Over at MSNBC, Benjy Sarlin has identified 10 pieces of conventional wisdom about the presidential campaign that have turned out to be very wrong. It’s a useful tool to see how valuable the conventional wisdom is when compared to the wisdom of bloggers. Taking my own case, I think my record stands up a lot better than what was provided to you by our corporate media’s collective output.
The first piece of conventional wisdom was that the GOP nominee was likely be a governor. I should add “former governor” to this, because Jeb Bush was always considered a strong contender. The reasoning here was actually pretty solid. No one from the Senate seemed like a plausible nominee and Congress had become incredibly unpopular. In any case, governors tend to do better in presidential primaries than members of Congress regardless of the election cycle. It just helps to have executive experience. I don’t count this as bad analysis. I think it was good analysis, and the only thing that was missed was that there would be a hunger for a complete outsider. I can’t say that I contradicted this analysis, but I did note that it was asking the wrong question. Back in August 2014, I argued:
Simply put, the Republican primary voter holds a set of beliefs that are nowhere near close to being acceptable to enough states to win the Electoral College. In the past, they’ve fallen in line for candidates like Poppy, Dole, McCain and Romney, only to be disappointed in victory or devastated in defeat. It’s getting increasingly hard to convince them to be practical, especially when the watered-down version of conservatism hasn’t brought them the electoral or practical victories they seek. Why should they believe that Jeb Bush would do better than McCain or Romney did? Why would they support a candidate who promotes Common Core and comprehensive immigration reform?
Throughout recent history, the pragmatic streak within conservatism has won out in these presidential nominating contests, but only by rendering the “practical” candidate unelectable. The obvious answer is to get behind someone who can run less as a conservative than as a traditional Republican, but they are more inclined to test the idea of nominating a fire-breathing conservative who won’t trim their sails. Better to go down swinging than to unilaterally disarm by caving on principles within your own party.
In other words, early on I identified the problem the GOP Establishment would have selling an electable candidate, and that problem clearly implicated some of the governors people were hyping as strong candidates. Another thing that implicated them was their own dubious behavior:
It seems to be a bad idea to nominate someone under indictment or serious ethical clouds, as would be the case with Governors Rick Perry of Texas, Scott Walker of Wisconsin, or Chris Christie of New Jersey.
So, I didn’t say that governors wouldn’t have an inherent advantage, but I did shoot down most of the actual governors who could have been considered likely nominees.
In that same August 2014 article, I addressed the second piece of conventional wisdom, which was that Senator Rand Paul would be a serious candidate. Here’s what I had to say on that:
It doesn’t matter if Christie’s polls have recovered somewhat or if Marco Rubio is dead in the water. None of that matters unless or until someone emerges who has a plan to change the Electoral College. That means winning some states that no Republican has won since 2004 or maybe even 1992. You’ll know such a candidate has arrived on the scene when you see them taking unorthodox positions and nonetheless getting showered with campaign cash donated by enthusiastic supporters. Rand Paul wants to be that guy, but he isn’t.
My point, which I expanded on in a July 2015 piece, was that Rand Paul couldn’t win either the nomination or the presidency unless he ran aggressively after Democratic and independent voters and got them to the polls.
He’ll never win if he doesn’t bring new voters into the process, but his real task is to catch on with voters who have been siding with the Democrats in recent years. He’ll need that crossover appeal to make up for some of his unorthodox positions which will lose him votes from the traditional Republican coalition.
My verdict was that he’d never pull it off and therefore wasn’t a serious threat.
The third piece of conventional wisdom was that the debates were a big problem for the GOP in 2012 and that it would help to have fewer of them and in more GOP-friendly forums. As soon as this idea cropped up, I shot it down.
If the Republicans are hoping to go through debate season without anyone ever puncturing their right-wing media fantasy bubble, these reforms are not going to be fully productive. And, in any case, if the candidates are cheering the death penalty and talking about the sanctity of marriage and how “severe” their conservatism is, and the wisdom of a self-deportation immigration policy then it won’t matter who the moderator happens to be.
It’s true that the Republicans had too many debates, but so did the Democrats. And it didn’t appear to hurt the Democrats at all. It made Obama a better debater.
