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Self-serve food and drinks.
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Lewd, rude, and crude — that’s how we grow ’em around here.
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May the 4’s be with you
Talking Turkey in the Late Night Lounge
OK all you turkeys, gobble away.
Gee you are fast, I started one and then boom yours was up, so here is the pic I was going to use.
If you want I can delete this one and you can put yours up. I LIKE that picture.
Oh no, this is perfectly fine.
I have been thinking of writing diaries all day, about 5 different things, but didn’t feel like taking the energy to type. Maybe I will tomorrow.
OK.
It’s funny how ideas come in groups. But sometimes the more ideas I have, the harder it is to get started. I find that at work.
I agree. I’ve found that often have to prune back the diary to stay on point. I keep the pieces in a file, and go back periodically and see if they’ve grown.
Mary, I didn’t have my glasses on and missed the word “IF” in your answer. I am an idiot. Of course, you got it. Good, I feel a better now. Thanks for the feed back.
I wondered what there was about it you didn’t think I got — although like you I guess I was being indirect by just saying purist and no compromise.
I have to say that when I read it right after you put it up it occurred to me that you probably picked the wrong theme/topic to use as an example. At least, the wrong topic with the BT crowd.
They get really weird about religion here and I learned long ago that if you so much as mention religion here they miss the entire point of anything you say and focus all their attention on telling you how BAD religion is.
Boy you got that one right.
Which diary are you referring to btw.
Here it is.
That’s the reason I choose religion. Many BTers leap all over religion and then replicate the behavior they decry in religion in their politics. I should have written a stronger conclusion. Something like ,”Oh wait, I’m glad I caught this before I posted it. I was politics, not religion that caused all these problems. My family’s had nothing to with Religion since GGGGGGG Uncle Lawrence was burned by the Inquisition for advocating atheism. No, it’s always been politics for us. Sorry. My mistake. Just go back and think “politics” wherever you thought “religion.” I must be more careful.
How true. And I can see where it was tempting to try to make that point. But even if you just wrote a diary with that one sentence I’m willing to bet that the entire thread would have devolved into a discussion about how BAD religion is. They would have felt compelled to explain (yet again) why they decry certain behaviour in religion and then others would have joined in with their own stories and it would have had a revival-like quality to it 🙂
Many people at BT have had horrible things happen to them in their past, some of which was connected to religion. So a part of me understands their feelings. But I have to admit that sometimes I just want to take them by the shoulders, look them in the eye and tell them to stop having a victim mentality about the whole thing. (I wrote and deleted that last sentence three times — but its true so I decided to leave it).
I know what you mean, especially the part about deleting. But it’s pretty quiet now, and the lounge draws a different crowd generally. Anyway, you can handle them.
LOL! You’ve obviously never seen the mob mentality that takes over this crowd from time to time.
The funny thing is that I’m not religious. I’m spiritual. And I’m interested in people’s religious beliefs. And I was raised with a strong background in a religion. But I look at organized religion in a disinterested way. So in some ways it’s been funny to hear some of the names I’ve been called — all in the name of freedom from religion. But I stopped having any discussions here about religion — and until tonight any discussions that even mention religion.
Your theme was interesting — I truly don’t understand the necessity that some people feel to fight to the death over an idea like progressive vs. liberal vs. moderate. It seems so … Republican to fight to the death over ideology 🙂
I have seen it at least twice. Check out my id #. I lurked for a long time before Kidspeak could convince me to write. I’m glad she did, because I had gotten away from writing and forgotten how much I enjoy it.
I find it disheartening that people can not realize that people of good will can differ and still be good people. And people who agree with you may be sleezeballs.
Speaking of which, I have google-bombed you Guv.
Thanks.
I understand completely and agree. I find it more disheartening than any other thing that happens on blogs and usually when things get too … out of sync? … I end up having to take a break for a while.
I agree with both of you, especially the part about who is what, progressive, liberal and so on, and the deep delving into motives and thinking they know the thoughts of the person in question.
