Nate Silver documented how the left-wing blogosphere launched the AIG bonus story into orbit, much to the detriment of President Obama and the Democratic Party. Which might put the following more in perspective.
Seventy-three years after a white-suited Huey Long was assassinated in Baton Rouge, the iron-fisted Louisiana governor is all the rage in Barack Obama’s Washington. At a time when a crash course in the New Deal has supplanted Watergate studies as the capital’s requisite history lesson, attention is suddenly being paid to the Kingfish, as well as radio priest Father Charles Coughlin, the two leading 1930s tribunes of little-man economic anger. When you sit down with Obama insiders, Long’s name pops up in one conversation, Coughlin’s in the next. “You have to remember,” says one Obama adviser, “Huey Long and left-wing populism were a much bigger problem for Franklin Roosevelt than the Republicans.”
The center of left-wing populism (in the blogosphere, anyway) is Open Left. Some recent samples:
Galbraith Weighs In: Geithner Plan => Looting, Fraud & Renewed Speculation, by Paul Rosenberg
Incompetence Watch: Tim Geithner and Larry Summers Don’t Read the Business Press? by David Sirota
Economic Credibility Gap: Obama Says People Are Angry About AIG, Axelrod Says No One Cares by David Sirota
The front-pagers there appear to be united in calling for Tim Geithner’s resignation after less than two months in the job. Meanwhile, Chris Bowers concludes “Democrats and progressives are screwed if we don’t catch this populist wave.”
The Open Left crew appears to believe that there is a populist wave forming in the country and either we catch that wave or the right-wing will. If Glenn Beck catches our wave, “we’re screwed.”
The problem isn’t so much David Sirota writing this:
If the White House doesn’t get out of the tone deaf D.C. echo chamber and get back on message, my bet is that very soon Republicans’ faux populism that portrays Democrats as part of the problem is going to start getting traction.
As this:
Now today, White House adviser David Axelrod insists nobody cares about AIG ripping off taxpayers. “People are not sitting around their kitchen tables thinking about AIG,” he told the Washington Post.
Look, I get that nobody in Establishment Washington genuinely cares that taxpayers are being ripped off, and I get that the super-wealthy political class from millionaire investment banker Emanuel to millionaire consultant Axelrod to millionaire banker Tim Geithner gives much of a shit that our taxpayer dollars are being used to make new millionaires on Wall Street. But their boss, President Obama, is right: A huge majority of Americans, most of whom are not millionaires, are really angry and [sic] has a right to be angry.
Sirota isn’t making a dispassionate assessment that the Obama administration is making a political miscalculation. He’s making an indictment of the character of the Obama administration and accusing them of putting their class interests ahead of the public good. He’s saying that they are deliberately looting the treasury to make ‘new millionaires’ on Wall Street. It would be hard to do a better emulation of Huey Long’s anti-FDR rhetoric.
One key technique that Long used to win support was the radio. In Louisiana, he had regularly used the radio to campaign and present his policies. (He offered lengthy broadcasts over a New Orleans radio station that mixed his remarks with musical selections.) In 1933 when he first introduced three bills in Congress embodying his ideas on the problem of concentrated wealth, he took the–then–unprecedented step of buying radio time from the National Broadcasting Company (NBC) to speak on behalf of the legislation. As his national recognition (and ambitions) grew, he spoke with increasing frequency to national radio audiences. No politician in this era–except Roosevelt himself–used radio as frequently and as effectively as Long.
The speech included here was from one of his 1935 broadcasts. Typical of Long’s remarks from this period, it includes a litany of charges against Roosevelt and the New Deal (the failure to break up great fortunes, the persistence of unemployment and the growth of indebtedness, for instance), populist attacks on the concentration of wealth in a small number of hands, and proposals to “share” the wealth and provide a homestead and guaranteed income for all as well as old age pensions and a bonus for veterans.
