Steve Clemons of The Washington Note uses his government sources tonite to weave together the details revealed in the latest NYT article (via Truthout) about what Cheney knew and when he knew it.
Clemons warns that it is speculation, but it ties together angles and players in a way that we’ve all suspected.
This is where things get interesting. Although Fitzgerald may not need to establish this connection, it seems increasingly plausible to TWN that Tenet and Cheney had some kind of exchange regarding Joe and Valerie Wilson. Cheney then passed off the information to Libby along with a few expletives about Wilson, implying that the @#$%@%er should be done in.
The question is how did Libby then churn up more info on Wilson without other parts of the “untrusted” bureaucracy spitting in his face or reporting his sins?
My hunch is that he went to trusted spear-carriers for Vice President Cheney — the office and staff of Under Secretary of State John Bolton. Fred Fleitz, Bolton’s chief of staff, maintained his CIA WINPAC portfolio and access as an active duty CIA staff member while he operated as Bolton’s “acting” chief of staff. We know that Fleitz was a key part of the intelligence cherry-picking/stove-piping operation when it came to both the intel and policy response to various global WMD concerns — in North Korea, Libya, Iran, and Iraq.
We also know that David Wurmser and John Hannah, who have both apparently cooperated after threats of legal action (i.e., time behind bars) with Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald worked both for John Bolton’s operation and the Vice President’s office.
I recently consulted with a number of senior State Department officials about the level of interaction between Vice President Cheney’s office and John Bolton’s office — and was informed that there was “intense” exchange between them, constant. One said that “Bolton and his team were operatives of Vice President Cheney inside the State Department establishment — there to subvert Armitage and Powell wherever they could, and if not subvert, then there to spy on the them and report back.
TWN knows nothing more than what it speculates to be a plausible scenario. Tonight, I consulted with three senior State Department officials, one currently at the State Department and two who are now outside the Department. All three of them agreed that the scenario I have described about Fleitz being the source of information about Plame’s covert WINPAC role — and this information then passing from Fleitz and/or Bolton to Scooter Libby “is not unbelievable.”
Read Clemons’ entire account at his site…
Just a reminder: you can find prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald’s official investigation web site here. When the indictments come down, that’s where they’ll be posted. I hope they have good servers there at the DOJ.
I originally posted this as a comment in Larry Johnson’s diary but thought more people might be interested in seeing it.
(and Susan made me do it…)
🙂
This is probably exactly how it happened: Cheney came back from the meeting and said to Libby, after the expletives, the equivalent of “Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?” And Libby around the water cooler told the next level of underlings “You should have seen Dick blow his top this morning. Seems that (blah blah blah) …and he closed with ‘Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?’!”
This is how orders get given with “plausible deniability.”
I’m not holding my breath waiting for Cheney to climb the steps of the National Cathedral on his knees seeking atonement, however. History only repeats itself so far.
how do we tie this into the energy task force and nail his ass for the whole lot of crimes??
A column just out by Kristof in New York times, who has access and can you report on it.
Title:
Hurricane Fitzgerald Approaches the White House
AKA, “Mr. Bullshit Apologist” – read it and cringe…
Thanks Lisa, “whisper campaign” where the heck does he get that it was a whisper campaign…..more like a bullhorn campaign…
No prob, let me know if you want the whole thing…
Absent very clear evidence of law-breaking, the White House ideologues should be ousted by voters, not by prosecutors.
Get a clue, Kristof! A crime is a crime. If it was good enough to impeach Clinton, it’s good enough to filter the worst pund scum (and they are much, much, much more worse than Clinton could ever hope to be) out of this administration.
The ultimate irony would come if we ended up strengthening the Bush administration’s ability to operate in secret.
Okay. That’s it. We surrender.
You wish!!
HAH! Clinton’s impeachment changed everything.
I don’t know what to say. It’s bad.
Bleh. Shades of Kay Bailey “not some perjury technicality” Hutchinson.
