What I’m basically getting from this Herman Cain thing is that he likes to get his drink on. And, apparently, once he has his drink on, he’s not too smooth with the ladies.
When [Sharon] Bialek and Cain were returning from dinner, Bialek said Cain made inappropriate advances in a parked car.
“He put his hand on my leg, under my skirt, and reached for my genitals,” Bialek said. “He also grabbed my head and pushed it toward his crotch.”
How about a kiss first, buddy?
Hell, I don’t even know if these allegations are true, but they are starting to add up.
And it’s painting a pretty ugly picture about how Herman Cain treats women.
Hell, I don’t even know if these allegations are true, but they are starting to add up.
The higher they add up, the higher Cain seems to go in the polls. Tells you a lot about the GOP. Just look at Rusty Limpballs today.
i presume you felt the same way about Dem’s support of Bill Clinton?
that’s a bit unfair. They were trying to impeach Clinton over petty crimes arising from adultery. Of course, it’s true that he might have actually been guilty of exposing himself to Paula Jones or roughing up Juannita Broderick, but their credibility on attacking Clinton was something approaching zero. The woman who made the allegation against Cain yesterday is a Tea Partier. This isn’t a coordinated campaign to destroy a Republican by the Democrats. We’d love to see him nominated.
These Clinton women were no doubt dragged into the limelight by GOP opportunists, but most of the women were, by my recollection, working for the Clinton cause.
As for Cain’s accusers, one is a longtime govt. employee, now in the Treasury doing tax work… Job would be eliminated likely under 9/9/9. After Cain she also complained demanding self-gain:
This Sharon Bialek also has a checkered / desperate financial past with jobs always ending early and always being the fault of the employer, many with accusations, etc. Even saw a quote from someone who knows her who thinks of her as an infectious personality, very affable and nice on one hand, but that she has always been a gold digger.
Just saying this is far from purely innocent accusers so far. Again, not defending Cain. I have very little respect for most who aspire to politicians since they tend to love power and the trappings they think come with it, which is primarily rooted in the belief that they have the authority to force their / others wills onto those who lose elections, or in the case of Executive Orders, by FIAT.
To my recollection, the best the Clinton team could do to undermine the accusations was to say there were demands for money involved (“You never know what you’ll find when you drag a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park” — James Carville). I think only the original Clinton accuser, Paula Jones, ended up writing a book long after the fact, well after getting the “slut opportunist” label from the Clinton defense team.
Were they gold diggers too? Maybe. But my comment is rooted in let’s not be hypocrites going forward. Caine may be a rapist for all we know, and these women right. Clinton was accused of rape by several women with the State Troopers at his door, and too many on the social left (where I am) totally ignored this because Clinton was their guy and because we ALL agreed Bush I needed to go.
This is only happening because of the liberal media. You know, like Politico.
Personal character: yet one more reason I’m so satisfied with my Obama vote, and will cheerily vote for him again.
More like he needs to stop assaulting women. If the charges are true, it’s not sexual harassment as originally thought — it’s straight up sexual assault.
And I don’t doubt these charges at all. Sexual predators are rarely a one-time thing; it’s almost always a pattern.
when you have no moves, you start out with sexual assault. Sounds to me like he has a few drinks and then makes crude and unwelcome and awkward advances on women who haven’t even given him signals of interest. The man should learn to get rejected without creating a law suit or a potential criminal complaint.
Nope, sorry, sounds like an excuse to me. I know you’re not excusing his piggish behavior, but by saying, “Guys with no game who know of no other way to get with women just assault women,” you’re indirectly excusing it.
This wasn’t an advance. “You want this job don’t you?” isn’t an advance. Sitting on the couch with someone after a date and cupping her breast is an advance, and could very well be just as much assault as this. It’s still a by-product of a patriarchal society, but it’s a lot more innocent — especially after a date if the signals are there, she may have wanted you to. What Cain’s behavior shows is that he views women as shit, a man who can go around getting ass anyway he wants because of his status.
no. see a man who get get women any time he wants because of his status doesn’t have any reason to behave like Cain. Cain thinks he should be that privileged but he has clue how to act. That’s why he’s left a trail of pissed off women who didn’t just reject him but were seriously offended.