It says something that the GOP wants to have a primary season without allowing anyone to watch or question what they are doing.
My point was that fewer debates wouldn’t make “legitimate rape” and the like go away. I think I’ve been vindicated in saying that it was the content of the rhetoric and not the format or frequency of debates that turned people away from the GOP.
The fourth piece of conventional wisdom was that Jeb Bush’s candidacy would keep Rubio out of the race. I shared the idea that Rubio would find it hard to fundraise if Jeb was also running, but I saw the bigger story as the insanity of Marco Rubio giving up his Senate seat to run for what looked like a long-shot bid for the vice-presidency. It’s not that I predicted that Rubio would run, it’s just that I thought it was bizarre that he was even considering it. Even as late as March, I didn’t think Rubio was willing to act stupidly enough to make a candidacy worth launching.
The fifth piece of conventional wisdom was that Wisconsin governor Scott Walker would be the perfect candidate for Iowa. Here, I’ll admit that I thought Walker would be more popular with the base, at least in the early part of the campaign. I knew we was severely lacking in charisma, but he was a fighter who had had some real successes battling liberals and progressive organizations. I’m still not sure why he didn’t get more credit for those accomplishments, so I admit to being wrong about this one, too. On the other hand, I was always highly skeptical that Walker would hold-up once the glare of the campaign exposed his lack of personality.
The sixth piece of conventional wisdom was that Super PACs would dominate the race. Not only did I never believe this. I never wrote about it one way or the other, except to note that money given to campaigns goes further in buying television advertising because of the discount campaigns get from the television stations.
The seventh piece of conventional wisdom was Donald Trump wouldn’t run for president. I didn’t believe he would run, either. It wasn’t that I thought he’d be unwilling to give up his television show. It was just a boy who cried wolf thing. He’d talked about running so many times before without following through on it that I thought it was just a way to get people to talk about him. But I was wrong, just like most everyone else.
The eighth piece of conventional wisdom was Trump wouldn’t do well because Republicans disliked him. However, as soon as he declared by calling Mexicans a bunch of rapists, I began saying that he’d do well. And every time he said something outrageous like that he didn’t like prisoners of war, I said that it would make him popular.
And this relates also to the remainder of the list. Basically, the conventional wisdom was that Trump’s incendiary remarks would hurt him at some point and that Jeb would benefit. At every point, I predicted otherwise.
The last piece on the list is that Trump would suffer after the terrorist attacks. I never predicted that either, although I did wonder about why he didn’t suffer in the piece I wrote just before this one.
On the whole, if you were relying on conventional wisdom to help you understand or predict this campaign, you would have done much better reading my stuff. But I think that the same is true for a bunch of other bloggers who also seem to have a better grip on what we’re dealing with with the modern Republican Party.
I bet on politics at Predict It. I start every day by going to see what you have to say, Martin. I’ve done very well by putting my money where your mouth is…
I’m accumulating Cruz shares in all the caucus states right now. I hope I don’t start a day anytime soon and find that you’re shorting him!
I don’t bet on politics but come here for the same reason, for super thoughtful and insightful political analysis. No one is correct 100% of the time but Martin is spot on far more often than anyone else I can think of who is currently writing or blogging.
In the 2008 cycle, before I discovered Martin, Al Giordano kept me sane. When Al stopped blogging, I found Martin (perhaps from a link on Al’s website). The two of them are similar in their uncanny ability to see what others don’t.
I’m surprised Martin hasn’t gotten more acclaim. At some point, I’d expect to see him get plenty of time on CNN or at least MSNBC. Still wouldn’t be surprised to see this unfold over time.
Right on Booman!! Please keep up the great work and thank you for all the time you spend doing it.
Here’s an odd one; Drudge citing TASS:
And separately Sputnik via Russia Today on a story allegedly released to Russian journalists by the Kurdish YPG:
Putin’s payback front-paged by Matt Drudge, why? The frenemy of my friend is my frenemy? Cats and dogs living together…? It is going to be one hell of a year this one coming. All bets are off.
Difficult to make many correct calls before it’s known who will actually enter the race.
