Obama is too smart to willingly fall into the trap that has been set for him. If he complains about the nasty comments coming his way, he will wind up alienating white voters that have difficulty hearing the coded messages. So he is taking the high road and giving the Clintons a mulligan. Of course, this is easier to do when the media (once again) only asks about the comments of Bill and Hillary Clinton and not their surrogates.
Asked how Obama interpreted two recent remarks by the Clintons that prompted an angry reaction from some in the Black community, Obama sought to damp down the racial dynamics of the controversy.
Many African Americans were offended when Hillary Clinton told an interviewer in New Hampshire, “Martin Luther King’s dream became a reality when Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964.”
Some say she seemed to suggest that it took a white politician to fulfill a black man’s dream.
“I don’t think it was in any way a racial comment,” Obama told ABC News. “That’s something that has played out in the press. That’s not my view.”
But, he said, the comment was revealing about her political character. “I do think it was indicative of the perspective that she brings, which is that what happens in Washington is more important than what happens outside of Washington,” he said.
He said he believes the quote betrays a belief on her part, “that the intricacies of the legislative process were somehow more significant than when ordinary people rise up and march and go to jail and fight for justice.”
He called that a “fundamental difference” between them.
Former President Bill Clinton also offended some African Americans when, addressing Dartmouth College students, he referred to Obama’s campaign as “the biggest fairy tale” he’d ever seen.
Did Obama feel dissed? He laughed and shook his head.
But, again, Obama looked past the racial controversy.
Instead, Obama directed his response to the dispute over whether opposition to the Iraq War was consistent. (Clinton has since reiterated that is what he meant when he invoked the “fairy tale” line.)
“Both he and Sen. Clinton have been spending a lot of time over the past month trying to run down my record,” Obama said. “What particularly distresses me is this notion that I wasn’t against the war from the start.
“This is coming from a former president who suggests that he was and nobody can find any record of it,” he said.
On Monday evening, Obama called a news conference to second these points, noting he is: “concerned about the tenor of the race in these past few days,” and stressing that he, former Sen. John Edwards, and Clinton all share the same goals when it comes to civil rights and equal justice issues.
Taking the high road is the correct political decision. But that doesn’t mean these attacks won’t take their toll. How many times have we criticized Dukakis and Kerry for not fighting back? Unfortunately, Obama must play by a different set of rules. If he plays it right, blacks will remember these attacks for a long time, while the electorate as a whole will give him credit for showing some class.
I think he is fighting back, responding with the proper degree of explication and refutation. Right now I think he’s winning the debate. That doesn’t mean it will be that way with the next dustup. It depends on how the media wishes to report it.
I will remember the Clintons during this campaign for the rest of my natural life, and anyone who deigns associate themself with the Clintons or their legacy will find their political capital with me measured in Confederate Dollars.
The Clintons are still attempting to appeal to the Reagan Democrats. Hard to believe that after thirty years, Bill believes they are a dominant political force. Hillary’s campaign as such is a throwback to the 1980s, which makes one ask: have the Clintons lost it or am I so naive to believe that racism is not critical to this election. Or is it that the Clintons belief are leading them in the right direction.
Still, they don’t have welfare to kick around anymore.
He’s a class act. This was a good statement from him.
Yeah, he played it about as well as he could. I worry about this though: since Obama is held to a different standard in defending himself against racist attacks, how does this portend for running against the dirty-tricks GOP in the general? Is he vulnerable to swiftracistboating? It hadn’t occurred to me before now.
Excellent response. True, it’s the only one he could make, but the point is, he knew that. He played it well. Clinton inadvertently gave him a chance to prove his political savvy, and he came through 100 percent. If we lived in a rational society I’d think he boosted his prospects greatly. We’ll see.
He’ll wipe the floor with her.
Edwards is probably salivating…
That’s funny. It sure seems like we’re still waiting for MLK’s dream to become a reality in 2008, never mind 1964.
