Back in March 2013, when rumors first emerged that the newly reelected President Obama might nominate Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights Thomas Perez to be his second term Secretary of Labor, he wasn’t a household name. But a lot of labor leaders knew who he was and they energetically endorsed him. The main reason for this was that he had served under Governor Martin O’Malley of Maryland as the head of that state’s Department of Labor, Licensing, and Regulation.
As Adam Serwer reported for Mother Jones at the time, Perez had pleased labor leaders by going after “employers who were dodging overtime pay, benefits, and taxes by classifying employees as independent contractors.” His efforts resulted in a new law in 2009 that set down new rules and stiff fines. Maryland AFL-CIO chief Fred Mason said, “This is someone who understands the relationship between worker rights and human rights.” The headline of Serwer’s piece was: A Labor Secretary Pick Progressives Will Love—and Republicans Will Hate.
Republican Senator Chuck Grassley hated him more for the work he’d done at the Justice Department.
But Perez has made political enemies, too. Chief among them is Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), the ranking Republican on the Senate judiciary committee, who has been harshly critical of the civil rights division’s aggressive approach. The politicization of the civil rights division in the Bush era has been well documented, but Grassley accused Perez and the current division of similar behavior. Grassley signed a 2010 letter to Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) accusing the division of “widespread politicization and possible corruption” related to the discredited allegations regarding the New Black Panther Party. In 2011, Grassley complained that too many new hires at the civil rights division had previously worked for “liberal advocacy groups,” by which he meant civil rights organizations.
Our own Nancy LeTourneau has written on more than one occasion about the amazing turnaround at the DOJ’s Civil Rights division under Tom Perez. For example, back in March 2015, she noted that:
Some people might remember how that division was corrupted during the Bush/Cheney administration. Everything about the division became politicized – including hirings, firings and prosecutions…
…What we see is that on at least two issues that are of primary importance in maintaining civil rights in this country – voting rights and investigating police misconduct – the Executive branch of our government purposefully dropped the ball.
All of that changed with the Obama administration…
…[Perez’s] talk was backed up by plenty of walk. It all began with the Civil Rights Division hiring attorneys with actual civil rights experience. The Division has been aggressive in defending voting rights and investigating police misconduct…the Civil Rights Division of DOJ started an investigation of the Cleveland Police Department more than a year before Tamir Rice was killed.
Progressives, therefore, were largely enthusiastic about the idea of Tom Perez heading the Labor Department. I include myself in that group. You can see me celebrating here Tom Perez’s successful effort to pry money out of SunTrust for the “racial surtax” they charged blacks who sought home loans.
Somewhere along the line, though, a segment of the progressive community decided that Tom Perez is not their ally. And now a narrative has developed that he’s an actual enemy of progressives and his election over the weekend as the new head of the Democratic National Committee is some kind of defeat for progressives. Prominent in pushing this narrative is Matt Bruenig who wrote an essay after the vote declaring that “The establishment wing has made it very clear that they will do anything and everything to hold down the left faction.”
Now, I could spend a lot of time trashing Matt Bruenig rather than his argument, but I’ll simply note the basic biographical information about him that you need to know. He was fired last year from the lefty think tank Demos for being a jerk on Twitter. Specifically, he attacked Hillary Clinton supporters Joan Walsh and Neera Tanden in very personal terms, calling them “geriatric.” He’s been described as an “incisive poverty analyst” as well as “widely admired for his work on poverty.” After his firing, Glenn Greenwald took up his cause, and accused Demos of showing undue deference to Neera Tanden because they expected her to become chief of staff to President Hillary Clinton.
He fought w/head of most powerful Dem think tank- likely to be Hillary's WH Chief of Staff- so @Demos_Org fired him https://t.co/pBnGebeoPC
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) May 20, 2016
Bruenig’s clear preference was that Minnesota congressman Keith Ellison would become the new chair of the DNC, and he wants you to believe that his defeat is your defeat. But he makes a very curious argument in support of this idea.
It begins with Rep. Ellison leaping out of the gate a mere week after the November presidential election and declaring himself a candidate for the DNC chair. At the outset, all appeared normal. Ellison won praise and/or endorsements from major party players like Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer and Bernie Sanders.
Yet, before long the New York Times reported that the Obama administration wanted some alternative to Ellison and were looking around to find a champion.
The way Bruenig characterizes this is “that point of this recruitment was to beat back the left faction that Ellison represented.”
Two immediate questions should come to your mind about this. The first is why the Obama administration would see Ellison as a much greater threat than Harry Reid or Chuck Schumer. Are the former and current Senate Democratic leaders not equally the embodiment of the Democratic establishment? And, secondly, if the object was to beat back the left, why did the Obama folks select a member of their cabinet who was so respected by labor unions and civil rights advocates?
