It’s just one survey, and a survey taken in the atypical window of Donald Trump’s impeachment trial, but the results of the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll are still instructive. If we were to take this poll as gospel, we could reach some conclusions about Trump’s chances for reelection and who presents him with the biggest threat.
Looking at the overall results, Republican pollster Bill McInturff of Public Opinion Strategies described it as Trump’s best NBC/WSJ poll in three years, and that’s largely attributable to an increase in the intensity of his support. While that intensity is currently at a high point with his base feeling defensive about his possible removal from office, the bottom line is that he doesn’t look weakened by the impeachment saga. The bottom didn’t fall out, and it’s hard to see how anything could cause it to fall out short of a new recession.
Yet, he’s still trailing nationally against Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Pete Buttigieg. Thing look murkier when the sample is limited to 11 battleground states. The margins shrink for Biden and Sanders, and Warren and Buttigieg actually trail. At face value, this means all of the leading Democrats would win the popular vote, but only Biden and Sanders would win the Electoral College. Of the four, only Biden is leading in the battleground states outside of the survey’s 3.1 percent margin of error.
As I’ve explained repeatedly over the last four years, the Democrats dependence on suburban voters is their Achilles heel. Nowhere is this more evident than in the polling of capitalism vs. socialism.
Fifty-two percent of all voters say they have a positive view of capitalism, versus 18 percent who have a negative opinion.
The numbers are reversed for socialism, with 53 percent having a negative view and 19 percent a positive one.
Yet there’s a striking difference by party and age.
Democratic primary voters have a net-positive impression of socialism (40 percent positive, 23 percent negative), and Dem voters ages 18-34 view it even more favorably (51 percent to 14 percent).
But key general-election groups like independents (-45 net rating), suburban voters and swing-state voters have a much more negative impression of socialism.
If you set aside your personal feelings about capitalism vs. socialism and approach this as an analyst, it’s easy to see why Warren and particularly Sanders are risky candidates. They are weak in the wrong places. The surest way to lose this election is to underperform in the suburbs and fail to run up the overwhelming numbers needed to offset Trump’s rural advantage in battleground states. This could be offset in only three ways, and one of them, winning over independents, is not going to be easy when they have a -45 net opinion of socialism. Another way to offset the rural advantage is to boost turnout in the cities and especially among racial minorities, but Sanders and Warren run weakest with this segment of the Democratic base. The final way is to eat into Trump’s rural support, and that’s what Sanders and Warren would have to do. I believe they both have the potential to accomplish this, but at the cost of suburban support and possibly depressed enthusiasm in the cities. Their true strength is with the youth vote, and that could give them a boost in almost every area of the country. Still, the overall picture is a giant red blinking danger sign.
That perception is backed by other numbers, too.
Still, 49 percent of all voters say they are “very uncomfortable” about Trump when it comes to his re-election bid in 2020.
That’s compared with 43 percent who are “very uncomfortable” with Sanders, 36 percent with Warren and 35 percent with Biden.
If we consider the “very uncomfortable” number as a proxy for the likelihood a voter will vote for Trump despite misgivings, or sit things out because they hate both of their choices, we can see an echo of the socialism numbers.
There’s a danger that you’ll find what you’re expecting to find in survey results, but this is most definitely what I expected the public to say based on my diagnosis of the 2016 election. It’s why I begged the Democrats not to double-down on the suburban strategy just because it was easy. The surest way to lose in 2020 is to build a coalition around an urban/suburban consensus and then nominate someone whose best potential is on college campuses and potentially in rural areas where the overall polarization of the suburban strategy has made it hard to break through.
Ironically, a successful economically populist/progressive candidate actually needs white working class voters. They don’t need to win a majority with them, but they have to be competitive. A Democratic Party that is reliant on the suburbs is not built to win on a Democratic/Socialist platform, or even a left-wing Democratic one.
The result is that even a very unpopular Trump who has been bleeding support and congressional seats in the suburbs could be reelected precisely because he doesn’t lose badly enough in the areas surrounding Philadelphia, Charlotte, Atlanta, Tampa, Cleveland, Detroit, and Milwaukee. Another popular vote drubbing coupled with an Electoral College win then becomes very possible.
