Unlike Ezra Klein, I did not support the invasion of Iraq. But I didn’t spend my energy trying to stop it because I saw it (correctly) as inevitable. I spent a good part of 2000 arguing that people should not vote for George W. Bush because he would invade Iraq. I believe that even absent 9/11, we would have started a war with Iraq. There were compelling reasons to do so, and those reasons were convincing to many people in our foreign policy establishment. The root of the problem was Saddam’s continuing existence in power which seemed to require an unending containment policy. But the support for that unending containment policy had eroded dramatically.
One by one, the allies that had stood with us when we launched the Persian Gulf War peeled off and began criticizing us. The French pulled out of the no-fly operations. The embargo harmed Iraqi civilians and actually served to make Iraqis dependent on Saddam’s aid programs, increasing his internal grip on power. The embargo also harmed the economies of allies like Jordan and Turkey that naturally wanted to trade legally with their neighbor. The UN inspectors may have successfully disarmed Hussein, but the degree of their success was unclear and they were no longer on the ground (until the Bush administration felt compelled to seek UN support for their invasion plans). In any case, the issue facing U.S. foreign policy leaders in the 1999-2003 period was whether we could sustain our containment policy, and, if not, whether we could trust Saddam Hussein not to rearm and seek revenge if we ended our containment policy.
At the outset of the Bush administration, Secretary of State Colin Powell was dispatched to the Middle East to argue for something he called “smart sanctions.” This was an effort to address the complaint, made by an increasing international consensus (including Usama bin-Laden), that our sanctions on Iraq were causing a massive increase in child mortality and were morally unsupportable. However, Colin Powell’s efforts failed after Iraq insisted on a complete repeal of sanctions and Russia refused to go along in the absence of Iraq’s consent.
It was the failure of smart sanctions that put the U.S. foreign policy establishment in a bind that made invasion an appetizing alternative to an unsustainable status quo. The sanctions were falling apart and had only made Hussein’s grip on power more intractable. The no-fly zones necessitated U.S. military forces be stationed in Saudi Arabia, which was already causing the rise of al-Qaeda and major security risks to our embassies, war ships, and personnel. Saddam was viewed as particularly evil and reckless, and not to be trusted with all the money that would flow to him in the absence of the Oil-for-Food program and other sanctions. The Oil-for-Food program itself was rife with corruption. The nail in the coffin was the decision of Hussein to offer oil contracts to all the non-Anglo permanent UN Security Council members, conditional on a lifting of sanctions.
Even prior to the September 11 attacks, the U.S. faced a very unappealing set of options. Politically, it was pretty near unthinkable that we would agree to lift the sanctions, watch everyone else get all the oil contracts, and just trust Hussein not to resume WMD programs or to seek revenge. Powell’s failure to get smart sanctions meant that the status quo wouldn’t hold. It seemed like the only way out was to remove Hussein from power, but nothing short of an invasion seemed likely to remove him.
It’s common wisdom to argue that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, but that can be misleading. Iraq had no operational role in the 9/11 attacks. But our invasion of Iraq in 1990 was what radicalized bin-Laden, and our ongoing military presence in Saudi Arabia is what rallied his troops. When he issued a fatwa against American citizens, he cited the death-toll of the sanctions as one of the reasons. If our policy options looked bleak before 9/11, the costs of continuing the status quo looked far too high after 9/11.
To me, it was obvious that we were going to invade Iraq and it was also obvious that we didn’t know what we were doing. I thought we were about to make a terrible mistake, but I had no doubt that the war could not be stopped. This put me in a very uncomfortable place. I didn’t have any solutions to offer. I knew that continuing the sanctions and containment would not work. I knew that politicians would never agree to let Saddam be and watch foreign powers swoop in and make all the money. I didn’t trust Saddam Hussein or want to see him have a free hand. And I definitely didn’t want to see our country invade and occupy an Arab country, particularly because it was clear that few people understood the dynamics of Iraqi society.