I too didn’t expect Trump to run (it’s not such an easy task). But when he did, the opportunity he saw wasn’t mysterious: none of the other candidates could talk “teabag” and he could. Once in, CW was that he wasn’t a serious candidate. That was wrong, Trump always considered himself a serious candidate. What tripped up observers was that he wasn’t as invested in the outcome as others are. If he didn’t get good poll numbers, he could always drop out and say it was a lark. After all, he isn’t a professional pol and he’s enjoyed himself immensely watching the pros flounder.
I did make one major error that the CW’s folks shouldn’t have. I’d never seen Jeb? on the stump and had no idea that he was so inept.
Doubted that Paul could even preserve Brand RonPaul and he’s done much worse than that.
Always saw Walker as charisma challenged and sort of stupid. Jindal is also charisma challenged and his wingnuttery and religiosity has made him stupid.
Carson is Alan Keyes v. 3.3.
Mr. “Oops” might have had a chance in a less crowded field to draw the Rmoney card, but alas, his stupidity did him in. A lot of effort behind the scenes has been going into getting Rubio and Bush into that position. It’ not exactly working but not yet failing.
Can’t believe Christie is still in the race. What would make the 2016 campaign one of the best ever is if he gets the nomination and then is indicted.
Does anybody like Cruz?
Was the surprise to me. I understood he wasn’t bright in an IQ way but thought he must be at least ignorantly charismatic or at least combative. Who knew a governor could be such a clunk; what were they doing, hiding him in a closet up there in Madison?
Nobody likes Cruz but they never have; that’s why he’s not just wicked smart but nasty too. He hates the world and is determined to get even.
I notice that an interview Cruz recently gave on his ‘strategy’ has been recycled a few times in analysis pieces; burped up after having been ingested whole by Politico and others. I think Cruz is playing the GOP establishment media like a fiddle; never mind Trump’s parade of earned media. Money couldn’t buy the spectacle that the corporate media has staged to Trump’s benefit. The GOP elite are publicly panicky without viable strategy or credible aspiration. Bread and circuses, you bamboozling bastards; it’s a two-edged sword.
This whole sad parade in spite of a concerted effort on the part of the RNC to not repeat the cage-match embarrassment that firmly established ‘klown kar’ in the national political lexicon last time around. My favourite bit was Newt Gingrich’s thirty-minute populist documentary framing Romney as a plutocrat. One laughs even now; Newt Gingrich?! Jeez that was a great election, Rove at the finish; thanks Obama! Small wonder the GOP was feeling bruised. But 2016 is shaping up orders of magnitude worse. It’s not just a potential defeat but a public train-wreck in 3D. Sometimes I really do laugh out loud. Trump is an avenging monster turned on its enablers. Cruz is the assassin. One expects Cthulhu any moment, or perhaps the SMOD (@smod2016).
My concern is that unlike-able Cruz condescends to accept the spot as Trump’s VP; just like Nixon and Cheney before him. Imagine Trump with a better plan than Roger Stone’s? If they get a majority of delegates between them it could be hard to resist. It would be the Devil’s own election.
Look at Jeb? Brownback flopped in 2008. Pawlenty flopped in 2012. While almost any Republican with a pulse can beat a Democrat in Kansas, Walker won because his DEM competitors make Martha Coakley look dynamic.
Walker is a sneaky loathsome character but has the administrative skills of a political novice. That combined with the fact that he actually looks dumb is why I didn’t think he would be a strong candidate. Not that I projected that he would flame out in two months or even before Iowa.
One can delegate the campaign administration stuff, but the talent must be slick and completely loyal and also allowed to be the tail wagging the dog. IOW — the candidate has put it all in the hands of his staff and follow their orders and at the same time publicly appear to be in charge of the campaign. As GWB did and probably to the same degree what Reagan did.
A Trump/Cruz ticket.
The Devil’s own election.
Yup.
Auden’s statement was perhaps accurate for its time:
“The public” now…potentially the majority of the electorate at any rate…has quite apprently not learned what “all schoolchidren” learned in Auden’s 1939. Why? How? because the entire U.S. social and educational system has been decontented into some kind of sappy moral relativist/situational ethicist/multiple choice test, that’s how and why. The decades of misedumacational chickens are about to come home to roost.
Watch.
