Sometimes I feel like our country has simply airbrushed out our Jim Crow history. We act like we’ve been absolved of all guilt, as if we didn’t run a third of our country like a South African-apartheid state for nearly a full century. We forget that we were competing with the Soviets for hearts and minds in the Third World while we were treating blacks as subhuman here at home. It was a problem that had to be fixed. Asking nicely wasn’t working. Relying on the Supreme Court’s moral guidance wasn’t working. We finally created sufficient congressional will to do away with Jim Crow in 1964. We created voting rights in 1965. We created housing rights in 1968. The federal government had to do those things because the states could not generate the political will to do it themselves. But look at what Ron Paul had to say about this in 2004:
“[T]he forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty,” he wrote. “The federal government has no legitimate authority to infringe on the rights of private property owners to use their property as they please and to form (or not form) contracts with terms mutually agreeable to all parties.”
What Rep. Paul is saying here is that a private businessperson should be able to deny service, housing, or employment to someone based on their own prejudices and hatreds. At the very least, he is saying that the federal government has no constitutional authority to regulate these kinds of transactions. I don’t believe he would support individual states regulating the transactions either, although he might see that as legally permissible.
It shouldn’t be a surprise that a lot of people didn’t like integration. A lot of people didn’t like letting black people vote. They didn’t like sharing public spaces with them. They didn’t like hiring them or working with them. They didn’t like having them move into the neighborhood or go to schools with their children. They didn’t want to treat them as fully human and fully equal. Why would any of this surprise us? If those attitudes weren’t pervasive in our society, we wouldn’t have had any need for civil rights, voting rights, and housing rights bills.
People who didn’t like the end of Jim Crow naturally resented the Federal Government for ending Jim Crow, and they developed an ideology to explain why what the government had done was wrong. It was unconstitutional. It violated people’s inalienable rights. Similar arguments were used to justify slavery and to oppose federal civil rights legislation. But the former arguments were made in overtly racist terms. Here, for example, is Sen. Stephen Douglas, speaking during the first Lincoln-Douglas debate.
I ask you, are you in favor of conferring upon the negro the rights and privileges of citizenship? (“No, no.”) Do you desire to strike out of our State Constitution that clause which keeps slaves and free negroes out of the State, and allow the free negroes to flow in, (“never,”) and cover your prairies with black settlements? Do you desire to turn this beautiful State into a free negro colony, (“no, no,”) in order that when Missouri abolishes slavery she can send one hundred thousand emancipated slaves into Illinois, to become citizens and voters, on an equality with yourselves? (“Never,” “no.”) If you desire negro citizenship, if you desire to allow them to come into the State and settle with the white man, if you desire them to vote on an equality with yourselves, and to make them eligible to office, to serve on juries, and to adjudge your rights, then support Mr. Lincoln and the Black Republican party, who are in favor of the citizenship of the negro. (“Never, never.”) For one, I am opposed to negro citizenship in any and every form. (Cheers.) I believe this Government was made on the white basis. (“Good.”) I believe it was made by white men for the benefit of white men and their posterity for ever, and I am in favor of confining citizenship to white men, men of European birth and descent, instead of conferring it upon negroes, Indians, and other inferior races. (“Good for you.” “Douglas forever.”)
And a little more:
Mr. Lincoln, following the example and lead of all the little Abolition orators, who go around and lecture in the basements of schools and churches, reads from the Declaration of Independence, that all men were created equal, and then asks, how can you deprive a negro of that equality which God and the Declaration of Independence awards to him? He and they maintain that negro equality is guarantied by the laws of God, and that it is asserted in the Declaration of Independence. If they think so, of course they have a right to say so, and so vote. I do not question Mr. Lincoln’s conscientious belief that the negro was made his equal, and hence is his brother, (laughter,) but for my own part, I do not regard the negro as my equal, and positively deny that he is my brother or any kin to me whatever. (“Never.” “Hit him again,” and cheers.)
That was 1858. Not much had changed by 1948, when Strom Thurmond ran for president as a Dixiecrat, saying:
“I wanna tell you, ladies and gentlemen, that there’s not enough troops in the army to force the Southern people to break down segregation and admit the nigger race into our theaters, into our swimming pools, into our homes, and into our churches.”