Bruenig doesn’t attempt to answer these questions. Instead, he tells us:
On December 15, Tom Perez came into the DNC race. Around the same time, the establishment forces mounted a brutal smear campaign against Ellison, placing stories all over the place about how he was (or still is) an anti-semitic, Farrakhan-loving, Nation of Islam guy.
This effort ultimately paid off with Perez narrowly winning the DNC chair election over Ellison.
This in inaccurate in some basic ways. For example, I wrote about the opposition dump on Rep. Keith Ellison on December 1st, which was two weeks before Tom Perez declared himself a candidate. In fact, I didn’t even mention Perez in that piece and instead focused on Howard Dean (opposed by Schumer) and NARAL’s Ilyse Hogue (endorsed by Daily Kos‘s Markos Moulitsas). My focus at the time was my desire that whoever took over the DNC treat it as as full-time job, unlike Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
The timing is important because it’s unfair to taint Tom Perez by associating him with a smear campaign against Keith Ellison by misrepresenting when that campaign was initiated.
For Bruenig, once Perez entered the race, it became a fight “between left and right factions of the Democratic party,” and this constitutes the core of his narrative. But there isn’t a single sentence in his entire essay dedicated to explaining why and how Perez represents the faction on the right. Bruenig says that those who worked to elect Tom Perez as DNC chairman were “trying to beat [their] ideological opponents,” but there’s not one word on why Perez is an ideological opponent of anyone.
And, of course, the first thing that Perez did after he won the election was to announce that he was selecting Keith Ellison to be his deputy which, if the point was really to “beat back the left faction that Ellison represented,” could only be considered a squandering of the spoils of war.
Perez’s deputizing of Ellison was an obvious nod towards party unity that ought to undermine the argument Bruenig has been pursuing. But what’s really missing here is any clear idea of what was won by the faction of the right and what was lost by the faction of the left.
Other than the fact that Ellison endorsed Bernie Sanders and Tom Perez endorsed Hillary Clinton, it’s hard to understand why this ever became a fight between factions in the Democratic Party. If there were a substantive case that Ellison would have pursued strategies as chairman more pleasing to progressives than Perez, Bruenig surely would have mentioned them, but he didn’t.
I believe he didn’t because he couldn’t find any compelling differences between them on substance.
Yet, he says that this defeat is so insulting that “the left should not care” about the Democratic Party anymore except insofar as it can “focus its energies on organizing under alternative institutions” that will “attempt hostile takeovers of various power positions.”
It should go without saying that Matt Bruenig has no right to speak for progressives or for any left faction within the Democratic Party. Perez had an impressive roster of endorsements from progressive organizations, including the United Food and Commercial Workers, the United Farm Workers, and the International Association of Fire Fighters. And it shouldn’t go without mentioning that Bruenig’s faction used emails purloined by the Russians to smear Perez, so it probably behooves everyone to forgive and forget a little bit about the uglier aspects of this campaign.
Perez and Ellison are a team now, and that seems to have ruined the Pout Party some of Ellison’s more unhinged supporters had planned for this week.
As a progressive, I’m happy with the outcome and I don’t have any more patience left for folks who are more interested in fake fights than real ones.
Nicely done. Either/or seemed like a good set of choices to me, the fact that we have both is a win for everyone.
That said, I popped extra corn today cause this thread is gonna be fun.
Lots and lots of butthurt on parade, oh, yes.
http://www.vox.com/2016/12/30/14062696/dnc-ellison-sanders
http://newrepublic.com/article/140847/case-tom-perez-makes-no-sense
Do you see stupid that line of reasoning is?
It’s as if the only reason they wanted or preferred Ellison is because he endorsed Sanders and it would give them the appearance of added influence without it making a damn bit of difference.
And then they turn that around and put it on the supporters of Perez.
If they don’t lose anything more than a symbolic trophy, then their opponents don’t win anything more than a symbolic trophy.
Why are the rest of us supposed to give a shit?
http://theintercept.com/2017/02/24/key-question-about-dnc-race-why-did-white-house-recruit-perez-to-
run-against-ellison/
If nothing else, acceding to Ellison would have been a nice gesture after the last two DNC chairs had to resign in disgrace for their backroom dealings in favor of Clinton.
Yeah. “Because Glenn Greenwald says so” isn’t really the solid reason you think it is.
Basically, ‘if Greenwald says so’, I’m going the other way.