For me, the decision came down to whether to oppose the war even though I knew it was coming, or to focus on mitigating what I saw as a looming disaster. For a while, I argued that the UN should give its blessing because we needed the legitimacy, and invading without legitimacy would assure disaster. Yet, on the eve of the war, after the UN had refused to go along, a friend convinced me I had been wrong to take that approach. He said that it might be warranted under the circumstances in theory, but the Bush folks were sure to screw it up so badly that nothing good could come from it. I thought about it, and it struck me that he was right. I had been trying to mitigate a disaster, but it wasn’t the war that was inevitable. It was the disaster that was inevitable.
It then occurred to me that I might as well have spent all my energy just opposing the war. Lending any support for it was a mistake, even if my intention was only to prevent my country from suffering the worst consequences of its own pathology.
A nice complement to this is Meteor Blades’ piece on the war. He focuses too much on the neo-cons’ pre-existing lust for toppling Hussein without touching on the much broader consensus that existed, particularly after Powell’s efforts failed. But he does justice to the resulting carnage, theft, and incompetence.
Preemptive wars are never inevitable; always a choice. Like you, I forewarned people in 2000 that GWB had “get Saddam” on his “to do” list if elected. (Didn’t consider that he could lose and be inaugurated anyway.) However, as POTUS he only had the power to continue dropping bombs in the no-fly zone (which he did shortly after taking office). A war required some combination of support from Congress, the military, and the public. In real time, the public was the most wary with a solid majority (56%) on-board only if authorized by the UN. All the back and forth with the UN weapons inspectors and Powell’s UN dog-and-pony (Cerberus and unicorn?) show the public sort of lost sight of the fact that the UN hadn’t authorized military actions.
Liberals have a tendency to over-think situations where the leaders of other countries have been systematically demonized over a long period of time. As if we can discriminate among the bad leaders in the world and pick one every year or so to take down with our mighty war machine or covert action kill list because otherwise “we” have some sort of intractable problem that “we” have to deal with. Rather silly considering that “we” were okay with Mubarek and are okay with the Saudi monarchy and Pakistan as a nuclear power.
It’s important to remember that Clinton had “get Saddam” on his list as well. He also had “get North Korea” on his list till Powell talked him out of that one. Largely on the grounds that the casualties and mess would be staggering. It’s also worth considering that “get Iran” is currently on both parties lists, to varying degree.
We aren’t out of the woods yet with this sort of thing. Had Iraq not been a disaster we would already be in Iran.
Didn’t have the same emotional resonance for Clinton as it did for GWB. He went with a covert assassination attempt instead of an invasion (that may have been at least in part due to the lack of support from the Pentagon). But the brutal sanctions were on his watch — will never forget that along with all the horrendous social and economic policies he backed and signed into law.
Actually it kinda did. Here’s my take on the whole fiasco and why I “supported” the war, and don’t actually regret it.
I was in the military prior to 9/11. And we went to the Persian Gulf, and we killed Iraqi’s. We enforced the no fly zones, cruise missilled and bombed targets, searched and seized ships (at times resulting in gun fire), we were there to kill. To say nothing of the sanctions that killed ordinary Iraqi’s but caused no hardship for the elites. This was all under a Democratic President, Clinton. It was also Clinton who made regime change our official policy, and he wanted to invade as well.
To boot, while the entire “nuclear weapons” was bullshit… we didn’t have proof that he destroyed all the weapons we sold him, that he stopped making his own chemicals, and he wasn’t complying with the inspectors. Yes part of that was a game to fool people into thinking he had them as part of a geopolitical gambit, but at various points he actually did. Beyond that, the man massacred his own people.
We couldn’t contain him. We could hurt his people, but it didn’t do shit about him. And some of our allies, France, and some of our Rivals, Russia, were actively advising him to wait for total sanction appeals so they could raid the oil there. However removing the sanctions on a dictator and letting him rebuild like that was not something we, or other allies could actually do, it would have been crazy. We were kinda stuck, and enforcing those sanctions was causing us problems in the region, and actually one of the reasons Osama attacked us.
