… and here’s an Early Primer on What they have Planned for the Democratic Convention.
The March on DNC is being organized by four groups who support Bernie Sanders, but more importantly support the values and principles upon which he has based his political career and upon which he has campaigned.
The four main groups who have done the heavy lifting to bring this about are:
Black Men for Bernie
Bernie or Bust
The Berners [website under construction]
The Movement4Bernie
These folks already have obtained permits from the City of Philadelphia for the use of several parks for all 4 days of the Convention, permits that they have agreed to share with the Sanders’ campaign when Bernie’s people reached out to them. All of these groups have different agendas and motivations and ideas on how to go forward in supporting Bernie, but on one thing they stand united: the right of Bernie supporters to peacefully rally, petition the DNC, support and celebrate Bernie and the political revolution his candidacy inspired at the Democratic National Convention in July in Philly.
The media has taken a sudden interest in their planned activities in the wake of the Nevada debacle and the “penchant for violence” big lie that the DNC and the Hillary campaign (and David Brock’s paid trolls) have rabidly promoted in the already biased corporate media and online. The organizers of the March of the DNC, however, made it very clear in the following video of their press conference (held on Wednesday last week) that they are committed to peaceful non-violence, or in the words of one of the spokes people, Billy Taylor, showing love for Bernie in the City of Brotherly Love:
Here’s how the local media covered that event and the planned rallies and marches:
The group of Sanders supporters who gathered outside City Hall Wednesday promised to remain peaceful, but said they expect to rally at the plaza outside the Municipal Services Building in Center City.
The group is still holding out hope Sanders will be the party’s standard-bearer. Bruce Carter of Black Men for Bernie says Sanders is the only candidate he can believe in.
“I’m 100 percent Bernie-or-bust in the general election,” Carter said. “Our goal is to register every black male over 18 that can vote so they will have a voice in the general election regardless of who has the nomination.”
Four pro-Bernie Sanders rallies, with estimated attendance of 38,000 activists, have been approved for public demonstrations during the Democratic National Convention in July, the city said Thursday. […]
For the largest of the four pro-Sanders rallies approved, more than 30,000 people are expected to attend weeklong demonstrations called “March for Bernie at DNC,” which will be held at FDR Park in South Philadelphia. It’s within earshot of where conventioneers will gather at the Wells Fargo Center to nominate their party’s presidential nominee.
The rally has been approved for five straight days, starting July 24 and ending July 28. The permit from the city also allows activists to gather each day from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. The “public assemblage,” as the city technically describes demonstrations, could evolve from rally into protest depending on what happens during delegate voting inside the convention.
More importantly, here’s a copy of their press release from their official Facebook Page:
Are you frustrated with the DNC? Has your vote been tossed? Your voice been suppressed? Have you felt silenced by the establishment?
We are organizing to stand together and support Bernie, sway the delegates and super delegates to our side, and ensure the DNC is aware that with out Bernie our vote won’t be with the Democratic Party in November. We have put forth a call to action. We will be peacefully demonstrating at the Democratic National Convention to threaten mass deregistration if the Democratic Establishment continues their election fraud tactics to deny Bernie Sanders the nomination. After voter suppression, dirty politics, and smear campaigns, we will be loud in clear in our message to the establishment: We The People have the power and we vote Bernie.
Our mission is to organize more marches across the country in the same way we did in January, only this time, bigger.
We’ve got time to organize and promote these events. With this amount of time on our hands, we should be able to blow this up bigger than any Bernie event so far.
We want a YUGE demonstration/march at the convention in Philly as well as YUGE solidarity marches across the country to send a clear message to the establishment: WE. WILL. BE. HEARD.
The details are still being worked out, but PLEASE SHARE THIS EVERYWHERE.
To be clear: THIS IS A MARCH FOR BERNIE SANDERS.
We want to make this historical. We need to show the DNC and the rest of the establishment that we are NOT going to stay silent. We the PEOPLE decide this election, NOT super-delegates. We are most likely going into the convention close to a tie with no one securing the delegates needed to win the nomination before that. That means it’s OUR job to be LOUD and CLEAR that we are for BERNIE SANDERS and that they need to vote with US.