Now, to some degree I do not doubt that the Open Left crew is well-intentioned. They honestly believe that Obama is making mistakes. They think that pushing hard from the left will bring Obama away from the center. But it’s hard to credit remarks like the above from Sirota as well-intentioned. Many people credit Huey Long with having a positive overall influence on FDR because he created political cover for the New Deal as a compromise rather than a series of radical restructurings of American government. But many of the criticisms of Long remain valid, including that he was dishonest and corrupt, that his platform was unrealistic and impractical, and that his demagoguery was somewhat dangerous. Whatever Huey Long was, he was not a political analyst. You wouldn’t have looked to him for the truth about the choices facing the nation or a fair assessment of the job FDR was doing in the White House.
I don’t think it is necessarily progressive to stake out a hard-left position and relentlessly criticize the Obama administration using dishonest rhetoric and ungenerous analysis. I think Al Giordano is a genuine progressive, and I agree with most of the points he has been making in recent days. I also think it is important to listen to Nate Silver’s observations:
What was definitely true in this instance (as is very often the case) is that the blogs (at least the liberal ones) were ahead of the mainstream media in getting after the story; AIG was dominating the blogosphere discussion by midday on Sunday, whereas mainstream media outlets, except for the Times and Post, didn’t really catch up until that evening. On the other hand, the conservative blogs were quite slow in gravitating toward the story, not really focusing upon it until late yesterday morning, in spite of the fact that it had all sorts of potential to be damaging to the Obama administration. Conservative bloggers should probably spend more time reading liberal blogs for story ideas (likewise, liberal bloggers should spend more time reading conservative ones).
What’s remarkable is that a mere two months into Obama’s presidency we have reached a point where conservatives are well-advised to find their anti-Obama talking points by reading liberal blogs. We used to cringe whenever Democrat Joe Lieberman provided this same service to the Republicans. In fact, many of the people currently engaging in the harshest and least generous criticisms of Obama (thereby creating precisely the same kind of bipartisan cover Lieberman is famous for providing) were the most ardent supporters of Ned Lamont.
What’s odd is that I get the sense that none of these liberal bloggers have any sense of irony about this. They think their criticisms are fair and necessary and will serve a progressive purpose in the long-run. But accusing the Obama administration of being in the business of looting the treasury for the purpose of creating new millionaires on Wall Street is hardly fair and necessary.
There is a populist wave of anger in the country and that can provide us with opportunities to regulate the markets, impose higher marginal tax rates, and disempower the insurance and credit industries in ways not normally open to us. There is a place for populist legislation. But that’s not what we’re getting by ignoring analysis in favor of disingenuous advocacy. And there is a difference between the two.
AIG is now using government bailout money to sue the federal government to get tax rebates. And you wonder why people are over the moon on this one?
I find Dave Sirota a terrible person and have for quite some time. But their actions to date have been easily portrayed as largely dominated by ignoring the demands of the citizenry in favor of the wall-street firms. Combine this with Obama not showing to care to listen, economically speaking, about anyone with views farther to the left than himself and I think the onus is on the Obama administration to show they AREN’T looting the treasury to give more money to wall street.
Obviously you find his behavior in dealing with these giant multi-national firms acceptable (by necessity) and some us well, don’t. What is Obama doing in regards to AIG and the process of these bailouts that isn’t making things worse or at least useless? I grant easily that W would could and did make things much worse much faster than Obama ever could even if he were hit on the head but that doesn’t make what he is doing right OR effective. And if what is politically feasible is NOT enough? Then he has to be prepared to do it anyway.
Because money is fungible, anything AIG spends money on can be construed as using taxpayer money. That is also true for every other firm that has accepted public money.
Unlike most other firms, AIG is now owned by the people. We are now the majority shareholders. And we ought to act like majority shareholders. That means, it is in our interests for AIG to make money so that we can get paid back. Considering this reality, we need to take a step back and consider what will make AIG’s assets more valubable and salable.
