At the Sunday rally in Manchester, NH, Oprah Winfrey stirred the crowd:
“Ain’t you tired of the old way of politics,” Winfrey asked. The crowd responded “Yes.”
Barack Obama recently said:
”We’ve had enough of … triangulation and poll-driven politics,” he said. ”That’s not what we need right now.’
Obama is rising in the polls because he’s expressing FEELINGS that people WANT to hear. People are worn down by the last seven years, and they want to believe what they’re hearing from a hopeful, fresh candidate. The problem is, it’s just talk. Here are some pithy examples of (1) Obama as the triangulator extraordinaire, and (2) Obama as a do-nothing — yes, a do-nothing.
A do-nothing? You can’t even find it listed at his Senate Web site, but Sen. Obama is the chairman of the Subcommittee on European Affairs for the Senate Foreign Relations committee. That subcommittee oversees “U.S. involvement with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), relations with the European Union (EU), and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. Matters relating to Greenland and the northern polar region are also the responsibility of this subcommittee.”
Shockingly — although his campaign has tried to beef up his thin international experience by citing his chairmanship of the subcommittee on European affairs — according to Congressional Quarterly, Sen. Obama has not held a single hearing since he assumed the chairmanship nearly a year ago. It’s little wonder, then, that Sen. Obama’s Senate site doesn’t list his chairmanship.
Then there’s IRAQ, and Obama’s (and Oprah’s) incessant claim— as Oprah told the Des Moines crowd on Saturday, “long before it was the popular thing to do, he stood with clarity and conviction against this war in Iraq.”
In July of `04, Barack Obama, “I’m not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don’t know,” in terms of how you would have voted on the war. And then this: “There’s not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush’s position at this stage.” That was July of `04. And this: “I think” there’s “some room for disagreement in that initial decision to vote for authorization of the war.” It doesn’t seem that you are firmly wedded against the war, and that you left some wiggle room that, if you had been in the Senate, you may have voted for it. (“Meet the Press,” 2004, via MyDD, Nov. 11, 2007)
“What would I have done? I don’t know” … “There’s not much of a difference” between him and George W. Bush … “some room for disagreement in that initial decision. …” If that’s not triangulation, I dont know what is.
What about Obama’s speeches on Iraq in the U.S. Senate? “[H]e did not give a speech devoted to Iraq for 11 months, and waited 16 months to give his first floor speech dedicated to Iraq, which happened to express his opposition to Senator John Kerry’s troop withdrawal plan. …”
What about Obama’s voting record in the U.S. Senate on Iraq? TPM Election Central painstakingly compared every single vote on Iraq by Sens. Clinton and Obama, since Obama entered the Senate. Senators Clinton and Obama voted identically, except once: On the confirmation of “General George Casey to be Chief of Staff for the Army, held just this past February. Hillary voted against confirmation, while Obama voted to confirm.” Why did Sen. Clinton vote against Gen. Casey’s confirmation?
During his nomination hearing to be Army Chief of Staff, I questioned General Casey about recent reports, both by the Department of Defense Inspector General and press accounts, that units and personnel lacked the necessary equipment. General Casey responded that was not aware of the problems cited in these reports and actually quite surprised at the reported shortcomings. In the Inspector General report’s summary, the equipment shortages were attributed to basic management failures among military commanders in Iraq and Afghanistan. General Casey was not aware of this investigation or its recommendations that oversight must immediately improve to ensure proper distribution of equipment; as a result units and personnel are not able to perform assign missions.
How did Sen. Obama defend his vote for Gen. Casey?
“It is a bit unseemly that General Casey is being made the scapegoat for a war that never should have been fought and for a failed strategy dictated by the civilian leadership in the White House. The President, Vice President and other civilian officials set forth an unworkable strategy with inadequate resources and did not listen to the advice of generals on the ground. They are the ones ultimately responsible for the current situation in Iraq. I hope General Casey will get more support for his new mission, which is so important to the country. I want to see General Casey use his experience in Iraq to ensure that the civilian leadership in Washington understands the challenges faced and resources needed by today’s Army.”