Greenwald attacking Obama for the same warmongering and domestic spying for which he attacked Bush II may have earned him a permanent place on the shitlist of Democratic loyalists. But those of who have principles instead of a party are free to consider his arguments on their own merits.
It’s possible to consider his arguments on their “merits” and consider his arguments to be bullshit.
Possible, certainly.
But in the continuing absence of any response to the substance of the quote rather than its author, unlikely.
Booman handled that, but okay, he’s claiming that the losing side in the primary should get to chose the head of the DNC. Because it’s merely a symbolic position. Imagine that argument if it came from Clinton after the primary in 08. It would be justly ridiculed. And she came a lot closer to beating Obama, than Sanders did to beating her.
“To the victor go the spoils” isn’t an attractive look after the exposure of cheating to benefit the winner, but I suppose it’s a defensible point of view.
The question becomes: What is the party more concerned with? Protecting its grubby prerogatives? Or returning to power?
I know it’s rhetorical, but it’s the iron law of institutions.
Obama beat the Republicans. Clinton did not.
Their cases very different.
Clinton didn’t just lose to the Republicans. She lost to Donald Trump.
What more noxious a stench of failure could any name now carry? How more profoundly could anyone and their influence be discredited?
The fact that Sanders lost the primary pales to insignificance before the fact that Clinton lost the election to the likes of Donald Trump.
I can’t tell if you’re sarcastically mocking Dunwoody’s argument above or seriously repeating it.
Obviously if Clinton’s close loss to Trump in the general is disqualifying then Sanders big loss in the primary to the person that lost to Trump would be more so.
I don’t buy either argument but it’s really dumb to accept the first and deny the second.
So, you expected a “coronation” for Ellison? Why would you ever expect the establishment to cede power willingly. The goal is to expand your power base by winning the argument. Get to 50%+1.
This. All of this. Plus, I find the willingness to ignore, or toss out all of Perez’s progressive cred simply because he had the temerity to run for said “symbolic trophy” a bit disturbing.
As two very accomplished men, Perez and Ellison should be debated on their own merits not on some desire to re-litigate the primary and let me remind people that I say this as someone who ended up supporting Buttigieg.
I also wonder if it’s possible that some of Bernie’s supporters voted for Perez. I think thinking each group votes in unison is a mistake that we’ve all been making.
Both men are progressive and would have done a good job as chair.
The subtext is that the reality is more nuanced. I would not expect the voting members to vote in lockstep any more than I would expect those who favor Sanders or Clinton/Obama to support any of these individuals in lockstep. I would not be surprised if some of Sanders’ supporters in the DNC were impressed with what Perez brought to the table.
In any event, it’s a done deal. Both front runners were advocating for something I wanted advocated: a return to a 50 state strategy. Personally I was cool with either of these individuals. I was intrigued with Buttigieg as well (I liked his explicit recognition of the need to empower its younger members, which I agree is desperately needed going forward). Main thing is that whoever is at the helm needs to deliver. Perez and Ellison as a team leave me feeling optimistic. And yes, I still like Sanders and the platform he ran on – it’s Sanders’ ideas that were what brought me into the party, after all.
Why are the rest of us supposed to give a shit?
Then why run Perez? Why was Obama, and a number of his former staff, making calls for Perez? There is also the Islamophobia directed at Ellison. I suppose it’s cool to you that the biggest donor to the Democratic Party is a raging bigot. But then Sanders supporters aren’t the ones that turned the overall party into a nuclear wasteland.
doesn’t Perez have any say in this, he’s not some empty vessel
Maybe Obama didn’t get the “it’s just a symbolic trophy” memo.
This is THE question that our beloved host doesn’t quite get to. Why did Perez jump in? Easy enough to say, “why not,” but that would appear to apply to anyone with the same values/ideology of Ellison and Perez.
Ellison was not a choice the BHO WH or the HRC campaign were ok with. Why?
The Mighty Morphing Power Bigot, for one.
He was out of a job, this one was available, and he felt more than qualified?
Perhaps he felt that his expertise in the area of beating back vote suppression might be put to good use as head of the DNC?
I mean it couldn’t be the man who has spent a good chunk of his professional career fighting for voter rights isn’t invested in making sure the DNC has a robust voter protection effort.
Yes we are all just a bunch of stupid leftists for actually caring who won.
But then this was your attitude during the primary fight, where you kind of where for Sanders, except to say he was doing it wrong. And you basically ignored Bernie until Iowa anyway.
Yes, there were real ideological differences here. Perez attacked single payer, attacked the free college plan that Hillary Clinton adopted, and supported the TPP.
But these are unimportant ideological differences. And we aren’t supposed to remember that Perez said that the process was rigged against Bernie, and then claimed he misspoke.