I meant to ask, what was happening at Orange? You mentioned a while back. I haven’t been there in a few days. The Schumer love fest got to me.
Big Tent Democrat had a coming out party.
And I was over there a lot tonight because there was a nice diary with good discussion about Missouri state politics.
This is such a weird thread, with the food in one part and the “serious” part up here. I had to laugh at your last sentence about the deleting part. I know just what you mean, in fact I do that for more things that just religion..choose my words carefully.
But as to religion, I seem to have been lucky to have escaped that particular “mess” and was pretty much left to my own devices after the age of 8 as to religion. Even tho I came from Pa. in a deeply religious atmosphere at the time in the 40’s, but my Dad was a rebell(sp) that said, they (sister and I)didn’t have to go to church if they don’t want to and can choose their own religion.
I never did choose one.
I love when these split discussions happen — although sometimes I lose track of where I am. So I’ll remember not to post a brownie recipe here 🙂
I didn’t know you grew up in Pennsylvania. Somehow I think of you perpetually in a warm climate.
Yeah, Pa, and there’s another diary I can now cross off my list. I have such fond memories of there I cannot tell you. Although my life was not always pleasant, I loved the place if not so much the people. I love forests and woods, and old houses and ‘memories of snow’, glorious memories of those days.
I came from a small town in Southwestern Pa., Salisbury, German immigrants, settled the town, so we came from the history of the Reformationa and all that entailed. I’ve written some diaries on VB about ancestors, did a big genealogical project and went back to 1260 or so.
My early ancestors had some interesting encounters with Indians, one especially in which while being attacked the father refused to allow his sons to defend themselves, because of his religion and women were killed expcept for one daughter who was scalped and lived. Sons and father were taken as captives for several years and then released.
Seems the town they settled was hunting ground for Ohio tribes and they did not take kindly to intruders taking over.
It’s somewhat unusual for the women to be killed and the men taken as prisoners. Some of my ancestors were French who came over in the early 1600’s and I’ve read a lot about the Iroquois/Algonquian wars. Usually women and children were adopted into the victorious tribe but the men (warriors) were tortured to death.
Are you descended from the surviving girl or one of the boys?
Well this may sound weird but from both son and daughter, one decended 7 generations later into my fathers family and the other into my mothers family…so they were 7th cousins. If you think about it, as I have, lol, it seems, that x number of german families came to Pa, they settled in clumps and intermarried, it’s bound to happen that generations hence it should be so…Another interesting fact I learned was that One ancestor is estimated to have 1/2 million descendants, by the name of Hochstettler, later Hostettler and then Statler and Stotler and so on. Doing all this research and finding things like that make me feel so strongly how related we all are…That story is repeated a million times with all of us, it just has to logistically. I figured out one time that something close to 2, million people had to be alive in 1200 and survive to reproduce to end up with me. So it is true of all of us. We are all related.
I have very similar things in my family, though mostly we weren’t German – really a mix. One line definitely is from the same area you are talking about, however: Rohrer’s and Hubers (who became Hoover’s) and Volbrechts (Fullbright’s).
No, it makes sense. We’re probably related 🙂
My german ancestors came from Pennsylvania. They started in Germantown and then moved into Bucks county — Bedminster. There are still families there with the name — I’m sure we’re related. In the late 1800’s the family had 6 or 7 sons that all went into the family business — but one son decided to strike out west. I don’t know why — if he was adventurous or simply a black sheep. He ended up in St. Louis in the late 1800’s and I’m descended from him.
Yep, Germantown, that’s the place. Got off the boat in Philadelphia, of course, took the loyalty oath (wouldn’t that be a kick if citizenship were that fast today!). Some went down to Hagerstown area of Maryland, others parts west.
My maternal grandmother’s family was from the Williamsport area, NE of Salisbury. It’s odd that that German settlers named their town “Salisbury,” such an English name.
I think it actually came from Saltzburg, but was Americanized, but wait I just remembered in was a natural salt lick the town was built on and Saltz may be the German for that. That’s why the indians came there every year, for the salt and abundant game.