The last week of outrage, whatever the merits, has not been helpful in these regards.
That’s the point .. AIG is toast .. it was before this whole bonus stuff started .. so the whole brouha didn’t make a difference .. you did read that AIG is on the hook for 1.5 Trillion in CDS and other toxic assets .. right?
saying AIG is ‘toast’ is another example of oversimplifying. Reality is more complicated:
I believe I made the same argument yesterday.
Thanks, Booman. What is your current take on Geitner?
i.e. Geithner
I think he’s overworked and that he is not media-savvy or particularly sympathetic as a personality. I think he’s politically tone-deaf and hasn’t served the president as well as he should. And I think he’s probably making some substantive policy errors, too. He has real weaknesses. I also think a lot of the criticism he is receiving is pretty lazy and presumptuous.
You mean it is unfair to label Geithner as a tool of Wall Street?
think about the words you just used. ‘Tool’ has positive and negative connotations.
He was the NY Fed chief .. which means he knows where all the bodies are buried(or at least should) .. but he isn’t working for the banks anymore .. he is working for the American taxpayer
Sorry, but I agree w/Open Left as well. All of Obama’s potential good works might be vaporized by his incompetent economic team.
Where is Volcker? Where is Krugman? Where is Galbraith?
Geithner, Summers, & Rubin CREATED this mess and now we’re supposed to trust them to fix it?!?!?
I will not be “Good German” and keep my mouth shut. Geithner and Summers need to go. Yesterday.
Nobody is asking anyone to shut their mouths. Booman was asking people to think before they spoke (or in this case. typed). Apparently for some people, that is too onerous a burden.
I’ve seen this fear pop up on the LW blogs, and I think it’s a valid point. But as we saw yesterday, the GOP is trapped between their fealty to ‘free market principles’ as aspoused by the money class of goopers and the populist anger of the remaining set. Hence their 50/50 vote on the bonus clawbacks yesterday. They are seemingly in no great hurry to catch this wave, and so the dire predictions on the left are, so far, wrong.
So, what’s really behind the anti-Obama talking points on the left? As far as I can tell, it’s all about Geithner. It’s been almost 24/7 at TPM, Eschaton, Americablog, HuffPost, etc etc etc. I could be very wrong about this, but it seems to start with Krugman and then runs down and around and around and around from there.
Specifically, it seems to go back to Obama not nationalizing the banks the way Krugman, et al want Obama to do. Their theory is that Timmah is a corporate whore(couched in nicer language, usually) and Obama is a naive waif who isn’t getting contrary views.
Yesterday, TPM dropped Volcker’s name, and then in a subsequent post said that ‘changes in personnel’ may be necessary. Yet, Volcker does chair Obama’s economic panel and met with Obama last week. I don’t think that Volcker is some sort of wallflower that would fail to offer his candid advice in such a meeting.
I honestly feel that these people are well-intentioned, if politically very naive, and they honestly feel that TG is leading Obama down the road to ruin and just want to stop it. But as usual, they offer no alternative, just continuous, transparent, ham-handed blasts. They apparently see no possible political downside to Obama firing his Tsec 50 days in. Duh. Plus, they assume that Obama would hire someone more friendly to nationalization and outside of any possible corporate taint. Good luck with that. (And I should add that Summers has to go for these people, too.) Again, they seem to think that Obama is naive and not getting good, diverse advice, which is something I just do not buy.
I don’t have a problem with giving TG 6 months or so in the job to see how he’s doing, how the plans are working, and to help get Obama’s budget priorities thru and running. But until then, it would be a far greater disaster to fire him then to keep him on.
Well, Summers=Rubin=Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act=AIG/Goldman Sachs fiasco=Geithner=Summers=Rubin
That’s the basic formula. It’s not without merit, but it strikes me as overly simplistic. Geithner is assumed to be nothing but a Rubin disciple and none of these guys are allowed to have learned anything from the last ten years of history. Geithner, who has made a good living but never went for the really big bucks, is condemned by association with the fat cats.
