During the course of his presidential campaign, Bernie Sanders developed an enviable donor list. That’s why Harry Reid went to Sanders and asked for his help in raising money and other support for Democratic Senate candidates all over the country. On Monday, Sanders came through by sending out an email with the title: Winning the Senate. The email explains:
“I want to be clear: It is very important that our movement holds public officials accountable. The Democratic Party passed an extremely progressive agenda at the convention. Our job is to make sure that platform is implemented. That will not happen without Democratic control of the Senate.”
However, winning the Senate is clearly a secondary goal for Sanders. His first priority is electing a certain kind of Democrat. Former governors Maggie Hassan and Ted Strickland of, respectively, New Hampshire and Ohio are worthy of support. Neither Reps. Patrick Murphy nor Alan Grayson of Florida pass that test. Katie McGinty of Pennsylvania and former Nevada Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto get an endorsement, but the same cannot be said of Patty Judge of Iowa or Deborah Ross of North Carolina.
Sanders could have told his supporters to back Ann Kirkpatrick in Arizona and Tammy Duckworth in Illinois and Evan Bayh in Indiana, but he didn’t.
The outlines of some sort of logic are evident. Grayson may be progressive on a lot of issues but he’s also morally compromised. Evan Bayh, Patrick Murphy and Ann Kirkpatrick are very centrist Democrats. Tammy Duckworth, way back in the mists of time (2006), won a contentious primary against Christine Cegelis, a progressive so pure that she refused to endorse Duckworth’s bid in the general election to take over Henry Hyde’s vacated House seat. Patty Judge, the 46th Lieutenant Governor and once Secretary of Agriculture for Iowa, just defeated a Wellstonian progressive who campaigned in his Prius touting the excellent example of FDR’s righthand man, Iowan Harry Hopkins, and their record creating the Works Progress Administration (WPA).
On the other hand, Sanders did give a shout-out to Katie McGinty even though most Sanders supporters in the Keystone State lined up for her primary opponent, Joe Sestak.
It makes sense for Sanders to apply some kind of standard for his support, even if it’s not all that clear what the standard is. If he were to just endorse every Democrat on the block, regardless of where they stand or have stood, then he’d be no different than DSCC chairman Jon Tester or any standard partisan yellow dog Democrat. His campaign was not just about beating Republicans. It was also about reforming the Democratic Party, which he might have done if he had chosen to remain a party member for more than 72 hours after losing his bid to lead it.
Yet, the email funding solicitation says that it’s about “winning the Senate,” and that enacting a progressive agenda “will not happen without Democratic control of the Senate.”
But, guess what?
It’s not likely that there will be a Democratic Senate if the Dems don’t win with at least some of the candidates that Sanders is pointedly not supporting. Maybe Tammy Duckworth doesn’t need his help and Evan Bayh doesn’t want it, but Patty Judge and Deborah Ross are in tough campaigns where they’re going to be badly outspent.
I mention all this not so much to pick on Sanders, because I recognize and respect the imperatives he has as a leader of progressive-minded people. The reason I find it instructive is because it points out rather starkly the intersection of aspirational and pragmatic politics. There really is a “Professional Left” (I know, I used to be employed by it) whose job isn’t to “win the Senate” at all, but to push for issues and empower progressives over squishes within the Democratic Party. In practice, this means sending message after message to left-wing Democrats that will outrage them and get them to give money, sign petitions, and become members of your organization. Any effort that fails in those three respects, will not be repeated.
But, behind these efforts, and before they become jaundiced and curdled, is real idealism and a quite rational belief that some problems in America can’t wait, are not going to be fixed incrementally, and require systemic and radical change.
Set against these idealists, now and always, are equally (perhaps more) rational pragmatists who will point out uncomfortable truths like the fact that some progress can be made on Bernie Sanders’s agenda with a Democratic Senate, even if that Senate majority is only made by the election of Evan Bayh, and that no legislative progress can made with a Republican Senate.
This pragmatic truth is unassailable enough that it’s the exact pitch that Sanders made to his supporters in his email.
The Sanders delegates helped craft the most progressive Democratic platform in history, and they won’t see any of it come to anything unless the Democrats “win the Senate.” (The Dems would need to win the House, too, but that’s another email, right?).
So, what’s the error that the idealists make?
The error is to misdiagnose the problem in a way that makes them blind to how progress actually happens in our system.
The last eight years offer all the evidence you need to see this. President Obama swept large Democratic majorities into Congress which he used in 2009 and 2010 to pass a flurry of legislation (see a list here). Quibble all you want with the details, but more got done on a progressive agenda in those two years than had been accomplished in eight years of Bill Clinton’s presidency or in all the years since Lyndon Johnson left the West Wing. But this was also the peak of power for the fiscally and (often) socially conservative Blue Dogs. When the Blue Dogs were wiped out in the elections of 2010, it took the Democrats’ control of Congress away and all legislative progress came to a screeching halt. Instead, we debate austerity and whether we can even keep the government open and pay our bills on time.
