I am going to have to delve into this study on the reasons people share disinformation on their social networks. I didn’t initially think it would be of much interest to me, but I turned out to be very wrong. The impulse towards creating chaos and destruction coming from marginalized groups, or groups losing status, probably has a lot to do with not only why Donald Trump was elected and retains substantial support but also with why people are continuously shooting up schools, college campuses, malls, concerts, county fairs, movie theaters, and innocent bystanders of all types.
Thomas Edsall does a good job of taking a initial look at the results of the study, and I recommend his piece to you. One interesting thing to know is that 24 percent of the people surveyed said they felt “society should be burned to the ground,” while 40 percent said we should just let our political and social institutions “burn.” Additionally, 40 percent said “we cannot fix the problems in our social institutions, we need to tear them down and start over.”
The people who answered these questions affirmatively were highly correlated with support for the president and somewhat less correlated with support for Bernie Sanders. They were negatively correlated with support for Hillary Clinton and, I imagine, they are probably negatively correlated with support for Joe Biden too.
The self-proclaimed societal arsonists were also the ones most likely to share disinformation while knowing it is false.
The basic impulse is anti-establishmentarianism, and this gets into a theme I’ve been wrestling with now for years. While I have wish list of progressive reforms a mile long, my primary motivation for being involved in politics is simply to deny power to nihilists, particularly nihilists of a conservative stripe. The way to do that is to get power for yourself, which entails becoming the establishment that everyone loves to revile. In the end, I want our government and our leadership to be responsible and informed by the best available information. I want our media to do a good job of being an establishment press rather than pretending that we’ll one day get our news only from blogs and alt-weeklies. I want people to believe in the power of government to do good and big things, and I want that faith to be justified. So, I don’t really want to tear down the establishment, let alone simply sow distrust and chaos. I want the establishment to do a much better job of running the country and of exercising leadership around the world.
Yet, sometimes it definitely feels like things are so rotted through that only a cataclysm that disrupts everything can give us the fresh start we need. For many, Trump was supposed to be that cataclysm but his presidency hasn’t made anything better. At most, it has clarified to a lot of people what the GOP is all about and made clear why denying power to the Republican Party party is paramount in my value system. But it hasn’t given us any kind of fresh start.
This also touches on my complaint about the left in America, as exemplified by the Democratic Party, has now bought into the idea the world should be understood primarily by identity rather that economic status. When coal miners in Kentucky start a protest to get their back pay, that is something the left should be all over like white on rice. But the coal miners are white, conservative in outlook and work in a county that gave the president something close to 80 percent of their vote. These folks are gravitating to a fascist form of right-wing populism because they accurately perceive that the left has nothing to offer them. When the left abandons working people because they work in the wrong industry or hold some retrograde beliefs, those former diehard Democrats don’t sit on their hands. They become advocates of chaos. They fuel fascist movements. Some of them lash out with senseless violence.
The left is in denial if it thinks there are communities that don’t need their full-throated support, particularly communities that undergoing massive economic contraction and loss of status.
I don’t want to make seem that these developments are solely or even primarily the fault of the left because they are not. Attacks on unionized labor have had a cumulative effect, and the right has stoked religious, racial and nationalist passions for cynical short-term political advantage. Conservatives are the originators of the anti-establishment message that the government can do no good.
But the left can’t cooperate with this and gladly pick up the suburban support that comes their way in a realignment. If the right becomes the party of the socially and financially marginalized in any community, it instantly leads to the most dangerous and un-democratic kinds of governments. For one thing, the people left behind start sowing chaos with one of the new powers they have, which is their social media accounts.
There’s a cost and tradeoff to everything, but the left can never forget that it’s number one job is to feed the hungry, clothe the poor, protect wage earners, make sure people get health care, and provide upward mobility and economic fairness. When the left gets sidetracked from its core mission, it empowers the worst instincts of people on the margins and it endangers literally every progressive advance of the last century and a half, as well as the peace of the world.
The liberal left is consumed with fighting the culture war until death… I’m just about as liberal as they come, but I’m not getting side-tracked by the pronoun battle, etc. b/c we lose the sight of the war on nature and the war against international mobsters. At the point, the only attractive presidential candidates left are Biden and Buttigieg.
That’s funny because to me Biden and Buttigieg are the most unattractive of the candidates, and especially from an “economic” point of view. Biden sees them as friends, not mobsters.
As liberal as they come….really?
But not as liberal as the liberal left, apparently.
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion about who the “attractive presidential candidates left” are (although at some point I’d be interested to hear how and why Biden (longtime Senate defender of big banks) and Buttigieg (former McKinsey consultant) are, in your view, the best (only two?) remaining candidates who will keep sight of “the war on nature and the war against international mobsters”).
