The Athenians ostracized their greatest military commander, Themistocles, for nothing much whatsoever, perhaps for simple arrogance. Those who failed in battle often suffered the same fate. I don’t think this was a wise policy. You can lose a battle and still be an accomplished military officer worthy of trust, or at least continued citizenship. But there’s also something to be said for punishing failure. And this never happens to our political pundits.
When a pundit fails in as spectacular a fashion as Ross Douthat, there’s some justification is asking for his resignation. It’s okay to make a call, to stick your neck out, and to wind up being wrong. And we don’t want a system where people are afraid to make bold predictions.
The thing is, when you are as confident as Douthat was that Trump would not be the nominee and you have been that dismissive of your critics or anyone who disagreed with you, then you lose so much credibility that it reflects poorly on your employer.
The New York Times doesn’t have that many slots for their opinion writers, and I don’t think they can afford to continue to use one on someone who’s now a punch line and a laughing stock.
They’ve already gone through enough tough times with plagiarizing reporters and Judith Miller’s Iraq fiasco, and it just seems to me that they ought to be protective of their brand and show that they’re willing to hold an opinion writer accountable when their opinions are proven to be laughably and (most importantly) aggressively wrong.
I’m not calling for Douthat’s head out of malice or spite. I’m sincerely talking about what the New York Times should do as a news organization. They ought to protect themselves and their credibility rather than continue to treat their opinion page as a no-accountability lifetime sinecure from which no one ever gets fired.
Do Brooks and Dowd still have jobs?
The only person wrong enough to actually get fired from a WaPO or NYT’s opinion slot is Bill Kristol.
Bill Kristol was repeatedly wrong on questions of fact that any idiot could have checked on the Internet. Douthat is a bad and deeply dishonest writer, but I don’t think a bad prediction, no matter how far off the mark, is a firing offense in the same sense.
Not the prediction, it’s the aggressiveness of his attitude both in print and on Twitter. It’s the whole package.
Too bad vapidity isn’t a fireable offense. Neither Dowd nor Brooks would have survived past one column if it was.
They [NYT] ought to protect themselves and their credibility rather than continue to treat their opinion page as a no-accountability lifetime sinecure from which no one ever gets fired.
That’s a joke, amirite? Not snark. Really.
IOW, stop making sense. The NYT ceased making any sense a long long time ago. Why start now?
None of these douchebags, I mean zip, zero, nada, zilch, bupkiss, is ever gonna admit that “True Conservatism” ™ was wrong from the beginning. “True Conservatism” served the PTB very well and was inordinately successful for the psychopathic grifters who ripped off the rest of us. “True Conservatism” served it’s purpose and goal very very very well. It pitted the proles against one another, whilst fleecing us all down to our bones.
The fact that it’s no longer “working” does not take away from the FACT that it worked extremely well for well over 40 years. Why would the NYT begin to tell the truth about that? It’s their bread and butter, after all.
Just because a recipient of rightwingnut welfare was barkingly wrong about Trump is meaningless. So what? All those skeevy lying waste of protoplasm/oxygen “pundits” have been liars since time immemorial and usually wrong about many other important things.
The PTB may be presently on the ropes, but don’t you worry, matey. They’re scrambling, and when they get their sh*t together, watch out. Not a joke. Not snark.
Nah, Chunky Reese Witherspoon worshipping Douchehat won’t get the boot, even though, in a fair world he should have been kicked to the curb/tossed under the bus long ago. But, as they say: life’s not meant to be fair.
He’s just following the the proud, wrong tradition of Kristol and Friedman.
Heh. The pontificators are getting on everyone’s last nerve:
“The amazing part of the story is that the establishment types pay no price for being wrong in really big ways in their areas of expertise. This is best exemplified by Friedman himself. He can be wrong on every single thing he writes, every day of his life, and it will not in any way jeopardize his standing as one of the country’s most respected commentators on policy and politics.
And he wonders why the public is angry.”
* http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/04/opinion/trump-and-the-lords-work.html
Dean Baker…http://cepr.net/blogs/beat-the-press/thomas-friedman-s-grand-bargain-scheme-lie-about-the-folks-you-
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I call bullshit.
As a number of commenters have already pointed out, Douthat’s got more than enough competition in the wrong predictions department, such as (my favorite) William Kristol, and they’re all still punditing away.
Second of all, the comparisons with Jayson Blair and Judith Miller are completely illegitimate. Douthat committed no violation of journalistic ethics, he was just wrong. And mind you, he’s paid for his opinions, not facts.