Were all just a bunch of dumb lefties who don’t understand politics.
I get it.
It is much better to have the Clinton people in charge – and Perez means they will be.
Because we all know they are why the Party is in such a strong position.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/perez-doesnt-rule-out-a-hillary-clinton-run-for-the-presidency-in-
2020/article/2615807
Remember the definition of insanity.
What’s he supposed to say to such a stupid question?
“Secretary Clinton has not told me of any future plans to seek office” would seem to cover it.
It’s the only possible answer he can give. It’s up to primary voters what to if she runs.
That is the only thing he could say.
I have no doubt the Clintons will consider it.
Ellison also said he intended to trim the sails of Dem consultancy class. Ouch!!
That is rather a large difference right there.
And no mention of Saban? Mega-Dem-donor whose anti-Muslim tantrum was just as likely to have set off the hunt for another candidate? Or was that timing just coinkidink?
My initial questions about Perez in that post was his missing the deadline for the implementation of several important labor regulation changes ahead of any presidential election. Even the Bush admin was aware and mindful of that 6 month period. Bet the Nurses Union did not support Perez… It is an administrative post, no?
And Perez’s statement that the markets were gonna have a correction??? Like that will give Dems a leg up? Wall Street and Main Street have never been so detached.
Then there is this beauty:
The guy is the chair of the state party where Boo and I live. And to think he got the job because the guy before him was a joke.
The unintended irony in that Tweet is big enough to capture small moons in its orbit.
Think about how harassing DNC members works the next time the harassers lose an election.
I didn’t see anything about harassing there. Just expressing preferences. So we’re back to square one. If expressing preferences to your own party = harassment, what does that say about the party.
It says to me they don’t like to be bothered by the Great Unwashed, hoi polloi.
You don’t see what you don’t want to see.
Here you have a guy who tells you that he received so many hundreds of phone calls from one side of the debate that he voted for the other guy out of frustration more than anything else, and you don’t see how the guy was annoyed into doing the opposite of what the people calling him wanted.
It’s all his fault for not enjoying this one-sided onslaught on his spare time.
But however you characterize his reaction, justified or not, the point is that it didn’t work so that’s the irony in the tweet.
And you see what you want to see.
You have a guy who’s saying that because he doesn’t want to admit that he was going to vote for Perez all along.
Like the many Bernie concern-trollers who were going to vote for Hillary all along but didn’t want to admit it.
Sure, the callers forced this guy to vote for someone he really didn’t want to vote for. That’s the ticket. If he had been for Ellison, he would have been glad to get their calls and they would have been a lot shorter.
“Here you have a guy who tells you that he received so many hundreds of phone calls from one side of the debate that he voted for the other guy out of frustration more than anything else”
Gosh that sounds familiar… http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2017/2/19/111825/054
Not sure what you mean.
Are you going for “unsolicited advice”?
The first Hispanic or Latino governor was Romualdo Pacheco (1875), California and yes, he was a Republican. New Mexico has had a number of Hispanic governors that were Democrats, but the current one is a Republican as is the governor of Nevada (who won re-election in 2014 with 70.6% of the vote).
The Labor Unions preferred Ellison over Obama’s head of the Department of Labor.
What does that tell you?
That they preferred Ellison. International Longshore and Warehouse Union, one of the most radical unions in the country, endorsed Perez. This is a weak angle to argue, imo.
The AFL-CIO and AFSCME endorsed Ellison, as did the SEIU.
I think it is pretty relevant that the major labor unions opposed Perez.
Question: was there a vote on it? I heard there was a vote in many of these unions with essentially one choice on the ballot. I don’t find the argument that the most effective labor secretary since Frances Perkins was opposed by unions in favor of another candidate who is good on labor issues but hasn’t had responsibility (yet) convincing. So many better arguments to make (see Rachel’s post). There was a reason Perez was recruited: it’s because these issues are easily blunted.
Ellison himself didn’t make this case, insisting that they agreed — perhaps to his own detriment.
“…most effective labor secretary since Frances Perkins…”
Just WHO made that judgement? It’s enough to make a cat laugh. But I have sure seen it used a lot.
May he long be remembered… http://www.aflcio.org/About/Our-History/Key-People-in-Labor-History/Arthur-Joseph-Goldberg-1908-1990
A labor secretary that labor thinks was important.
Whoever made it would also likely claim that Clinton and Obama were the most progressive Presidents since FDR. IOW, historical ignoramuses.
That they noticed when they did not get the promised overtime changes. This reminded them of the fate of card check?