Conservative Democrats may have vetoed valuable amendments or prevented them from even being seriously discussed, and they may have introduced garbage into the legislative process that did substantive and political damage to the Democratic Party and the left. Some of them may have lent aid and comfort to the Republicans’ most outrageous and cynical gambits. But what determined whether progress was made was which party controlled Congress.
It’s a second order of concern how that majority party is organized. It certainly mattered that Max Baucus had a huge role to play in crafting the Affordable Care Act. It mattered that Joe Lieberman had enough power to effectively rule out an expansion of Medicare. It mattered that a budget hawk like Kent Conrad was chairing the Budget Committee and that there were a lot of Democrats in Congress too reticent about offending Wall Street to enact the strongest possible post-Great Recession reforms. From a progressive point of view, getting better Democrats and getting them into the right places to exert meaningful power are key goals. Every bad Democrat is a potential bottleneck or worse.
But getting better Democrats is still the second order of concern, and it’s dwarfed by the first.
If you need a little more evidence for this, take a look at a guy like J. Lister Hill. When he retired as an Alabama senator in 1969, he had been in Congress for forty-five years and in the Senate for thirty. Yes, he signed the Southern Manifesto, but he was also strongly supported by Labor. He was a key backer of the Tennessee Valley Authority who was responsible for great achievements in rural electrification, backed federal control of offshore drilling, and was a champion of the physically and mentally disabled. Much of this, he was able to accomplish as the longtime chairman of the Senate Labor and Public Welfare Committee. Like most Southern Democrats of his time, he almost never faced serious Republican opposition and so rose in seniority. When LBJ passed his Great Society legislation, Congress was littered with southern (often pro-segregation) chairmen. What mattered more was that the 89th Congress had 67-68 Democrats and 32-33 Republicans in its Senate and began with a 295-140 Democratic majority in the House.
If you want to know how this worked in practice, the U.S. Senate site has an oral history provided by Stewart E. McClure, who served as Chief Clerk of Sen. Lister Hill’s Committee on Labor, Education, and Public Welfare. He explains the “avalanche of domestic legislation that the committee handled during the Great Society and offers candid assessments of the internal politics and stresses of committee life during those years.”
Lister Hill was a populist, and liberal for his time and place, but he was still officially a segregationist Democrat. And, yet, he was an important supporter of The New Deal and a key architect of the Great Society, just as Max Baucus was a very corporate and centrist Democrat who was a key architect of Obamacare.
We need idealists and pragmatists, and some battles require the long view. The problem only arises when one group begins to see the other as the primary problem rather than respecting the key role that each respectively plays in achieving progress.
If Hillary Clinton is going to accomplish anything legislatively in office, she’ll do much better with a Congress like Obama enjoyed in his first two years than the ones he’s been grappling with during the last six.
So, yes, winning the Senate takes precedence over purity. Sanders admits as much, in his own way, but then he can only take that so far and keep his credibility as a progressive champion.
With Grayson/Murphy we don’t know which will be nominated yet so it makes sense for Sanders to delay support. With the rest it looks like he’s picking the ones that conventional wisdom has as close. Bayh, Duckworth, and Feingold (how did you forget Feingold?) probably don’t need any help.
Conventional wisdom does seem wrong with Strickland (who is well behind) and Ross (who is pretty close). The DNC is apparently holding off on buys for Strickland, which I think is a mistake, in which case Bernie’s support may turn out to be particularly valuable.
He endorsed Feingold long ago. He’s raised money for him above all others.
This should be required reading for progressives.
So should this;
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Re: The Last Brick in Bush’s Hispanic Outreach (4.00 / 5)
Okay, Steggles, just for you, I’ll share some back of the envelope research I’ve been doing on how winning the Senate might work out for a progressive agenda.
Below, I’m going to show you who will be the likely chairman of the various Senate committees, and even give you a couple of different scenarios.
Agriculture (also Food Stamps): Debbie Stabenow, unless Sanders opts to chair HELP instead of Budget. Then Sherrod Brown will chair Agriculture.
Appropriations: Patty Murry, unless Leahy decides he doesn’t want to stay on at Judiciary.
Banking: Sherrod Brown, unless Stabenow takes Budget and he opts for Agriculture, then Jon Tester chairs Banking.
Budget: Bernie Sanders, unless he’d rather chair HELP. Then Stabenow.
Commerce: Bill Nelson
Energy: Maria Cantwell
Environment: Tom Carper unless he wants to stay at Homeland Security. Then Sheldon Whitehouse.
Finance: Ron Wyden
Foreign Affairs: Ben Cardin
HELP: It’s Bernie’s if he wants it, otherwise it’s Bob Casey’s.