I agree he should be given more time (and a full staff) before we call for his head. I also think it is unhelpful for the left to beat up on him relentlessly. He could actually fail because he has so little support, rather than because of any substantive mistakes he makes.
I don’t think there is anything wrong with critiquing his decisions. But people are gunning for his head irrespective of his decisions.
“Geithner, who has made a good living but never went for the really big bucks, is condemned by association with the fat cats. “
Exactly. It’s a nasty personal smear, because in his professional life in public service he never did go for the gigabucks he could have easily earned in the private sector. Yesterday it went so far as to proclaim that TG’s NY house being up for sale for 1.6M was proof of his distance from working class concerns.
This is picking up even more steam, judging by the crawls at the bottom of my msnbc screen, just as Obama is trying to get some traction on his budget…you know, the budget filled with Liberal wet dreams. Nice job.
“I agree he should be given more time (and a full staff) before we call for his head.”
I wish that would happen, but the Left is hell bent on seeing him go after 7 weeks. They want a person with a magic pony. Assemble the circular firing squad.
maybe don’t really want to be team players and help Obama succeed. more concerned to self-promote, grandstand and stew in outrage.
If anyone thinks that taking out TG is going to result in Joseph Stiglitz becoming Treasury Secretary, they are going to be sadly, sadly mistaken. Geithner is about as left-wing a person as the Senate Republicans will allow in that post.
And the other thing is Obama himself isn’t a leftist. I’d call him a left-pragmatist.
But I’d also guess that the left blogosphere is populated by people like me that are far, far left of the mainstream…certainly in the leftmost 5% range.
I just don’t understand the hysteria, the venom. Obama is out trying to sell an incredible budget of riches for liberals, and the whole week gets stomped on by this populist bullshit/get timmeh that’s been whipped into a frenzy by the blogosphere. The Obama admin is even gone so far as to leak they may ram this thru the senate with 50 votes, something that I would have thought a dream.
Yet, all they do is bitch and moan and whip up animosity.
“I don’t think there is anything wrong with critiquing his decisions. But people are gunning for his head irrespective of his decisions.”
Who are you talking about (other than Sirota)? I see a lot of economists that are close to calling for his resignation, but it’s entirely based on their conclusions that he’s incapable of offering anything other than the one solution he’s been offering since the beginning. Links?
You are right to say that the Obama criticism on the left is because of Geithner, but you are wrong to imply that criticism of Geithner has been irrational or kneejerk. Geithner was given a chance, and he’s brought this criticism on.
I don’t recall a lot of people expressing disgust with Geithner when he was nominated. I remember some vague concerns about his closeness to the Wall Street crowd etc, but ultimately I recall everyone on the left simply saying “well, it’s Obama’s show, and Geithner is just there to execute the strategy.” That’s been the logic behind a lot of Obama’s more, uh, debatable nominations.
But then when it came time for Obama to announce his plan for banking reform, he quickly and immediately made clear that his man Geithner would be the one running the show. When Obama at least appeared to essentially outsource banking reform to Geithner, that’s when Krugman, Duncan Black, and other economists started to clear their throats with concern. And, most importantly, since that time Geithner has done nothing to convince these economists that he understands the situation and is willing to do whatever it takes to fix it.
The essential problem is receivership/nationalization of insolvent banks. Geithner and Obama are adamantly against it, seemingly no matter what the situation dictates, and that means they have restricted themselves from the most efficient and inevitable solution. It makes them look incompetent, impotent, and in the case of Geithner, hopelessly conflicted.
Sirota’s been on this track since before the election. He’s why I no longer open Open Left. It’s like some kind of lefty/liberal notion of heroism to step out front and echo GOP/wingnut talking points against the only people and institutions that have some power to advance the kind of change we claim to want. Sirota pretty clearly sees himself as the heir apparent to that band of heroes. Too bad the content of that pseudo-populism echoes OReilly or The Star more than it does Paul Wellstone or Harper’s.