Did they notice the victory in the Verizon strike? Did they notice the Home Care Rule?
You’re like Phil but with occasional links. No real arguments. Lots of red herrings and diversions, thoughts semi-coherently put together, whataboutisms, but ultimately a learned haplessness of refusing to take responsibility when you lose. It’s more annoying than convincing. Keep moving that goal post, mino. If the courts upheld the overtime changes (like they should have), it’d be something else. You have power and can’t even recognize it. Rather than seize it you sit here and whine.
I wish more people could be honest here about all of this. Dave Weigel probably provided the best take:
link
Explain to them. Why Bush could take it away, but Dems could not get it back.
The labor unions were split, and would have been more split if the order of candidate announcement had been reversed.
They were? Looks like one had significantly more support than the other.
If the Perez candidacy were meant to freeze Sanders people out, why did Perez and Ellison each agree to appoint the other as vice-Chair before the vote, and why did Perez immediately keep that promise?
If Sanders supporters who supported Ellison’s candidacy for the Chair refuse to hear Ellison’s plea to pull together in support of him and Perez, then Ellison has limits as a leader.
If Sanders supporters walk away from the Party, they will not be doing the necessary work to reform the Party. The Sanders movement would also grievously damage itself.
You want to see what a Sanders movement without the Democratic Party looks like? Add a few percentage points to the portion of the electorate that votes for Green Party candidates and you’re in the ballpark.
A 50-State strategy needs a lot of money and strong institutions which it can move through. People bitch about the lack of Democratic Party institutional strength, while refusing to deal with the undeniable fact that the Sanders movement has even weaker institutions at the moment.
The Sanders movement is in the halls of power; they can wield great influence over national, state and local elections and governance in the next few years. Or they can walk away from the Democratic Party and lose their best chance. As someone who badly wants to improve the Democratic Party, I hope they stick around to help.
The people who radicalized the Republican Party and turned it into the fascistic monster it now is have been working for decades to reform their Party, and they finally succeeded, pushing thru resistance from much of the GOP establishment to do so. I hope Sanders movement activists can show some patience and continue to wield the power they now have.
We’ve all got to be in this for the long haul.
There is a lot of spinning from the enemies of the Democratic Party trying to energize their divide and conquer strategy.
Don’t fall for it.
We got the trumpenfuhrer mostly because of it (I beleive)
Anytime the trumpenfuhrer is jumping on the bandwagon tells you what the party did to unite at the committee level was a good thing.
Time will tell if its real – meaning if Ellison leaves pissed off we will know.
Ellison is a grown ass man. He’s not going to leave pissed off. He’s going to fight. Hard. Like he always has. There is literally no downside to this situation.
LOL!! It’s hilarious that some people are okay with the fact the Democratic Party has been reduced to a sideshow. No introspection about how things came to this. How wondering about how did a party lose close to 1,000 state legislature seats in 8 years. Which is virtually unheard of. And the same people are still in power.
Cool non-sequitur, bro.
No, it is a sequitur. You said “there’s literally no down side to this situation.” He’s asking, how can you say that given the history of the party? Makes perfect sense to me, whether you agree with it or not.
The lost them largely because the GOP cheats and the Ds try fairly hard not to.
Yes, I know, anyone who disagrees with Clinton, or Perez is an enemy agent.
That’s bullshit. If Ellison won, damn near everybody on this thread would be totally cool with it. Even those that supported Perez.
For a month or two, until Ellison’s insufficient purity betrayed him as the new neoliberal traitor to the cause.
It would have been soon enough that Ellison proved not to be pure enough for the “more progressive than thou” wing of the party and there would have been calls for a “progressive” takeover his corrupt chairmanship.
Sooner, had Ellison immediately made Perez his deputy.
I literally had no preference.
I preferred Buttigieg but would have been fine with Ellison as I am Perez. Every person running seemed to understand that the D party needed to overhaul and fast. They all talked extensively about getting back to the 50 state strategy. About recruiting local talent.
I believe that. But you should have.
why? they’re both good progressives
Have you been following this thread at all?
the pout party is in full swing on my facebook page.
Bruenig’s policy work on poverty is quite good from everything I’ve seen. Bruenig’s various takedowns of Libertarian philosophy is some of the best writing on the internet.
But unfortunately Bruenig was at the center of some of the ugliest, most personal, and frankly dumbest Sanders vs Clinton twitter wars. He and his wife were targeted by absolute assholes and he engaged in more than his own share of asshole behavior as well, with brigades of nasty trolls on both sides. It finally blew up with his firing from Demos (without rehashing that, the firing was justified but his geriatric line was referring to an ongoing two-sided dispute about supporters’ demographics and not simply a raw ageist insult).