Homeland Sec: Tom Carper unless he wants Environment, then it’s Claire McCaskill’s.
Judiciary: Patrick Leahy unless he wants Appropriations, then Feinstein or Durbin.
Rules: Probably Feinstein or Durbin
Small Business: Jeanne Shaheen
Veteran’s Affairs: Richard Blumenthal
Indian Affairs: Jon Tester, unless he gets Banking. Then Tom Udall.
Ethics: Chris Coons
Intelligence: probably Mark Warner, but maybe Feinstein will chair again.
Aging: Claire McCaskill unless she gets Homeland, then Casey or Whitehouse of Gillibrand.
Yes, I know, a lot of scenarios that more or less good for progressives. Probably would rather have Sherrod at Banking than Tester and Sanders has a hard choice between chairing a Budget Committee that produces non-binding priorities and chairing the committee overseeing health, labor and education.
I can go more granular than this even, Mazie Hirono stands to oversee our Navy and Gillibrand our military personnel. Udall will probably handle appropriations for the EPA and Interior Depts, and Chris Murphy our diplomatic corps. Jack Reed will appropriate for Depts. of Education, Labor and H&HS.
Cory Booker will probably get a subchair on Commerce overseeing our Coast Guard and coastal waters.
If we were to win the House, you’d be truly amazed at the progressives standing to write our legislation.
You’d see John Yarmuth chairing Budget, Bobby Scott on Education, Frank Pallone on Energy and Commerce (including Gene Green on Health), Maxine Waters on Finance, Conyers back at Judiciary, Raúl M. Grijalva on Natural Resources, Eddie Bernice Johnson on Science, Nydia M. Velázquez on Small Business, and Bike-Caucus chair Peter A. DeFazio on Transportation.
These are the people who are empowered when Clinton wins the votes of enough Republicans to coattail the Dems back into congressional power.
If you think it will change the Democratic Party, you’re right. It will lead to the most progressive Congress in history.
“The obvious was hidden. With nothing to believe in, the compass always points to Terrapin.” -Robert Hunter
by BooMan on Wed Aug 17th, 2016 at 04:07:43 PM EST
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Duckworth probably doesn’t need his help and his endorsement would probably hurt instead of help.
It’s also possible that her old association with Rahm Emanuel is a factor, although she has been keeping him at arm’s length since he became Mayor. That was a really dirty campaign with Rahm threatening potential Cegelis donors with retaliation if they donated. I was a campaign worker for Cegelis so I know whereof I speak.
I have met Duckworth at campaign nights since then and she’s a pretty cold fish. However, she seems to follow through on what she says, supports the postal unions and other government employees, and says she will vote against TPP. I’m much more comfortable with her as my Senator than I am with Durbin and certainly the serpentine Kirk. So far, she’s the only candidate that I’m voting for in Fall.
If Grayson wins the primary, will you loudly support him? Raise money on his behalf, encourage people to vote for him?
No.
But not because the seat isn’t important.
I won’t support him because he isn’t fit to serve in Congress.
Call it moral turpitude.
I can look the other way on policy differences and even misplaced political imperatives, but not on basic moral fitness.
I would no more support Grayson than I’d support James Trafficant or William “Freezer Cash” Jefferson or Anthony Weiner.
I won’t support him because he isn’t fit to serve in Congress.
And Murphy is?
As far as I can tell, he’s fit to serve on Congress.
I’ve never met him, and maybe that would change my mind, but my issues with Murphy are on policy, not on moral character.
You don’t think moral character informs policy? The author of the the Payday Loan bill (Mr. Murphy) promoted it because he felt on balance it was for the good of his constituents to be charged 250+% interest.
He could be the moral exemplar for that Epipen lady, imo. Caveat emptor rules when TINA.
You get all judge-y and heated over personal junk that does not affect constituents one iota, but wave away deprivation and suffering that bad policies inflict if Dems(or quasi-Dems) do it.
LBJ and Lady Bird would have been quite a struggle for you.
So, your position is that I should be pro-Grayson despite everything.
And that I should judge people who vote the wrong way as morally unfit for office.
But I already knew that you reason like this.
It’s why I don’t take you seriously.
How WOULD you handle LBJ, who put Clinton to shame, btw, and treated Lady Bird worse than a dog?
Would you forego all his excellent domestic legislation to maintain your moral purity?
I am not voting for a husband, I am voting for a legislator. I am considering their public integrity, not their private demons.
Are you equating Grayson’s plethora of moral failings to being a bad husband?
Is that your position?
It might make more sense if you thought LBJ’s little Southeast Asian Adventure was reason to back McCarthy.
If I were a Florida voter, I’d pass on Murphy and make the DNC run a better candidate next time. As long as they make us believe that TINA, they will continue to find conservadems that are ever-ready to spike good legislation. You DO NOT NEED a conservadem to win in Florida.
