Since he works for the “failing” New York Times, I don’t imagine that Ross Douthat has much juice with Trump supporters, although he probably has somewhat more influence with the Capitol Hill crowd. He’s reflective, at least, of a small subsection of the conservative movement that has only recently become truly uncomfortable with the modern Republican Party. I can’t say that what he thinks and writes doesn’t matter at all, in other words. He’s representative of a class of people who ran the GOP until very recently. They have wealth. They either buy ink by the barrel or get paid by those who do. They know how to operate in the corridors of power. What they don’t seem to know anymore is how to win a Republican primary.
And based on what Douthat wrote today, they’re ready for Trump to be removed from power either through impeachment or by Trump’s cabinet invoking Section 4 of the 25th Amendment on the basis of the president’s mental incapacity.
Referring to Trump’s war on his own Attorney General, Jeff Sessions, Douthat writes:
So it’s basically madness all the way to the top: bad policy, bad strategy, bad politics, bad legal maneuvering, bad optics, a self-defeating venture carried out via deranged-as-usual tweets and public insults.
He then approving cites a dated piece by Megan McArdle in which she makes the case that George W. Bush would have been removed under the 25th Amendment if he had suddenly begun acting like Trump at some point during his second term:
…the only possible explanation for such a quick succession of stunning lapses in judgment would be a severe stroke, an aggressive brain tumor or some other neurological disaster that had rendered [Bush] unfit to continue in office, at least until it could be treated. I don’t even think this would be controversial, even among his supporters. “Poor fellow,” they’d murmur, “the strain of the office has destroyed his health. He has given more than his life for his country.” Time to let him rest and heal while someone else shoulders his Sisyphean burdens.
And then Douthat concludes:
Trump hasn’t had a stroke or suffered a neurological disaster, and his behavior in the White House is no different from the behavior he manifested consistently while winning enough votes to take the presidency.
But he is nonetheless clearly impaired, gravely deficient somewhere at the intersection of reason and judgment and conscience and self-control. Pointing this out is wearying and repetitive, but still it must be pointed out.
You can be as loyal as Jeff Sessions and still suffer the consequences of that plain and inescapable truth: This president should not be the president, and the sooner he is not, the better.
I, of course, wholeheartedly agree with all of this, but I think we really do ourselves a disservice if we focus on sideshows like his treatment of Sessions. I know full well that underneath the Sessions insanity is some kind of panic and desire to avoid legal scrutiny, and that this controversy has the most immediate potential to cause a constitutional crisis. But it’s Trump’s insanity that is the real reason he should be removed. It’s the risk involved in having him handle our nuclear weapons and be responsible for dealing with the nuclear weapons and ICBM’s under development in North Korea. It’s a close look at how he’s going about setting our policy in Afghanistan based on 19th-Century ideas about colonial exploitation of mineral resources and claiming the spoils of war. The man is nuttier than a Snickers Bar, and a real live demonstration of The Emperor Wears No Clothes fable. I don’t care that he routinely incriminates himself. In fact, that makes it easier to make the case for removing him. What I care about is that he’s in charge of the largest and most lethal arsenal ever assembled on Earth, and no human being can safely trust him with that responsibility.
I’m glad that Douthat and his ideological kin see things largely the same way that I do, but I wish they’d make their argument more urgently and with more focus and punch.
Eh. Cardinal Douchehat would be perfectly happy with Trump and all the retrograde crap he’s pulling as long as Trump acted more like Pence. I’ll believe any republican will move against Trump when I actually see one act against Trump.
This. A thousand times this. It’s classic Republican Detachment Disorder (to borrow a phrase from Driftglass). Trump is the id of the GOP. GOP water carriers like Douchehat, David Fucking Brooks and the rest of them helped create this. They don’t take issue with the policies, they just take issue with how baldly the Popular Vote Loser brings them to the public.
Douchehat had no issue passively letting the likes of Malkin, O’Reilly, Beck, Hannity and the rest work long and hard on weaponizing the stupid and when it has now blown up in their face…Republican Detachment Disorder.
The useful idiots took over their party and now these Very Important People want it back, hence crap like this from Douchehat. Douchehat is simply ejecting clouds of ink to obscure the fact that he (and others like the aforementioned DFB) is stripping off and burning his lab coat, notebooks and mad scientist goggles, fervently hoping we don’t notice that his decades long career in mainstreaming the worst impulses of the GOP base helped create this shambling monster now ravaging their castles with the pitchfork and torch-wielding villagers at the monster’s side.
Sadly it’s completely unlikely this will cost him lifelong sinecures in the Liberal Media.
This X 1million. Hat tip to Driftglass.