It all just makes it hard to take him seriously when he talks about “the left” vs “the establishment” because of the personal history and it’s too bad- I really like a lot of his previous work.
I had to give this a “4”. Thank you for a bit more backstory that is fair and less slanted.
If you haven’t read his writing on Libertarianism, it’s delightful. Hopefully most of the links here are still live.
yep. He writes with some wit. Thanks for the link.
He’s one of my favorite analysts, and the notion that calling someone ‘geriatric’ is terrible offense is one of my least-favorite leftie impulses.
Oh, dear, was someone rude? Well, we can’t have that. Passion is so unfortunate, don’t you agree?
As I said, I’m not interested in re-litigating that clusterfuck. There was plenty of bad behavior to go around. I thought Matt’s behavior went beyond simple rudeness or passion, and it was more than that one tweet. Likewise the people who were trolling him back. The twitter war was completely out of control and I wouldn’t have been surprised if the lot of them had gotten banned. It was all very disappointing and unfortunate. Obviously there are limits when you’re a public-facing writer for a policy think tank that wouldn’t apply if you’re Joe Schmo and Matt crossed that line.
If we can’t accept an ugly, offensive, juvenile ‘twitter war,’ we’ll never handle the Republicans. We’re so precious.
Well, I can “accept” it without liking it or being impressed with any of the participants’ behavior. But it’s really Matt’s employer that wasn’t willing to accept it and I can’t blame them for that, even though it was unfortunate. If Krugman was on twitter posting juvenile insults at his opponents left and right and getting sucked into troll battles I doubt he’d keep his job at the Times for long. A basic level of professionalism from paid policy and opinion writers should be expected in their public discourse. And again, I’m a big fan of his and have been for years, from before any of this bullshit went down.
Nothing like winning friends and influencing people. Which this isn’t the way to do it. But hey, jump on the Tom Watson(who used to comment here) bandwagon. I’m sure it’ll work out for you just fine.
What is the story on Ellison being anti-Semitic?
There isn’t one, not really. It’s a smear.
That pretty much sums it up.
That’s right.
What he is, however, is anti-semantic. The semantics of cynical politics.
Se my post below for more.
ASG
I saw a twitter feed from Dershowitz who said if Ellison was elected he would quit the party bc anti Semitism. So what will he do now and does anyone follow his lead?
I’d assumed he already left the party during the Bush years because they were giving him the Muslim-killing and torturing fix he was looking for. If anything were to happen that would cause him to re-abandon the party of human decency, all I can say is:
Bye, Felicia!
I haven’t given a fuck what Dershowitz thinks in many decades.
I had wished they would have been co-chairs. We ended up pretty much with that any. And Ellison retains his seat. I trust they will be a good partnership.
I’m not going to cry in my beer until I see concretely how this is working out. And maybe then I won’t have to. Or maybe I will.
But what does rub me the wrong way is people acting like the whole issue is ridiculous. Like there was never any issue there. And I don’t see why you had to take that tack, Booman. I agree with Fladem, it harks back to your whole tack during the primaries.
One of the characteristics of arguments dismissive of the issue is that they focus narrowly on Ellison and Perez as individuals, rather than the full context.
But given Ellison’s very strong showing in the vote, it would be insane for the Democratic establishment to sideline him. Of course we all remember the classic definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and expecting it to come out differently.
So we’ll see, won’t we.
Booman writes:
Of course…it had nothing to do with the fact that the Dems need all the help that they can muster in attracting Latino votes, right?
Naaaaahhh…
AG
P.S. Same thing goes here. The so-called “smart” Dem money…the Pelosi/Schumer bloc that supported HRC and hustled Sanders out of the running…is playing racial politics two ways with this move.
1-They elevate a Latino name to national prominence…someone who has a very, very good front, by the way. Like…”respectable???”
2-They eliminate a candidate who is both an avowed Muslim and quite obviously of African ancestry.
Can’t be alienating possible voters with that kind of info, right?
They agree with Trump, only they’re not allowed to say it publicly.
Killing several birds with one hustle…the very essence of the cynical political game. You know…the one that got both its asses handed to it by Donald T. Rump over the past couple of years?
Yeah.
That one.
Dangerous to the DNC brand, at the very least.
Sad…
Jesus.
Schumer endorsed the scary black Muslim, AG, which puts a small crimp in your racially charged narrative.
That was then; this is now.
Things have changed.