If you can claim…”I won’t support him because he isn’t fit to serve in Congress.” for your reasons, I can claim the same for mine.
I hear you, but the party needs a win.
ANY win.
We have won 4 statewide races in 14 years below the Presidency.
We lost every statewide race in 2010 and 2014.
Er, how long has Debbie been suggesting your candidates?
I don’t even give half a shit what you do or why you do it.
But equating Grayson’s behavior with being a bad husband makes you so morally bankrupt that I’m no longer interested in responding to you.
This really makes no sense. Florida voters should pass on six years of representation in the Senate to prove a point to the DNC?
Well, LBJ’s military policies were awful. They abused, and finally lost, the public trust, and tainted and undermined the Great Society programs. For all the hot talk here about the Clintons’ service to the MIC, LBJ’s warhawkishness also put Clinton to shame.
The White House tapes reveal that Lyndon knew that the military justification for the vast escalation of the Vietnam war was factually doubtful, and knew early on that the war was not “winnable”. He knew he was dooming the nation to be committed to a deadly quagmire, and chose to do it anyway from what he saw as a set of bad military, strategical and electoral options. That seems exceedingly immoral.
It’s…interesting that you choose to gaze away from Johnson’s poor “public integrity” while making broad claims about the Clintons in the same policy area.
Yes, what would your decision be? Since Booman has dodged the question twice.
LBJ never serves? The war is a heavier lift for me than his private behavior, of course. Korea should have informed him and his generals, but it did not. Hubris.
I have mixed feelings for Lady Bird, whom I had the pleasure of meeting long ago. But she would be the last person to put herself before the benefits that her husband’s domestic laws brought to the public.
BooMan didn’t dodge your question. He took it head on.
I’ll repeat: LBJ is captured on audiotape in 1965 and 1966 expressing his personal view that the Vietnam War was a folly. He fed Americans and Asians into the slaughter nonetheless.
You rake Hillary over the coals 24/7 for much, much, much less.
So you think it would be better if he had never been president.
He was morally unfit to serve.
You’re playing “gotcha”. In reality, LBJ, Hillary Clinton, Alan Grayson, Bernie Sanders, you, and I are/were all complicated, fallible human beings. We haven’t always been consistent. We’ve all made errors. We’ve all suffered from ethical lapses.
It’s the exactly same reason some people won’t vote vote for Bayh or even (though I think they judge wrongly) Clinton. They think they aren’t fit to serve. They judge ‘moral fitness’ not by dick picks or divorces, but exactly by ‘policy difference’ and ‘political imperatives.’
If the most important thing for the country and the progressive agenda is Democratic control of the Senate, then refusing to get your hands dirty by voting for Grayson or Jefferson or Weiner is a parody of purity idealism. Telling someone to my left that they must vote for Clinton but I cannot vote for Grayson is hypocritical.
Moral turpitude?
Then how the Hell can you support Hillary Clinton?
While spitting on Christine Cegelis?
If this is progressivism, then I’ve wasted sixteen years of my life supporting it.
Probably not. But if he wins the primary I’ll bet he stops saying bad things about him until after the election. There is a difference between active opposition and ignoring an untenable situation. In Martin’s eyes, neither Rubio nor Grayson would be worse as a senator. Grayson has the advantage that he would tilt the senate to the Dems. Rubio would have the advantage that he isn’t a Dem and his mendacity does not reflect poorly on other Dems.
No sane person who legitimately calls themselves progressive or liberal could possibly believe that Trump would better in any way, shape or form than Hillary as President. Alternatively, it is quite possible to believe that the results of either presidency would be equally bad. In this case, you SHUT THE FUCK UP because you got no dog in the fight and anything you say against one helps the other.
It’s called being smart enough to realize that you sometimes can’t make a situation better.
“SHUT THE FUCK UP”
That’s Hillary Clinton in a nutshell.
Not happening.
Grayson blew up his campaign – even the Florida Progressives didn’t endorse him.
Murphy is a terrible candidate too, though.
Is it possible for Florida Democrats or progressive Democrats to put a pressure box around Murphy that gets him to do the right thing after he is in office? Or is Murphy too headstrung and compromised to respond to public and internal party pressure?
Moar mini-Manchins?
Why is it impossible to get a good Dem in FLORIDA?
Florida Democrat wins statewide since 2000
2000
Gore (well)
Sen. Nelson (the last competitive race Democrats have won
2006
Sen. Nelson. Against Kathleen Harris
Alex Cink Chief Financial Officer
2008
Obama
2010
None. Zero. Zilch.
2012
Obama
Nelson
2014
None. zero. zilch.
An amazing record of failure.
Which means the answer is no.