You can RSVP at our event here if you will be in Philly, or you can RSVP at one of the many other facebook events created by other passionate organizers!
Please SHARE far and wide! We want this to be as YUGE as possible! Use #MarchOnDNC to share your thoughts/events!
Events planned so far:
#MarchOnDNC – Philly Event by Billy Taylor – March4Bernie
#MarchOnDNC – Philly Event by Steve Okan Layne – Day 1
#MarchOnDNC – Los Angeles by MarchOnDNC-LA
#MarchOnDNC – Philly Event Day 4
#MarchForBernie Against The DNC – SLC – July 24
Deregistration To Save The Nation – by Jimmy Perry
Million Berners March – July 26 & 27 – Black Men 4 Bernie
Full list if events leading up to the convention, as well as during the convention, is found here: Link
Here is their GoFundMe page: March on the DNC!
Need a ride? They have that covered with their ride share program
And rally buses to bring people in for the all Monday July 25th march/rally.
Need a place to stay? Check these out:
More important information will be coming soon (including information on coordinating with the campaign’s events, details on non-violence training, water and medic stations, and much much more, so stay tuned! In the meantime please share this post and the The March on DNC website page on all of your favorite social media platforms.
For myself, I am determined to be there, no matter what. I hope to meet many of you there as well as we share in this demonstration of what real democracy is supposed to look like.
Thanks for you time,
Steven D
Thank you. Real democracy is marching, tweeting, speaking out against establishment Democrats. Let the Republicans have the voting booth. We will be heard!
So real democracy is demanding that superdelegates ignore the will of the voters? That’s an interesting definition.
Here’s a very simple question: what are these protests supposed to do? Bernie won’t get the nomination. The protests will have no effect on the DNC or Hillary’s platform.
If you want to be heard, that’s fine, and I support that. If this is an attempt to create a larger movement, I support that, too. But I’m not sure how this is supposed to be anything other than an airing of grievances.
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Your snark detector needs calibrating.
LOL!
It’s a great day on the intertubes.
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Damn. It’s just that so many people have been violating Poe’s law these days…
I couldn’t tell either. Snark gets harder every day.
At this point I often need to check the commenter’s identity before deciding.
I’m just glad that the Republican candidate in the general election would never, in any way, exploit something like this to turn it into a 1968-esqe shitshow allowing the Strongman to walk into the White House.
#Bern this fucking country to the ground in order to save it.
#WhatCouldHappen?
Is anyone besides Trump and his nuts going to Cleveland? I’ve heard of GOPer electeds bowing out all over the place.
lol at older Democrats wanting so very badly for their traumas of the late 60s/early 70s to be relevant two generations. At least when Republicans wallow in their own irrelevant nostalgia it’s done with nostalgia and a hope for a better tomorrow.
I don’t think you guys have noticed this — I mean, of course you don’t, because you’re still ash-rolling in Humphrey/McGovern trauma — but for a neo-fascist Trump is actually kind of a huge weenie.
I’m 36. I wasn’t even born yet.
You thinking that a march turning into a shitshow doesn’t help Trump is ridiculous on it’s face.
But then again, you know better than me, because you say so, right here in the comments.
All hail TrueProgressivesTM!
#Trump/Arpaio 2016: Because Hillary is just too dangerous.
What bands are playing?
Actually, aside from the snark, if the Republicans put on the show Trump envisions, at least the Democrats will have some eyeballs on the TV waiting for the car crash.
I can’t wait for the whole ‘see, both sides are fuck ups’ media blitz.
Thanks, Obama.
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Thanks for this. Ever since the Democratic establishment took over after 2008 the DNC has declined in effectiveness and increased its authoritarianism. Challenge the hell out of it.
who was running the party before 2008? Some group of rebels who weren’t part of the Democratic Establishment?
Dean had a 50 state strategy that
s-u-p-r-i-s-e s-u-p-r-i-s-e
WON many congressional seats and even the senate.
The democratic party took control of congress and even held it for 4 years.
