If you’re a Hillary Clinton for President supporter, do you really want to vote for McCain?
Do you really want to vote for 100 10 5 any more years of this?
Or this?
Do you want more lies from our highest public officials to justify ever more and more wars in the Middle East?
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Do you really want us to continue to be known as a nation of torturers?
Do you really want to be kept in the dark about what information our government is illegally collecting on all of us?
Do you want more Katrinas?
Do you want more of your tax dollars going to support “Disaster Capitalism?”
Do you want more Enrons?
Do you want more of higher gas prices and oil company profits?
Do you want more inaction and lies from our government about the perils of global warming?
Do you want more Supreme Court Justices like this man?
Do you really want Joe Lieberman to remain a serious player in Washington, DC?
Do you want nothing done about the foreclosure crisis?
Do you really want more of politics as usual, the politics of personal destruction?
If so, vote for John McCain.
Otherwise, make a vow today to support the Democratic Party’s nominee, whoever he or she may be. Even if that nominee isn’t Hillary Clinton. Even if that nominee is Barrack Obama. Because the consequences of four more years of a Republican in the White House could be devastating. For all of us.
Thank you.
I don’t know if it was Steven D, or someone else, but I saw a front page diary on Booman Tribune about how the author could not vote for Hillary Clinton in the general if she won the nomination. I don’t remember seeing any push back against that on Booman Tribune.
Once you write a diary like that, you lose all moral authority on the issue of party unity. Once you write a diary like, or even keep silent when others do so, you tell the world that defeating McSame is not your highest priority.
Hillary supporters were given moral authority to walk months ago.
I think they can be won back, but not by diaries such as this. Kill the kittens passive aggression is not going to work.
Only Obama can win these votes back. The best thing Obama supporters can do is show a little respect for Hillary and her supporters. If you have no respect for Hillary, and only patronizing words for her supporters, then blog about other subjects.
Well, I don’t support Hillary Clinton. I saw forst hand her record in the Senate as my Senator. And I never approved of the DLC leadership which appeared to eb the biggest establishment faction which supported her candidacy. Republican Lite was the best that one could say for them. The party of Mr. Carville, Mr. Begala, Mr. Ickes, etc. would be just as bought and paid for as any Republican administration. Hillary could have distanced herself from that wing of the party. She could have made her mea culpas for her Iraq vote like Edwards did. But she didn’t. She embraced the party of NAFTA and triangulation. She could have been a great candidate, but she never gave herself the opportunity. Or didn’t have it in her.
But I don’t think Obama drove Clinton supporters away from him. The Clinton campaign did that through its negative, kitchen sink, play the race card at every opportunity, run Obama down, least common denominator strategy. She was the one who said Obama would be a less qualified commander in chief than bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. She was the one who demonized him to her supporters, claiming he was the elitist while sitting on a 109 million dollar fortune that her husband and she obtained based on his and her celebrity. She was the one who said lobbyists are people too, and told the activists to take a hike.
So I don’t think I need moral authority to ask people what do you want for this country. I know what I want. Maybe some Clinton supporters just want vengeance against Obama for running a better campaign than she did and keeping her from being the first female nominee of a major party to run for President. I want to keep the Republicans from ever getting control of the White House again during th e remainder of my lifetime, and hopefully my children’s lifetimes as well. You decide which of those is a worthier goal.
Not really. Nobody has threatened to vote for McCain no matter how despicable the Clinton campaign has gotten at times. There is a huge difference between being disgusted at the blatant racism of the Clinton campaign to the extent you wouldn’t vote for her and whining about how you’re going to vote for the Republican candidate if you don’t get your way.
Obviously I haven’t read every single diary here during the entirety of the primary season, but honestly I don’t recall any regular front page posters saying absolutely no to voting for Hillary as a general election candidate or saying that McCain would be preferred over Hillary. If I missed it, I would welcome a link. And that’s not to say the a commenter might not have said such a thing. The sense that I have gotten is that it is, by and large, Hillary’s tactics which have been looked on here as profoundly damaging to the party and many feel they have often times have been based on gross misrepresentation of the realities. Most dissatisfaction seems to be based on the tactics, and not the individual. Let me say that this is just the sense that I have gotten from reading every day. I have not statistical data to reference, just my personal impression.
And the questions which were posed in Steven’s video references are entirely legitimate and are questions which would need to be seriously pondered, regardless of the Democratic candidate. Because these questions are truly the reality of the choice we face in November.
There has certainly been a lot of water under the bridge during this primary and there are many very deeply hurt feelings on both sides. As for me, I have been an Obama supporter virtually from the beginning, but even with what has happened, I could not imagine making a decision to vote for McCain over a Hillary Clinton as the Democratic candidate. It would just be so at odds with what we all know needs to be done; a total repudiation and reversal of all the havoc which the Republicans have wrought for the last eight years. For anyone who claims to be a Democrat to lose sight of this at such a critical juncture would have to be truly mad, either mad with rage or just plain crazy.
I said I would never vote for Clinton after South Carolina. And I won’t. Nor for Chelsea either.
But I also said that was just my own personal vote and I would not advocate that other people not vote for her. And I wouldn’t have done that.
But I won’t pull the lever for any candidate that exploits racism. It wasn’t about taking my ball and going home if I couldn’t have my candidate. It was personal. And that’s why I have kept it personal and have not been saying that I wouldn’t or you shouldn’t vote for her.
Fair enough. I missed that comment, I guess. And I understand your personal aspect of it.
One thing which has stood out to me on this blog, in contrast to many of the ardently pro-Hillary blogs, is that I have never really observed the wholesale rabid vilification of individuals who have been pro-Hillary commenters on the site. I have always felt there is a significant focus on discussions of substance as opposed to personal attacks. I’m sure Hillary supporters who reside her would probably disagree with me, but everyone here seems to strive to keep this extremely emotional topic on an even keel and based on substance. While many times people take things very personally, the personal attacks seem to be a rarity. And they are kept in check by the quality of the people residing here.
The pond has always maintained an atmosphere of mutual respect. No one has been personally attacked, nor have invasions of pro-Hillary blogs been launched from the Pond.
Other sites have not followed the pond’s example.
And Booman, you would have done better to have let that diary have gone unwritten, there are plenty of Clinton supporters threatening to stay home, I think we can bring them around, at least if Obama makes the right gestures, but it would be better to have let those diaries go unwritten.
Those who have any concern for progressive policies will vote for the candidate closest to their preferred candidate in the general election. Those who won’t are people we’re better off without, much like the Democratic party is better off without the Dixiecrats.
It insults those many intelligent supporters of Senator Clinton to pretend they are as unreasonable as the lunatic fringe.
Ann Coulter must be disappointed – now she will have to vote for McCain.
Very simply, these video clips together represent what we can call THE STAKES, ladies and gentlemen. That’s the deal. These questions must be asked of the electorate — now and every day until the election.
Take the Democratic candidates themselves — their personalities, their rhetoric, their policy positions, their campaigns, their surrogates and supporters and their arguments in favor of their own electability — out of the equation if you like. What you’re left with is the Democratic Party. It ain’t perfect. But it is the only viable defense against a continuation of the calamitous policies of the last eight years. Those who would say these question are better left unasked, these issues are better left untouched, all for the sake of not offending the delicate, deluded sensibilities of a ledge-dwelling Clinton supporter of any kind are missing the central, overarching issue at hand: THE STAKES.