Yes, he is disrespectful and manipulative. But it’s probably 90% a lack of self-confidence with women. He has no moves, no repartee, no real connection. So he’s crude and grabby.
No. He’s lived too long and attended too many business meetings regarding sexual harassment policies and/or litigation.
If he’s awkward with women, he figured that out long ago. Apparently, after deciding to stray outside his marriage, he did nothing to deal with his problematic technique (some wealthy men prefer escorts/hookers or hire procurers to avoid publicity and legal problems).
His financial success gave him the ability to lord it over men (only speak to me when you’re spoken to) and women alike. His arrogant and unfeeling declaration that if you’re unemployed you should blame yourself revealed his basic cruelty.
He is an abusive person and there is NO justification for a 50+ year old man groping a woman he just met (who is with you ONLY because mutual friends suggested that you could help her find work!). Did he expect his privilege to neuter the “awkward” implications of his very direct question: ‘you want the job, don’t you?’
This guy is another mean, crude horndog GOoPer (ala Gingrich) and I feel sorry for his no doubt mortified wife.
you’re right about all of that. And I offer no excuse for his behavior whatsoever. There are millions of men who are shy or awkward around women who don’t act disrespectfully towards them, and wouldn’t even if they had the power to get away with it.
Herman Cain appears to be creep with a cruel streak. Not a good combo.
Describes 90% of conservatives. And 99.9% of the 1%
Nailed it. Thanks! 🙂
Where there’s smoke there’s fire, most likely.
Question: how many of you here were similarly concerned for the many women dropping out of the trees that had similar if not worse accusations about Bill Clinton?
Clinton was supposedly notorious for using the State Police to bring women around, and actually had females left and right claiming they’d been “trapped” in his room and were subject to forced kisses, lip bites, etc. with the State Police at the door. Yet my recollection was that the Left totally disregarded these as manufactured or, more often the case, irrelevant. Even the power play of using pop-star power to take advantage of starry-eyed interns as quick release toys never got some of the derogatory “unfit horn-dog” type comments from the left.
Or what of Gingrich? Yeah, he’s a total, laughable hypocrite with all his morality talk. But aren’t defenders / ignorer-of-Clinton hypocrites just the same?
Not defending Caine in any way. Probably a scum like so many in power. Or Newt.
There was only one woman who ever accused Clinton of using force, like Cain, and Willey was not terrible credible.
There was a great deal of “smoke” surrounding Clinton for cheating on his wife with willing women, but that’s a rather different matter.
Clinton was supposedly notorious… Hmm, let me run that through the wingnut translator: “This one political operative made a claim that…”
and actually had females left and right claiming they’d been “trapped” in his room and were subject to forced kisses, lip bites, etc. with the State Police at the door
Name one. One woman who went public with a claim that this happened when Clinton was Governor. One.
Like last month when at a conservative talk show he asked a woman “Darling, can you doctor up my tea for me?” The host, a conservative, was very uncomfortable. I myself cannot imagine saying such words to a staffer that was helping me. I work with a lot of women. First, saying “Darling” to ANYONE in a professional place is simply incredible. Second “doctor my tea”?
The guy is a pig.
Folks need to say nein, nein, nein to Herman Cain.
this is totally inappropriate, but the first thing I thought of when I saw the 4th accuser was this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGQ-ISsDm8M
is it wrong that I thought this first?
I don’t know. I laughed when I clicked the link, so am I wrong too?
Seriously though, I think it’s interesting how people are overtly stepping around the fact that the woman was white and I suspect now that all the women were probably white.
Who doesn’t believe that if the woman/women were Black that the Repubs would find a way to disregard the “welfare queens” or the “angry Black Lady” from smearing Herman Cain.
Obama is lucky he’s getting such a flawed group of candidates to work with. Even so, he’ll have his hands full with a flake like Romney.
Yeah, he’s the luckiest man on the face of the Earth….
I guess Herman Cain has a “Jobs Plan” after all…
“Well, you want a job, don’t you?”
Well, that is what 99% of management wants from us, metaphorically speaking.
wondering about the impact of the fact that she is white.
Cain so resembles Clarence Thomas – very gracious of Ginni Thomas to bring up the resemblance.
Anyway, in my assessment, crudely hitting on women is part of bitterness, cruelty and total self loathing – trying to make himself feel like something after totally selling himself out early in his life.