Yeah Obama knows he is stuck. He is going to try and run an end around and mostly ignore it. Hopefully it will work and he will be the nominee.
I already saw Tucker Carlson baiting Representative Cummings on “isn’t the party (Dems) past this” Cummings stayed positive and said Obama was putting out a positive message. Tucker Carlson’s patronizing line of questioning is only the beginning of the republican bullshit machine and their mock indignation. They will put race on the front burner until the freaking cows come home. Please lets move on.
I’m white I don’t pretend to understand the black experience because I do not experience it. My perspective is different, I can’t fully understand. No matter how many black friends, neighbors and coworkers, I’m still white. I’m not going to fully get it. I know its frustrating to see a white man say racist comments then turn around and say he is not racist. We have seen this with now with many white people(Michael Richards, Mel Gibson are two). But I know we have to move past this because the Republicans are coming.
The republicans will fly halfway around the world to kill brown people and not bother to count them. Think of the Iraqi people and what they are experiencing its bigger then this kind of racism. Its old style holocaust racism. Think of the brown skinned Iranian chidren who will be killed if we don’t stop the republicans. How many of our soldiers who are all different colors. People have to let this go. Move on.
I support Obama. I will vote for Obama. The Clintons and their campaign are wrong for these comments. But I do not want to tear the democratic party apart. In the end we have to stop the republicans.
RE:
“If he plays it right, blacks will remember these attacks for a long time, while the electorate as a whole will give him credit for showing some class.” –Yes you nailed it and that cement is about dry .
As to the MLK/LBJ credit -Obviously both were needed as were the those who made MLK look like the peaceful option.
There were number of bad cops to MLK’s good cop . In fact , MLK was considered a radical until Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael , H Rap Brown and others came on the scene . Another very big factor was the Soviets kept pointing to our race problem at every opportunity -so Cold War pressures figured in too .
We tend to like to cleanse our history in the US .
As one who was around back then and watching everything .The fact is the country was about to come apart – starting with the Watts Riots both MLK and LBJ had an incentive to get some things done . It was a very tense period and as bad as things were – it easily could have gotten much worse and anybody with a brain knew it .
There was a very good book about Malcolm X, THE JUDAS FACTOR by Karl Evanzz. I used to have a copy.
Good book if anyone can track it down.
Yep – I read it. Very interesting book, that talks about the CIA’s plots to kill Malcolm when he traveled abroad.
If I never had to listen to a Clinton again it would be a wonderful day.They are poision to the party and to the country and it is now firm in my mind that she will never get my vote-ever.If she is the nominee we will all be the poorer for it as a nation and as a progressive community.She made a direct assault on a inspiring and generous man that has every right to run but he is in the way to them and they will do everything in their power to make sure no one is ever in the way to their power (which they think they deserve and is owed to them)
Obama has more class in his little finger than either one of them have together.
To be fair I am posting this quote of Clinton’s from her web site today.
“Our party and our nation are bigger than this.”
Too bad she and her useless husband are NOT.
You know…we all have access to Clinton’s website too. I’m sure many people read that and laughed just as hard as I did. In that post, Clinton actually tried to make her campaign’s racist tactics like they were also Obama’s fault. Howzat work?
Jedi mind tricks.
Good for you, you got another dig in against me as well as Clinton, score two for you. I think from the reactions on this site that a good many of you including you Fabooj should examine your hate-ism which is every bit as unattractive as racism.
I’d be really interested in learning more. I hate Bush. I hate Chris Matthews and anyone associated with Fox. I hate Klansmen. I hate my governor…I think that’s about it and I barely give those people a monthly thought.
Who exactly do I hate? And what dig did I make against you?
Why thou hast blasphemed the name of Saint Hillary the Magnanimous, she who was immaculately conceived and is above reproach in all that she doth. Surely there can be nothing but hatred in the heart of one who fails to bow down before her exalted glory and receive the due benevolence of her predestined presidency.