Yes, Salzburg (original), in Austria, is where the salt mines are. “Salttown”, in other words.
That makes sense. It would be interesting to know when the name changed.
By the way, Kidspeak just pointed out that a bunch of guys are on the Turkey Open thread and it’s women (me excluded) who are here. This seems to happen often. FM, Boran2, MannE, and a few others, of course, but the Open Threads seem go mostly male.
Omir is over there and he’ll end up here eventually.
But I’ve noticed that phenomenon too. And some men who used to come to the cafe on a regular basis seldom show up now.
You’re just more secure than the rest of those guys 🙂
I’ve always enjoyed talking and women tend to be better at it than guys. I think I will peek and see if they’re handicapping the football games or swearing or talking about about babes. I won’t be long.
So many place names have been bastardized by being translated into multiple languages. Places that started with an Indian name were translated into French, then (in St. Louis) were translated by Germans into English. So you have a river in Missouri called the cortois that’s pronounced codaway.
Vienna = “Vi -N – Nuh”
New Madrid= New “Ma – Drid”
Cairo= “Ka – Ro”
Kidspeak, help me out her. You’re part “Show-Me.”
Haiti = “Hay – Tie”
You’re right this is an odd discussion to have in the lounge. I found out some things at school the last few days and I’m trying to decide if they are appropriate for this blog and, if so, how would I shape the diary. It’s put me in a ruminative mood. It lead me to think about the other diary and how the discussion mostly missed the point. The comments were fine. Their discussion was fine. But they were like really nice brown shoes with a tuxedo. No matter how nice they are, they don’t fit. Either the tuxedo has to go or the shoes. I can see a similar reaction to the new diary.
Well what you could do is post it on Village Blue, as a try out.
Diary subjects are tricky, no doubt about that. That’s why I stick to things a little to the side or not at all about politics or <<<<religion>>>> safe topics you might say….but on Village Blue it’s another story, I can say whatever I want, but then mostly I don’t bother as it seems so pointless sometimes to write anything. You know, like who cares what I have to say…but I nevertheless write hundreds of them in my head. If only we had direct from mind to computer, then I would be so churning them out. Gee I had to change that sentence cause I couldn’t spell a word. I hate that.
I like the late night cafe cause some interesting things get said here when not many are around.
So, I’ve been making tamales and yesterday I decided to make some chicken one. I bought masa at the store and when I got it home I noticed it was for tortillas, then I walked to another store and bought an unmarked bag of masa. The clerk informed me it was unprepared tamale masa, and I smirked at the unprepared part, like of course it’s not cooked….
So I made about a dozen tamales with the masa, and they were terrible, dough was all gluey, which sent me to google where I learned what unprepared masa was. You may have guess already that it meant something needed to be added, well actually several things, which I then did with the remaining dough and they turned out great.
So there is one diary down, that I don’t need to write…lol.
Ha! Speed diarying!
Where is Manny when we need him? He’s the tamale expert and probably could have walked you through the process.
I hope he’s feeling better, I’ve missed him the last few days.
I think he was going to his parents this weekend and they are making tamales. You know I was even thinking of calling him, but then I thought he will probably say, I don’t know my Mom makes the dough,…But luckily I figured it out. I still don’t know the difference between the doughs.
When he gets back we’ll ask him and tell him to ask his mom if he doesn’t know.
I think you’re brave to attempt them and to stick with it in the face of catastrophe. I don’t know if I would have. I’m not a very good cook and when things don’t go the way they are suposed to I’m easily disheartened.
Oh I will keep on with something till I get it right….
I am a fanatic when it comes to that. I do a lot of experimental (creating new recipes) cooking, and just keep plugging away till I get a good result or a better result, until I am sick to death of the food.
I shouldn’t get started on this line, cause I could go on for hours.lol.
“prepared” masa is like buying Bisquick to make a pie crust. You can do it, but you wouldn’t want to eat the stuff.
Oh, this is making me so hungry for good Mexican food in Austin. There are a couple of places where you can watch the tortillas being made, and placed on the great iron stove. The round tops bubble up on the flat tortillas, and they are SO good, topped with almost anything.