Did anyone seriously think that these kinds of attitudes could be legislated out of existence? Or that a significant number of people wouldn’t resent the Federal Government for sending in enough troops to force the Southern people to break down segregation? Naturally, those attitudes persisted. But they persisted in less overtly racist ways. Ron Paul’s newsletters occasionally delved into the former style, but that’s more of a slip-up than a regular practice. People know better these days than to say white people are a superior race. The coded way to say that is to insist that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was an unconstitutional overreach that actually made race relations worse.
Because, you know, under Jim Crow, race relations were just fine.
You can go to any number of racist forums, today or in the archives, and find lively discussion of the merits of Ron Paul, who is usually assumed to be “one of us.”
“Everybody, all of us back in the 80′s and 90′s, felt Ron Paul was, you know, unusual in that he had actually been a Congressman, that he was one of us and now, of course, that he has this broad demographic–broad base of support,” Mr. Black said on his broadcast yesterday.
Mr. Black is a former Klansman and member of the American Nazi Party who founded the “white nationalist” website Stormfront in 1995. He donated to Mr. Paul in 2007 and has been photographed with the candidate. Mr. Paul has vocal supporters in Stormfront’s online forum. Mr. Black has repeatedly said he doesn’t currently think Mr. Paul is a “white nationalist.”
Don Black doesn’t think Ron Paul is “currently” a white nationalist, but it doesn’t matter much because his policies and positions haven’t changed at all since the 1980’s and 1990’s. Black still supports him, as does David Duke, on the grounds that Ron Paul’s policies are hostile to Israel.
“Again, I go back to that, you know, traditional topic that I always talk about, you know, the powers of international Zionism–a power in banking, a power in media, a power in government influence, in campaign finance–a power that’s, you know, hurting the values of this country on behalf of Israel,” Mr. Duke said. “So, I would vote for Ron Paul at this moment because he’s one of the few candidates who have policies in this regard and this realm that I wholeheartedly support, and that’s why I’d vote for him.”
Ron Paul refuses to disavow these kind of supporters, Nazis and Klansmen, making lame excuses like this:
“I’ll go to anybody who I think I can convert to change their viewpoints — so that [Holocaust-denying] would be to me incidental,” he said. “I’m always looking at converting people to look at liberty the way I do.”
The ideology of Ron Paul grew organically from Jim Crow dead-enders who felt, and still feel that this is a white nation under threat.
Mr. Black of Stormfront said the newsletters helped make him a Ron Paul supporter. “That was a big part of his constituency, the paleoconservatives who think there are race problems in this country,” Mr. Black said.
“We understand that Paul is not a white nationalist, but most of our people support him because of his stand on issues,” Mr. Black said. “We think our race is being threatened through a form of genocide by assimilation, meaning the allowing in of third-world immigrants into the United States.”
You never know what is in someone’s heart or when they might have a change of heart. It’s not that Ron Paul necessarily has any antipathy for black people. It’s that he’s managed to become the figurehead for neo-confederates, and leave the strong impression that he is a fellow-traveler with Klansmen, Nazis, Holocaust deniers, and white nationalists of all stripes. He never disavows their support. He always gives them just enough of a wink and a nod to keep them onboard.
While there are plenty of things that Ron Paul says that I agree with, you cannot lie down with a dog and not get fleas.


Booman,
there is a saying in my community when someone shows a side of themselves that you haven’t seen before and we say their “showing their ass…”
Well one thing this liberal fascination/love affair with Ron Paul has done is have alot of people who I consider reasonable to completely “show their ass”. People like Maddow, Stewart, Chris Hayes and Greenwald who just seems too willing to excuse Paul if not blatant, then overtly racist positions and commentary. This is not old defense for Paul that people can say was a past statement, Paul again re-interated his disdain for the Civil Rights Act on Sunday.
Yesterday, Ta-Nehisi Coates tweets from yesterday were outrageous, but it sorta brought home how ridiculous it is to completely ignore Ron Paul’s racist rantings just because he’s anti-war or something.
A few of TNC’s tweets:
“Ron Paul slams the 1964 Civil Rights Act. It’s OK because he’s against the drug war”
“For the record “I’m against the drug war” has officially replaced “I have a black friend.”
“”I think lynching is just swell-but too be clear I oppose crack/cocaine disparities.”
Perhaps you’ve seen something I haven’t, but I think there’s a big difference between what Maddow, Hayes, and Stewart have done – praise specific aspects of Ron Paul’s message and personality – and what Greenwald just did, which is to draw a positive vision of Ron Paul in total.
no offense BooMan, but FUCK what he said in 2004.
how about what he said YESTERDAY:
Despite recent accusations of racism and homophobia, Republican presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) stuck to his libertarian principles on Sunday, criticizing the historic Civil Rights Act of 1964 because it “undermine[d] the concept of liberty” and “destroyed the principle of private property and private choices.”