Verily I say unto thee, thou art an hater.
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I got apple juice all over my keyboard and monitor.
I hate you. ;P
What YOU need is a real drink.
But it’s probably too early where you are.
I’m I just changed the clothes over in the washer after finishing up some over-convoluted invoices (Client changed the invoicing process and made it even more difficult. It’s almost like they’re discouraging us from invoicing them!) and yelling at my kids to take a nap and I thought, “Man, I can use a beer. Or a glass of wine.” Then I looked at the clock. 2:45. Damn. As my daughter informed me the other day, “Mommy, beer is evening drinks and wine is for when the kids go to bed drinks. You drink water or juice when it’s day?”
Since you seem to know me so well, I’d be very interested in learning who exactly it is that I hate.
When you have too many windows and tabs open, trying to do billing, ignore my husband/boss and get the kids into bed for a nap.
Would you either post this on myDD or allow me to do so?
This is a wonderful moment for Mr. Obama. The very negative aspect of this stuff is getting to me. I am so pleased when a positive tenor is taking, and Mr. Obama is doing so. He is an uplifting guy.
The bottom line is that the Clintons are campaigning like it is still the 90s, or 2004 at the latest. They are doing this because this art form, developed since the 1980s and 90s by the likes of Roger Ailes, Lee Atwater, and Karl Rove, has been deadly effective up to now, and they (or their advisors and consultants) know how to play the game. What they CANNOT adapt to is the fact that it’s effectiveness could last only as long as people couldn’t find a way out of it, i.e. just not play this game. Both Obama and Edwards are extremely intelligent,and they have found ways to go around it. They are running new kinds of campaigns, and — given an alternative, even just in campaigning styles — people prefer them. That’s why I think Hillary is going to get her ass handed to her if she continues this kind of crap. Of course, if she discontinues it, she’ll still get her ass handed to her.
The cover of Newsweek this week makes me want to puke — a big photo of Hillary with the caption, “I’ve finally found my voice.” If you’ve only just found your voice in the middle of what is probably the most bloated campaign in American history, why would anyone think you know who you are? Anyway, don’t worry Hillary, you haven’t found your voice, you’ve just found your latest gimmick, and I predict a shelf life of not more than a couple of weeks before you’ll have to go scrambling for a new one.
I think Clinton is being set up with the New Hampshire Diebold thing. Keep an eye on it. Just saying.
The thing most troubling about these developments/discourse is that I and so many people I know young and old never had the first thought that Obama was a “black” candidate.
The browning of America has taken us to the point where as with Tiger Woods, his race is not even close to being his defining characteristic. That’s a good thing.
Clinton’s tactic has sadly brought the electorate back to a useless paradigm of labeling candidates as black and while, left or right, male or female.
On another point, good story…
I just came from a business dinner where the conversation turned to the election. We were a group of six in the middle of a not to busy restaurant. The most senior person there told a story of getting in a big political debate with two colleagues who supported Obama. He was in disbelief because he thought Obama had no credibility with fighting “WWIII against Islamist fanatics”
Around the table he asked who we were supporting. McCain, McCain, McCain the answers came back. He got to me last and I said Obama. They were all shocked and I gave my rationale. Much of my reasoning was around Clinton fatigue and his ability to engage and inspire the generations behind me that needed to continue the game. I also said I needed to be convinced he is smart enough to surround him with the smartest people of divergent viewpoints.
A while later the conversation moved to other topics, but an old man (80+) who had been dining in the corner came over to our table as he was leaving and stood next to me. He said he couldn’t help but follow our conversation and he greatly enjoyed the dialog and the entertainment it provided.
He then but his arm around me and said, “But I’m with this guy and his reasoning on Obama. And I’m the old guy”. Knocked them on their butts.
After he left the waitress said we really had raised his spirits. He is a regular and that his wife had just died. This was his first visit back since she died.
love it, bro. Great story.