We were going to invade no matter what, even if there were no WMDs because that wasn’t the main issue. It wasn’t a matter of if. It was a matter of when, under whom, and how. Even if Gore had won and 9/11 hadn’t have happened we would have fucking invaded. There’s no way out of that. As it happened we had Bush in the office and 9/11 was an excuse, but everyone was chomping at the bit do it because the current situation wasn’t workable and the only acceptable change was to kill him and take out the party. Anybody who says we wouldn’t have is deluding themselves or full of shit.
So having been there and bombed them, I was under no fucking illusions that it would happen prior to 9/11. When 9/11 did happen I and everybody else on the staff of someone with stars knew that was the excuse. It wouldn’t have mattered if Canada did it.
Of course when it happened, the Bushies and civilian leadership fucked it up. We’d been planning, waiting, knowing this would happen for a fucking decade. And what did they do? They put into a place a civilian leadership where knowing nothing about the region, nothing about fighting a war, and nothing about occupying a country was not only considered a core qualification of the job, but worn with a badge of fucking honor. Then the shit canned all the non civilians and professionals who pointed out what a mess they were about to make of things. And out of the blue, they turned the war into a profit making scheme. And well… the rest is well known. But it’s the greatest military fuck up on all levels in the history of this nation. It was staggering to behold So while the war would have happened no matter what, we might have not made such a huge fucking mess out of everything.
Oh well…
One of the reasons I feel Iran, and imperialism in general, is such a huge fucking issue in my voting is this. We can fix our issue with Iran if we want to. However I can easily see given all the regional players and us, especially the Saudis and Israelis, that situation could get fucked up to the point where war is inevitable as well. And once that counter starts it’s just waiting for the buzzer and then off we will go again. And when I think about Iraq, I fully believe we’ll fuck that war up just as bad, probably worse since Iran is sure as fuck not Iraq. We have to normalize relations with Iran as fast as fucking possible. Because nothing short of that, will stop us from heading to the point of no return on military options. The sanctions need to be fucking scaled back and we need to stop talking about “targeted strikes”, or we will end up in another war.
Because the lesson I learned from Iraq was not about “wars of choice” because it wasn’t one at all. It was that our civilian leadership is utterly incompetent and cannot be trusted to prosecute a war, occupy a nation, or rebuild anything. And we cannot be in a situation where they try to those things and fuck it all up again. And the only way to avoid that situation isn’t about “starting wars of choice”, it’s about not creating situations where war is inevitable through our international policy.
The three most important things we can do to avoid this is normalizing relations with Iran, quit droning people in other countries regardless of their citizenship status, and telling problematic allies (Pakistan, Israel) to fuck off and deal with their own ship. The fact that very few people in either of our major parties are willing to do this for political reasons, should scare the hell out of everyone.
We shouldn’t be hemming and hawing about the invasion in 2003. We should be looking at the decade that landed us there. I think a lot of liberals love to focus on the “invasion” instead of “how we got there” because it just hits Bush and not Clinton. And it convieniently ignores all the crap going on in the world right now, under another Democratic President, that is railroading us towards another mess like this in the future.
In a way focusing on Iraq in 2003 is like focusing on the economic crash in 2008. Yeah that was the climax of the economic issue, but it was shit done in the 80’s under Reagan, and a lot of shit Clinton did in the 90s like repealing Glass Steagle that landed us in the crash of 2008. And those actions made 2008 inevitable.
I’m fairly sure this viewpoint isn’t going to be popular here, but it’s honestly where I stand on all this.
I don’t know about others, but your position isn’t that far from mine. I don’t think a Gore administration (aside from Lieberman) would have wanted to invade or have reacted the same way to 9/11, but they still would have had to figure out some way to get out of the permanent sanctions/no-fly scheme, and they still would have had unwilling partners in the French, Chinese, and Russians. And they would have felt that just walking away was politically impossible, not least because a bunch of powerful oilmen in this country would have gone berserk watching the commies scoop up all that oil. Israel would have gone nuts, too.