After Dean was given the boot to be replaced by Tim Cain and even worse by wasserman who ever, they LOST, not just in congress but at the state levels.
If losing election after election and allowing the local republican party to stack the rules in favor of the party of trump, doesn’t wake you the f*** up, what will?
It seems like after 2008 the real operation for them was to make sure hillery got her coronation. Winning in 2012 was nice but didn’t alter their real mission.
It certainly wasn’t about fighting for every seat and making sure the grassroots of the party were healthy and bearing fruit for the future.
It certainly doesn’t seem like they are actually trying to move the party back to being the party concerned with the poor and working class, or getting politicians primarily concerned with those people and the political values that would help them in their day to day lives.
I might be wrong, but why does everything I see about how hollow the party seems to be except for her campaign?
Why do they continuously work against left leaning candidates EVERY time for centrist neo-liberal candidates willing to sell the working poor to the debtors and unemployment ranks while raking in the campaign dollars and contracts?
Funny that given how well they did in 2006 AND 2008 how fast they ripped that apart for a DNC operation that has lost as badly as any political operation,for the last 6 years, except for Obama, and he used his own operation remember.
Sorry but those are the facts.
There’s likely far more to the back story than ordinary folks like us will ever know. But some is known:
In 2000 Ed Rendell was DNC chair. He’s a BFF of the Clintons.
The “off-the-top-of-his-head” stuff wasn’t unlike the stuff Martin writes about Sanders. A disdain for left-wing populism and ordinary working stiffs (which Gore was championing in his awkward way) and anyone that speaks of such matters. Rendell wasn’t supposed to let that slip out for general consumption.
It’s not at all clear to me as to how the DNC chair is appointed. We’re currently told that Obama chose DWS and only he has the power to change that. Yet, who appointed McAuliffe in 2001 and Dean in 2005? Gore and Kerry were stripped of the party leadership right after their general elections. Well, we do know who wanted McAuliffe in that position. What’s interesting to me that after leading Democrats to the 2002 and 2004 disasters, congressional big cheeses wanted McAuliffe to stay on. Howard Dean ran for the position and the “grassroots” were very noisy in supporting him, partially fueled by their disgust with McAuliffe.
I suppose the Democratic elites think that it was just good luck that Democrats had been wins in ’06 and ’08 when Dean was DNC chair and bad luck Democrats has losses in ’02, ’04, ’10, and ’14. (’00 and ’12 were break even elections.) Those successes were only about being better positioned in those two electoral cycles, reduced dictates from the DC Democrats to the candidate to run as business/corporate and MIC friendly, and no heavy thumbs on the scales for the DC preferred Democratic candidates. Odd that after ’08, they’d want to return to the old, losing strategy.
I agree both Kaine and DWS have not been good leaders of the DNC but it must be pointed out that Dean’s 50 state strategy included electing blue dogs to districts where a more left leaning progressive would never win.
You want control of congress? You better be willing to accept blue dogs into your coalition. The 50 state strategy won’t work without them. That is a cold hard truth that Dean understood and that many in the progressive blogosphere refuse to accept.
So you admit Hillary’s enablers haven’t worked to the betterment of ALL democrats, and control of the congress which by extension would work for the betterment of the country.
Think what would have happened if the democratic party had held the house till just 2014, instead of the DNC neo-liberal establishment allowing the drunk Bohner to crap all over Obama’s agenda.
Sort of makes you wonder if the coronation is worth the trade off it took her to get it.
As a resident of Philadelphia for 16 years, let me offer some words of wisdom.
Avoid the anarchists and Black Bloc. You don’t want any part of them.
Expect to be arrested and expect to be treated badly while in custody. During the 2000 RNC, held in Philly, I knew peaceful protestors who were hogtied, thrown down stairs, and left hogtied for 24-48 hours in jail cells. Philadelphia cops are not nice, and they could give less than a shit about your politics.
I am confused as to your thing about how “we the people decide conventions, not super-delegates” when Bernie Sanders himself is pushing the super-delegates to support him, but I’m not part of any movement so I won’t even try to figure out that inconsistency.