I didn’t know you had made up your mind. And your vote will count for the first time ever.
Shit bro, I was convinced in 04 that the Dems had nominated the wrong guy.
You were an Edwards guy and so I wasn’t going to get into it.
I was a Kerry guy.
I meant in 08
Nice story – thanks
I think a lot of people are feeling the kind of inspiration that we haven’t felt in a long time.
One of the things I like best about Obama is that he seems to show a maturity that is of a somewhat deeper and richer variety than some of his rivals.
Thanks for this, Booman.
If there is a silver lining to all this, it’s that the race issue got out there on the Democrats’ terms and not the GOP noise-machine’s.
Obama came through it in a fashion that made Clinton look silly for even bringing it up.
But don’t believe for a second that this is over. We’ve still got ten months plus of dog whistle race-baiting before this is settled, and even then there will be more questions, more out of context remarks, and more surrogate sniping.
Important to note that Obama’s message to all of us, was that he is no one’s victim.
It should be offensive to all genders, all races, the idea that MLK and of course all civil rights proponents, somehow needed a white daddy in the form of LBJ the president to accomplish their goal. THAT premise is so deeply wrongheaded that it even offends the memory of LBJ.
This won’t be the last time, and Hillary & Bill won’t be the last politicians to toss this shit out.
via Kid Oakland: this quote from James Carville in the WaPo today:
Just to make the discussion interesting – there’s an alternative strategy outlined at Tapped.
I’m more inclined to blame the Clinton camp myself – after all, for this entire thing to be an Obama strategy, it would be a strategy that hinged on actions by people in the Clinton camp. Like Ezra Klein I find hard to imagine that so many sophisticated people would make this many “mistakes”.
But I will say that Obama isn’t a saint – he’s from Chicago. I’ve been waiting for Chicago politics to start to come into play. And I’m not adverse to believing that once it started he was ready with push back that he felt could help him and harm Hillary. That btw wouldn’t be a negative for me. The GE is going to be rough.
Not necessarily Maryb
. When you look at the statements that began this whole thing, it takes a far stretch of the imagination to see them as racists, i.e. the MLK/ LBJ context and the Fairytale as well.
You really only have to be a Clinton Hater and ready to take your conclusions down a highly illogical path, in my view. So all it takes to bring this racist thing up is to cry ‘racist’…see if you twist this thing around enough you can say that she was saying (fill in your own words here) and therefore that leads to this and furthermore that leads to a strategy and so on.
So the racist cry is heard, everyone runs to find their evidence and proof.
Do we know about releases either camp has made to the press that we are not privy to.
what started this was not the MLK/LBJ thing or the Fairy Tale thing, which are both giant distractions.
Here’s what started it.
Well Booman I just listened to the whole thing and I just gotta say I don’t see anything wrong with it and in fact I think it was very positive and hardly could be construed as racist in any way. Boy you really have to stretch far out and want to find something negative to find that as racist, and please don’t give me a long spiel about how this means this and that means that and so on….I think he was plain as day and not in any way racist.
Further I think he is right that the African/muslim connection is very positive for the view of the rest of the world.,…in that context I think he (Obama) would be excellent.
Diane, On this I disagree with you. There is no net positive after 9/11 in pointing out a muslim connection.
And this:
This is something that white people have said to black people for years. It goes on in my City all the time. Pretty much every election. Racially coded language is used and, as soon as the black community objects, the statement you just made gets trotted out. It is a statement that denigrates the experience and perceptions of the black community. It is meant to say – “pay no attention to those black people …”
I like you Diane. And maybe you are just strenuously arguing your point and not willing to give any quarter. But if you really believe that, then I urge you to start having more conversations with people of color.
Oh for heavens sake this whole ‘coded language’, thing. Saying you have to stretch far to find rasicm in that, and that is what people have been telling the black community, do you think that because of this one thing that I don’t think racism exists and is quite rabid, well that is just not true.