It’s very possible that Gore would have wound up feeling compelled to do something to take out Saddam. It’s just that he was quite a bit smarter than Bush and less blood-thirsty, and he may have been able to figure something out. He may have found some allies willing to help and some foes willing to lend a hand, too, in exchange for concessions.
So, I don’t agree that the invasion was inevitable, but it was once Bush gave his Axis-of-Evil speech. He put his prestige on the line with that. He couldn’t back down, and it should have been obvious at that point there was no going back.
Overall, I agree with your argument that we have to guard against putting ourselves in situations where events carry us to war out of their own internal logic.
I think we would have gone to war with Gore as well, even without 9/11. We were pretty much “at war” with them under Clinton, it’s just not talked about.
The only thing I think Gore would have changed, and this assumes 9/11 didn’t happen is a few critical items. It would have taken a little longer, it would have had more international support, and it would have been better managed. But there would have been an actual conflict.
But I think we both agree this is missing the forest for the trees. The issue was how we got there. And that’s a saga that started in the 70’s and then went full tilt in the 90s. We have to avoid this. These things take on a life of their own.
I’ve had a lot of time to think about it and my own military service. And while I personally regret nothing and don’t feel at all bad about my “support” for the war. I’m still a bit disgusted at our leaders and our foreign policy for landing us in that situation, and making a fucking mess of it.
And looking back at it all, being a bit older and a bit more wordly. I can’t help but see our past mistakes in Afghanistan and the Middle East back in the 70’s through 90’s being repeated all over again.
So when “we” screw up for a few decades (which I specifically acknowledged) but also decimate the targeted enemy country during those decades, to fix our self created and perceived intractable problem might as well just turn on “shock and awe” and invade the place?
Then again, I don’t accept the direct link between a US base in Saudi Arabia as a consequence of the Gulf War and 9/11. It was just a convenient rationale for the radical Muslim terrorists. They could have found another if that base hadn’t existed. (Interesting that it was included in the 1993 WTC bombing complaint.)
As I said in 1991 to those repeating that Iraq had the third most powerful army in the world, when I see Iraqi soldiers storming Santa Monica beach would be persuaded that we have no choice but to get involved.
Putting blame on Iran, while OBL claims it was an act by Al Qaeda to bomb the Khobar Towers. OBL is dead, but his goal to rid Muslim nations from Western influence is continuing … except perhaps in his native Saudi Arabia. Don’t be fooled, SA policy is shaped by their religious beliefs, even if it takes decades to reach those goals.
Would surmise that for him of the “aggressive intervention against Muslims” (based on his answers to other questions) would include the continued existence of Israel and Saudi Arabia continuing “bidness” relationships with the US.
There was a good deal of difference between, say, Manuel Noreiga or Slobodan Milosevic or Moammar Gaddafi and the aftermath of the Persian Gulf War. While Saddam may have been singled out and demonized beyond what was warranted, he did present an intractable problem for U.S. policy makers. In the other cases, we had the option of doing nothing. In the case of Iraq, something had to give.
Without in any way justifying what was done, it is a great shame that foreign leaders didn’t spend more time helping us out of a jam and figuring out how to help our leaders shift course in a way that was politically possible rather than lining up to accept contracts in a post-sanctions world as they ramped up their criticism for a policy that they initially supported.
Khrushchev was smart enough to think about Kennedy’s position and offer him quiet help out of the Cuban Missile Crisis jam he was in. Putin just sought to screw us. Big difference in strategic thinking there.
I mean, any savvy observer could see that the U.S. was boxed in and had no way out. Assuming President Gore had failed to stop the 9/11 attacks, I presume he would have made changing our Iraq policy a top priority, but I wonder if he would have gotten any help. The only thing I am sure of is that he would have sought help rather than jumping to invasion at the first moment. But he might have wound up in the same place in a year or two because the politics of the thing made it very hard to just tough out.