From my perspective, one of the heartening aspects of this primary season is the breadth and depth of highly qualified and attractive candidates running for the Democratic nomination. Bill Clinton was basically the John Hickenlooper (or Steve Bullock, or Jay Inslee) of 1992. Now those guys (note: I’ve got nothing against any of them) can’t even get traction because the bar has been raised so high.
Facts not in evidence. Job “training” is bullshit. And neoliberalism did reorient the world economy and coal is going away. But Rand Paul tells them to eat shit and has nothing to offer but will win landslide elections (whose votes may or may not come from these specific people). As more white voters (or rather, different types) are flooded into the GOP and the guard rails against racism continue to fall down (been my entire adult life, perhaps entire life), and as our institutions have been hollowed out by mediocre elites, organized reactionaries took advantage. The reactionaries and “chaos” voters have these sentiments at all times, it’s whether they’re indulged and allowed to propagate.
None of this is an argument to “abandon” anything. Make the political argument for our economic program, but no one can force them to give up their sweet racism.
Your point on Rand Paul is the key. The left gave Appalachia what little they actually have, and now they’re not interested in helping them anymore. That makes it easy for Rand Paul to pander to their worst instincts and win their support.
The Democrats could be in Kentucky 24/7 talking about health care, but they’ve written them off as hopeless. On the ground, there is a good chance the Democrats will win the governorship, so the local party is alive. It’s the culture of the party as a whole that makes it next to impossible to known off McConnell or Paul, or to have any chance whatsoever in a presidential race.
They could but it wouldn’t matter on the federal level. In many ways the filibuster continues to be the main problem here. We can’t have accountability if voters don’t believe you’ll enact what you say, in both directions. Matt Bevin is in trouble because despite campaigning on getting rid of Medicaid, voters didn’t believe he was serious. People don’t believe Paul Ryan’s budgets were real because no one is that cruel. They simply don’t believe it. And so, Bevin acted on it in a way that McConnell has not, and that is taking away a benefit many in the state depend on. And even with that, and even with a solid candidate, he might still win re-election.
You might see hope in that, I see it as hopeless. KY is gone forever. Kansas has potential, though. And that’s mainly because it was destroyed by a True Believer in Brownback.
I don’t get this. If Kentucky can support a Democrat for governor, why can’t they support Amy McGrath for senate? Is she too progressive?! As for president, Kentucky has been solid GOP since the 50s, except the three times the Democrats fielded a southerner: Carter, Clinton, Clinton. The state has 8 electoral college votes. The Democratic candidates are in primary season, not the general, and are focused on the first four or five states voting in the primary. Biden and Sanders should be campaigning in Kentucky?!
It’s very hard to be motivated to help those with a stated intention to destroy you and everything you stand for.
And are just so damn upset they can’t use the n word at the grocery store.
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Too many on the left want to be the Daenerys like leader VS simply making the world a better place. That’s why they cancel out any who disagree with them, even if you are a voting ally. I’ve noted this goes across the liberal spectrum, from extremely leftist all the way to centrist.
I’ve seen people declare war on Sanders supporters. I’ve seen people declare war on Biden supporters. I’ve seen people declare war on Williamson supporters. I’ve seen people declare war on trump supporters who voted for Obama.
Please be assured, these people don’t actually want to win, they want to rule. IMO these are the types who end up becoming a Hugo Chavez.
So OF COURSE they are not going into places and building up the party and the movement. They can barely stand their own allies. West Virginia is a fucking golden opportunity. But we’re dealing with too many Daenerys types to see it.
If you really want to get this country and planet functioning, you/we will have to swallow our pride and open up some communication with people who disagree with us.
This bubble living is stupid AF and it’s killing us.
If by “the left” we primarily mean the white left, then I think Nikole Hannah-Jones terrific essay, “The Idea of America”, that serves as the opening to the NY Times’ 1619 Project contains some helpful advice/perspective:
“This nation’s white founders set up a decidedly undemocratic Constitution that excluded women, Native Americans and black people, and did not provide the vote or equality for most Americans. But the laws born out of black resistance guarantee the franchise for all and ban discrimination based not just on race but on gender, nationality, religion and ability. It was the civil rights movement that led to the passage of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, which upended the racist immigration quota system intended to keep this country white. Because of black Americans, black and brown immigrants from across the globe are able to come to the United States and live in a country in which legal discrimination is no longer allowed….
And to this day, black Americans, more than any other group, embrace the democratic ideals of a common good. We are the most likely to support programs like universal health care and a higher minimum wage, and to oppose programs that harm the most vulnerable. For instance, black Americans suffer the most from violent crime, yet we are the most opposed to capital punishment. Our unemployment rate is nearly twice that of white Americans, yet we are still the most likely of all groups to say this nation should take in refugees.”
Black Americans—both historically and today—offer a model for the rest of “the left” in creating a politics of, for, and with the marginalized…whoever they may be.