I am looking at this as an objective person(which is what I am), without a preset bias and a without a willingness to hear hidden meanings in everything and why does everything said have some twisted coded language. Gee if I am not careful I will have (coded language and racism) attributed to me if it isn’t already.
In the context of the muslim connection, I was referring to the world view of it, but you may be right about the American view.
I just wish we could have these discussions without eveyone saying well you have to see this in that and if you don’t, well you must be I don’t know what, crazy, stupid, fill in your blanks here.
I have listened to quite a few discussion in the last few days with white and blacks and there are just as many blacks that say they didn’t take these things as racist with some exceptions..now are you saying that I can’t take the same opinion as a black person without being told that I just don’t understand.
If I hear one more time I need to converse with people of color, I will scream. I refuse to give my “people of color” credentials.
What I see in these arguments and discussions I have been having in the last few days is that if you are wanting and willing to see racism/conspiracy you will surely see it.
What I see is that people are so blinded by their hate that they cannot look at anything without seeing hidden meanings and codings.
In all of these discussions it has never been me using hateful language or express hate, but yet it’s implied there is something wrong with me that I just don’t get this whole racism/hate thing. Because I am not willing to see a conspiracy, I must probably be part of it, I guess.
Also in all of these discussions I have been trying to get at the point of the hate, to get people to take a look at what they are doing…is hate natural, must you have it..I’m not saying you Mary, I am saying in general..is it good or necessary to hate.
is it because after Bush we can no longer believe in or about anyone or anything. Have we been so bruised by the last 7 years that we no longer trust at all.
One final statement and then I must go on to answer Booman, none of this is personal about you Mary, I have very much enjoyed our interchanges the last few days, you have been the most balanced, except for your last sentence.
I happen to be one who understands what you are saying and agees with you, Diane.
When did we become a people so determined and focused on hatred? What is it that hating brings to our lives but showing everyone our own lack of self-image and character.
So who will we next hate? So far we have BushCo, but we think they will soon be out of our faces. We have the terra-ists. We have Muslims, we have the far right religious wacko’s, we have the brown people who are responsible for all of our economic and employment woes, we have Iran, but not Pakistan, we have Hillary and Bill. . .I am sure I am missing some, but the list is getting so long.
All I see is irrational and illogical emotionalism. Nothing of substance. Under every rock or pebble there is some dire conspiracy, plot and plan by one group or another. . .and I am supposed to be the tinfoil hat wearer here.
One thing I have seen come magically to the fore in the past few weeks is that suddenly we all know what other people are thinking and what secret diabolical plans they each have. I didn’t realize that so many were in the close inner circle of Hillary or Obama or you name them, that they now know what they are thinking.
Hatred breeds hatred. Nice going folks. The Republican’s have exceed even their wildest dreams on that score. They now have the supposedly progressive and democratic blogs doing their work for them. . .they can coast into the election and not have to put forth much effort at all. And I think it would be a very big mistake to think that it is not possible for the Republicans to come out winners in election 08 as the democrats cannibalize each other.
But carry on with the hating, apparently it is very satisfying for a number of people.
Shirl
his mother isn’t a Muslim, but a nice white Christian lady from Kansas. Why is this hard for you to understand? He’s not a Muslim, he didn’t go to a Muslim school, his father left him when he was an infant and had no influence over his upbringing.
Not a Muslim, mother isn’t a Muslim, had no special insight in what it means to be a Muslim, didn’t get a Muslim education, mother is a Christian, he is a Christian.
Okay?
Now, does this have anything to do with racism? No.
It’s about making people think he is a Muslim, had Muslim sympathies, that he was raised by a Muslim, etc.
But you think it is complimentary? That’s really something.
Sigh, Booman, about the muslim and African from Africa thing, is it not correct that his father was and grandmother is….muslim and CNN (I think)just did an interview with the grandmother and family the other day.
