Another crack in the doorway that reveals the festering monster that has been created in the laboratory known as the Global War on Terror:
Being an interrogator, Lagouranis discovered, can be torture. At first, he was eager to try coercive techniques. In training at Fort Huachuca, Ariz., instructors stressed the Geneva Conventions, he recalled, while classmates privately admired Israeli and British methods. “The British were tough,” Lagouranis said. “They seemed like real interrogators.”
But interrogators for countries that pride themselves on adhering to the rule of law, such as Britain, the United States and Israel, operate in a moral war zone. They are on the front lines in fighting terrorism, crucial for intelligence-gathering. Yet they use methods that conflict with their societies’ values.
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As you’ll read in the final excerpted paragraph, George is seeking to further legitimize in law the abhorrent practices that have already soiled the reputation of the United States and its troops. The situation is changed now, however, because he will have to get the Democratically-led Congress to go along with his evil plans.
It’s changed right?
More than any other issue than I can recall, aside from the original Shocking and Awful campaign in Iraq, the torture debate has made me feel like a crazy person. How can a society and government look the other way on a topic that causes such a deep revulsion inside my soul? Clearly there’s something wrong with me.
Only, I’m not the only one who recognizes that morality’s boundaries have been raped.
So where is the leadership on this facet of modern-day U.S. policy that should finally have its coffin nailed shut? Lukewarm responses to ‘calls to action’ from the public are unacceptable by the Democrats. And opposition to torture is certainly not going to come from the GOP.
Recall this during the 2008 Campaign’s First Presidential Debate last month:
Both former mayor Rudy Giuliani and Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO) suggested they would support using the technique. Specifically asked about waterboarding, Giuliani said he would allow “every method [interrogators] could think of and I would support them in doing it.” Tancredo later added, “I’m looking for Jack Bauer,” referencing the television character who has used torture techniques such as suffocation and electrocution on prisoners.
The audience applauded loudly after both statements.
There is a large base of people that have sold their souls in exchange for winning against terrorists at any cost. Of course, they do so without having any clear definition whatsoever for either term – “winning” or “terrorists”. Enough propaganda and lack of critical thought processes has allowed a faceless caricature to become the enemy – muslim and/or brown-skinned. If a target meets those criteria, then any action we take against them becomes acceptable to the sheeple.
Is there a light at the end of the tunnel yet? Has the United States woken from its revenge-induced coma following 9/11 (even though Iraq had nothing to do with it)?
On Nov. 19, the Catholic priests were part of a small protest against torture that activists claim the U.S. uses against war captives.
The priests asked to see the head of intelligence or the officer of the day at the fort but were denied access to the fort.
So they began praying, refused to leave and were arrested.
We have not reached the point where public outcry would fight the injustice rained down upon the Fathers, who could really be any protester exercising their right to assembly. Nor has this incident spurned additional protests that raise the volume of opposition. Instead, the military campaign goes on unabated, without the introspection that is required to regain any semblance of morality.
When’s it gonna end?
When’s it gonna end?
Crossposted from Latino Político
Bloggers Against Torture – a worthy group, imo. If you have your own site, consider joining the campaign and adding the logo
Hey Manny, thanks for the logos!!
It is prolefeed.
We are supposed to feel SORRY for these heinous people who “have” to commit such horrible deeds to keep us “safe.”
Utter crap, top to bottom. Not the least point being that any interrogator who wants real information does NOT torture. This well known in the intelligence community, and is not new at all: It has been known for decades.
Torture is done for intimidation, and control.
And because they want to. These guys are not right in the head–They are sadists and sickos.
Thanks for you banner. Nice.
To be clear, I don’t feel sorry at all for the interrogators, which I hope was made clear in the commentary denouncing torture. The WaPo article is a real piece of work, outlining the sadistic minds of interrogators in three different countries.
Fort Huachuca, which is sort of in the area I live, goes out of its way to say that they promote the Geneva Conventions, which imo is utter crap. These “alternative techniques” are streamlined into the system either by official policy or allowing gray areas to be used for dark imaginations to run wild.
That was my response to the original piece – we’re supposed to pity the torturers?
I feel bad for the tortured and their families. To hell with the torturers, it’s where they belong anyway.
Dad, during WWII served mostly as an intelligence officer first as a G2 uner Patton and then in Counter Intelligence. He was an interrogator, and I know he roughed up some people (I know because he told me when I was a jung kid. After he told me he felt so ashamed ( I told hin that that was mean). He never spoke about his service again.
Hopefully, those that do such things nowadays will also be ashamed for the rest of their lives, for they should have thought about their actions before they did such barbaric tings.
“More than any other issue than I can recall, aside from the original Shocking and Awful campaign in Iraq, the torture debate has made me feel like a crazy person.”
Thank you for bringing this to our attention again. I cannot put into words the effect on me of that 9-28-06 vote.
These were the Dems who voted to legalize torture:
Carper, Johnson, Landrieu, Lautenberg, Lieberman, Menendez, Nelson (Fla.), Nelson (Neb.), Pryor, Rockefeller, Salazar and Stabenow.
I put this link in the News Bucket, but it belongs here as well, I think:
There is a large base of people that have sold their souls in exchange for winning against terrorists at any cost.
As in detaining children to force confessions from detainees:
Groups list 39 “disappeared” in U.S. war on terror
I hope Lagouranis puts that noose in his closet to good use.
His whole “pity me, but buy my book” line is nauseating.
Fucking scum, that’s what that guy is: scum. His g/f oughta watch out, he’s probably gonna snap at some point and kill her.