Guess we were trying to figure out which part of this crap to post at the same time, Other Lisa. Wish I’d seen yours before I hit “post.” I hate to give him more space.
What a load of crap, eh, Janet?
I never liked Kristoff much; he sort of specializes in China and I never thought his insights were all that insightful.
But this is just bullshit. If he can’t see the difference between this and what happened to Clinton, then he’s an even bigger idiot than I thought. Or he’s in someone’s pocket.
Oh geez…where to start?
. . . In the 1990’s, we saw the harm that special prosecutors can do: they become obsessive, pouncing on the picayune, distracting from governing and frustrating justice more than serving it.
. . . We don’t know what evidence has been uncovered by Patrick Fitzgerald, but we should be uneasy that he is said to be mulling indictments that aren’t based on his prime mandate, investigation of possible breaches of the 1982 law prohibiting officials from revealing the names of spies.
Uneasy? Because he’s doing his job? You’re right about one thing, Kristof: you don’t know what evidence he has.
Fitz has been protected to this point by a promise he got that no one would interfere with his investigation. Now that the conclusion is nearing, all of the right-wing knives are out to stab this man who even Bush praised today.
I’m offended by the idea of a government official secretly using the news media – under the guise of a “former Hill staffer” – to attack former Ambassador Joseph Wilson. That’s sleazy and outrageous. But a crime?. . .
Who the f*ck said it was a crime?
To me, the whisper campaign against Mr. Wilson amounts to back-stabbing politics, but not to obvious criminality. . . .
I won’t even dignify that absurdity with a response.
So I find myself repulsed by the glee that some Democrats show at the possibility of Karl Rove and Mr. Libby being dragged off in handcuffs.
No Fitzmas party invitation for you!
Catnip, great work, thanks and here’s an article by jeff cohen that i think you’ll appreciate:
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1024-20.htm
From your link:
“I wasn’t interested in that punk. I wanted that type of thing stopped, ya know.”
They played a clip of Nixon’s interview on TV Sunday.
http://www.buzzflash.com/bradenton/05/10/bra05062.html
Excellent ‘toon, bush hears from god again…. Giggles for all, EtJ
who keeps posting jibberish…Can BOOMAN OR SUSANBOBU Just Ban the ASSHOLE. Please. I am afraid I am going to get a computer virus from the freak..Everytime i come to a dairy and he/she has posted my computer freaks out..He/She is somewhere in the bowels of Troll hell in Booman Trib..btw/ Great Diary ..If Cheney Knew..Condi and Bolton knew too. Bring all the fucker down.
You mean the Chinese spam? It’s spam, probably auto-generated.
You know, the thought occurred to me that since the internet is so heavily censored in China, these postings may be communications among the underground there – after all, the government there might allow a site like BMT through the “iron firewall” to make Bush look bad, and someone like Falun Gong might take advantage of that.
Or it might be an ad for powdered bear gall bladder or some other natural product to enhance male performance.
Do we have anyone who can read Chinese in the audience?
and said, “Wilson’s wife is fair game.” was that a direct quote from Cheney?
hmmmm…
Now that we know Cheney was involved in outing a CIA agent for political revenge, when will his resignation take place?
CNN post
Cheney: conspiracy
Libby: conspiracy, perjury
Rove: conspiracy, perjury
Miller: perjury
Cheney about Plame without simultaneously stating that she was covert? I find that unresearched bit of the NYT article really annoying.
That seems enormously irresponsible of Tenet if that is the case, and I don’t believe it.
Anyone care to speculate on what they think really happened?
The NYT uses this as a springboard for their right wing mantra ‘it is not a crime if they didn’t know she was undercover’ — if it was their job to know she was undercover then it was a crime! It seems unbelievable that that would not have been on the table from the start if Tenet told Cheney.
If the spammer hits again, please e-mail me. The problem with that spam is that it locks up some people’s computers, so it doesn’t work to just troll rate his comment … i need to know so I can erase it. THANKS!