If he is fired, it’s because he’s a scapegoat, pure and simple.
Bill Kristol actually was fired from the opinion page at the NYT’s for being wrong.
The only known example of this happening.
Thanks, I had forgotten.
I will say this, then. I don’t think Douthat is anywhere near as bad a columnist as Kristol.
I rarely agree with Douthat, but unlike Brooks, or Kristol, or MoDo, or Friedman, at least he presents a coherent argument about something comprehensible.
Did he sign a contract with a non-compete clause?
“What a lovely modern form of feudalism…it used to be that serfs were attached to the land..nowadays, serfs are attached to the corporation.” (evagrius said)
https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/non-competes_report_final2.pdf
He can’t get fired now.
Think of the comedic gold between now and November, as he tries to justify voting for Trump.
They missed the best tweet, or if it’s there I’m not seeing it for some reason.
“The entire commentariat is going to feel a little silly when Marco Rubio wins every Republican primary.”
https://twitter.com/douthatnyt/status/647401086056271872
A handy reference for what George Carlin referred to as The Club. There’s just one. Some don red suits and some don blue suits for the entertainment of the rubes.
But if they fired Douthat for this, they’d have to fire Tom Friedman for the Iraq War, and David Brooks for probably 60% of what he’s written.
I mean, I’m not saying Douthat should keep his job, but if they were to be protective of their brand in that manner, they should apply it fairly.
Please make it so…
To be fair I didn’t think Trump would be the nominee either until I took a look at the rest of the field and realized how absolutely abhorrent everyone else was – then I thought – well why not? Everyone else sucks and Trump hit enough populist notes and inconveneint truths (protect SS, trade, Bush President during 9/11 and bathrooms) to make him seem enough of straight shooter vs the same-old, same-old BS that I ended up explaining to my friends why Trump winning the nomination made sense.
c.f. Friedman, Brooks
Douthat get fired?
Maybe.
If he does it’s because his name resonates badly on so many levels!!!
Doubt that?
At your own peril.
Ross Douthat.
It’s Dickensonian for “bad pundit.”
AG
P.S. Reince Priebus is in the same running.
Prince Rebus.
“Reince Priebus” is more …Tom Wolfe. A name for a spoiled brat, silver spoon -fed executive who is a puzzlement and a total fraud.
But still…
Douthat needs to go, and Brooks, and Dowd, because they’re all fucking idiots who need to be fired…and because, beyond that, the Times had to get over this ridiculous attitude they seem to have had for the past 15-20 years, where they seem to believe that they’re “not allowed” to have liberal commentators — that they “must” hire conservatives to write their columns because the Times‘s reputation as a liberal paper means they “owe” us conservative voices.
Maybe the argument made some feeble sort of sense at one time, but when they hired Douthat (from the Weekly Standard!) it became ridiculous. It’s a remnant of the Bush era when every news organ became a right-wing shill (and the Times had Dowd destroying Gore while that absolute moron Frank Bruni pimped for Bush, and Judith Miller did her “yellow cake” bullshit, for which she was, rightly, jailed). It’s an abomination and it must stop now.
The entire paper’s opinion page should be fired, including Krugman. You know, some “disruption”.
Yes, let them experience a little of that “creative destruction economics” they so assiduously tout.
They can work a minimum wage job. I hear that once you raise the minimum wage as high as $15/hour people will quit their Respectable Jobs and go work at McD’s. Well, here’s your chance to find out how great The Poors have it.
Why Krugman? He’s a pretty informative resource and since being a NYT columnist isn’t his “day job”, his thoughts aren’t simply warmed over versions of what everyone in his social group is saying, which is what most columnists write. And I don’t recall him being a cheerleader for “creative disruption”.
I’m guessing it has something to do with not supporting Bernie.
No, then I’d have called for the same to happen in 2008 when he didn’t support Obama.
Don’t you think it’s important for a lot more diversity in opinions?
Sure, but I don’t think you need to fire a good liberal columnist to achieve more diversity. Hacks like Dowd and Friedman should certainly be fired for being mediocre.
Hey, cut NYT some slack. When Bill Kristol became an inescapable embarrassment, they felt they had to replace him with another conservative. Douthat probably really was the best they could do.It’s not like there’s a big talent pool on the conservative side. Who would they get to replace Douthat that’s any better?
This guy.
Excellent writer. Totally sane.
If this guy represented the Republican party, the country would be in a much better position.
https:/goplifer.com
They should start with Dowd, who’s written the same shitty column over 1,000 times now. And it’s so stupid that it doesn’t even rise to the level of being wrong.