That said, I think it’s misdirection to blame populism or outrage for the political jockeying it enables. I think both have been long, long, overdue in US society. The magnitude of our economic collapse and the criminality behind it are too huge to understand or even react to as a whole, so we focus on a small slice of the apple and give it symbolic power. The bonuses won’t help or hurt the big picture, but they are potent symbols of the level of betrayal, greed and incompetence that brought us here, and the emptiness of all the Great American Myths about how we’re in good hands with all the economic/political class.
It’s crucial for everybody to remember that our current mess is not some “act of God” or some inplacable fate called “economic cycles”. It is a human-made result of shameless deception, recklessness, and criminality by the people and institutions we entrusted with our economic well-being, whether they are on Wall Street, Main Street, or DC. There is no amount of populist outrage appropriate to the outrages that the economic/political class has inflicted.
But that outrage will only bring change if we get beyond it and direct it at the core economic/political dogmas that have put our betrayers in power for so long. If, in other words, we shine its light on our entire economic system with nothing off-limits. Using the outrage to attack Obama at this juncture, on the other hand, is as counterproductive as it is ridiculous.
I also echo a point made by Al. I watched both CA townhall meetings…not a single question from the audiences about the bonuses.
Now, you would think if this is the issue that the media and blogs are making it up to be, Obama would have fielded question after question.
I seem to recall Obama making comments in his speech about the AIG bonuses. Perhaps that’s why no one asked about it?
Every now and then I get this somewhat patronizing tone from Booman. “STFU- if you’re angry and Republicans are agreeing with you then you’re wrong.” I remember Booman lecturing us about opposing TARP back in the fall…and as it turned out, supporting TARP was such a fantastic idea.
It strikes me that when it comes to economic policy, Booman always wants to turn it towards a crass political calculation, and pretend that there is no empirically wise course. As if opposing a Dem-supported economic proposal is always a bad idea because it will always “give Republicans cover.”
But opposing taxpayer-funded bonuses to failing and already-rich executives at a government-owned entity seems like a good idea, empirically. And plenty of well-regarded economists are pretty much fed up with Geithner, regardless of David Sirota’s shrieking. For emphasis: the opposition to the AIG bonuses and the dissatisfaction with Geithner is generally well-intentioned, knowledgeable, and diverse, and to paint David Sirota and OpenLeft as the champions of this vast group is disingenuous and ignorant.
If recovering the bonuses or firing Geithner are good ideas, who cares if Republicans agree? Booman doesn’t say, because Booman would rather demonize the more shrill among us than debate the actual merits of AIG’s bonuses or Geithner. Yes, I find David Sirota tiresome too, but that doesn’t mean I reflexively disagree with him just because he uses words I never would.
I resent the implication that opposing a bad idea is akin to giving Republicans cover or enabling the next Lieberman. You have made little attempt to actually debate the merits of recovering the bonuses or firing Geithner, which tells me you either don’t know or don’t care what they are. I suspect it’s the former (because of how blithely you supported TARP), but I fear it’s the latter.
First of all, opposing TARP was just politically stupid at the time. It was substantively stupid. Many people simply didn’t believe that the credit markets had seized up and that the major banks and financial services corps were in total free-fall. We needed immediate, drastic, and expensive intervention. Any problems with TARP have to do with transparency and implementation, but not in the need for massive intervention. In fact, the argument now is that the intervention is insufficient, that we need much more stimulus, and that widespread nationalization of these firms is urgently needed. No one is arguing anymore that we don’t have a huge financial catastrophe on our hands. No one is suggesting this is all drummed up as an election trick or a way for Bushies to steal money on the way out the door. There were some people making valid arguments about transparency in the original TARP. They were right to complain but we ultimately had to pass the bill and it was foolish to suggest otherwise.
