplomats here say most U.S. intelligence shared with the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency has proved inaccurate and none has led to significant discoveries inside Iran.
The officials said the CIA and other Western spy services had provided sensitive information to the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency at least since 2002, when Iran’s long-secret nuclear program was exposed. But none of the tips about supposed secret weapons sites provided clear evidence that the Islamic Republic was developing illicit weapons.
The clumsy attempt two weeks ago by unnamed senior defense officials to “prove” Iran is supplying weapons to militant groups in Iraq virtually blew up in their faces. So Mr. Bush’s best hope for a justification to bomb Iran is an incident at sea between U.S. and Iranian naval forces.
As the U.S. increases the number of ships deployed to the region, the greater the odds become of such an incident occurring. We can take some comfort in the fact that American and Iranian naval ships have operated in the vicinity of each other in the Gulf and the North Arabian Sea for decades and have learned to avoid “mistakes” that could lead to unintentional weapons exchanges. Nonetheless, the present situation between the two countries is more tense that it has been since the Tanker War in the 80s.
If a U.S. ship is attacked–or perceived to have been attacked–by an Iranian vessel, or hits a mine, would American generals and admirals follow through on the threat to resign rather that participate in a strike on Iran?
If they do, the times we live in will become interesting indeed.
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Commander Jeff Huber, U.S. Navy (Retired) writes from Virginia Beach, Virginia. Read his commentaries at Pen and Sword.
No. I doubt it. The four or five un-named Generals can be replaced; can they not by the Commander-in-Chief, President Cheney and the pretend decider-in-chief?
One other key question though, is what of General Pace, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff? Pace, having publicly criticized the administration’s roll-out against Iran’s meddling in Iraq, would he launch the attack if the order came?
I’m surprised Pace is still on the job.
colour me skeptical.
the biggest issue I see here is the continuation of support by the republicans in congress for this insane policy. given the obvious and repeated expression of misgivings and negative assessments of the situation from everyone from the Baker-Hamilton Committee, Pace and the joint chiefs, commanders in the field…the list is long and distinguished…wtf?
given the fact that the msm is not going to report on an open rebellion within the ranks of the military, is it any surprise that they have resorted to the foreign press, ala the administrations’ use of the Telegraph, UK, to apply pressure?
we’re in very treacherous…bordering on treasonous…water’s here, and I get the uneasy feeling that everyone involved is making it up as they go…a very unsettling prospect.
march on the pentagon: 3.17.07
Draft Al Gore: 2008
Bush could find replacements there are those soldiers who soldier on out of loyalty…. like Colin Powell. But something is brewing. In link provided the author, Gwynne Dyer, noted war historian writer draws the comparison. …recalling the firing of MacArthur and asks the question what will Dems do?
the articel was first published in Europe.
“Would Pace attack Iran if Bush ordered it?
So, do you think Colin Powell have regrets?
does Colon Powell have regrets? about what?
the fact that he knew he was lying but chose to do so?
when he gave that infamous presentation at the united nations, he lost all credibility any right to express regrets…he could have resigned. that act just might have saved this nation from a monumental disaster.
I have no sympathy for Powell…he failed his country, and was, subsequently, thrown under the bus…at the end of the day, he exposed himself for the craven opportunist and coward that he has become; not that his history, with minor exceptions, would have led anyone to believe otherwise.
frankly, I don’t care whether he has misgivings or not, his continued silence speaks volumes for his lack of conscience and integrity.
he deserves to be in the dock at the Hague along with the rest of the war criminals.
march on the pentagon: 3.17.07
Draft Al Gore: 2008
guys, that question was presented ‘tongue in cheek’ even in cyberspace. In my book, that General and former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was a coward – putting personal loyalty to the Bush family ahead of saving his country from a monumental defeat of its army and its reputation…found his tongue a year and an hour too late.