“If you try to improve relationships by forcing and telling people what they can’t do, and you ignore and undermine the principles of liberty, then the government can come into our bedrooms,” Paul told Candy Crowley on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “And that’s exactly what has happened. Look at what’s happened with the PATRIOT Act. They can come into our houses, our bedrooms our businesses … And it was started back then.”
http://bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2012/01/ron-paul-bashes-civil-rights-act.html
No attempt to square that with his position on DOMA — or more accurately his positions — I take it?
Look, the guy’s just this generation’s Gerald L.K. Smith. A crank.
Paul’s concept of “freedom” and “liberty” seems largely negative – it’s the freedom to oppress (which is really what the whole ‘states rights’ vibe of Paul’s rhetoric seems to amount to). I know that there are Paul apologists who will start saying that Paul’s ideas of freedom are derived from the Austrian school of economics (think Hayek), and Ayn Rand. But really, what kind of ‘freedom’ were they advocating? It was something that a guy who was hardly a ‘leftist’ in any meaningful sense of the term, Karl Polanyi saw as negative:
‘…the freedom to exploit one’s fellows,or the freedom to make inordinate gains without commensurable service to the community, the freedom to keep technological inventions from being used for public benefit, or the freedom to profit from public calamities secretly engineered for private advantage.’ (from Polanyi’s book ‘The Great Transformation’ – cited in David Harvey’s book ‘A Brief History of Neoliberalism’)
I mention TNC because TNC is far from an O-bots and think whole Paul thing is really pissing off alot of the black blog I read. Once the Paul campaign runs it’s course a lot of them I bet won’t soon forget how easy some white liberal bloggers excused the racism inherent in those Paul newsletter.
I don’t understand why David Duke thinks Paul would be hostile to Israel. Paul wouldn’t be hostile to Israel at all. He’d just tell them that they’re on their own. Not sure how this is hostile to Israel, especially when he supported their bombing of Iraq in 1981.
cutting off all foreign aid to Israel would not be considered a hostile act?
Well, not hostile like bombing Israel would be.
Why don’t you ask some Israelis whether they’d feel a bit of hostility if America suddenly cut $3 billion out of their budget.
But we have an historical example. Go read about Poppy Bush and Israel’s aid.
No, that’s not a hostile act. It’s common sense. A hostile act would be to give them the sanctions that they deserve.
Oh, come on. If this was, say, people on home heating aid who Ron Paul wanted to cut off, you wouldn’t be arguing that it’s not hostile to do so.
Arguing “But Israel deserves to be cut off,” while perhaps legitimate, doesn’t exactly disprove the existence of hostility.
Those aren’t comparable. People need that money for home-heating. It’d be like cutting off money for farming subsidies. They might make our food cheaper, but they distort prices so that we’re buying food that’s not good for us, and crowds out competition from other countries (which further impoverishes them).
This is like saying Obama’s hostile to business…it’s ridiculous.
I think where David Duke’s support comes in is from Paul’s railing against the Federal Reserve, and because David Duke is someone who equates Jew with Zionist (as he’s an outspoken antisemite). Thus, it’s not that Paul would be hostile to Israel, but that Paul would be hostile towards what Duke perceives to be a Jewish handle on our media and financial system.
I think David Duke’s statement speaks for itself without much need for parsing.
Thanks for posting on this. One problem is that White ppl know nothing about Reconstruction and the inception of Jim Crow. The white out of USA history of that period is so overwhelming, not sure how to remedy it, but for starters Booker T. Washington’s Up From Slavery and bios of W.E.B. duBois and Frederick Douglass should be required reading.
correction: should read “most White ppl know nothing about reconstruction etc
I’d also recommend the more contemporary writings of African Existentialist philosopher Lewis R. Gordon, who has applied Sartre’s concept of bad faith to the problem of racism. Thankfully, he seems to write with an eye to a lay audience (which would include folks like me) as well as to an academic audience.
Yes, also much contemporary writing to be read. Here I’m concerned about gaining knowledge of Reconstruction and the history of Jim Crow – that’s why I recommend autobiography and biography of the period, the concept and consequences of Uplift, etc
Man, this is really a new low for you, Booman. Must be getting desperate, eh? Tomorrow is going to tell an interesting tale.