Finally, if you guys make Philly into a rerun of Chicago 1968 and Trump gets elected, don’t ever expect me to comment favorably on your posts ever again, unfriend me on Facebook, and forget you ever knew me, because I will hold you partly responsible.
brendan – this is not my event. I am publicizing it for the people who do want to go. The person I have been in contact with is working with a disparate number of groups and he’s done a good job at the organizational part. He got the permits, has been arranged with the city officials about the events, where they can have their medical and water stations, etc.
But the agenda is their own. You may not agree with it, and i do not agree with all of it, but I think it is perfectly proper for people to peacefully gather to show support for their candidate.
As for Chicago – that was Mayor Daley;s doing, not the antiwar protesters who were there peacefully. He was a pro-war Dem and didn’t like having a bunch of unwashed, long haired hippy, druggy rock and roll college kids making him look weak. To blame the antiwar movement for what Daley did in Chicago is a profound misrembering of history. I was 12 years old at the time with two republican parents watching it on TV and I knew what the Chicago police and Daley did was deeply wrong. I wanted Humphrey to win that year despite what happened, but Daley, in his determination to split the Dem party into separate factions so he could claim Dems were about Law and Order too, just like Nixon, was the one who screwed the pooch.
Steven, it is NEVER the authority’s fault if the authority is (D) only if the authority is (R).
You see, (D) stands for double standard or maybe Debbie Wasserman-Shultz.
Whether it is your event or not, you are promoting it. You can do whatever you want, but you can’t pretend that you are not at least partially responsible if it all goes sour.
And while there is no doubt that there was a police riot in Grant Park in 1968, to pretend the protesters were there peacefully is a joke. I was 18 at the time and I can tell you absolutely for sure that many of the “peaceful” protesters were there to provoke a police riot. They would have been very disappointed if everything had stayed peaceful.
This will probably fizzle out, but suppose 20,000 mostly young men do show up. They start out noisy but peaceful. Everybody ignores them and the convention gives Bernie a nod and then properly celebrates its nominee, what happens? Are the people who are putting this together capable of maintaining discipline among the Bernie or Busters and Republicans bent on disrupting the convention? Are they really organized or are they putting together a mob?
You can’t see the possibility that this could turn out really badly? I’ve been caught in a riot following a loss in a big hockey game. All it took was a large crowd of young men, alcohol, an ugly bitterness about a loss and a few clowns. It was out of control very, very quickly.
I remember it well, and there was nothing peaceful in the intentions. Violence and provocation were. That, and humiliating the party, so that we wound up with Nixon.
I will say this: If the BSers turn this convention into even a tenth of what happened in ’68: Trump will win; the “progressives” may start a new party, but will be frozen out of the Democratic Party for ages; and we will have a new Republican Reich from which we may never recover.
Your memory is off:
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/protests-at-democratic-national-convention-in-chicago
More detail:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1968-democratic-convention-931079/?no-ist
Video of the protests using non-violent resistance tactics as the police attacked:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYp1JgwotXU
It doesn’t matter a fucking bit what kind of super ultra mega peaceful mega-liberal tactics are used.
The protesters will be met with violence, and they will be blamed for it.
Yes, and Clinton and the Democrats will be blamed for it.
It only takes 10 anarchists with bricks in their backpacks and everything burns.
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Sorry, I should say ‘so called anarchists’, because a real anarchist is more rare than a real libertarian, and there might be 3 real libertarians in the whole country.
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If you have a permitted event, you are correct you don’t want to be anywhere near anarchists or Black Bloc are operating. The police love to crack down on your demonstration for whatever their action turns out to be. In Chicago in 2012, the agreement of all participants was that there needed to be a separation of tactics in time and space between different types of direct action. For the most part, the more aggressive protesters observed the separation of time and space. The CPD however did not distinguish between demonstration, disruption, and violence.
But the most likely tactic is to create the long-distance image of violence in order to suppress attendance at the permitted demonstrations, which tend to be peaceful and can become very large if they are not suppressed. The 2004 demonstration at the Republican National Convention turned out 500,000 even after a pre-emptive raid and illegal detainment of 2000.