I am SO HUNGRY now.
I have been thinking about attempting my own toritllas, especially interested in flour ones.
To get into another food, I have been making a series of blond brownies for about the last two months, thying all kinds of variations, first I tried to get calories down, that was pretty bad, then I flew caution to the wind and just went for taste and bedamned to the calories. I don’t eat them all, mostly I throw them away unless they are really good.
Maybe that’s why I haven’t been blogging much, too busy making food I don’t eat.
I could get into trying different brownie recipes. I’m just afraid I’d eat too many of them and not take them into the office like I should.
Have you tried to make the lowfat brownies where you use prune puree instead of shortening?
Yes, really high in sugar content – though fructose. and they tasted more than a bit like prunes. (I like prunes, but not with chocolate. The batch ended up in the garbage.)
then I won’t try it. I like prunes too, but not when I’m expecting brownie flavor.
No, I never have tried prune puree, this is kinda funny, the religious thread and this, this will be our little secret, because no one will read this tomorrow, right.
So how does everyone feel about the whole Thankgiving thing, what with the history and all, I watched a hist. channel docu drama the other day, pretty accurate on the real story, bad parts not left out or glossed over.
MIght as well make this diary really controversial now that no one is around but us few folks.
I am a spiritualist too, Mary, good name for it. Usually I say I believe in “All That Is.”, but most don’t understand that. Spiritualist is better.
Try pureeing dates, not prunes. Trust me, it’s a very good way to replace most of the fat and still get the right moist texture. And dates are yummy.
I can’t get corn husks in Australia, and tamales just don’t taste right without them. Sigh.
Gee I wonder if you can order them online, or I could mail you some. They even sell them in the dollar store here, tho I couldn’t find them there today.
Watching cooking shows, I see a lot of different kinds of tamales, made with dough other than masa. Bobby Flay makes some interesting ones.
Diana Kennedy, whose recipes have never failed me, says you can use banana leaves, too. Perhaps those are easier to come by?
Sure you can use bananna, I can’t spell tonight btw, so please excuse.
Actually I think you could prob. use plastic wrap, but I agree with whoever said they like the flavor of corn. It does lend something.
Speaking of corn, we ‘were’ right?, I once made corn cob jelly..it was really quite nice, very mild and sweet.
I’ve never hear of corn cob jelly. I like green pepper jelly. Over cream cheese, spread on crackers. We used to always have it during the holidays because people would give us gifts of homemade pepper jelly.
One more thing about tamale coverings: some of the best I’ve eaten were cooked in San Antonio by an older gentleman I knew, who made his simply using 2-3 layers of thin cheese cloth as wrappers. He explained that the masa is essentially the corn that’s needed for flavoring, the covering is for rolling up the tamale, and letting the steam through. The cheese cloth did that particularlly well. They were extremelly tender, I remember the flavor though it has been decades.
OK — this is WAY too confusing so I’m moving down here and we can all be controversial in one place.
Thanksgiving. I’ve never thought of Thanksgiving as a recreation of the “original” so I have no problems celebrating it. I think it’s new each year – a day to be thankful for our family and friends and share — food, stories, good times. Each year is different, with different joys and sadnesses to think about.
I am interested in people knowing truthful history though so I think that the history of the North American continent should provide the whole story — the good and bad.
I agree. We always laughed at the silly stuff we had to do in school for art projects. Our somewhat subversive grandpa would tell us not to believe a word.
We mostly helped the grown-ups cook the old recipes. And if the weather was good, we’d go for a walk out in the field where the Indian mounds were, and pick up the things that we found, if anything. I still do that when we drive down I-55, even though the family doesn’t live there anymore. The owner plowed the small mounds down, and scattered the stuff, so I don’t feel guiltly picking it up and adding to the family collection.
Boy you just gave me a good laugh, we all three posted within seconds, I am still chuckling.