Once again, here is Ron Paul’s plainly spoken…and consistent…take on racism.
And you quote the virulent racist Stephen Douglas in an attempt to tar Ron Paul with the same brand?
Nice.
Then you run this tired game. You quote Ron Paul…again, speaking very plainly…
And then you presume to tell us what he “really” means?
No, that’s not what he said.
Then you backtrack a little.
Yes, that is what he said. But then you presume even more with your own God-like omniscience…or else you simply follow the talking points guide that you are daily receiving either by email or through your newly fitted centrist Captain Midnight tinfoil helmet…
You don’t “believe,” eh?
Show me where he said this. Show me where he even implied it. You cannot, because that is not his story. He is a states’ rights man, 24/7.
And then? Then you barrel right into this can of dead worms.
Man…where are you at these days?
“The ideology of Ron Paul grew organically from Jim Crow dead-enders who felt, and still feel that this is a white nation under threat.”
No, Booman, it did not “grow organically” from these people. In fact, they are parasites that have latched on to Ron Paul. Nothing more. Even the quote that you used from this execrable white racist disproves your statement.
“But…”
That’s a mighty big “but,” Booman. Do you realize that there are any number of Muslim haters and/or true Jewish supremacists who support the president for exactly the same reasons as this guy references although they also realize that Obama is not (hopefully) on the same boat with them?
“…because of his stand on issues?”
Please.
Further, the only “organically” relavent statement in this whole post is this one from Ron Paul:
Sounds like the equivalent of organic farming to me.”Don’t try to poison the pests…try to find out why they exist and then to use them to do something good.” It sounds suspiciously “true Christian” to me as well. You know…like what Christ tried to do? Don’t kill them. Don’t ostracize them. Forgive them. Why? Because “They know not what they do.” Yup. Try to convert them instead.
Get well soon., Booman.
i miss ya.
AG
P.S. Watch what happens tomorrow. It’s gonna be…interesting. Bet on it. I have recently saved a number of sites that buttress my own take on what will happen tomorrow but I do not have the time today to lay it all out. Long story short? Sure.
The same kind of largely social media-driven bonding that has been so important during this past year from the Egyptian uprising right on through the success of the OWS movement…something that does not appear very strongly in either the mainstream old-style polls or in the consideration of the equally mainstream, old-style pundit and political types from whom you get much of your positional info…is going to kick in during the Iowa Caucus, and all “regular” bets are going to be off from then on. Right on through the remainder of the political year. Way off. Watch. What we are seeing in the Ron Paul campaign is a digitally-based sea change. Bet on it. The Obama-style web efforts of 2007/2008 are already yesterday’s news. Shit happens fast now, and Obama is beginning to look…outdated…already. So it goes.
Man, this is really a new low for you, Booman. Must be getting desperate, eh? Tomorrow is going to tell an interesting tale.
Yeah, Booman, if the Republican primary electorate in Iowa gives Ron (“The LA Riots only ended when it was time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks”) Paul a strong showing, it will totally prove that he’s not a racist.
Totally.
Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups.
If you’ve ever been robbed by a young black person in Washington, DC, you’ll know how incredibly fleet of foot they can be.
More tired shit.
He has said that he didn’t write that crap. If you have any ear for syntax whatsoever…the handwriting or fingerprints of verbal of expression…it is plain that he didn’t write it. He has said that he made mistakes during that time and that the nasty shit in those newsletters that got by him was part of those mistakes. He has over and over again stated his opposition to racism on the plainest of reasons…it is wasteful of human talents. People who have known him well…including some who are now opposing him…have stated that in private he evinces no racist tendencies whatsoever.
And y’all simply continue to trot out the same empty bullshit every chance you get.
Sad.
And…on the evidence of his continuing rise in the national polls…it’s not working, either.
Go find a new tool. This one has no edge left.
None whatsoever.
AG
As usual, focused on the man (or woman) and not their movement.
Always looking for a hero. An easy out. MEDIASTRIKE!!!
And, you know, your ass really is showing.
Who gives a fuck if Ron Paul wrote that shit? He said he did. He justified every word of it before he took it back and said he didn’t write it and couldn’t justify it.
He gathered a huge base of support specifically by having those newsletters go out. He’s raised money off hate group mailing lists.
