In Malaysia, all a man has to do to win a custody battle with his wife is to convert to Islam. In that case, he can even kidnap his kids after losing in court and no one will do one damn thing about it.
We’ve just witnessed how one religious view can distort the law in the Hobby Lobby case, which might as well have been decided by the Vatican. A pluralistic society cannot long survive jurisprudence like this.
I am against them for me personally, but how does one go about judging what other people want when they enter these contracts? I am assuming you are referencing Islamic and Jewish courts here in the US.
You think the mother of that child entered into a contract?
Oh hell no. Screw the Maylasian decision. I meant more for how it could be relevant here in the US. We have these courts but it’s just like any contract.
I am talking about the SCOTUS being a religious court.
Religion as law is bad. Period, no exceptions. If people want to believe in a magical being to make them feel happier, all power to them. When people start using their belief in that magical being to force other people to do stuff then we have a problem.
It’s also a problem when people strive to put their own fears and delusions into their children. Difficult to know where to draw the line here, but for the sake of their kids and the people their kids would later abuse there must be some line drawn.
Unfortunately, that very thing is at the core of most all the major world religions. It is about control and subjugation. It is also the driver of the indoctrination of children. “Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it. There is a reason that Christian fundamentalists love this verse from Proverbs. This can be applied for both good and for ill. Unfortunately, it has contributed to centuries of psychological torment for people.
“A pluralistic society cannot long survive <strikethru>jurisprudence like this</strikethru>.”
There, fixed it for you.
It would appear that you wish to assert that a pluralistic society cannot long survive, period. That would be a very strange assertion. Please explain.
Because it’s true. Combat and quarrels are the natural state of humans. Different groups only align put aside differences as long as there is a stronger group that requires combining forces to defend against. As soon as that is gone they will divide again and start fighting each other.
Pluralism and the common good is only possible in a society that is fairly homogenous.
Trying to prevent disparate groups from taking a knife to each other the moment they don’t require each other to fight a different group is like trying to stop the sun from rising, it’s lunacy.
Seriously? This is what you believe? Really the main trouble we’re having with our pluralistic society right now is the rather sizable minority of xenophobes–i.e., those who reject pluralism.
At any rate, how you fail to see that the United States is and always has been pluralistic is astonishing. Haven’t you ever heard of E pluribus unum? Or look at our music–American music is one of the glories of the world, and it is predominantly a hybrid of African and European musical cultures. Even country music has a lot of blues in it.
And cowboys? A Mexican-American hybrid. Or how about hamburgers, frankfurters, and wieners?
You really believe that? Damn.
I don’t understand why the SCOTUS decision on the Hobby Lobby case and its later rulings concerning the other 16 methods of birth control, as well as the Wheaton College form exception, did not get more attention. The Catholic hierarchy must have a lot of people in high positions to squelch reactions. Also, these announcements were right before the big 4th of July weekend. I have learned that very little in politics is accidental.
Because the TradMed is ruled by old, rich, white men?
What would happen if all of the employees of Hobby Lobby encorporated themselves, and then we would have one corporation employing or dealing with other corporations?
Note well: If you buy products from organic food company Eden Foods, don’t forget: They’re another company going the Hobby Lobby route.
Mother Jones has an article with more info and a list of 71 companies using the religious freedom argument to defy the law:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/hobby-lobby-sebelius-contraceptive-for-profit-lawsuits