Or maybe the answer is unknown because a reasonably attractive, articulate, and experienced progressive Democratic candidate hasn’t been nominated to run for a statewide office in FL.
Expecting a Democrat that has made it through the Democratic Party gantlet to suddenly unleash an inner progressive after winning a general election is a fool’s errand.
I have no earthly idea what the solution is. I thought Castor in 2004 was a decent candidate.
It is an article of faith even at the House level that you can’t be a progressive in Florida and win.
This goes all the way to candidates running for the State Senate.
If there were a simple solution, it would have been found long ago. What’s lacking for progressives is a sustainable “think-tank” to first identify the 5,000 or so solutions and then seed the organization/operation to succeed in a decent number in each electoral cycle and then build on the each of those successes (along with seeding a decent number of new ones) in the next election cycle. Don’t rinse (except for prior “oops”) and do repeat.
What was great about Sanders’ campaign was the timeliness of it and his ability to consistently articulate a clear message. Timely not so much as a consequence of attention on income/wealth inequality, although that was helpful, but timely because of the absence of competition to the elite selection of HRC. Would have been much easier for the media (and therefore, voters) to ignore Sanders if he’d been one of the many in the ’08 primary. The MSM did as much as could be expected of it in dismissing a leftish candidate that developed a large following and raised large amounts of money among small donors. Bernie put important issues on the national political table, but keeping them on it won’t be easy unless there are authentic existing and future politicians to pick up the baton.
The analytical point is who, where, what, and when. And not be afraid to demonstrate novelty and creativity in getting there. For example, Zephyr Teachout didn’t have chance in the NY gubernatorial primary election, but she was impressive as a candidate and garnered a lot of attention from lefties. Thus, she moved into the NY CD primary with a name and money to challenge a GOP open seat.
The same strategy was employed in PA by Dem party elites with McGinty losing a gubernatorial primary race to set her up for a 2016 Senate race. If she wins, a Senate seat is inherently more high profile than a House seat, but if Teachout wins, I expect more people will hear more from her than they do McGinty.
If Canova is in for the long haul, challenging DWS in this election cycle could be helpful for him in running for another office in the future or even running to replace DWS if she moves up to a HRC administration position. He’s an okay candidate, not at Teachout’s level, and would probably be a good enough legislator.
There’s a lot to be said for starting lower on the political ladder (if one is also young). Get in, do a good job, and then move up as opportunities present themselves, and they don’t for all politicians with the right stuff. An example of what was –Barbara Boxer won a county supervisor seat in 1976, served for six years, in ’82 went for the open CD seat, and then in ’92 an open Senate seat. That same political trajectory wouldn’t have been different if she’d won her first supervisor race in ’72 because those CD and Senate seats weren’t open until she did run. However, if she had won and then moved up within the same time period (six and then ten years), she could have become the first qualified woman presidential candidate.
One caveat — and I have no idea if this applies in the example I’m going to use — progressives should be careful not to step on perfectly good toes — Teachout’s CD primary opponent may have been good enough and able to win the general election. IOW, use the best talent where it’s most needed or most valuable.
The problem is we don’t win anywhere.
Crist and Cink were from I-4, and couldn’t get the margins in Broward and Dade to win.
The best candidates should be from South Florida. But we aren’t generating them. We can win statewide in presidential years because the south florida problems solves itself.
The problem in the Party is in South Florida.
But then it is easy for a Tampa guy to say that.
I was speaking generically and not specifically about FL, and everything I said is immensely more challenging (impossible?) in southern states where the institutional Democratic Party is strong while remaining in the minority at all levels of elected office. Don’t know Cink, but since when is Crist a progressive?
I’m thinking of places where the need for progressives not to be bound to the Democratic Party is more a mindset than a reality. For example, Bernie may never have been elected to any office if he had been a Democrat. Or may have been knocked off that ladder at some point by the Democratic Party.
That’s not an option in most political subdivisions, but it is an option for many non-partisan offices. Establishing name ID and an authentic progressive record in office and public support should take priority for both self-identified progressive politicians and voters than party identification. DEM, IND, or GRN has to be secondary and recognition has to be given to the baggage that both the DEM and GRN parties have when making a run for a higher level office, and therefore, situations, and not the candidate and voters, define the optimal affiliation for any run for office. For example, any self-identified progressive-Democrat that rejected Bernie because he’s not a “real Democrat” isn’t a real progressive.
And don’t squander hard fought but narrow losses. An example Matt Gonzalez
In a city dominated by a Democratic Party machine, that’s a phenomenal result. Absorb all the available lessons to be learned and prepare for the next race. It accomplishes nothing to run once and give up after one loss.
Check it out — Maine Senate District 14. Unlike VT, ME is not the place for a progressive to run as an IND. Bellows is stuck running as a Democrat, but with her assets and experience, this may be a winner for her against these two old conservatives.