This is what he has been all about. His whole ideology grew out of this rancid pile of manure. And now it’s blossomed into some lawyerly bullshit that can only convince morons that opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 isn’t some shout-out to the goddamned Klan.
Here’s a tip: the Klan hear’s the message. Black people hear the message. WTF don’t you hear it?
Go back to 1964, take to the Senate floor, and explain to us again why you’re opposing the bill because racism is just putting people in groups where they don’t belong.
See if anyone can understand that stupid jive.
More tired shit.
It doesn’t become “tired” just because you don’t like to hear it.
He has said that he didn’t write that crap.
He went into the political-messaging business with whomever did. For years.
And that’s the best case scenario.
Go find a new tool. This one has no edge left.
None whatsoever.
Yeah, your spittle-flecked responses sure do demonstrate how little you care. BTW, Paul’s numbers are dropping.
I’d quote this to AG, but he obviously doesn’t give a shit. (Emphasis mine):
I understand it. He’s running for president, for Pete’s sake.
AG, you are either willfully ignorant or a total moron.
It was published WITH RON PAUL’s NAME ON IT.
A person is RESPONSIBLE for shit published with his name on it.
Which is it, willful ignorance or fucking total stupidity?
A PERSON IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SHIT THEY PUBLISH.
Then why aren’t the publishers of the NY Times, The Washington Post Time Magazine in jail for the literally thousands of lies that they published during the runup to the Iraq War?
Bullshit.
He fucked up. And he has admitted it, which is more than I can say for the bosses of all of the media that cooperated in that Iraq War farce.
Which is worse, data guy? A fuckup that lets a bunch of sentences get published and read by maybe a few thousand people or a concerted, weeks-long effort to conflate a terrorist attack with Iraq’s government and then promote a war that has left millions dead, injured or otherwise harmed and could quite conceivably be blamed for the current dismal state of the U.S. economy and our awful surveillance state status as well?
I am neither willfully ignorant nor a total moron, data guy. Bring me the heads of these media criminals…figuratively speaking, of course…along with those of the Bush administration and I will begin to consider looking into the possibility of a just punishment for Ron Paul. (As if running the gantlet being set up by the two-headed/one party system here in the United Staes of Omertica is not punishment enough.)
Get real.
Or get gone.
AG
He’s a racist, homophobic, and a sexist asshole.
Anyone who supports him must support these positions.
He said, yesterday: “Texas Representative Ron Paul today stood by statements he made in his 1987 book arguing that someone who is a victim of sexual harassment in the workplace should bear some responsibility for resolving the problem and that society should not bear the burden of paying for the care of AIDS victims.”
So, anyone who supports this piece of crap must also subscribe to his crap-shit views.
So, AG, you are now a racist sexist homophobe.
Congratulations.
The problem with all of the love that Ron Paul gets for his military-isolationist stance in lefty circles is that it treats that ideology and his racism as two distinct positions that can be considered separately, when in fact, they are one and the same.
Ron Paul’s opposition to foreign comes is best summed up in the phrase “Those people have been killing each other for centuries.” He sees the world outside our borders, particularly those areas outside of northwestern Europe, as inhabited by lesser breeds of humanity, and not worth our attention. Why help protect the Libyan people from a bloody dictator while they liberate their country? Because those people just aren’t worth the trouble.
It’s simply “screw you, I got mine” libertarianism on the world stage. You might as well laud Pat Buchanan.
The entire libertarian piece of shit is the worst ideology currently available. The most present danger to any American is the huge corporations that rule the country. For the libertarians, this simply does not exist as a threat.
It’s beyond belief.
Paul is a terrible threat. We would return to the US of 1820 if he were elected. He would eliminate the FDA, the Education Dept, the highway dept, the Fed, and life would be EXTREMELY difficult for normal Americans.
The entire libertarian piece of shit is the worst ideology currently available.
You know what’s coming next, right?
“Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude; it’s an ethos!”
And paradoxically, he would then have to build up an even more draconian national security state in order to enforce that kind of society upon us. Something tells me that there are at least a few sectors of the American public who wouldn’t let it happen without one heck of a fight.
Actually, that’s not the least bit accurate. Libertarians hate corporatism and want to defang it the only way you can. Unlike dreamy socialistas, who still think they can somehow wrest control of Big Govt (and all the “do it or we’ll jail / shoot you” power it conveys) for their own good works, Libertarians realize that Corporatism needs centralized government to 1) skew laws in their favor 2) eradicate competition by legislating hurdles 3) bail themselves out when they screw up 4) etc. etc.