It seems to me that the Democrats are at risk of making two potentially fatal mistakes. The first is to chase the easy winnings Trump offered by alienating the suburbs rather than seeking to stem or even reverse this polarization, and the second is to nominate a candidate who wants to remake the electorate in exactly that way after the party failed to do any of the prep work.
The future of the party is written all over these poll numbers, with Democratic voters aged 18-34 having a 51 percent to 14 percent positive opinion of socialism. But 2020 is the present, not the future. Everything is riding on the Democrats winning the suburbs by staggering margins, and the party would be crazy to run a candidate whose policies make nearly half of suburbanites “very uncomfortable.”
I did not want the suburban strategy precisely because I favor a more economically populist/socialist platform. But my advice wasn’t followed, so now I have to warn against thinking it’s safe to pursue that platform this year.
Having said that, if I had to vote today, I’d probably still go for Warren simply because she has the best chance of threading the needle and holding the suburbs while offering good policy that can also cut into Trump’s advantages in his areas of strength. But I simply can’t commit to her because her missteps have me worried that her upside simply cannot pass a simple risk/benefit test.
There was nothing either you nor I could do about it. It was baked into the cake in 1964-1968. We have no choice. No differing “choices” were to be made. Candidates matter on the margins. Everything else was determined by original sin of our founding.
I’m feeling pretty fatalistic, but I don’t think people are powerless in the face of historic forces.
I don’t think we are completely powerless to historic forces, but I’m a lot less sanguine about our ability to make real choices when our elites refuse to fight currents etched in stone. In this instance, the Democrats didn’t have much of a choice, but the Republicans did. They chose to go with their reptilian supporters, leaving us with little to no choice at all. Biden would win by bigger margins than Sanders or Warren. It’s true. But would he govern in a worthwhile way when he only gives us +2 juiced margin compared to Sanders? I don’t think so.
Warren was my choice after the summer, but now I lean Bernie from electoral standpoint. I’m allowing my Iowa betters to make the choice for me. Bernie or Liz, whoever makes it out by Super Tuesday. From there, it’s out of our hands.
Sounds like we need the biggest GOTV operation to date. Possible with the intensity on our side, too.
The suburbs turned hard against Trump and his Republicans in 2018. Nothing indicates they are turning back. The toxic racism, sexism, and hatred of education was a potent repellent for socially liberal suburbanites. He has doubled down on that brew since then. The tax cut has also had time to play out, and lots of suburban folks got screwed hard on their 2018 taxes. Any of our candidates are infinitely more socially tolerant than Trump. So being in a party who will rationalize the tax code while being much more socially tolerant is a good place to be for those folks.
It’s precisely because the Dems won all these suburban districts in 2016 and 2018 that they now stand to be divided and defeated if their candidate doesn’t reflect suburban attitudes on economics. Again, Trump will be slaughtered in the suburbs, but that happened four years ago against a candidate running 100% for suburban support, and she didn’t win the suburbs by enough.
The backlash you’re seeing against Sanders right now, and to a lesser degree against Warren, is a reflection of the fact that the majority-making part of the Democratic Party is far to their right.
A good number of voters in 2016 voted for an economic shakeup. Turns out they got conned into electing folks who doubled down on the policies that led to the conditions necessitating a shakeup. Most of those folks have come to regret that vote. They still want that shakeup.
The backlash from the moneyed classes shows that Warren and Sanders have struck a nerve. Hard. That says they are on the right track.
We want Trump out no matter what. It doesn’t matter who is supporting who at this point, we will crawl over broken glass to vote him out. Details like how far economically left to go can be debated once a Democrat is in the WH and we control Congress.
“We want Trump out no matter what.” Genuinely curious: who’s the “we” in this question?
I am certainly one of the “we”. That man needs to step away. Why do you ask?
Thanks for the question.
For a couple of reasons:
1) Because I couldn’t figure out who No Straight Lines was referring to. Was it 2016 voters who wanted an economic shakeup and voted for Trump? Was it those who support Sanders and/or Warren in 2020? Was it those who “will crawl over broken glass” to vote Trump out? Was it some other group of voters?