The Iraq Liberation Act was passed in 1998 and signed by Bill Clinton. It made regime change our official policy. I am sure that vice-president Lieberman would have reminded President Gore of this fact on a frequent basis.
My point here is not to absolve the Bush administration, but to point out that we do a disservice to history when we suggest that our options in Iraq included doing nothing, or when we suggest that regime change was some exclusive desire of neo-cons who just used 9/11 as a pretext.
The truth is more complicated than that. The truth is that Persian Gulf War didn’t end, and that created a backlash that led directly to 9/11. As liberal critics noted loudly throughout the 1990’s, our policy in Iraq was immoral and unsustainable. That meant we needed a way out. Our leaders needed help getting us out.
The problem with Bush’s answer to this was that it got us much deeper in, which was the wrong direction to go. He eliminated the immediate problems, moved our airbases out of Saudi Arabia and ended the sanctions, but he solved nothing.
In any case, it was the decision to save Kuwait and leave Saddam in power that created the problem. I opposed that war, and I feel like the outcome was even worse than I feared at the time.
As you state, and I’m all too well aware of, it was a problem of our own creation. With roots back to 1953 when we stole Iran’s democracy. After the Iranians attempted to take it back a quarter century later, we became best buds with Saddam as he plunged his country into war against Iran. He was a stupid enough man not to recognize that the US is a fair weather friend. However, after two devastating wars and sanctions, Iraq was militarily and economically crippled for at least a generation. So, yes, doing nothing was an option and a better and cheaper one than the Bush-Clinton-Bush policies
Wouldn’t “President Gore” have leaned a lot harder on Bin Lade n after receiving confirmation of the identities behind the criminal bombing of that naval ship, during the end of Clinton’s presidency. And probably during that leaning on intelligence might also have pieced together the WTC criminal bombing plot and stopped it.
Bush very nearly pulled off an amazing feat — he beat the war drums so persuasively that he was able to re-implement UN inspections, and, on the eve of the attack, had even obtained Saddams promise to leave the country. If only Bush had been smart enough to take that offer and push for a negotiated settlement. But no, he was hell-bent on war. Right up until the last moment I was hoping (without really believing) that he was bluffing. But no, he really was as stupid as he looked.
An excellent point.
If George Bush had kept his eye on the ball at Tora Bora and backed up the UN inspectors, Social Security would be privatized and they’d be carving his head onto Mt. Rushmore.
I had that inevitable feeling about Afghanistan, where there was a normal causal connection between their bad guys and our September 11 events; I didn’t expect it to end happily, but couldn’t be avoided. One of the very bad aspects of the Iraq invasion that should have been evident from the outset (and was to some of us) was the way it ensured that Afghanistan/Pakistan would be a far worse disaster than necessary. Anyway, I absolve you, go and sin no more.
My own view was always along the lines of BooMan’s friend. I was sure from the beginning of the debate that no matter how good the reasons for going to war might look, the Bush administration would manage to screw it up. And it was transparently, transparently obvious that they were lying through their teeth in the whole run-up. That’s why I have never forgiven Colin Powell – even if he’s an honorable man, he should have been smart enough to see through it all.
I was more or less convinced we would go to war after I attend my first protest in NYC, and saw that the anti-war “leadership” was a preposterously incompetent group. They had an incoherent message injected with all the usual irrelevant leftie BS (Free Mumia, etc). But I still went, because I was so outraged by the whole thing.
I remember telling friends it was like watching a disaster unfold in slow motion. It was clear from the very start that disaster was the only possible outcome. And anyone who believed otherwise was either too credulous or too cynical, IMO. Especially those older folks who had lived through Vietnam yet still went along with the charade.