You can try all you want to dawdle with campaign finance laws, or other blather, but in the end you have to admit that even Obama is a Corporatist Shill like all the rest.
Libertarians want each individual, entrepreneur, small biz person, etc. to be free of this legislated anti-competitiveness, and instead want true free markets so that end use consumers may have the freedom to vote / choose what product they support, and not be stuck with what was ordained behind the closed doors and legislated into existence as “the model for doing business” in this sector or that. They want government to exist to protect individuals and their property from those who engage in fraud and deliberate malice, and that’s it. In that, corporations that lie, steal, pollute, etc. are in violation vs. protected as they are currently to rewrite the rules as they go along to keep the status-quo.
That’s a far cry from the typical lefty anti libertarian flack you just spewed that I quoted above. CORPORATISM exists plain as day — LIBERTARIANS HATE IT AND WARN ABOUT IT. Got it?
Either your comment is deliberate obfuscation or it reveals a total a lack of understanding of what libertarianism is.
WhoIsIOZ: Widgets
Naive libertarians like this think that they can shrink government to eliminate corporatism, and that without any countervailing forces pushing back against corporations, it will remain shrunk and never be brought under corporate sway.
In other words, they pretend that the government in the era of the Penn Coal decision and the western railroad expansion wasn’t under the control of corporations, on the grounds that it did nothing to help widows and orphans.
Yep. This is exactly right. I’m still voting for him in the primary, but I would never vote for him in the GE.
He’s a Pat Buchanan paleocon/Constitutionalist. No different than any “America firster”. It’s very nationalist. It’s quite distinct from Gary Johnson, even if a lot of their policies are similar.
His views on trade and immigration are a good bit different from Pat Buchanan, who IS a Nationalist. Ron Paul is for constitutional liberty — regardless of nationality, which ain’t Buchanan’s thing at all. RP recognizes that the U.S. is the primary bastion of liberty and freedom, and as a politician who swears an oath, his focus rests on viewing things from a constitutional perspective.
Bullshit. RP is for closed borders on immigration, unlike Gary Johnson. Fair enough on the trade, although they both oppose trade agreements. So the policies end up being the same anyway.
Hardly.
I think if you’ll find there’s a good bit of difference when comparing the two for yourself:
http://www.issues2000.org/tx/Ron_Paul_Immigration.htm
Admittedly, it’s been a while since I’ve sourced Pat Buchanan’s, or really re-reviewed Paul’s. I just googled up the Paul link above, and it’s pretty much as I recall it — it ain’t no Buchanan.
Mind you, not defending one or the other. My read, though, is Buchanan is far more stingy in his approach about protecting the more traditional U.S. European Christian-rooted heritage from being watered down by undesirables.
Paul’s is more of a “let’s not lure people in with benefits and artificially high wages” approach, and let the chips fall where they will” approach, where, through other policy adjustments the economy is building its annual yield and stores of seed-corn vs. the current tendency, which has been to both consume and redistribute seed corn and pretend it’s actual yield, when it’s actually destroying economic growth. Shrinking economies make the locals a lot more uppity vs. growing ones.
Perhaps that’s too nuanced to notice when viewed through the lefty lens, but it’s a wide enough to drive a truck between from a less left-radicalized perspective.
“if you vote for a modern republican, you are voting for a bad person”
http://crooksandliars.com/kenneth-quinnell/ron-pauls-racism-isnt-worst-thing
This touches on the racism among other things: Left Talking Points on Ron Paul. The perspective taken by Pink Scare is one that might not necessarily jibe with many here, but to the extent that there are a few leftists who frequent this place, I thought I’d at least make sure a few of you saw it.
Thanks, that’s a good summary.
The idiots, fools, and morons like He Who Shall Not Be named with 2 Initials are supporting this racist moron Paul for one reason – he opposes the Imperialist US Police Roll. That is a good thing. But that is 1 position and there are 50 which are as bad or worse than the other Repukeliscum.
Paul is an old, senile, racist, homophobic, sexist, pro-forced-birth piece of shit. Case closed.
I don’t understand why this person rejects electoral politics. Not even Emma Goldman rejected electoral politics to achieve her anarchist ends.
One of the very problems with American politics right now is that electoral politics is seen to be the only politics, and the horse race and talking points dominate actual discussion of policy.
