Michael McAuliff and Matt Fuller report for Huffington Post that it doesn’t look like Speaker Paul Ryan has the votes he needs from his own caucus to pass Trump’s health care bill on Thursday. It certainly looks like the head of the House Freedom Caucus, Rep. Mark Meadows of North Carolina, feels confident that he and his colleagues will stick together enough to either compel further concessions or to torpedo the bill entirely.
Of course, the White House and the House leadership are signaling confidence, but that seems to be partly a negotiating tactic and partly for show. It does seem like they gained about seven or eight votes out of New York State by inserting “a last-minute special provision in their health care bill that would shift Medicaid costs from New York’s counties to its state government.” But, making moves reminiscent of the Cornhusker Kickback that was so heavily criticized during the passage of the Affordable Care Act could lose Ryan as many votes as it gains.
Maybe that’s why Ryan embarrassed himself so profoundly after Trump met with his caucus today:
Speaker Paul D. Ryan was upbeat. “The president just came here and knocked the ball out of the park,” Mr. Ryan said. “He knocked the cover off the ball.”
Does this sound like he knocked the cover off the ball?
More troubling for Trump and House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), however, was that they do not appear to have won over Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), the chairman of the House Freedom Caucus.
“They do not have the votes right now,” Meadows said, adding that he doubted his colleagues would get on board if leaders delay the vote.
“I’ve had no indication that any of my Freedom Caucus colleagues have switched their vote,” Meadows said. “I’m not giving numbers. There’s still more than enough to make sure that we need to continue the discussion.”
Meadows had earlier indicated that the Freedom Caucus won’t vote as a bloc, so individual members will peel off. But I don’t think Ryan comparing the president to Babe Ruth is going to materially help his position. If Trump were Babe Ruth, then the following would have worked:
Trump used both charm and admonishment as he made his case, reassuring skittish members that they would gain seats in Congress if the bill passed — and singling out Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), the chairman of the hard-line House Freedom Caucus, in front of colleagues.
“I’m gonna come after you, but I know I won’t have to, because I know you’ll vote ‘yes,’” Trump said, according to several Republican lawmakers who attended the meeting. “Honestly, a loss is not acceptable, folks.”
But it didn’t work, as Meadows’s subsequent comments make clear.
The official line, for now, is that no further changes to the House bill will be allowed and that the Senate will have to make any fixes. I don’t know if that’s going to comfort any doubters, as it’s not likely that the Senate could pass anything more to the liking of the Freedom Caucus doubters than what exists now. And I don’t think the moderates are keen to vote for this bill that would strip north of 20 million people of their health care coverage if it is just going to die in the Senate.
Maybe it’s time to start the blame game for why this bill couldn’t pass. There must be some way to blame it on the Democrats. Right?
Or maybe Trump will pull a rabbit out of a hat. He’s supposed to be such a great negotiator, after all.
Trump and his hand-puppet Spicer are threatening House members with losing their seats if they don’t support the bill, no matter what their constituents say. Trump was revitalized by another of his pep rallies and he expects his minions to fall in line, so he’s oblivious to the angry crowds who are yelling about the disaster of a plan.
We’ll see who has a spine when the vote happens.
Right now, I am still figuring that the odds of passage of this bill in the House, let alone both chambers, is about that of a coin toss. I am cautiously optimistic that the worst outcome may yet be avoided at least for this current Congress. Considering that I was convinced that we were going to be heading to the pre-ACA “bad old days” I would call that progress. In the meantime, our household has certainly kept pressure on our Senators and Rep. They may be as red as you can get, but a couple of them were rattled by town halls in the last month or so. So maybe we dodge a bullet. Time will tell.
Mark Murray has the list of potential no votes:
https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/844255035873775616
Most appear to me to be from red seats, and so Trump may not have leverage. In addition, both McCain and Rubio won despite distancing themselves from Trump, so Trump’s threat may not have much effect.
I would still bet on passage though.
But it would be so great to see the Tea Party types blow Trump up.
Nah. They can’t count. Ever:
Boehner aborts attempt to bring House bill on debt ceiling to a vote – live blog
No reason to believe Scalise and Ryan can do better than Boehner, McCarthy, and Cantor. In fact, rather than pulling bill, they may force it to floor anyway at Trump’s insistence.
And the Dow tanked in the afternoon.
I am still betting on passage, but it would be so great to see this all crash.