The truly sad part to me, aside from all the death and destruction, is that like most major foreign policy mistakes the Iraq War will simply fade into history. Just like Vietnam, just like WWI. There will be no accountability. Iraq’s impact on our national consciousness is rapidly fading away, except for those poor soldiers and civilian who will have to live with it for the rest of their lives.
There was a period of time when I really considered it as impractical to rage against the coming war as to wage against the rising sun. It’s not that I disagreed. It’s that I saw that the ship had sailed, and the only question worth thinking about was how to make it less of a disaster. I thought it would be particularly bad on a whole host of levels to invade without any UN buy-in.
It was hard to accept that there was nothing that could stop or mitigate the disaster, but I did get there just prior to the actual invasion.
Never forget the role of our Atlantic ally, Great Britain and Tony Blair. He had a tough time to lie through the same false intelligence provided by MI6 and he represented a Labor government. He played a very ugly role to justify the endeavor by pressuring his legal counsel and disregarding the million march protest in London. Blair has been richly rewarded by George Bush, US Congess, BP and his new role in Libya and his task as ambassador for Palestinian Peace negotiations???
Well, on that, as on many other subjects, you seem to have an uncanny ability to see a little further around the bend than most other people.
A post elsewhere reminded me how wired we are for visual evidence. It was photos of Abu Gharib that drew the outrage, even though the story had been known long before.
99% of Americans will never get a good sense of just how deep, broad and lasting the damage was that we collectively forced onto the good people of Iraq. Even now, birth defects are up in number and severity thanks to contamination by depleted uranium shells and such. But never mind that legacy, “Is the world better with or without Saddam?”
What is needed is a medium size book that sums it up – the war, the effects on civilians, the aftermath – with documentary photos that don’t pull punches.
Until Americans collectively can grieve this horrific experience and what we’ve become, we’re just going to bury it. And it will come popping up in another 1-2 generations in some other incalculable crime against humanity.
So, we can talk about the fine points about how we got there and what may or may not have been inevitable. I also remember much of that including most of what has been posted here tonight as well as a couple of details that weren’t. All that sort of makes me a bit sick to my stomach because we’re talking around the facts that most need to be remembered. In the end we collectively decided to put millions of lives at risk. What was needed was for Americans to wake the hell up and take a stand, grab their friends and take to the streets. Can’t do that if “Who Wants to be a Millionaire” or “The Sopranos” is on I guess. Can’t take time to make Iraqi children safe, cause little Bobby has got to get to football practice.
What we learned in Iraq and now again in Iran is that sanctions do not work unless you have a way to put the sanctions on the rulers and not on the people.
What stopped Iraq from further programs of chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons seems to have been the Clinton cruise missile attacks directly on the Ministry of Defense. Not recommending that as an action to take with Iran. In the case of Iran, it seems to me that diplomacy is likely to be more fruitful but only if we start taking an even-handed approach to Israel, which is politically very difficult for an American President right now.
Well I’m definitely advocating it in the case of North Korea. North Korea has publicly promised a nuclear attack on the US. That cannot be tolerated. First China should be approached and asked to replace Kim III with a new puppet and told that if they don’t, we have no choice but to take action, but that action will be air (and missile/drone) attacks on the North Korean military capabilities. The Chinese have to be assured that there will be no toppling of the regime, just its teeth pulled.
Problem isn’t just China. It’s Seoul. If Seoul wasn’t in artillery range of the DMV, we’d have blasted N. Korea in the 1990’s.
It’s time to leave Seoul to it’s own devices. They have Samsung and Hyundai, so they have resources.
A few months ago, someone on the news mentioned June 1952. My older buddy remarked, “I remember June 1952 very well. I graduated High School and four days later enlisted in the Marines. Six weeks later and I was in Korea.” I couldn’t say much. In June 1952 I was finishing second grade, and I’m 68 years old. The damned Korean war has gone on long enough!