One should assume that the police are agents of the Trump campaign and behave with according caution for provocations.
Chicago 1968 was all CPD pounding on anti-war demonstrators while the media had a narrative of protester violence until journalist started getting roughed up by the CPD.
Always the main purpose of the intimidation is not to let the credentialed delegates to the convention know that there is as much opposition in the streets as therre is.
It is as hardball politics as there is short of civil war.
You obviously have no understanding of what happened in 1968, nor the responsibility the “protesters” bore for it.
Is the default position in the US that the police are to be feared? How would that ever have come about?
By design
Amen!
Stupid DNC, rigging the election for the person who got the most votes while gifting the loser hugely-democratic caucuses to make it look closer than it is!
What a bunch of assholes.
/DEMOCRATIC socialism, damn it!
Yes, Steven, we do. And your guy lost.
The superdelegates didn’t decide that. The voters did. Although I’m starting to think the superdelegates are a blessing given the mentality of folks like you.
You seem to have inside information on California.
So, I assume the fix is in, with the precinct totals ready to be loaded into the computers. Or do you have second sight? I guess you make a fortune at the race track.
She’s up 15 or so points there, last I saw. And similar in Jersey. And is alraedy up by about 280 pledged delegates in a race determined by proportional allocation of pledged deleagtes.
So, yeah, the fix is totes in, Jessup.
Granted, both states have a decent number of black folks, so they undoubtedly don’t count in your eyes.
“both states have a decent number of black folks, so they undoubtedly don’t count in your eyes”
This slanderous presumption — amounting to a direct accusation of racism, based on nothing at all in the content of the comment being replied to — is despicable and entirely out of order.
You ought to retract it in shameful embarrassment.
It’s not a presumption.
You were saying?
And that is one of the more innocuous posts! Some on emigrants are just pure hate.
Haters gotta hate, grifters gotta grift.
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Gee, will Bernie win D.C.?
I think not. Jersey neither.
Bye, bye, Bernie.
All the more reason for the super delagates to stay out if it.
Drew, you seem to be very partisan for H. Clinton. Why?
I’m really quite the opposite. I voted for Bernie. I voted for Obama eight years ago against her. I would’ve voted for O’Malley if he were in Bernie’s shoes.
But here in the blogosphere (granted, and mercifully, a small subset of Democratic voters), it seems to me a significant chunk of Bernie folks are insane.
But surely you noticed that Obama has been even more obedient to Wall Street than Bush II or Clinton I. Didn’t the light bulb go on? Or is it more fun to be on the winning side? Because if you are part of the bottom 90% you won’t be on the winning side.
The Democratic Party no longer represents the working class. Some Sanders supporters will vote for Clinton because it’s more fun to be on the winning side. Some will vote for Jill Stein because she’ll be the last one standing that actually represents the bottom 90%. A few will vote for Trump (probably enough to make the race competitive, but not to win) because they want something to change and no one’s issued them hand grenades. And then a bunch of people who’ve finally learned the lesson and will stay home and sit on their hands, maybe increase their alcohol intake, and find a team to root for.
There will be more wringing of hands regarding LBGTQ folks and the latest outrage engineered by the neo-Nazis in the South. Some more abortion clinic bombings, because, well, what else is there to do in the South? And the reactionaries in the street still believe that (blacks, immigrants, Muslims, gays, Latinos) are responsible for their miseries. That won’t change any time soon.
And we will send more soldiers to fight and die in Libya, Syria and a few new places somewhere in Central Asia because oil and natural gas.
And life will get incrementally worse for most Americans.
Sometimes I just can’t cheer.
No, I didn’t notice that. And this kind of comment is precisely why I think people like you are insane.
The rest of your comment is just the usual babbling of an ideologue who desires to die on the battlefield over issues s/he perceives as black-and-white but are, of course, not.
Have a few beers and try to get a grip.
Some people are so focused on business as usual that they forget that one part of business as usual over the past decade an a half is security theater that has eroded rights granted under the Constitution.
So much so that the snap assumption is that these groups are going to be violent.