The Occupy movement seeks to have a long and deep discussion about policy with a broad range of the 99%. That discussion has to occur before there can be any discussion of tactics related to electoral politics. And electoral politics has been seen as leading to the premature death of many grassroots movements.
Emma Goldman’s age was different.
the problem is the Occupy movement is largely having those policy conversations only with themselves. I haven’t heard hardly any discussion with regular people about it for awhile and really the only thoughts I hear are things like “why are they pissing off longshoreman and keeping them from getting paid?”
The general public has lost interest and that’s largely because it’s easier to be entertained than to have to worry about policy. That’s why progress takes so long.
One would think that if one had not seen what’s going on in hundreds of general assemblies. In some of the darnedest places — Bend OR, Lawton OK, Jackson MS, Birmingham AL, Augusta GA, Nashville TN, Harrisonburg VA, Johnson City TN, Colorado Springs CO, Great Falls MT, Fargo-Moorhead ND to name a few.
NYC and Oakland get the major media coverage because of the police response.
The public has lost interest in the Occupy movement generally but some of the discussions and outreach of local groups is registering with the public. People are beginning to hear the backstories of folks being foreclosed and evicted–primarily because of occupations of the houses to prevent evictions. There are at least a dozen or so mortgages that have been renegotiated as a result. Folks pushed back on the Verizon credit card payment charge primarily because of the heightened awareness of how banks and utilities treat customers, which resulted from Occupy protests of banking practices and utility rate hikes.
As for longshoremen, they are in a legal contradiction. They are prohibited by contract from striking, but they can honor picket lines. The deal is that a mediator decides if they get paid for honoring a picket line because of health or safety concerns. The target of protest on the port shutdowns were three: a Goldman-Sachs owned terminal in Seattle, a terminal in Longview at which longshoremen were working without contracts, and the way that shippers abuse truckers who are independent owner-operators and thus cannot form a union because of anti-trust laws. The ILWU leadership cannot be happy about community wildcat strikes because of the no-strike clause.
It is easier not to participate and find out what is going on locally. It is easier not to have to contend with differing opinions in a general assembly process. Entertaining ourselves to death is not a problem unique with the Occupy movement. It is a core cultural issue in having any civil society at all.
And the Wall Street media alternate between blackout and sensationalism. Police raids get covered (from the police viewpoint) but peaceful actions like today’s Occupy the Rose Parade get a deliberate media blackout (there’s a Reuters article that describes the deliberate part).
Are you sure that t (the blogger behind Pink Scare) is against electoral politics altogether or simply against supporting the current two-party system? Those are distinctly different positions. From the text of that particular post, the most I can make out is that t is against the two-party system and views it as fundamentally broken (which is the position of many Occupiers as well).
I’m a little surprised that Emma Goldman supported electoral politics period. I always thought of her as more of a “propaganda of the deed” sort. Which party did she support, and when? I’m sort of curious.
Well, you either accept the two party system, or change the Constitution. So imo when you reject the two party system, you’re rejecting electoral politics in America.
Anyway, Emma Goldman didn’t support a particular party, and she frequently did write with disdain towards electoral politics (which is why I don’t understand why Tarheel believes today’s times are any different than Goldman’s):
Nonetheless, per Wiki:
The times were different. The left wing in American politics had not been completely amputated by the Cold War. Eugene Debs and Norman Thomas were considered credible third-party candidates. There was movement during the Theodore Roosevelt era to rein in the trusts. There were huge marches by Suffragettes and labor in the streets. Union organizing was going on in most states. Civic action and civil society were more normal and hadn’t yet become “bowling alone”.
Other major difference. The Congress has never been this gridlocked for so long nor has the influence of money on public sentiment in elections been so large. Politics in Goldman’s day depended on patronage relations through political machines. Only in Chicago and Boston does anything like that sort of neighborhood system exist today.
In 1965, Strom Thurmond led segregationist Democrats into the Republican Party by morphing Barry Goldwater’s conservatism into a states rights defense. Any Republican born in the South and quite a few transplant politicians are at heart unrepentant segregationists. And the younger ones hate the federal government exactly because the federal government ended de jure segregation and for a time tried to stamp out de facto segregation in public facilities — like schools.
Ron Paul is a transplant to Texas from Michigan, which in the early 1960s was one of the epicenters of the John Birch Society. Paul’s anti-war stance is interesting in that Robert Welch of the John Birch Society opposed the war in Vietnam as “part of a communist plot aimed at taking over the United States. Welch demanded that the United States get out of Vietnam, thus aligning the Society with the far left.”