WJC elevated “pragmatism” to some sort of article of faith for Democrats. Every bit of legislation he supported was sold as “pragmatic.” Romneycare — hatched in a rightwing think-tank — that was turned into the PPACA was also sold as pragmatic. (Can’t afford insulin or an Epipen? Tough.) And the outsourcing (privatization), offshoring, and increasing income/wealth inequality has continued without pause.
Pragmatic — getting what can be got in the moment — legislation is not automatically a good first and progressive step that can be built upon. It was true with the New Deal legislation (from FDR through LBJ and arguably Nixon), but hasn’t been true since then. Fifty years on from Medicare/Medicaid which was intended as a giant step towards national health insurance, only one small step for those in some states has been achieved and that achievement is more fragile than looking as if it’s going to lead to a fuller step.
To liken those prior southern, New Deal Democratic politicians to today’s DINOs/DLCers is ahistorical. DINOs/DLCers are with the “banksters,” the enemy of those old racist southern Democrats (at least until Strom led the split).
When the 1974 Watergate Baby wave hit Congress, their first order of business was to change the seniority rules so they could kick all the Southern fossils out of the Committee chairs. This made total sense from a civil rights and progressive point of view, but it actually wound up leading to the transition from populism to banksterism that you’re decrying now.
In other words, things are complicated. Progress in one area can cause backsliding in another.
But what’s not intelligent is to just plod forward based on some sanctimonious belief that you don’t need the wrong kind of allies, and that it’s better to purify the party than it is to empower the progressives already within it.
A right-wing think tank?
You mean this one?
Is that the right-wing think tank that wrote RomneyCare for Sen. Chafee (the father) so he could pretend to have an alternative to HillaryCare that covered people even as Bill Kristol delayed coverage for seventeen years and cost us innumerable lives?
Was the solution to not even being able to get Moynihan to take up her bill to call for it again and with more feeling?
Was S-CHIP really so bad of a fallback pragmatic option?
You’re so uncharitable and ahistorical in your critiques that it invalidates even your good points.
Maybe someday you’ll realize that ObamaCare called their bluff.
In the first two years of Bill Clinton’s Presidency, he and Congress pursued tax hikes on the rich and a weapons ban and succeeded, and pursued health care reform policies which were more liberal in whole than the ACA and failed. Of course, there was much more done and attempted in those two years. Overall, it was a very liberal set of policies, the most liberal in decades.
The electorate responded to that by taking away Congressional control from President Clinton’s Party. Americans ousted the Speaker of the House and thoroughly repudiated the President and Democrats at the polls.
There is a desire on your part to disappear these years, to pretend that the 1994 midterm election meant nothing, electorally or legislatively. You make the same attempt to get us to ignore the 2010 midterms and the reasons why voters repudiated President Obama and the Democrats in that election.
This refusal to deal with these real outcomes in the wake of the least pragmatic, most liberal portions of their Presidencies is problematic. Instead, we are left with your constant desires to demonize Clinton and Obama, which fails as a fair reading of their full records.
If, for example, as you claim over and over and over that Bill were truly Republicans doing Republicans’ bidding, how did the Republicans successfully label them and their first Congressional Caucuses as radical leftists?
Thomas Frank Syndrome. It affects a not insignificant portion of the Left.
WRT to Clinton and Healthcare, I think there is more complexity here. Certainly HCR in the ’94 iteration was to the left of Obamacare.
Romneycare became Democratic Policy after WFC got beat.
You can probably argue that the political assumption behind WJC and Health Care was wrong, and that assumption ties both WJC and Obama’s HCR. Each was based on some notion of a reasonably opposition that would support the Bill, and would break the filibuster.
Haynes Johnson, in his excellent book on the failure of HCR, documents the rise of the obstructionist right, and I don’t think even Obama really digested what it meant.
No, to the GOP, meant No. There was no middle ground win GOP support. At one point in ’94 it looked like Dole was going to accept a compromise, and Baucus chased GOP votes for months in ’09. In neither case did GOP support materialize.
In my own opinion, chasing GOP support meant crafting VERY complicated and hard to explain programs. Much of this complexity was a nod to some sort of preservation of the marketplace. Whatever the policy merits of this, the result was policy that was difficult to explain, and easy to attack by citing some unintended consequence.
This takes us to Education, where in this cycle Clinton’s plan was basically unexplainable.
Part of chasing moderate support has required creation of pretzel policy.
Which has been really bad politics IMHO.
How are “pure” and “purity” helpful terms in any way for this discussion? I’ve only seen them used as insults in blog discussions , although in religious terms they are central (William James). I am a pragmatic Sanders supporter, but don’t take kindly to my positions and decisions treated reductively as “purity”. how about a nuanced discussion of what it means to be a person of conscience to encourage constructive dialog?