Next you treat the AIG bonuses as some big reward for wrongdoing coming from the taxpayers. But, in fact, they were payments for services (salary for 2008, basically) for people who would have otherwise left instead of helping to wind down their businesses. It turned out that that money had to be paid after AIG had been forced to admit defeat and accept public money. In that sense, the money is taxpayer money, but it isn’t money being paid for performance. It is compensation for work rendered and it was all contractual in nature. We could have forced AIG into bankruptcy and put the bonus money behind all other creditors. Maybe we should have. But you don’t make a decision like that once you own 80% of the company based on a couple hundred million dollars. You make that decision based on the best way to protect the value of AIG’s assets.
Is it a good idea to recover the bonuses? Not really. It’s politically expedient but the way Congress is doing it is very problematic. Mainly, it’s a bad idea for progressives to get all worked up about it and throw fuel on a faux-populist fire. It is already burning us.
Should Geithner be fired? I don’t think so. But he does need to start doing a better job as a spokesman for the administration.
Many people simply didn’t believe that the credit markets had seized up and that the major banks and financial services corps were in total free-fall. We needed immediate, drastic, and expensive intervention. Any problems with TARP have to do with transparency and implementation, but not in the need for massive intervention.
But there in lies the problem. TARP was so rushed, and since Republicans were going to be implementing it at the time that transperency and implementation would be a huge problem. And it would be pretty hard to fix once TARP was passed.
yes. that was the choice facing us, wasn’t it?
But, as I argued at the time, we had no choice but to pass the bill. Fighting for the best bill possible, pointing out potential pitfalls, etc., was all good and smart. But then there was a vote. We would be in a lot worse shape if Congress had found itself incapable of appropriating funds because the bill was flawed.
IIRC, your support for TARP was conditional on a whole bunch of things being true. Your support for TARP was based on a stipulation of things that were at best debatable and at worst laughable, given the Bush Admin’s record of oversight and competence.
Your support for TARP was Friedman-esque, IMO. ‘I’ll only support it if X, Y, and Z are true, those things are most likely not true, therefore I support TARP.’
But TARP is just another example of your desire to morph an economic policy discussion into a debate on political tactics. It’s inappropriate and unwise in the long term…which is what TARP (and support for it) turned out to be.
Thank you for this post. I couldn’t agree more.
Whatever happened to the Overton Window, Booman? How can we advocate for an Economic policy to the left of the one pushed by Obama’s economic team without being accused of undercutting Obama and giving the Republicans ammunition? When Republicans try to distance themselves from the fringes of the party, they are quickly silenced. And the Republicans have been able to shift the debate to the right over the past few decades. In the meantime, when Democrats who represent the views of a large percentage of the Democratic Party, as well as mainstream Americans, can’t even critique some part of the President’s plan as too conservative.
Did I say you can’t criticize him? Or did I say that suggesting that he is deliberately looting the treasury to make new Wall Street millionaires was unfair and unhelpful?
Let me know the answer.
have worked the streets for the poor and working class? Are they themselves part of the elite Ivy-league crowd?
I’m just curious.
As Obama’s life makes clear, you can be both.
Well he wasn’t born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
I ask because some people act like he’s simply an elite who really only cares for elites. But that’s demonstrably untrue so I wonder if they’re doing a little projecting and/or are wholly unfamiliar with the kind of person who works the streets for the people.
I agree with Sirota that there is a populist wave and anger in America today that the Democrats appear oblivious to. But I strongly disagree that the Republicans are capable of getting a toe in the water. They are too deeply associated with causing the problems we face today.
I also don’t see Americans turning to the anti regulation Libertarians since the core problem in the American economy is the abandonment of responsible regulation in the past twenty-eight years.
What I see as more possible but unrecognized is a bi-forcation where many Americans burrow down into a deep apathy while other turn angrily away from the party politics that has become more important than actually solving problems. For both of the dominance parties.