What I predict is that regardless of the way these four Sanders groups act, the Philadelphia Police Department, and likely other police and military forces, will show up in riot gear and escalate anything into a situation that looks on TV as if they need to forcefully suppress it. And the organizers of the convention will be more concerned by the putative danger to law and order than they will be about the suppression of Constitutional rights.
It’s well and good to be worried about Trump’s fascism. But our government has been trending that way for forty-nine years (the first post-Great Depression cracking of skulls was at the Pentagon in October of 1967 for white folk.
It is interesting how much some folks want to physically punish Sanders supporters. Setting up another exculpatory story to offset any potential failure while seeking to avoid the necessary change required to win the election. And then blaming the voters instead of the leaders. Meanwhile both parties continue to insist on politicians choosing their voters instead of the voters choosing the politicians. Oh, pardon, that is entirely too idealistic.
Well, this is the most anti-idealistic election in recent history. It is also among the most impractical in its net import on the issues that face the country and the world.
Have I said this year how pessimistic I am. And turning the corner is really not as hard as pretended.
That meme was tried in the Nevada bullshit. They found it works well, so they are using it again. When will they say it’s all part of the Communist Conspiracy?
Lot of establishment Dems in cities and states were perfectly happy to do some security theater on Occupy’s asses, no?
How many pundits smiled?
We housed the head of Sanders’ veteran outreach for the campaign for the week going up to the primary here in Oregon. He didn’t say specifically, but it sounded like something big was going to happen in Philly.
The last convention I missed was ’92. There are always worth going to.
I will be there.
People underestimate the importance of the size of the Bernie delegation inside the hall the night of the acceptance speech. If Hillary doesn’t give bernie something, those delegates are going to sit on their hands and the optics will be terrible.
By far and away its his most serious leverage,
I have lived in Philly through the RNC, through the Iraq War protests, through the health care debates, through Occupy and god knows how many other protests. Philly is nothing if not protest central.
But don’t be naive. It’s a tough city. The cops will beat you up and not necessarily because they have to. The DA is a dickhead and will totally pursue charges he knows he’ll lose. The city will be doing whatever it can to keep things in control: this is the city that acquiesced when the Feds demanded they shut down I-95 and I-96 and create a military occupation zone from the Delaware Rive well into West Philly during the Pope’s visit in 2015.
do ya thing, but be mindful is all.
Really?
“Solidarity comrades! Until our faction doesn’t get our way and we send the Mensheviks/SDP/Democrats to the wall and Heighten the Contradictions! Long live the Revolution!!!” “(after some temporary dominance by the Fascists)”
1848-1968, a hundred and twenty years of fail for Revolution over Progress. Seems like some people want to go right back to that well.
You have a curiously blank interpretation of history. If you can separate progress (however you define it) from the social and political revolutions and the opposite, you are the most gifted historian the world has ever seen. No one can say what the world be like today without the revolutions, better or worse, and no one can say the revolutions might not have made fundamentally positive contributions which we enjoy today. Was the concentration of wealth we have witnessed in recent decades progress or a revolutionary reversion to the classic situation which results inn revolutions: restoration, it’s called, revisionism, retro values and beliefs, ruling class society?
understanding of factionalism in self-proclaimed revolutionary regimes.
Name a SELF-CONSCIOUSLY proclaimed ‘revolution’ that didn’t end up with the ‘Vanguard Revolutionaries’ installing themselves as the new elite.
Orwell nailed this in 1945 with the publication of Animal Farm. I first read in around 1968, which I see as a self-consciously revolutionary year, and nothing I have seen in the 50 years since has disabused me of my faith in it. Note that in 1968 almost all the new post-colonial states of Africa were politically new and many had dreams they would largely transition to democratic regimes. Especially the self-designated revolutionary regimes. Yet how many of those now feature Presidents for Life? And in some cases the same ‘Freedom Fighters’ that took power from the Colonial occupiers to begin with?