My statement that I thought it helped world view was based on just the perception that a potential and possible president of the US could have come from those beginnings maybe would lead people of the world to think he was more one of them instead of one of us.
But then Mary pointed out that in US that might be unfavorable, and I tend to agree with that, however unfortunate. I was not referring to muslim sympathies and I quite understand the point on that.
I think the main problem you and I and others and I have is that you are choosing to see these words in these manners, and in some ways also you don’t think I should be able to think of these things in others ways than you, that I must be just plain dumb if I do. You are completely disallowing another side to exist. Even though other black people have these same ideas, and they do, I must not, because I am white. Yet I am not alone in these thoughts, I see them quite a bit around the internet and in my own world.
In our world, a little place I like to call Planet Earth, we have people who irrationally hate Muslims and anyone associated with them, and mischaracterizing someone as Muslim has the intended effect of transferring that hatred (mistrust, dislike, etc.) to the one who was mislabeled as Muslim.
But do have fun in your little world…
The quote you refer to was in reference to racism and the current events, I am not sure what ism the muslim part fits in. If you read my comment my conclusion was based on this, I supposed that the world did not have quite the anti muslim feeling that you do, in fact I supposed that the muslim world itself was not anti muslim, and further I supposed that the muslim world was in fact a problem in this current day and situations.
I also supposed that muslims made up a good share of the world and unless anti-muslimism tipped the balance it could be favorable by proximity. As in anything, my conclusion could be wrong, but it is a very subjective thing and you do not hold the exact perfect answer in your hands either.
But you are quite right I am sure that there are many anti muslim people and in that regard I said as above, yes in that context and particularily in the US.
However in the clip I saw of Kerry he was responding to previous statements and I do not know them,but apparently you are saying that he dare not mention muslim in conneciton with Obama or that he referred to the madrassas other than to say it. so here we go again, I must look to there and to there and to there and understand this that leads to that that leads to this and it just must have all come from Clinton’s camp.
Please do not be condescending to me for not buying the premise as suggested, I quite find you in a world of your own as well.
Diane, take a look at this poll.
Where do you think Muslims would fall on that list? Below Mormons, right?
Here’s a clue:
That would place Muslims below homosexuals and above atheists. That’s what Bob Kerrey is trying to do to Obama.
As I said in other comments Booman, I do take you point on this one,I can see what you are saying, it very well could be what you describe, but tying this all together at Clinton I do not buy particularly as a racial strategy..
please stop saying race racial racism.
It is an anti-Obama campaign that employs everything at their disposal. Parts of it play on people’s racism, parts on their aversion to certain black leaders (Farrakhan, Sharption, Jesse Jackson), parts on people’s stereotypes about blacks, parts on their fear/aversion to Muslims, parts on blacks’ prejudices about light-skinned blacks, non-American blacks, fear/aversion of white racism, etc.
It doesn’t all have to fit the description of racism. That focus is all wrong. The point is that it is concerted and it is reprehensible.
Ok ‘racial’, but listen Booman, if the Clinton’s have a “racial strategy” why I think that would make them “racists”, wouldn’t it…It’s still all in the mind of the beholder and I am one of them.
I give up on this Booman, we could go on for days, Everyone on this site has their mind made up, oh there are a few exceptions, but not many. And you will continue to feature this anti Hillary, this site will continue to push it’s hate, the site will continue it’s Anti’Hillary anything, gosh I shudder to think how she might be dressed tonight, and I bet those men will be able to wallop her good so you all can be real happy and maybe celebrate. Cause you all know you have her down. And you all have your links to prove anything you want and any way you want.
It’s all really sad for me, sad about this site.
What do you call the concerted effort to bring Hillary down,as long as it’s not racism, it’s all ok. I could say there is an anti Hillary campaign going on and they are using every method at their disposal,Playing into anti female stereotypes including sexism,nepotism, everything her husband has ever done, everything he hasn’t done and so on and on and on.