I have been wondering lately how much of the good there is. Our history…there is so much that I am ashamed of, sooooo much, horrible, horrible deeds done by our forebears, not much to be proud of…
I think we just came to a breaking point, maybe world wide, where we just cannot tolerate this stuff anymore, the wars, the killings, the everything.
Getting away from that line, yes I am thankful, that I/we are still alive, that the Dems got back into power and that there is still hope, because we will accept nothing less.
The one thing I’ve learned as I’ve been doing genealogy is that our history is not straightforward, it’s messy. People who were enemies at one point can end up having common descendents. And there is no such thing, really, as “our” history. Because what’s usually taught is British American history. So although I had ancestors living in one of the original 13 colonies during the revolution – they were German. Their experience was certainly different than the experience of the Bostonians or the Carolinians — who were fighting in some ways a civil war.
Yes, and just remembered another thing about my history, my ancestors refused to fight in the Revolutionary War on ground they had sworn an oath to King George, when they came here, had to in order to come into country, and they would not go back on their oath.
About 5 years ago my sister and I took our dad to Pennsylvania so he could do some research and look at tombstones. We found the church in Bucks county where our ancestors had been the founding families and the pastor happened to be there. He told us that a lot of the revolutionary german families wouldn’t fight in the war. They saw it as a civil war and wouldn’t take sides. Plus many of them were pacifists.
And the “British” Monarchs were Germans from Hanover! We Scots fought the British, because, well, we’d fight anybody without much reason.
I guess I should respond to this in the next lounge ….
Hey I am taking this above discussion down here so I can get it all straight…it’s getting confusing up there.
Now what’s this about the lounge and open thread…
We were saying that the open threads tended more to the masculine customer and the cafe/lounges tended more toward the feminine customer. With some overlap of course.
There needs to be program that allows conversations to be displayed as linked sets, link an idea web, instead of threads, instead of linear. Think how it works in a real lounge. You move from conversation to conversation simply by turning your head often. It’s usually not a problem to keep up. But the thread system gets muddled after a few minutes.
You know about the lounge, it seems a little scary to walk in at times, like there a group that hangs out and you’re the newcomer walking in alone.. you know, like in a real bar. Makes you feel like you don’t know the drill and all previous history folks have. I say this as the person who started the cafe, which is kinda strange. But for me it’s like the bar thing you used to hang out at, and then stay away for a time and when you go back it’s all different and you barely know anyone.
I agree we need some women on the front page, but I have to say that every time I wonder into the cafe, it is always warm and welcoming. Must be the women!
I think it CAN be intimidating. Last spring when I used to have time to do the Saturday cafes I used to try to think of things that would lure people in — but it always seemed to be mostly the same people.
I thought about this during the summer when there was a big influx of newcomers. I didn’t come during the pie wars, but it seems that those refugees were … refugees. They wanted to stick together; they wanted to form a community. So they maybe were willing to hang out a bit. They were maybe a little bit invested in making it a nice community.
The people that started coming over this summer after the big Orange purges weren’t interested in social activities. They were just angry that they had been banned and wanted to complain. I remember one of them telling me that in an open thread — that he had no intention of trading puppy pictures. Of course, most of them are either gone now or seldom here any more.
Well since it’s just us, here talking and this diary will soon be dust, I’ll say what I think.
Well I started to write it and then I thought what the heck, do I want to go back to what has happened, actually no, it makes it feel like politics to me…lol.
Well we made them part of the community, with a lot of work that seems like no one is up to any more. I spent most of my time greeting people and trying to soothe the savage beast in myself and others.
But the lounge is a toughy to figure out and really it couldn’t handle much more, cause things get so out of sync like this one and it’s hard to follow…maybe there needs to be a new group meeting place, like oh I dont know will have to think on that.