(and ‘revolutionary reversion to the classic situation’ is pretty close to an oxymoron. Not improved by ‘restoration’ ‘revisionism’ or ‘retro’)
There is an interesting Second Revolution theory out there. We had one, ourselves, according to some.(http://www.ushistory.org/us/20.asp)
The Reagan Revolution needs to be uprooted branch and stem. Handing government over to the market has been an unmitigated disaster for non-elites.
PEV has convinced a lot of the African public that elections should be few and far apart. It might have something to do with all the weapons that developed nations have subsidized to be sold to them. Though pangas are more shocking.
Now THIS could be an interesting discission…
Does availability of devastating hand weapons increase or decrease the likelihood of a successful revolution?
Your side comment…the Reagon ‘revolution’. It’s over, done. It lasted twenty years. What you see these days is like a fish pulled on the boat, it flops around hard for awhile and then slowly gives up.
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You’re taking Sanders’ “political revolution” jargon way too seriously.
Do you seriously think Sanders would turn into some sort of autocrat if elected president?
And where is the party of which there is supposed to be a vanguard of hard-core revolutionaries? There isn’t, of course, just a lot of mostly young enthusiasts who actively disdain party politics.
Sanders is talking about European style social democracy. I would have thought that was glaringly obvious.
So please stop the stuff about revolutions gone sour.
Some followers of Bernie are NOT using “revolution” in a figurative way. As is almost always true of any movement drawing from the left, one person’s chance to protest and try to effect democratic change is another’s call to “Heighten the Contradictions” and yet another’s chance to purse the War on Plate Glass Windows.
To the degree that there is a faction of Berniacs who are calling for revolution then I am not down with that. If you want to protest the entire struture of the Democratic Party then go vote for Dr. Jill Stein. But demanding changes or threatening to go home is simply to call for replacement by the faction in question by whatever means necessary.
It has little to do with Bernie himself except to the degree he lets it continue to define his movement in the eyes of others.
Nice variation on the some people the right has used to create straw-man arguments with no actual proof …….
I hear even trump uses the same technique ….
mostly when I hear him speak BTW
Are you trying to deny that among all the millions of Feel the Berners there are not some Trotskyites and Blac Blocers?
Maybe you should show up at the tail end of ANY left protest march or stay to the end of ANY demonstration and sample the people who end up breaking the plate glass, setting the news boxes on fire and deliberately provoking the cops.
Look you can sympathize with this particular strand of revolutionary direct action or condemn it but anyone who denies that self-proclaimed anarchists and revolutionaries don’t use any and all demos and marches as an opportunity needs to get out more.
Left Action will draw out Direct Action. Always, everywhere and every time. The big question is how organizers handle that. And often as in NM is to withdraw the regulars Left Actionists and let the Direct Action/Anarchist/Blac Bloc folk fight it out with the cops.
ARE YOU NEW?
No, because the proof that they are is on you making the original statement, not a opaque some people statement.
Why would I want to, it has nothing to do with the comment I posted.
I did neither here, just pointed out the way you used a nominal straw-man style of argument to try to tie two or more groups together with no actual proof that they are, hence you arguments in rhetoric but not any actual proof presented.
More faux noise style rhetoric, no proofs offered.
No, my User ID #: 3903
Yours; 337599
Don’t actually know what it has to do with anything, but you asked.
Booman Trib’s UIDs are not the Alpha and Omega of political discourse. I have a three digit UID at DK. Nobody cares much about that either.
March on DNC?
Really?
Seriously?
You can’t march to push forward the Garland nomination, but March on the DNC?
really?
uh huh.
Oh please. You know what they say: democracy is messy.
And the line about not marching to support the Garland nomination is silly and a rhetorical trick. There are all sorts of hypothetical marches that have not happened. How about a march to stop tooth decay? Nobody has advocated that, either, so I guess they must secretly be in favor of tooth decay.
Sad days for the frog pond when “Bernie or Bust” is promoted on the front page.
Have fun marching with all of the other people who think their votes should count for more than those of the people who outvoted them.
Residents of the City of Brotherly Love – who favored Clinton over Sanders by 25 points – will definitely greet you as liberators. You can almost hear them now: “Thank God for all these white people with free time on their hands who have come to correct our mistakes.”