Why do “they” hate us?
Because we murdered their relatives and robbed their resources.
Duh!!!
Trump and Cruz?
As God sadly shakes his head and walks away.
If those two are elected…and I think it is a distinct possibility that if they run together they will be elected…if those two are elected?
So it goes.
Down like a motherfucker.
Let us pray.
Or continue to be preyed upon.
Later…
AG
Conventional Wisdom is just another word for ‘Polemics of an incurious WASP, upper-middle class centrist/conservative media held on an invisible leash by their corporate pimpmasters’.
Any perceived accuracy comes from having first access to the information trough, passively eliding the opposing viewpoints of leftists, and using people further to the right of Lindsey Graham as bad cops.
Thinking about the governor parodox, particularly regarding Walker. I think the key problem is that a governor actually has to do things. The GOP orthodoxy is so crazy now that either the governor must 1) do exactly what the orthodoxy says, and thus destroy the state’s economy and much of the infrastructure people rely on (see: Kansas), or 2) compromise in some way. Either way the governor will piss off a lot of the GOP base in the process. They’ll still reelect him instead of the Demoncrat, but he’ll be uninteresting in the presidential race.
In Walker’s case, in particular, he really did ram through a whole host of ALEC-sponsored legislation and exec orders, however as Wisconsin is a purple state he had to do so in a way that seemed centrist. That “seeming” centrist killed his presidential primary campaign, as the perception of the average non-Wisconsin GOP voter was that he was a moderate.
How many GOP Senators have been elected POTUS in the past hundred-plus years? I’m only seeing one and he only lasted 29 months. Nixon might be the only other one that was a Senator before becoming VP and later President. Far more DEM senators ascended to POTUS and VP. So, perhaps they’re just playing the odds (which they also liked for Colin Powell and Petraeus.)
Senators rarely get elected. The last senator before Obama to get elected? JFK. The last one before JFK? Like 100 years previous. So right around Lincoln’s time!! So a GOP senator hasn’t been elected President in at least 140 years.
The last one before JFK was Harding – 1920; somewhat after Lincoln’s time.
Including Senator to VP the difference between the two parties is even starker. (I did forget Quayle (who can remember the guy?) in my prior comment.)
Obama and JFK were SEN-SEN tickets. The GOP does nominate Senators for the Presidency and VP, but they don’t win and not sure they’ve ever run a SEN-SEN ticket. A GOV-SEN ticket is also more rare for Republicans than Democrats. A SEN-GOV ticket seems to be a rare bird (last winner was Harding-Coolidge and last attempt McCain-Palin). IOW, it’s rare that a SEN isn’t at the top or bottom of a Democratic presidential.
And now we will be running either a current Senator or a previous one term Senator.
It’s not as if there’s much of a DEM GOV bench to draw from.
Mine is 77 years old. Your next to last one is in prison and last one lost his re-election race to a novice. At least Brown is an able enough administrator that Meg Whitman’s $150 million wasn’t enough for this novice to beat him.
I’d take Brown over Clinton in a heartbeat.
Don’t get too excited. He’s a bit more advanced than Clinton on a couple of issues and is a more able administrator, but he too has drunk the neoliberalcon kool-aid.
Well, I’d take Blago over Clinton in a heartbeat too. And, yes, vote for him again as Governor. As Illinois pols go, he wasn’t that bad. He was convicted for trying to sell the Senate seat, but there was no smoking gun and I believe his claim that he wanted political favors not cash. it was Jesse Jackson’s brother that offered him cash and on tape, but he was not convicted.
Started to say that I prefer crooks, liars, and cheats that are smart enough not to get caught. Then remembered that the dumb ones steal a lot less.
And you must remember that for 90% of my life the Mayor was named Richard Daley.
A reminder that the “good old days” in politics weren’t often all that good.
That’s a compelling argument against Republican candidate governors. It frames Christie’s dilemma too.
The two best – and in a league by themselves – are E J Dionne and Charlie Cook. There isn’t a blogger alive who knows half of what each of them knows – Dionne in particular.
How have I done:
I saw someone running a Bradley type race against HRC – with similar numbers. I did NOT see Sanders doing so well, nor did I see him blowing past where Bradley got to in Iowa.