Purity is used in two related senses in this piece.
In one, a losing primary challenger refused to endorse the winner over arch-abortion opponent and Clinton impeachment manager Harry Hyde’s Republican replacement because Duckworth had backtracked on universal health care and wasn’t hard-ass enough on free trade.
That’s purity.
In the second, it’s about the distinction between the legitimate work of idealists who focus on, say, winning primaries for progressives, and pragmatists who focus more on getting the power they need to do something.
And then I discuss how both groups are needed and both are deluded when they take themselves too seriously or demonize the other side.
As for me, I’m critiquing purists for their lack of understanding, not for their well-meaningingness. I could just as well ask the hippie-punchers how they’d fare without the passion and idealism and moral compass of the idealists.
Bullshit! She wasn’t endorsed because Rahm Emanuel refused to accept any local grassroots candidates! And ran a campaign that was dirty by even Illinois standards.
Were you there? I didn’t see you.
Since you have become a Clinton puppet I suppose you now support Emanuel. Is that why you are slandering Cegelis?
I was there (in spirit) and I remember:
Thus came The Coalition.
It’s the coalition that you say doesn’t like white people.
It’s my vision of the future of governing progressivism.
It doesn’t have time for hurt fee-fees.
If you want to know why I voted for Sanders, it’s primarily because I don’t trust Clinton on hawkishness and peace. That piece does not fit.
But she’s got The Coalition, and that’s the only pony in town at the moment.
Aside from the Sanders vote, I agree entirely. Political power in the United States is always controlled by a coalition. Once established coalitions hold for a long time. They are the majority. They have the votes.
I was born when America was ruled by the Roosevelt coalition even though a Republican was about to win the White House. It was in the middle of what was a steady progressive march from 1932 to 1968. The Roosevelt coalition gave way to a new majority, the Reagan coalition. This began a seemingly interminable period of wrongheadedness that took the country further and further, step by step, to the right. Bill Clinton was like Eisenhower, swimming against the tide, the majority.
Obama’s coalition smashed aside the Reagan coalition. America has a new majority. My earliest objection to Sanders was that he proposed a new coalition when the left already had its first winning coalition in 50 years! That coalition was going to choose the Democratic nominee – they settled on Clinton very quickly – and that coalition was going to win the election again. As long as the left gets out the vote, they will win.
This means the next three decades will be happy ones for the left and unhappy ones for the right. The courts will rule very differently. Things won’t happen fast enough for many because progress will only go as fast as the coalition can push it through and no faster. Sometimes compromises will even have to be made within the coalition.
But we have the Obama coalition. Don’t fuck it up. Get out the vote. Win elections. Organize the coalition down the ticket and for local and state elections. When in government solve problems one at a time. Rinse and repeat.
The coalition is everything. It is what is going to carry the left for the next 30 years at least. Our first loyalty cannot be to any individual candidate or policy. Our first loyalty must be to the Obama coalition. Don’t like Clinton? The coalition picked her, so suck it up and do everything you can to get her elected. The coalition is everything.
I was there IN PERSON! “Boots on the ground” and “door to door” AND in the campaign meetings.
I’ve only seen purity used against a person- i.e. I’ve never seen anyone say, i won’t support so-and-so because of purity/ I’m pure. i.e. it’s a reductive kind of insult.
I agree with Fladem’s comment just downthread – there are two issues, one -it’s about getting things done – your point/ or, two – about building a visible progressive movement – what Sanders supporters want [regardless of what Sanders himself does]. they are not identical projects. I’m not sure one can extrapolate from the previous period – because the problems are now different and those not identifying with the 1% or .01% cross party lines. Things are different now because of more globalization – less national sovereignty because of clout of transnational corporations and the grey area of non-nationally accountable entities- puts a different everything in a different light. So which is the greater emergency? – perhaps gaining some visibility for the issues hurting the 99% is the greater emergency.
many people view the Clinton campaign vs Trump campaign as a couple of billionaires battling it out; perhaps putting major energy into electing one or two progressives is a better start on the overall project?
Not everything is about parliamentary politics.
Bernie needs allies who will make an aggressive progressive case. We desperately need to raise the profile of liberal ideas.
Many of these ideas have largely remained invisible. During Clinton’s two terms, there was no distinction in the public’s mind between liberal ideas and Clinton’s ideas.
And that is what I think he is about. It is the DNC’s job to get a majority. Bernie needs to build a bench of progressives at every level who will let you know there is another set of ideas.
One thing 2016 showed is that some progressive positions have real appeal. No one is going to ever hear about them, though, unless there are solid advocates. If Bernie doesn’t run, you don’t get free college tuition on the agenda.
Bernie wants to prove progressive politics, a politics that isn’t funded by corporations, a progressive politics that doesn’t apologize or present wonk based rube goldberg contraptions can win.