I know. You and Shirl put a LOT of work into it. And that made others put in effort to. I remember that I had been lurking and you made me feel that it would be rude not to introduce myself. So I got myself a number and introduced myself. I’d been a user at Orange since the beginning and seldom commented — I certainly didn’t think I’d be having whole conversations here and going to meetups. But that’s what happened 🙂
I may have joined before the pie wars, but it was your work to made me comfortable and that that kept me here. I love the cafes and I only contribute irregularly, but I am always welcomed and feel at home. So there! :>)
I know the first time I came to the cafe I felt totally invisible. I did’t come back for a long time; I felt tongue tied – or finger-tied(?) 🙂
Hehehe…you should have been there for Kama’s story time…we would have coaxed a story from you! :>)
I lurked for a very VERY long time, utterly silent. Low number and all, but not speaking. I could have used a little coaxing!
I remember that you used to go through all the diaries methodically late at night posting really thoughtful comments in each one. I would see you doing it on recent comments. You would say hello in the cafe and then go off to tour the diaries. I remember thinking that you probably didn’t want to spend too much time in the cafe. I guess I was wrong! … 🙂
Kidspeak is shy.
You wouldn’t know it but I am too. I honestly don’t know how I got sucked into cafe society. So I can relate completely to the feeling. It’s why I’ve never posted a single comment at My Left Wing. I’m registered. I read it. I’ve never commented.
I think I said something one time there. I can’t see being there, really, at all.
But I’ve surprised myself: going to meetups telephoning, going door-to-door, meeting perfect strangers. Life is odd, how it turns.
I wasn’t sleeping well for a while, major stress at work. . . it helped the time pass in the wee hours.
Well, dang, you were a lurker! Okay, there’s no time like the present. Tell us a story. Tell us about your first kiss, or the day you met Teach, or a weird experience or whatever. I got a rep for telling naughty stories, but I think any story is a good story.
I’ll start…one from the Holidays.
Ooops…I just saw a new diary has opened, so I will go post there.
Howdy all. I am amazed…11:00 p.m. PST and people are still talking! It must be a first. :>)
It’s not a work/school night.
True, but it is a cooking night! :>)
I just found out that my plans for dinner at a friends house are history. Now the question is, can I make a Turkey day dinner for my kid, or should we find an open restaurant? Sigh…if I knew I would be cooking, I would have planned it weeks ago.
I have to report this off task thing(partially). Teach just went looking for where he put his cans of tomato soup. He stored it with the cat food!
Ok, not so funny.
We should be cooking, too, but we didn’t plan well. We are alone tomorrow, didn’t plan it that way, but there it is.
Hi K, how r you doing, we have been having a heck of a discussion or actually several it seems all ofthem quite interesting, which would make great diaries if we had the never, but no, we sit back here in a corner pretending no one can hear us….lol, I am getting a kick out of this conversation tonight, reminds me of the great influx after the pie wars.
LOL. I’ll admit that I haven’t read the gazillion previous messages, but I can make shit up. :>)
Howdy! It’s a holiday, we’re partying. 🙂
WooHoo. I am so happey to have four days off of work! I plan on sleep, sleep and some more sleep. :>)
So, K, what’s up with you tonight?
I just finished searching and printing some last minute turkey and green bean recipies in the event that I actually have to cook tomorrow. I’m just praying that our local restaurant will be open and serving dinner. :>)
This is a thread where we ask the questions right after they have been answered.
That was so funny, I am shaking here with laughing, my heart rate goes up when I blog, so if I suddenly stopwriting, call 911. lol, just kidding…
Hey, I can always come up with a different answer, like I’m just blogging so I don’t have to think about what the hell I am going to do about tomorrow! I’d rather shoot the shit than stress on the holidays anyday! ;>)
Our plans for dinner went haywire when Kidspeak finished off the hotdogs earlier tonight.
LOL! So Turkey Dogs will count as Thanksgiving dinner? Cool!
Sure ‘nuf! But don’t try to stuff them, it’s not pretty.
I have an idea, why don’t we have three different diaries, ok manee must have left the hooka out. Seriously we need another one soon….see what happens when shirl is out of order and I have no one to talk to.
You can open the next one. 🙂
Ok here goes, but don’t miss my last comment, took me a lot of typing.
I’ve gotta move and get up. Been glued to this chair grading papers too long today, and the chair finally fell apart! OK, DEFINITELY time for the post-holiday diet!