I believe that if the state of the sociopolitical balance in the U.S. had been the same then as it is now…the constantly accelerating demonization of Muslims (remember…Obama has a Muslim name) and the truly horrifying state of the urban black communities in the U.S. (There was no Ferguson, no Murderdelphia or Chicago/capital of the street shooting, no Baltimore rioting, no “stand your ground” racial shootings when Obama was coming up)…if that had been going on at the level it is now, Obama would not have won the nomination, let alone the presidency.
My narrative is not so much “racially charged” as it is politically charged. The Dems now believe that they need to win back some large percentage of the white population that either voted for Trump or sat the election out in disgust. They also believe that they need a solid Latino vote and that they already have as many black votes as they are going to get.
If I was was a soulless political operative, a by-the-numbers, back room hustler, I would have recommended the same thing to the Schumer/Pelosi mob.
But I am not that, and I think that their own “racially charged” political decisions are going to rear back and bite them right in the ass.
I await an effective, competitive third party movement with bated breath.
AG
Hey, Ron Paul acolyte, go and help organize the Party that is in your image. Waiting for someone else to do it will get you what it’s getting you.
Physician, heal thyself.
Your party is bereft of substance. It is now absolutely irredeemable as far as I am concerned. Beyond all hope.
And…I am no one’s “acolyte.”
And…I will only work for a party that crystallizes around an established political leader who appears to me to have the charisma, experience in the DC wars and gravitas to actually win.
If Sanders leaves the Dems…especially if Warren goes with him or vice-versa…you can damned well bet I’ll work for them.
Lost causes?
Apparently unlike a number of people on this site…I have other things to do.
The Democratic Party is now a lost cause, unless you consider the continuance of the bipartisan, plutocrat-owned Permanent Government to be a cause worth working for.
The U.S.A…just the current Ukrainian government blown up real big.
All fake news.
And why would it be otherwise? Read Victoria Nuland’s recent history for all you need to know on that account. She set the whole Ukraine boondoggle up.
Clinton lost on merit, and Trump won by default
WTFU.
AG
Nope, nope, nope. Hispanics don’t vote that way, imo. Don’t think there are any state-wide Hispanics from Texas yet, and the first one will probably be a Republican at the rate we are going. I am NOT counting Cruz as he doesn’t count as Hispanic with Texans. We have had some great House Hispanics, even if poor Henry B was dead boring. But bankers SHOULD be boring, lol.
I don’t have any more patience left for folks who are more interested in fake fights than real ones.
That assumes that you know which are real and which are fake. Or when no fight materialized at all as in 2001, 2009, and 2011 DNC Chair elections. Exactly how the 2016 Democratic primary was supposed to be conducted. How did all of those pre-selections work out? (Just think, the DNC Chair would have been Roemer (or maybe McAuliffe again because his track record properly sucked) in 2005 if not for all those noisy losers.)
Maybe instead of silently standing down, “progressives” should have undertaken a “fake fight” in 2009 and 2011. Would have been difficult come up with and back a candidate that would have done worse than Kaine and DWS.
Throughout Clinton’s and Obama’s terms as POTUS, the left was continuously admonished to STFU and defer to those two men and their small circle of VIPs. If one likes their legacies (to name just one component, first cleaning out the congressional Democratic majority filled with FDR Democrats and then cleaning out the DINO congressional majority), why the outrage that the “real fight” has been reduced to one other component, President Trump (which is just as difficult for me to type as speak).
I’m so over people saying that it doesn’t matter, when it obviously does matter to many people. Yes, both candidates are significantly more liberal than their predecessors, so yay for that.
I think it’s more worthwhile to look at why a lot of Democrats thought Ellison was unacceptable than to try to shove the whole thing under the rug. This is all I can find:
Look, these are real issues. We can acknowledge them and still come together as a party.
Shaun King has pointed out that it’s huge progress that Ellison received 200 votes and came close – his percentage of this vote was much higher than Sanders’ percentage of superdelegates. So the intra-party debate will go on, as it should, with progress being slow and incremental. In the meantime, we can go kick some GOP ass.
View on lobbyist and corporate donations. Here are their EXACT quotes from the Nevada forum on January 18th
ELLISON
“If I become DNC chairman I won’t impose a policy, it will be a democratic process,” Ellison said at the debate, sponsored by the Huffington Post.
“If it’s the will of our party, that’s what we’ll do, but it would bring the responsibility on to everyone’s shoulders because we’d have to go find that money.”
PEREZ
Labor Secretary Tom Perez, another leading DNC chairman contender, called it a “complicated problem” and said it is “important to study the consequences, intended and unintended.”