That’s it. That’s the entire press release. Not a word about Gen. Casey’s failure to know about the crisis in equipment shortages or the “basic management failures” during Gen. Casey’s own time in Iraq or the Inspector General’s shocking report.
What about the senators’ trips to Iraq? In his three years in the U.S. Senate, Obama has visited Iraq once. Sen. Clinton has visited Iraq and Afghanistan three times.
We Americans all love good orators. We yearn to feel our hearts soar with optimism. We flock to the “sunny” candidates like Ronald Reagan. We want to feel better about our country but — when we’re sober and reflective — don’t we really want the candidate who’s walked the walk.
Sen. Clinton has stuck her neck out — by voting against Gen. Casey’s confirmation, by voting against the attack-dog resolution against MoveOn.org and by voting on the Iran resolution. (Yes, the last was controversial, but remember that she was the first senator to warn Pres. Bush against taking military action against Iran and that she partnered with Sen. Jim Webb’s resolution to require Congressional authorization before any military action against Iran.)
Sen. Obama failed to show up for the MoveOn or Iran votes, and in effect lied when he lamely told Wolf Blitzer that he didn’t know the Iran vote was coming up and didn’t have time to get back from campaigning in New Hampshire. (In fact, all senators were informed the day before that the Iran resolution vote was to come up the next day.)
There’s more to say, but I’ll close for now with this from “Hillary Clinton: More Than Just Talk” at Huffington Post:
In an attempt to deflect attention from the fact that Senator Obama served in the Illinois state senate just three years ago and would have less experience than any president since World War II, Senator Obama and his advisors have gone on the attack. They have criticized the role Senator Clinton has played in promoting American interests during her eight years as First Lady, seven years in the Senate, and four years as a member of the Senator Armed Services Committee.
Senator Clinton as First Lady was “America’s finest ambassador abroad,” Madeleine Albright’s office said at the time. Hillary Clinton did much more than “get picked up at the airport by a state convoy and security detail . . . . and get lunch” with an ambassador, as Senator Obama implied recently. As Newsweek reported about Senator Clinton’s diplomatic missions as First Lady, “She often travels to remote regions where no presidential motorcade would venture and where no secretary of state would have time to go.” Her 1995 speech at the UN World Conference on Women in Beijing, where she famously proclaimed “women’s rights are human rights,” remains an inspiration to leaders of the fight for women’s equality around the world. Long before others, she visited countries stricken by HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, and malaria throughout the world, urging better prevention and treatment strategies, and returned to Washington to push for greater action within the US government. Her 1995 trip to India helped open the door to the transformation in relations between the world’s two largest democracies. She raised awareness on mine issues in the Balkans and led humanitarian efforts on behalf of Kosovar refugees.
As Senator, Hillary has fought to ensure our troops have the body armor they need while in combat, and she has passed laws so that returning soldiers are treated with dignity when they return home. She has placed education at the center of U.S. international assistance. She has been a leader in combating nuclear proliferation and the threat of nuclear terrorism. She has championed efforts to end the genocide in Darfur and been a leading voice in calling for action to end global warming. As a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, she has visited our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan three times.
By contrast Senator Obama has been in the U.S. Senate under three years. His campaign has touted his experience as chairman of a subcommittee on European affairs, which, according to Congressional Quarterly, has not held a hearing since he assumed the chairmanship nearly a year ago. Senator Obama has traveled to Iraq once, 23 months ago.
We respect Senator Obama’s opposition to the war as a state senator in Illinois. But when he was actually in a position to influence policy from the U.S. Senate, he did not give a speech devoted to Iraq for 11 months, and waited 16 months to give his first floor speech dedicated to Iraq, which happened to express his opposition to Senator John Kerry’s troop withdrawal plan. … READ ALL.
People want change. But change from Obama? It’s illusory. Hillary Clinton has brought change for decades, fighting for women’s rights in the 1960s and 1970s when it was far, far tougher than it is these days. Fighting for children’s rights long before it was a common practice.