Little sympathy from this corner – he could have stood firm against Cheney – guess he continued to see him as “Boss”
correct, but equally profound was his failure of the institution one would think he revered and respected– the U.S. military.
when he performed his painfully phony dog and pony show at the UNSC with a vial of sand from some kid’s sandbox and those worthless photos, he did so knowing full well bu$hco/the pentagon/Israel intended to invade and occupy Iraq.
he knew our military personnel would be giving their lives for a LIE. if that is not a treasonous sort of act, I don’t know what is.
yet Powell is enormously popular with the masses.. and many would support him if he were to run for POTUS.
why would a guy perceived to be of high integrity so clearly sell out to help bu$hco illegally invade and occupy Iraq? my contention is because Powell does have higher political aspirations– he intends to run for POTUS.
agreed, he knew it was a lie, nothing but smoke and mirrors, and he betrayed his brothers in arms by making that presentation…destroying whatever integrity he had.
as to his running for POTUS, that window is closed…once upon a time he was being touted as a potential candidate, but now he’s going to be nothing more than a footnote in an historical treatise on the fall of the american empire.
march on the pentagon: 3.17.07
Draft Al Gore: 2008
not sure how long you’ve been observing politics in our fair country, but your Draft Gore notion indicates: not as long as me (thirty years).
Powell: you’re forgetting a couple of major points– Americans have very short memories, and numerous are well, stupid. they’ll believe anything an “authority figure” tells them.
you’re also forgetting Powell bailed out of the bush administration not long after he sold out at the UNSC– precisely with the intent of distancing himself from those actions and from the bush administration.
since then he’s been regularly (every 3-4 months) releasing statements which further distances himself from bu$hco and the Iraq quagmire.
why? because he intends to run for POTUS, or at least be a VP candidate. dream ticket: how’s this– McCain/Powell. think not?
the door is not closed for Powell.. it’s wide open.
43 + years, for your information.
be careful when casting aspersions sir/madame.
good night and good luck.
march on the pentagon: 3.17.07
Draft Al Gore: 2008
No, bonafides are not required.
if you are indeed as old as you indicate, then I’m even more surprised you’re on board with the “draft Gore” baloney.
you actually believe the money people are going to back Gore, a one time loser? back Gore when everyone knows the right wing slime machine is going to have a field day mocking and laughing– and getting a lot of traction with voters.
please.
let’s stick to my point– i.e. that Powell has clearly made an effort to distance himself from bu$hco and the reason why he’s doing so.
Hint: it’s not just about selling books and doing speaking engagements.
…isn’t really in the chain of command. It passes from Bush to Gates to Fallon and down from there.
Pace is an “adviser.”
On The Most today, featured the headline “Does Iran already have enough information to bomb the US?” and then talked about a years-old case of some diplomat filming parts of New York. Why is Abrams playing the White House game?
And is Bushco sowing seeds so that if something happens, they can blame Iran? Remember, they never really investigated the Anthrax so that the public would assume it was Iraq or Al Quaeda.
Iran bomb the U.S.? And MSNBC actually ran that crap?
I’m stunned.
Jeff, that’s all they have to sell.
Crap and fear.
Fear and crap but.. too dumb to figure out they forgot to change the wrapping.
Oooh btw, this “Report” out of Israel:
3 Gulf states agree to IAF overflights en route to Iran
Did my eye read ground attack? NATO can’t find additional troops for the ongoing Afghan mission but troops are available for the new war with Iran. What! they think Iran stupid?
All over 50 – ladies too, you can be nurses – raise your hands. Did you serve before? You’re up. Uncle Sammy will need you.
SUre did! It was the headline that stunned me. When you actually listened to the facts (an old case of someone taking souvenier photos) it meant nothing. I was amazed that Dan Abrams allowed it.
…I think resignations will only enforce the attitude at the top that, “Hey, I’m the decider and this just proves how right my decisions are! Heheheh.”
I guess if I was smart I’d be out running up my credit cards on dry goods, bottled water, ammo, reliable armament, and finding a local shooting range with a combat component.
As fast as American generals are stepping away from attacking Iran, Israeli generals are lobbying Democrats and Democratic presidential candidates to support such attacks (among others less “sexy” to us at the moment).
Admittely, the vociferous General Oded Tira seems ignorant of American politics, even when he says:
And c’mon, folks, keep a grip — don’t just focus on the mention of Hillary Clinton by name. Realize that this guy is probably just one step outside the batshit crazy cave.
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it will happen. This is his and the neo-nutters last chance. He and they aint going to be waiting for a Giuliani or Dem presidency to abandon all this insane interventionism. That is the real worry. Cheney man is backed into a corner with the clock ticking. They could still do a lot of damage in that time and we have already seen that the rethug party is still packed with the McCain led not very intelligent war heads who will defo filibuster anything aimed at stopping King George and Queen Cheney. Worrying times ahead indeed.