2) Because, as our gracious host reminds us above, a plurality of the popular vote wasn’t enough to win in 2016, and a plurality (or even a majority) of the vote may not be enough to win in 2020. Barring some major, unexpected event, it’s going to require some significant number of voters who are going to have to be persuaded not to vote for the Republican.
(1) yes
(2) if the economy turns south the road will be much easier. Otherwise we need to work for high turnout.
Okay, thanks. FWIW, here’s the problem (at least, for me) with your answer to my #1: those are different, and in some cases, mutually exclusive groups of voters with (presumably) different motivations and persuadable (or not) by different arguments and different people and (perhaps) different candidates. By tossing them all in the same blender (so to speak), you make it pretty much impossible to have a discussion about voter persuasion, mobilization, and turnout.
As for your #2, yes, if the economy crashes in the next few months, it will almost certainly make it harder for Trump to win. The problem is there aren’t strong signs pointing towards an economic collapse in the next few months, so it’s not a scenario on which to base a winning campaign strategy.
Finally, if high turnout won presidential elections, President Clinton would be completing her first term in office. What wins presidential elections is state electoral votes.
Serves me right for not checking back until now. Here’s my further explanation: a lot of occasional voters turned out for Trump because he was running as the business insider/government outsider who would reform the system because he knew where the bodies were buried. And where the loopholes were that needed closing. Those folks were turned off of Hillary by the mighty right-wing Wurlitzer aimed against her.
Trump has alienated those occasional voters because he has not fulfilled any of his “populist” campaign pledges. He turned out to be just another Republican after all.
Folks still want the changes that Trump loudly promised and spectacularly failed to deliver. Affordable healthcare, a fair tax system, and good-paying jobs with good benefits.
Masscommons, the “we” is referring to us here in the Pond and folks on the political left in general. I’d sure crawl over broken glass to vote him out, aa I’m fairly sure most all of us would.
Like Jonf, I am also one of the “we” referenced above.
Okay, which “we” are you—a “crawl over glass” we, a “voted for Trump but got conned” we, or some other “we”?
Masscommons, I am pretty sure it’s the former.
Me, I phone banked and voted for Hillary. Living in upstate NY, I heard all about how shady Trump is for a long time.
I didn’t live anywhere near NY, but I remember Trump being mercilessly lampooned by comic strip writers/artists like Berkeley Breathed back in the 1980s. Got the feeling he must be bad news, and responded accordingly. Someone who was little more than a cartoon joke is now destroying the US and the world.
crawl over glass.
I hear (or read) what you are saying. But some of this is really out of our hands. The problem is the candidate you think would be best just doesn’t ignite people.
Biden could still win this thing. But the excitement isn’t there.
I’m for Warren as well. Have been for years. But in the end it’s one person one vote. The party leaders HAVE been trying to steer this thing. That what this last-minute Bloomberg shit has been about. But we are literally in the middle of a transition in this country. Things are changing
These election days are set in stone. We’re going to have to go with the soldiers we have. No choice.
I’ve written before. Bloomberg isn’t my favorite. But his blanketing the country in ads is a godsend. AND he shepherded “Stop and Frisk”. As a Black person, I can’t forget that. But in a state of emergency, I can accept his apology. I officially no longer HATE him. Progress!
The soldiers we have, Booman…….
Great comment. Exactly what I’m trying to say.
My view is more macro. The timing of the next economic crash is everything. If it happens before November, the Dems will win no matter who they nominate. If it doesn’t, Trump is likely to win, but then be in charge when the crash does come.
My fear is that we’d elect a moderate, then see the economy crater, than watch the bloodbath as the new president responds to the crisis with cautious half measures. If that happens, we are well and truly fucked.
So, for the longer term, I think the progressive play is the smart one. I don’t think the risk in this cycle is as great as it may seem, because I don’t think a centrist can beat Trump if the economy is still expanding. And the downside of electing a centrist, in terms of 2024, is much greater than it may seem now.
I agree and have said so before. It’s the economy stupid. Trump will live or die with it. But there is a chance we could still beat him In a relatively strong economy with high turnout and some things that a progressive candidate might propose. Believe it or not I view Pelosi as someone who will obstruct that.