Obama is infamous for voting “present” on too many tough votes when he was in the Illinois state senate. He has skipped tough votes in the U.S. Senate. How can he possibly be that “the-buck-stops-here” tough leader we’ll need in the White House?
Hi all. Finally getting back into writing after a long absence. Be nice! 🙂
By the way, so you know, Edwards and/or Chris Dodd are my second choices. I know that both have the “stuff” [aka b_lls] to take charge in the Oval Office. That I don’t see in Obama.
Funny…I’m sitting here thinking about blasting Clinton for Shaheen’s dirty trick.
But, more importantly, how’s your health?
Ended up spending two full weeks in the hospital, a week longer than scheduled — most of it in the rehabilitation wing with at least four hours per day of physical and occupational therapy.
Surgery was eventful! A half hour before, I went in the bathroom; the floor was wet, and I flew, skinning my knee, and I couldn’t get up — took two nurses to lift me up (because my hips were so shot). I was very upset because I wasn’t even allowed to shave my legs 7 days before surgery, and there I was with a bleeding knee. But the surgeon came out and said we’d go ahead. Whew. (The nurses were worried about liability but I said I didn’t care, I just wanted my surgery!) Then I woke up in the middle of the surgery, and I remember seeing very bright lights and lots of people with white masks on. You won’t believe this, but the surgeon said the next day that I was “quite unruly” when I woke up.
Afterwards, I needed lots of blood transfusions, and got pneumonia, so was a pretty sick girl for many days.
Wish I had a scanner … the surgeon gave me an image of the xray showing both of my titanium hips.
When I got home, I had home health providers — RNs, physical and occupational therapists, social worker, etc. The care has been excellent! Now I’m going to the physical therapy dept. at the local hospital — tomorrow I am going in the pool.
The physical therapists say I look like a tree that got bent by the wind for years — I lean to the left, and forward, but they think it’s possible they can straighten me out!
Still can’t drive, darn it. My car is rather low, and they’re worried. My surgeon set my restriction at 70 degrees, which doesn’t allow much bending. I see him towards the end of the month, and hope he’ll lift my restrictions then.
The pain is subsiding. The scars are beautiful! My back is still a major issue, but I’ll tackle that in the new year.
It was, all in all, a marvelous experience, despite the incredible pain and challenges afterwards. The rehabilitation physicians and staff were the most wonderful and observant people, and helped me so much. And my surgeon is internationally renowned and has done thousands of hip replacements, so I was in very good hands.
Thank you so much for asking. Hope you’re doing well too.
(Too bad about Sheehan’s comments. It’s hard to control what every single person in a campaign says. I keep thinking about four years ago, when I was an ardent Dean supporter, and how nervewracking it was seeing the polls out of Iowa. Dean was the frontrunner and was attacked incessantly — it took a huge toll.
I’ll vote for the Democratic candidate, no matter who that is. And I think our crop is a lot better than the GOP crop.)
I’m glad you’re doing better – sounds like you have a good team of people taking care of you.
And a silly question: will the new hips set off airport metal detectors? 🙂
Yep, they will. The doctor gives you a card that says you have a had hip replacement, and TSA ingnores it. My husband (who is sooo much better since the replacement) has been searched over 500 times in the last two and a half years. Some of the TSA guys know him by now, but search each time. The majority of people you see getting searched are hip and knee replacements — a particularly dangerous segment of the population.
It’s so good to see you again!! I’m glad you’re on the mend and hope we see a lot more of you. Place just hasn’t been the same.
My dad got a new hip over the summer and while the recovery was long an painful (and he still has physical therapy), he’s zipping around the house like a 70-year old again. He’s even resumed cussing, which for an old sailor is a very good thing!
I vehemently disagree with you. I think that Obama has shown and equal measure and humility and effectiveness. True he has passed little during his time in the Senate, but not many good bills have been passed by the Senate in the last seven years.