Ron Paul relocated to Texas in 1968 after finishing his tour with the Texas Air National Guard (1965-1968). [I find this little bit of trivia fascinating. How did a Pennsylvania native get into the Texas Air National Guard? Was his flight surgeon stint at a Texas air base?] And he represents a district in the Houston-Galveston area. And at some point became a Baptist (presumably now Southern Baptist).
Atlas Shrugged appeared when Paul was 22.
Ron Paul claims that his political philosophy comes from Friedrich Hayek and Ludwig von Mises. He also says that he came to his political philosophy while he was a medical resident in Detroit 1961-1963. Exactly the beginnings of the civil rights movement and the anxiety about Communism after the Bay of Pigs fiasco and the Cuban Missile Crisis. (The peak time of private fallout shelter construction)
As for this:
That was the position in the 1960s of Barry Goldwater, Lester Maddox, Stom Thurmond, George C. Wallace, James J. Kilpatrick and virtually all of the modern conservative movement. This was the defense of de facto segregation. States rights was the defense of de jure segregation (states can do what their “voters” tell them to–power to the people…).
Ron Paul is a racist because American society is racist, and Ron Paul doesn’t want to change that.
You don’t have to bring in StormFront or other organizations to tar him by association. Associating with the mainstream of the Republican Party is sufficient.
thanks for this
You don’t have to bring in StormFront or other organizations to tar him by association. Associating with the mainstream of the Republican Party is sufficient.
Just for clarity, would you extend this to include Libertarians too? Personally, for the most part I think of Libertarians as Republicans who don’t want to admit they supported Bush, but there are a few out there who’ve been consistent in their party identification (or in RP’s case, idealogical alignment), often taking care to distinguish themselves from Republicans.
I often wonder if this line about the Civil Rights Act infringing on personal and states’ rights and actually damaging race relations is really a dog whistle for bigots (as I’m sure it is in a great many instances) or if it’s a genuine Libertarian delusion. I mean, if you can look at the economic record of the last 30 years–particularly the last 12–and come to the conclusion that markets will regulate themselves to the benefit of all…what might you not believe?
Although as you’ve so ably pointed out, it really doesn’t matter what beliefs drive the ideology. The institution of American racism permeates everything, especially conservatism. Viewed in that light, it’s not so surprising that most people fail to recognize (or admit) to it; it’s like the water fish swim in, or the air we breathe. We don’t notice it unless it goes beyond a certain line.
Anyway, great post.
Libertarians, that is cap-L Libertarians, are so focused on economic libertarianism that most do not see the discrimination that their list of liberties would bring about absent a profound cultural change. Anti-discrimination laws are based on the knowledge that changes in behavior can change attitudes and beliefs. The old segregationist Democrats turned Republican are aware that this is true. That’s why they have worked very hard to frustrate those behavioral changes at every turn. It’s why they created segregation academies and began framing their views under the cloak of religious freedom. Cap-L Libertarians are more passive protectors of the status quo under arguments about liberty.
Small-l libertarians, like progressives, are all over the lot when it comes to dealing with the historically racist culture of the US.
Anti-discrimination laws are based on the knowledge that changes in behavior can change attitudes and beliefs.
I think that’s a crucial point of the matter. In the libertarian (big- and small-L) view, that behavioral change has already occurred and it’s safe for us all to do away with the supposed infringements on individual liberties created by the Civil Rights Act and other such legislation.
It’s not hard to see how this belief is faked on the one hand by the States’ Rights dog-whistlers, and genuinely held as true doctrine by at least a certain portion of the rank and file. And thus, as you state:
Libertarians, that is cap-L Libertarians, are so focused on economic libertarianism that most do not see the discrimination that their list of liberties would bring about absent a profound cultural change.
Obviously it’s possible to sincerely believe this way. It’s like communists and Marxists saying their system never really got a fair shake because it was never attempted in its pure form. Likewise we have the promotion of some Austrian Neverneverland based on a selective reading of Adam Smith and god only knows what.
I get how some youth can get pulled into this sort of thing, but the appeal is such a black-and-white, zero-sum sort of mentality that I wonder at the number of grown and in many cases seemingly rational adults swallowing the bait too. It probably is a reflection of the infantile nature of the culture as a whole. As usual, I find myself grasping at straws of a larger picture that I can’t quite fit into one frame.