Already not getting to 50 in Senate. Cotton, Lee, Paul, Murkowski, Collins are definite “no”. Even Boozman(!!!) sounding iffy. Already two dozen House Freedom Caucus opponents, to say nothing of the R’s like Issa in districts Clinton won. We shall see.
The Senate is a completely different question. I hazrd nothing wrt to it.
Alternate counts here; again no one in California
This might just kill it:
Repeal would leave fewer without insurance than the GOP plan.
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“A loss is not acceptable?” “I’ll come after you?” Those are the words of the “closer,” of the “master negotiator,” the “Art of the deal?” I’m surprised Ryan didn’t ask to call him “champ.”
I honestly believe that the RatPubs are…by and large…stalling for all they are worth in the hopes of either a totally crippled Trump presidency, a forced retirement or an impeachment. That’s why Schiff got the handoff from Nunes yesterday. Schiff was tasked with being the attack dog so Nunes and his RatPub friends could say “Honest!!! We didn’t bring these things up!!!” when accused of opposing Trump. They cannot wait to get rid of him, but they also cannot be seen as taking the lead by their constituencies. Not until the Trump cat has been so thoroughly belled that all the little mice will flock to take a piece of him, anyway.
I must admit…I can’t wait, either.
I think that Steve Bannon and Roger Stone are the two most dangerous men that we have seen in the U.S. since Joe McCarthy.
Well…maybe the Nixon/Kissinger duo should be included in there, too.
Whatever.
AG
P.S. Strangely enough…or maybe not so strangely…what single person is an integral part of all of those histories?
Yup.
You got it.
EWWWWwwwww!!!
It’s enough to make you want to believe in…
Yup.
Trump steps aside, and President Pence, looking extremely Presidential, if not Imperial, is able to pass everything Trump couldn’t.
I’m wouldn’t bet on Trump leaving the White House before 2020. Or before 2025. At least not yet.
I suspect the same thing will happen when they try to pass a budget.
It will be continuing resolutions from now until Trump goes to prison.
Not betting against Trump, yet, as he’s showed remarkable tenacity, and his voters are of the ilk that they’ll never want to admit that they’re wrong.
That said, Trump’s main strength is with his voters, not with the Republican establishment. My speculation is that most of the elected Republican pols, along with most of their PayMasters, would prefer to see Trump long gone and not all that beholden to Trump.
Even though Trump has promised untold wealth and goodies to the already obscenely wealthy, I’m not so sure that the Republican establishment is ready to go for this stinker of a bill.
Time will tell, of course.
It’s funny that Trump’s telling them they won’t get reelected unless they vote for this piece of shit. They know that they’re screwed either way. My guess is the biggest (by far) screwing will come if they destroy the ACA. How does one explain that to people loosing access to health care? Cheeky words like “freedom” ain’t gonna cut it.
My guess is they’re far safer voting against this piece of crap. Right-wing groups like Heritage will give them cover. They get to play both sides in that they can claim the repeal wasn’t brutal enough while not having to deal with the real human beings who are going to die or see loved ones die as a result of their actions.
What confuses me is why Trump ever got on board with this Paul Ryan wet dream. He would have been better off reaching out to Democrats. He could have offered to restore the risk corridors and add a public option. Maybe even taken on big pharma. The kinds of things that are truly populist. Then dared Republicans to oppose him. Then he could have claimed to be a true man of the people.
in addition to all his other problems, T appears to be a lazy bum – too much effort to do anything except play golf in FL
This will be the third (2 muslim bans) try for a win. A loss makes him a loser and someone will pay.
Why in heavens name would anyone believe anything these people say?
For years and years, Gingrich, Boehner, McConnell, Ryan – they are all liars!
Trump and his crew are just more blatant/brazen about their lies.
Q: Who the f*uck can take these people seriously anymore?
A: Morons and racists and most of the time the media – and sadly this country has more than it’s share all of them.
Try talking that smack face-to-face with me and see what happens. Stop putting up with this BS and call it out every.single.time!
It’s really not that hard people!
Bud: “A repo man spends his life getting into tense situations.”
Time to repo our country, morals, integrity and values.
Either way, repeal or not, Republicans, reportedly, lose on this one. Knock wood I’m not sick yet, but in the 50-64 category slated to lose the most if ACA is reduced to AHCA. So easy for me to just plan to cancel my healthcare.gov policy when the price quadruples. And after all I’m not surprised since it was clear when Democrats passed ACA 7 or 8 years ago that the way they did it wasn’t going to ensure it would take hold. Typical Obama.