You mention too many things to easily address all of them in a comment, but I think you are misinterpreting Obama’s answer to Blitzer. My memory is that he said that he chose not to cancel a previously scheduled event, that he opposed it at the time, and it was a mistake to miss the vote.
He knew that his absence counted towards any possible 60 vote threshold, and that his vote would not be enough to defeat it. Taken from Hilary’s “Fact Hub“:
Obama has been right on most of the most important issues of the last several years, he shows the judgement that he will be right on similar issues when they come up in the future. He has also proved that he is capable of admitting when he makes a mistake. Even when that mistake was not voting against an amendment that he knew was going to pass.
That is much less of a mistake than voting in favor of a war that has killed thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis or taking a stance that took us closer to war with Iran.
Amen. well writ.
Notice HRC is cratering as dynasty fatigue sets in. HRC has been campaigning as if she has a devine right to return to the White House.
Glad to hear that you are doing better.
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Take care SusanHu!
Good to see you around the pond and writing about the issues as you see fit with conviction.
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
WITH THIS!
If after seven years of incompetence in the Whitehouse, you believe that experience is important, you have not been listening or learning. Cheney-Rumsfeld had too much foreign policy experience. It is not about experience. It is all about principles.
And that was the Cheney-Bush problem: a deficiency.
Hillary might be regarded as more experienced, but she is obviously a Republican Lite Neocon, and intends to continue the Cheney-Bush program in some modified form, undoubtedly.
So take your experience and…..
shergald, you can still give us your opinions without being so rude.
lets not go there and get too personal. Keep it civil. If memory serves a breakdown in discourse was one reason, in part, that drove susanhu from the community.
Apology to Susan.
But, of course, it is the season for Democrats to fight, all in anticipation of the 2008 elections. On the other hand, Susan was caustically disparaging of Obama, and while I am not committed to a candidate presently, I did not feel her attacks were warranted.
Now you are being nice! See, I dont agree with her either, and I will not vote for Hillary nor Obama.
Obama reminds me of Elmer Gantry, and Oprah is his high priestess of bling. Talk about touchy feely and faith based, these two are second to none including the Branch Davidians, Heaven’s Gate, and the Hare Krishnas. Both are even speaking in tongue, y’all.
Obama is a joke. What we don’t need is another faith based President.
So glad to see you back! Hope things continue to go well with your recovery.
Good to see you.
God bless.
Hi Susan!
Hey Susan. Always glad to see you writing.
I agree that people respond to Obama’s message and persona. He did stand up against the war — he spoke at a number of rallies in 20 degree temperature. But it was Chicago. And there wasn’t a ton of controversy over that stand.
Once he won the primary, I worked on his Senatorial campaign. But I have been disappointed with him — for many of the reasons you site. I also wasn’t totally surprised given his behavior in the state legislature.
I have no use for Clinton, though. Far too DLC for me.
I haven’t made up my mind. I’ve sent a few bucks to Edwards, Dodd and Kucinich because I feel they all bring something important to the debate. On February 5, I have no idea who will get my vote.
There were not a lot of elected leaders who were willing to take that stand in any party of the country at that time, except maybe in Berkeley. If it was any easy stand to take, why didn’t more of our leaders take it. Why couldn’t we find any other Senators with presidential ambitions who opposed the war at that time?
I was easy in Chicago, because that was the base that was going to Obama elected in the Senatorial primary. There were seven people in the field and Obama was not the machine’s choice. Being against the warthere got him elected. Once he started having broader ambitions, his position got diluted. (By the way, he is now firmly in lock step with the Chicago machine as evidenced by his actions vis a vis Stroger and Ceglis.) He’s not a bad man, but I think his desire to be embraced outweighs his desire to make tough decisions. If he were running for American spokesperson or maybe even poet laureate, I’d vote for him. I fear he doesn’t have the will to stand up in the face of heated conflict.
Fascinating about the senate primary. Didn’t know all that. Like Dean, his anti-war message got him a lot of press, and notice. Makes sense.