This was still better than the conventional wisdom which said Hillary would not be challenged seriously.
I will take credit for being ahead of the conventional wisdom on Cruz and on a challenge to HRC.
But then no one cares….
Not a good blanket rule for the first three states to vote. Absent variables such as “favorite son” or near neighbor, in-state party apparatchik sign-ons, religious, racial, gender ID, money can buy the votes. Can because it depends on how effectively it’s used and if the candidate has a decent enough like:dislike ratio. After that, including through the general election, more money wins at a much higher rate than less money.
iirc, Cruz has a SuperPac flush with money. Not as much as Jeb?, but still the most of any of the other candidates. He and his dad have been working the Iowa fundies since 2013 — he lost a lot of ground with the teabaggers when Trump jumped in. The fundies are all he has now and that isn’t a plus in NH.
I give you Dionne but Charlie Cook? Seriously?
I’ll still come here to read anyway, BooMan. 😉
It has been almost 10 years now since I signed up. (UID #623)
Regarding Walker, I think it’s become clear that Republican primary voters are post-accomplishment. They are 100% invested in having their rage-filled world view validated, to hell with the consequences. They don’t have actual policy demands; policies are only important if they somehow stick it to someone, and they don’t have to be consistent. I knew this was somewhat the case long ago, but I underestimated its depth until after Donald Trump’s poll numbers rose after trashing POW’s (the actual quote insulted all POW’s, not just John McCain).
So the appetite for a “trojan horse” who can dupe independents and then ram through conservative policy nirvana in 2017 was just never there. Any acknowledgement that the Republican nominee needs to appeal to the non-batshit insane robs the Republican primary voters of their top priority (regardless of whatever “top concern” they claim in the polls): validation that batshit insanity is good, proper, and mainstream.
GOP candidates deliver a subtle threat to N.H. Republicans
12/28/15 10:40 AM–UPDATED 12/28/15 11:23 AM
By Steve Benen
Polls in New Hampshire have been fairly steady for quite a while. Donald Trump has held a consistent lead among Granite State Republicans for months, but his backing has struggled to reach the 30% threshold – suggesting he could be vulnerable to one of the more establishment-friendly candidates, if this faction of the GOP weren’t already being split five ways.
The New York Times reported the other day that Jeb Bush and Chris Christie, both of whom are betting much of their candidacies on the first primary, have started pushing a new line on the campaign trail in the nation’s first primary.
On Monday night, speaking at the Christmas-bedecked American Legion hall in Alton, Mr. Bush picked up where Mr. Christie left off.
“New Hampshire has a special place in our democracy,” Mr. Bush said at his 27th town-hall-style meeting, alluding to its tradition of holding the first primaries, shortly after Iowa’s caucuses. “I, for one, will entrust the voters of New Hampshire to make this decision disproportionately more than any other place. I’m totally confident that you all will maintain your position as first in the nation, that you will be discerning about this.”
Of course, few have suggested New Hampshire won’t maintain its first-in-the-nation status, making this a curious thing for Bush to say.
The implication is subtle – Granite State Republicans wouldn’t take kindly to being threatened – but the underlying argument is that if Trump maintains his lead and actually wins the state’s primary, New Hampshire’s special status could be at risk. After all, the thesis goes, if the state’s GOP voters are going to deliver an important primary victory to Trump, maybe the state should no longer be trusted to have an advantage other states might handle more responsibly.
So Jeb! is saying that if NH votes for Trump that obvious anagram Reince Prebus will take away NH’s early primary date as punishment?
Except the anagram can’t do that because “first in the nation primary” is enshrined in the NH constitution. Either party could refuse to seat delegates selected in the primary, but that wouldn’t change NH’s status as “first.”
if you want to understand the republicans that have hijacked the party, if you want to read what those people are thinking and saying, the best place i have found is the open threads at http://conservatives4palin.com/
better than red state, free republic, breitbart. except for their idol worship of palin (although who knows what would happen if that whacko actually entered the race) i think they articulate quite well the neurosis, mindset, anger, hate, ignorance, etc of the republicans who have coalesced around this whole trump thing.
of course reading that stuff might make you gag uncontrollably. or worse.