No distorting going on about her, what so ever and no cracks about how she dresses and looks. And I am not saying it has to come from the direct Obama campaign, they really don’t need too the Dem party and the media does it for them and all they need to do is say, we didn’t do it..
There is really something very unsavory about blogging and politics.
And fabooj, gee whiz are there really other crazies like me out there that are saying the same things, better watch out for them.
By the way I really don’t want her to be the President because of the way she would be treated.
Diane-
No, a racial strategy is different from a racist strategy. A racial strategy doesn’t insist that blacks are inferior. David Duke ran a racist campaign. A racial campaign merely wants to make voters take up sides according to their race. A gender strategy wants people to take up sides according to their sex.
That is why, in this case, the Clintons are willing to lose the black vote as long as they gain the white and Hispanic vote. They want people to think about their choices in terms of which candidate is on their side, and they want them to think about that choice in terms of race rather in terms of policy or hope or change or whatever.
That’s why the appeals don’t necessarily have to be racist, they only need to remind people of race. That is what makes it a racial campaign.
Take Richard Cohen’s column today (and I’m not suggesting that Cohen is in cahoots with the Clintons). Cohen didn’t say anything racist, or that could even be construed as racist. But he did make a connection between Obama and Farrakhan. Why is this important? Farrakhan is best know for three things. 1) Being a prominent Black Muslim (from Chicago) 2) being a notable anti-Semite, and 3) the Million Man March.
What Cohen hopes to do is reinforce these negative connotations (in the minds of whites and Jews) onto their impressions of Obama. Why? Because if they see Obama remotely in same light as Farrakhan it will make them reject Obama and line up with someone from their own race.
Cohen has his own reasons for doing this. He has not traditionally been a fan of the Clintons. But the tactic is the same.
the only debate is over why people are saying these things, not how they can be interpreted.
What I am telling you is that Bob Kerrey was attacking Obama with what is called ‘faint praise’.
Let me give another example that doesn’t even involve the praise part.
John McCain and his wife adopted a Bangladeshi girl. The Bushies (through surrogates) spread around the rumor that this child was actually the result of McCain’s affair with a black woman.
But when using ostensibly respectable people like former Senator Bob Kerrey or the husband of future Senator Jeanne Shaheen it is necessary to be a little more subtle. Kerrey praises Obama even as he distorts and exaggerates his Muslim roots. The clear intent is to poison Obama’s chances and reinforce an already existing underground campaign among Republicans.
Shaheen says the Republicans will attack Obama over his prior drug use, even as he does it himself. Please don’t inject racism into these attacks, because the racist aspects of them are secondary. They are straight forward attacks. And that is why they apologized for making them.
Cuomo’s attack is more dubious, so I’ll leave it out. But Bob Johnson’s attack was straight up racism…appealing to the racial prejudices of white people and the fear of white racism from black people, and calling Obama an uncle tom at the same time. It doesn’t matter how you interpreted it, it only matters how Johnson’s intended audience interpreted it.
And to be charitable, when you’ve lost Gene Robinson, you’ve lost the benefit of the doubt from black America.
And history is here now. And it is damn ugly.
Booman, I began this debate with you over “the Clinton’s racial Strategy.” This argument/discussion was obstensibly over racism, based on the title of the diary and the continuing discussion I have been having with you and others, and then expanded to include sexism and hate-ism.
The today you say ‘no’ this all started with this Kerrey thing, but that is not racist, that is ? messing with the campaign maybe….but yet we were talking about racism weren’t we when you wrapped up you indictment of Clinton in the referenced diary.
So please note that many of my responses have been about and directed at that, the “Clinton’s racial strategy”.
So now I’m think that this whole thing is about anything about Obama vs Hillary, right, that you think rises to the level of ?, and how she is using everyone to make Obama look bad, that she is telling others to use anything they can to make Obama look bad never minding that it is hurting herself so that she can then get the brown vote, and of course the backlash white vote, isn’t that your premise.