“If he were running for American spokesperson or maybe even poet laureate, I’d vote for him. I fear he doesn’t have the will to stand up in the face of heated conflict. …”
That’s my big fear about him too. And you’re right that he is NOT a bad person. He’s just not Oval Office material. It takes a hell of a lot of grit and the ability to make truly tough decisions to do that job. I can see Clinton, Richardson, Dodd, Biden, Edwards as having that grit. Just not Obama.
That is funny I agree that it takes a lot of grit, but I see it in different candidates.
I think that Obama has been very consistent in who he is and what he values, able to make good judgments based and stick to them when they are unpopular and apologize when they are wrong.
It is Clinton and Edwards whose “grit” and ability to make truly tough decisions worry me. They both have a history of going along with decisions that I think are bad ones but are popular. Edwards at least apologizes and takes responsibility for many of his mistakes in the Senate.
Of the other three, I am comfortable with Dodd and Richardson on having the grit and courage to take positions and pursue them. If I felt they had the charisma to lead and unify the nation then they might be my candidate.
I think the problem with our choices is that none of them are ideal. Hillary’s too DLC for me, and I think we need a big change, not someone who’s taking money from the same lobbies BushCo did (sorry Susan), Obama leaves me lukewarm/flat (sorry Luam), and I wish Elizabeth Edwards was the one running for president, but I’ll settle for her husband if need be.
Unlike you, I have until April to decide. And it may all be over by then anyway.
Agreed, I lean toward Edwards out of this bunch.
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FT Interview Karl Rove: The race for the White House
Tammy, Philadelphia
Karl Rove:
Yes to the first and absolutely yes to the second.
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
Here’s MY conspiracy theory: Rove, Novak et al. fear a Clinton candidacy because they know she has the toughness, experience, and team to handle whatever the GOP throws at her in a general election. And they know that Obama doesn’t have that horrific experience of a brutal race at the national level.
Rove, et al. want to weaken Clinton so they can get Obama to run against.
Which is why they’ve been running against Hillary since 2005…
The only chance that the GOP has is with Clinton as the Democratic nominee – they’d need not spend a penny on GOTV. No way, no how should Hillary be the nominee, especially if the deciding factor is electability.
It’s wonderful to see you around here again. I always seem to agree with you, bless your unruly heart.
Take care of yourself, now. And keep up ALL the good work. Don’t even think of neglecting any therapy.
When he does talk, sometimes it’s to echo the right-wing’s favorite tales, like “the social security sky is falling!!”
those “Obama” issues out. I did not know that about him. MAybe you should go work for Hillary. You write so well and have done your homework.
And that’s just the problem. The majority of the voters out there won’t take the time these things out and will vote for two reasons,,,party and emotions. That is why we constantly hear ALL the candidates triangulate(Hillary being the queen)and “flip-flop”. The candidates will tell you what you want to hear yntil they get elected and then they don’t care what you have to say or want to see happen on the issues. Just loiok what happened after 06 and all the candidates running “against the war” campaigns. Over a year later we are still giving BushCo money to kill.
It’s fabulous to see you back Susan! I’m glad surgery went well and I hope you are dancing in the streets in no time.
Great post!!!!
I think you will be interested in this
I’ve logged in just to say hello to you, Susan, and express my hope for your speedy recovery.
Personally, I’ve got an Edwards’ sticker on my car. Obama is too shallow to me and Hillary is owned by Big Money. Also, the idea of a presidential succession that runs Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton gives me chills.
Look forward to reading more from you.
Hello susan, lovely to see you back. I hope you continue to do well and be as pain free as possible. As for your diary well I think this is the first time I’ve disagreed with something you have written or at least half of it…agree on Obama but am not a Hillary fan at all and that’s putting it mildly. What you wrote about her is true but I think she lost her way(with lots of help from lobbyists and big business) and her ambition to be president just to be president with all that power has overshadowed her desire to do good. I certainly don’t see her as someone who will put regular americans/poor and middle class first.