So each man’s policy was – I won’t impose it unilaterally and we need to discuss the consequences of it i.e. how we replace those funds
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/315001-ellison-backs-away-from-pledge-to-ban-lobbyist-donations
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This is why the moment they swapped campaign pins they both outed themselves — or each other — as neo-liberal sellouts, and equally unworthy of support from true progressives.
It is now clear that the people would have lost, no matter which of them had won.
The imaginary lefty your talking about is not so much in evidence on this board as to justify the constant reiteration of this tired attempt at snark.
In other words, give that strawman a vacation.
Ellison rolls over for Perez.
New DNC chair Perez will attend Trump’s speech as former rival’s guest
Some tribune of the people. Of course, it could be blackmail from the Clinton people. They roll that way.
I don’t understand your interpretation. This is a non-event. Trump’s comment is nothing but a provocation.
This has also been egged on by that shill Michael Sanaito in the Trumpist Observer. It’s pure concern trolling and scab-picking — of other people’s scabs.
http://observer.com/2017/02/tom-perez-defeats-keith-ellison-dnc-chair-sanders-2020/
Divide and conquer. That’s what Trump and the GOP are counting on. The Observer article does not surprise me.
Doesn’t surprise me either, but I don’t sse how these shit-stirring articles have any effect. A visitor from Mars might get the impression that the frictions in the Democratic Party were being stirred up from outside, but they’re not, they’re genuine internal frictions. On the other hand, I am sure that whatever our differences, none of us is taken in by the Trumpsters’ concern troll Michael Sanaito.
No worries. This is pretty sharp group of folks. I imagine most of us know a con when we see it.
At the bottom of that link:
The Washington Post noted that Bernie had 57 supporters among super-delegates, and Ellison received 200 votes for chair. At the same time this vote was occurring Kansas was electing a state party made up of Bernie supporters.
One way to read this story is that it is a reflection of just much progress Sanders forces are making within the various state parties.
None of this matters to Booman, but there is an an optimistic reading of this outcome.
Unfortunately it means the idiots who ran the Clinton campaign are safe in the jobs they got after Clinton lost.
Sander’s supporters will probably do well in red states where the Dem party is weak already. We’ll see what happens. I hope for the best, but taking over the Dem party in those states is pretty easy pickings sad to say.
Or happy to say. After the DNC’s neglect of them, it’s poetic justice to be taken over by people who actually give a shit.
You may very well be right – great comment.
I haven’t seen a breakdown in the vote. I do believe Bernie people have made significant progress in California, a deep blue state, but where state parties are thin they are easy to take over.
Kansas you knew about, but they are also active in Colorado recently.
Any Ellison supporters who continue to be upset about this result are whitesplaining and demeaning Ellison himself, who said:
Yup, or at least I’m willing to fake it to make it.
Because I can’t edit: Yes to Ellison’s quote.
Calling it whitesplaining is total bullshit and it has consistently been deployed against Sanders and allies in lieu of actual arguments.
Thank you for that quote. I think Ellison sums it up nicely.
He nails the subtext……’my opponents don’t love America as much as I do’.
The Assassination of Keith Ellison by the Neoliberal Coward Tom Perez. FTW
I hope Perez succeeds. I intend to help him succeed. I am pretty sure he will fail because he was the candidate supported by the Clinton/Obama wing and they have done nothing but fail except for Obama’s 2012 win.
That is a big except, but I think that victory is largely laid at the feat of the man himself who has a great many exemplary qualities as a candidate and a president. Qualities most candidates even successful ones don’t have or don’t have in the same measure and so are not really applicable to institution building.
From the annals of American Muslim antisemitism:
Muslims raise money to repair vandalized Jewish cemetery
I guess we’re both Semites now.
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As in our faculty meetings, the viciousness of the infighting is inversely proportional to the importance of the issues.
The two facts that shape my view of this are:
I will wait and see. And in 2018, I’ll do again what I usually do these days: vote for the Democratic ticket and hope the campaigns have their act together enough to win something.
But I have little hope that my interests will be those of either party. At this point, as a Boomer, both parties want me dead and gone and the memory of liberal governance that worked well enough for a time gone as well. That especially hurts at the state level in the South. The crop of governors that included Richard Riley, Jimmy Carter, Terry Sanford, Bill Clinton, Reuben Askew, Ann Richards, and others had begun to turn the corner on economic development, education, desegregation, and innovation. It’s what brought transplants to their cities and states. It’s what changed the urban culture of the cities that still vote for Democrats. The political organizations that helped that happen and continue to turn out people unfortunately have locally been captured by real estate and land development interests. And after being captured at the state level, most of these organizations lost their states entirely.
I fear that this trend is being nationalized within the organization of the Democratic Party. But I will wait and see.