Whut? Chunky Reese Witherspoon Douchbag wants his money back? Yeah, no.
You built this Cardinal Douthat, you broke it, you own it, it’s yours.
My prediction: there will be no 25th Amendment “solutions” eminating from the GOP-led Congress.
Nah gunna happen.
Get real.
emanate from (at least originate in) the cabinet, not Congress? IIRC, they get into the act later. (Maybe that’s what you were referring to?)
… a significant cross section of Republican thought leaders and, accordingly, voters have rationalized support for Trump on the grounds that he is an imperfect instrument for advancing a legitimately conservative agenda.
Most of these people have a strongly favorable view of Sessions and are aghast at Trump’s treatment of him. If Trump casts Sessions out, to use Biblical language, these selfsame people shall be wroth. That, along with the ongoing problems getting anything through Congress, could well throw these people over to your side on the impeachment/25th amendment issue.
No offense, but I think that’s wishful thinking. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
Look I was just visiting relatives in the Deep South of Alabama. You know: KKK Kountry & Jeff Sessions land. My rellies had NOT. ONE. PROBLEM. with how Sessions is being treated. NOT. ONE.
They are quite prepared to see their former KKKlan Idol be tossed under the bus, if it means that their new Lord & Master Trump remains BIGLY in charge.
Yeah, anecdotal, but that seems to be the general drift across ‘Bama.
I’ve heard different things.
It’s also interesting to peruse NROs comment section. They are divided on this.
IIRC, the National Review is ground zero – at the time – for NeverTrumpers.
Only split now, seems like a move toward Trump actually.
During the last stage of Watergate, then Defense Secretary James Schlesinger drafted a confidential memo to the Joint Chiefs telling them to ignore any Nixon military initiative that didn’t Schlesinger’s signature also attached to it. Pretty sure Mattis has already drawn up a similar confidential memo regarding Trump. This is important because the GOP Congress will continue to be a completely irresponsible and cowardly caucus (surprise, surprise).
A couple of real world checkpoints.
By this time in the Bush II world, the conservative Supreme Court had corrupted our election process, Republicans had already squandered the surplus, Cheney was meeting with oil people to gut regulations on drilling, etc, they were already scheming about Iraq and in just 7-10 days Bush was about to receive the ‘covered your ass’ daily briefing.
Trump is clearly a lunatic, but so was Cheney- who was running the show – it wasn’t obvious yet.
Bush II won the 2004 election even though he never mastered English, was a complete fuck up and Darth Cheney was now a proven serial liar, same as Trump.
The Republican base are conscienceless misogynists, bigots, and racists who will NEVER tolerate having their clear ‘win’ and empowerment to be assholes in public taken from them. NEVER – not if there are pictures of Putin whipping Trump’s bare ass, not if it’s proven Russia hacked the election vote counting machines directly and changed the vote totals in PA, MI, and WI.
NEVER. The only changes will come at the ballot box.
Agree X 1million.
The GOP sees themselves in the Catbird seat, which they ARE. And they’re not going to let a trivial detail, like the Fact that Trump’s clinically insane or has dementia, stand in their way. Why would they?
The preponderance of their base LOVE Trump. Truly, they LOVE him fiercely. So douchebag elites like David Brooks and Ross Douthat have suddenly had epiphanies about the GOP base? So what?
Nay verily I predict that Trump will be re-elected BIGLY in 2020. Sorry to say it. Hope I’m wrong.
I read elsewhere that Trump could walk naked onto one of his rally stages and begin humping the podium whilst spouting out gibberish (and, ick, other “stuff”), and the Fans would simply go wild.
I don’t see anything stopping the Trump Train, myself.
Again, hope I’m wrong.
Douthat has come to the belated realization that Trump is a fascist. He’s perfectly comfortable with right-wing authoritarianism/white supremacy but he doesn’t see a role for people like him in a true fascist dictatorship.
That is not accurate on Douthat’s view of Trump. As he wrote in early October 2016:
“Months ago, I worried that Trump was too authoritarian to be entrusted with the presidency. That worry has receded a bit, because authoritarianism requires a ruthless sort of competence that Trump cannot attain.
“But fecklessness in the presidency can be as destructive as malice, and not just to the country: A disastrous chief executive can do devastating damage to his own political ideas.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/opinion/sunday/trump-and-the-intellectuals.html?mcubz=2&_r=0
There were a number of conservatives who had sounded the alarm as tRump was increasingly within reach of the White House. If anyone had ever told me a decade ago that I would very occasionally see eye to eye with Douthat, Max Boot, and a few others, I’d have told them they were barking mad. And yet here we are. Crazy times.