Your explanation is way too complicated and your concerns about human rights or UN blessing for making war are irrelevant. It’s basically about oil resources, pipelines and how the US colonizes other nations when our people are in need of more black gold! The US was happy with Saddam Hussein even after the invasion of Kuwait. The US had given support to Saddam in the atrocious war with Iran and the Arab jihadists helping out in defeating the Soviets in Afghanistan. King Fahd made the mistake of inviting US forces to protect the Kingdom, a task OBL would have gladly accepted … OBL became a renegade of the Saudis. Margaret Thatcher (British Petroleum) visiting Colorado convinced George HW Bush to change his mind and help the Kuwaitis. A strategic mistake. Of course King Hussein of Jordan and the Palestinian leadership were in support of Saddam Hussein. Soon the King of Jordan will feel the wrath of Saudi Arabia for the betrayal.
In memory always the image of GW Bush and US SUV’s, Detroit automobiles and the newest fashion of driving Hummers on the Interstate highways. George Bush was about to secure the American Way of Life no matter what.
The Cyprus crisis and Syria, what do they have in common?
Read my comment – Hillary dances the Sirtaki too….
Reagan republicans, big business and the big squeeze
Huh, when you put that way…
Well let Saddam try to rearm. There’s no way he ever beat the US and its allies and if he had invaded another country that couldn’t hold him off he’d be crushed again because Russia would not want to support pure land grabs.
Plus conditions might have been arguably better. (Though you never know). I guess I am comfortable letting Saddam be compared to fighting/occupying Iraq.
That’s something to think about: being comfortable with letting Saddam be.
That’s precisely what needed to be done. The other members of the Security Council should not have taken positions assured to make our power-elites uncomfortable with that prospect by, for example, agreeing to vote to end the sanctions in return for getting the oil contracts.
They should have considered that U.S. politicians couldn’t go from telling the people that Saddam was a dangerous lunatic to saying he wasn’t a problem, unless something replaced the sanctions and provided cover for making the change.
Things might have worked out okay if the policy had been to force Saddam into exile, providing the cover we needed to end the sanctions. But that wasn’t Bush’s policy. He’s to blame for that, too.
Ultimately, one reason people wouldn’t work with us to solve the problem is because Bush’s policy was always to invade, which was what was supposed to be avoided in the first place.
Ah also, even if the UN had agreed that wouldn’t have made it legitimate. Anyone with half a brain could see the Bush rationale for going to warm was 99.5% bullshit. It would come off as an invasion no matter who said what, certainly not in the eyes of the Iraqis.
No matter what it was the occupation that would make or break the legitimacy of the war.
At the outset of the Bush administration, Secretary of State Colin Powell was dispatched to the Middle East to argue for something he called “smart sanctions.” This was an effort to address the complaint, made by an increasing international consensus (including Usama bin-Laden), that our sanctions on Iraq were causing a massive increase in child mortality and were morally unsupportable. However, Colin Powell’s efforts failed after Iraq insisted on a complete repeal of sanctions and Russia refused to go along in the absence of Iraq’s consent.
This is like saying that Powell’s efforts to reach a nuke deal with North Korea failed because of the Norks. The White House gave Powell no real back-up, and pulled the plug as soon as they saw the chance to do so.
I’d have to go back and do some reading to refresh my memory on how that all went down, but I think you are basically correct. Powell represented the consensus that the neo-cons opposed. He had to be allowed to try to salvage the situation, but his success wasn’t desired. Then it was the British who sided with Powell and insisted that we go the UN route, even though it contained an obvious trap. That trap was that the inspectors would either find no weapons or they would disarm Saddam, solving the WMD problem either way without solving the containment problem or causing regime change.
If they hadn’t been so hell-bent on invasion, they might have gotten a clean bill of WMD health to use as cover for an end to sanctions, or they could have forced exile, creating a better form of cover. If there hadn’t been a conflict among the great powers over the oil contracts, we might have had more cooperation in solving the impasse and less bloodlust from our Texans.