PS I still disagree with you about ‘the only debate is over why,’ so we have finally come to a place in this world where there is one fact we can count on, that there are no possible alternatives to this other than the one you have espoused and I am dog damn stupid for not getting that.
Well I should celebrate now that we have one set of irrefutable facts. alert the world, we now know one thing that is irrefutable.
I ask you, if it takes this much effort to try to convince me of your point of view, maybe that view is just a little to hard to see. Unless of course you do think I am dog damn stupid,.
It was ‘Clintons’ racial strategy’ not ‘racist’ strategy. I thought very carefully about which word to use. The difference is meaning is significant.
Well, yes that’s what we all ended up talking about but that wasn’t what BooMan’s diary was about. He was talking about a strategy. A strategy where race was injected into the conversation to evoke an emotional response.
You know, whether you or I or Fabooj see anything wrong with what Shaheen said or Kerrey said is going to differ. You may see nothing wrong. A strategy doesn’t depend on getting everyone to see the same thing. A strategy just depends on ENOUGH people seeing it.
And if you continue to disagree that the Clintons have this strategy (and you are NOT alone in the blogosphere on this) then at least take it to the level that a campaign would. Campaigns monitor EVERYTHING that is said and they evaluate it even if they weren’t responsible for it. They say – hey look, Kerrey said that stuff about muslims. Is that statement more likely or not to help or hurt my candidate? Is that statement more likely to help or hurt the opposing candidate?
If I was in the Clinton campaign office the day he said that I would have said Hey look at what Kerrey said. That statement, in and of itself, is unlikely to hurt Hillary and on its face is unlikely to help Hillary. But it may hurt Obama because people who are prejudiced against muslims may get a bad impression of him. Now, not everything that hurts Obama necessarily helps Hillary (if it is something that hurts her too) but often what hurts another candidate helps my candidate. In this case, if I was in Hillary’s office I would say – net gain for Hillary from Kerrey’s comments. Maybe it wouldn’t be MUCH of a gain, but definitely net gain.
THAT is what we should be talking about. Not about whether I (a white woman from the midwest) personally find some statement racist. But whether there are people who exist in the world who (rightly or wrongly) would and, if they do, which campaign benefits.
All this talk about racism and hatism … it always gets personal. And it always distracts from discussion of the actual event and its probable impact. I didn’t mean to insult you in my last comment Diane and I’m sorry I phrased it so badly.
There ARE people who hear certain words according to a certain code and they WILL be affected. God knows, it means nothing to me when Mike Huckabee means talks about getting vertical – but apparantly it means something to evangelical christians. Obviously they will be affected by the word differently than I am.
Mary, I liked your comment, there are some parts I would like to further discuss but I have a big headache right now…I am thinking that perhaps we could continue this all in a diary, that I will maybe write later today.
Lord knows I have written just about a book, in the last few days, lots for me who has not written much in months.
Gee I just started to write more and then i remembered my head and I must tear myself away….btw if i do write a diary I think I will start it with the inclusion of your last comment if that is ok.
no prob. use what you like.
I have a headache too but I think it’s from work-related things. Feel better.
The comments started with Bob Kerrey. You don’t need to hate Clinton to see this. That’s not even a logical arguement. I didn’t hate Clinton and when I heard all the stuff this past month, I was just shocked. That goes a lot of people. And if you actually pay attention, at least to the liberal blogosphere, you’ll see people who did despise Clinton even 4 months ago, are staunchly defending this racist stuff with the same lines you’re using.
‘some say he is an Islamic Manchurian Candidate’
‘he went to a secular madrassa’
But that’s a positive!!
A successful code imprints at an emotional level and its success is measured in not only stamping your impressions but in letting that impression override your natural common sense.
If one is going to listen to an experienced politician, one had best be prepared to evaluate just how much spin is being applied and if your brain feels a bit like cotton candy at the end of the interview, well, you just got took. Bob Kerrey didn’t fall off the turnip truck.