To me, the media reaction to Powell’s presentation to the U.N. was psychotically deluded. All those glowing reviews of Powell’s somber prosecutorial presentation. Those who deny that Saddam has WMD’s and wants to kill American babies in their sleep look very silly now, dont they? This was the near-universal view of U.S. media in the wake of Powell’s presentation.
Everyone recieves information through their own filter. I was aware that we were heading toward war, and Americans were expected to manufacture patriotic support even if they were’nt convinced by the factual case for this war. All the same, I watched that U.N. presenatation live, and I was appalled by the media reaction. Unnamed single and unverifiable sources? Artistic renditions of mobile chemical weapons labs, and no photographic images? I knew that was all horseshit if the best international intellegence couldn’t come up with something better than that, yet the media response was “Oh, thank God Powell shut all the war opponents down!” He didn’t, not at all. Go watch the full presentation if you want a deep, rueful laugh at how thoroughly the Emperor was disrobed.
For these reasons, all the retrospective attempts to wash reponsibility off of Powell hold no sway with me. Colin tore up the original presentation and asked for more and better evidence from the CIA? Well, what he ended up feeling OK about presenting to the U.N. was still appallingly thin. Colin warned W. Bush about the Pottery Barn rule? Who gives a shit?
Powell should have resigned. THAT would have absolved him of responsibilty from this major misadventure. It’s wouldn’t have absolved Powell from the other major diplomatic and military misadventures he helped lead in previous years, but his resignation would have represented him making the best attempt possible to prevent this last, worst misadventure. The response to this from Powell supporters was that Colin considered resignation but felt that his replacement would be even worse. That is also an appallingly unsatisfactory response. If you are helping conduct the policy, you are publicly supporting the policy, even if you’re supposedly trying to influence the policy behind the scenes, which I don’t entirely believe Colin was doing.
Suffice to say I believe Colin Powell was a bad guy during the runup, and where he wasn’t bad he lacked competency (Smart Sanctions negotiations, influencing Bush Administration diplomatic and military frame of thought, etc.). So Lawrence Wilkerson and his crew should stop being given valuable airtime to wash Colin’s balls today, as far as I’m concerned.
As soon Bush made the Axis of Evil speech it was clear were going to invade Iraq. Bush had put himself and the USA in a corner where there was no wiggle room. Typical stupid.
I was also skeptical about whether he had WMDs. The head UN inspector even said he didn’t and unlike anybody on Bush’s team he had actually spect a lot of time in Iraq looking for them.
But I also figured if they didn’t find any, the CIA would plant some. I mean really. After all the talk about mushroom clouds how could they think it would be ok to not turn up something?
The failure to do so tells us that it wasn’t so easy to do back then. Today/tomorrow? Who knows.
Maybe. I am sure the USA has some sarin and mustard gas sitting somewhere. A fake nuke program would be harder.
But if they got caught in that lie that would have ended Bush’s presidency.
And he certainly didn’t have friends at the CIA.
We have plenty of chemical weapons laying around in various depots. It’s transporting them by stealth to plant somewhere else that’s a risk. Then there’s the possibility of chemical signatures that points back to other than the intended one. Wasn’t that what tripped up the anthrax attack that was initially assigned to Iraq?
Even at the time a giant full-scale invasion seemed so old fashioned, lumbering, unnecessary. Their plan went awry early on and we’re left with an endless occupation.
Is our empire learning?
No just crumbling a little more each day, … just as every over the hill empire before it has done.
Remember the tattered remains of the last global empire we replaced were our #2 in the illegal invasion. They haven’t learned much either, and are much deeper into empire disintegration then we are.
When a society has the historical memory and wisdome of a 2-year-old, suffering the consequences of stupidity is the only way to learn. There was never a hint of a sane reason for the Iraq attack. But the disaster was not just the attack itself. It was the final revelation that this country is too stupid to survive.
The idea of an option to an intractable situation has changed for me after the popular uprisings of the Arab spring. Certainly, if the U.S. dragged it’s feet resolving Mr. Husein; the Arab street would have demonstrated and gone on strike following Egypt and Syria.