Proving that type of politics can win is what Bernie is doing.
That is what is necessary to get real change.
The DNC can worry about Patrick Murphy.
During Clinton’s two terms, there was no distinction in the public’s mind between liberal ideas and Clinton’s ideas.
It was actually worse than that. The public mind didn’t recognize that “Clinton’s ideas” aligned with “GOP ideas” and there was little support among Democratic legislators for those “ideas.” Case in point — Gramm-Leach-Bliley. Only one Democratic Senator voted for that POS; although it was likely a free Nay vote for many of them that would allow them the speak out of both sides of their mouths should the public ever wise up to what a disaster it would become. Unwinding it is on the order of Mission Impossible.
This is why the parliamentary argument is so pernicious. It essentially leaves liberals voiceless.
The Democratic Party is a big party in a two party system. That means you really only get to choose between Democratic or Republican control of congress. But to remain a big party, the Democratic party also needs to appeal to a wide range of people. Let Sanders support his preferred range of candidates and let others support the others.
At the end of the day all big parties are coalitions containing many different strands in constant negotiation and competition with each other. No one ever gets 100% of what they want, but you also need to ensure that everyone gets enough to hold the coalition together. That is what astute party management is about.
A lot of centrists/moderates are probably reassured that Hillary evokes so much scorn among progressives, and so are less worried about voting her into office. The danger is that a Dem President with GOP Congress results in further gridlock and disillusion for all. Then only the small government hard conservatives and libertarians will be laughing, as they have been doing for quite some time.
It’s not a symmetric game. Progressives only win big if they can win the Presidency, House and Senate and then some to overcome the filibuster and blue dog triangulators, not to mention SCOTUS, big doners, lobbyists and the military industrial complex. Most of the time, some small wins is as good as it gets – that and the hope of building for a better tomorrow.
A Sanders endorsement might not be a helpful endorsement in some states. Then the opponent runs against Sanders. I think North Carolina is one of those states.
Deborah Ross is a former executive director of the NC ACLU. She has done good work in the legislature and is an advocate for public transit. I don’t think the failure to endorse her was a matter of being too ideologically rigid on Sanders’s part.
Winning the Senate is the necessary but not sufficient objective. For Sanders, helping do this will justify reciprocation by naming him chair of the Budget Committee. That would put progressives in institutional power.
Defeating Burr is necessary to straightening out oversight of US intelligence agencies and holding accountability for the practice of torture during the Bush administration. Electing Deborah Ross defeats Burr regardless of which committee assignments she gets (Judiciary and Armed Services would be two good ones). And so on down the list. Electing Judge defeats Grassley, and takes down another Committee Chair. Who is next in line for Grassley’s Committee–Patrick Leahy again; tell me that is not a progressive move.
The problem with some lefties is that they don’t understand how legislative strategy depends on the personnel on particular committees.
If Bernie wants to do some rearranging, a good move would be to advocate for Patty Murray for majority leader if Bernie succeeds in upping the number of captured Senate seats. Yes, that and Jim Clyburn as Speaker of the House, if Democrats win the House are my two current hobby horses. Those circulating in the background communication a shift from business as usual and might motivate turnout, which could clinch the needed victories. But that sort of pragmatism is not as popular as business as usual pragmatism.
The pragmatic thing to do right now if local people can motivate voters to do it is defeat the Speaker of the House and the current chairs in the Senate and the House (well those who are running in the Senate). That would move all of those committees to more progressive chairs and the new Senators would be at the back of the seniority system.
Those Senators on the list: Burr (Intelligence), McCain (Armed Services), Grassley (Judiciary), Johnny Isakson (Veterans Affairs), Lisa Murkowski (Energy), Roy Blunt (Rules).
The other pragmatic thing to do is rid the 1-termers who came in in 2010. Those are some of the easiest to take back.
Those two things go a long way to making the Senate functional again.
Those two things go a long way to making the Senate functional again.
Oh, it’s always functional. The question is functional to do what?
Would 60 Yea votes made up of most Democratic Senators and a few Republicans make the TPP progressive and something Democratic voters should support? Or should progressives shun a 41 Nay vote combination of progressive Democratic Senators and kneejerk Tea Party Republicans?
Was it a good or a bad thing that Republicans refused to entertain a vote to authorize US military action in Libya?
Authentic pragmatism is looking beyond political party affiliation to get the necessary votes to do the right thing. As LBJ had to do with the 1964 Civil Rights Act where overwhelming support was necessary for acceptance for the public at large (same reason why the decision in Brown v. Bd of Ed was put on hold until a unanimous decision could be reached).
Just to add, your discussion is nuanced, just certain parameters i want to point out – can comment more later
If we could run the clock backwards to 1964, turn southern Republicans back into Dixiecrats, and also turn liberal Republicans-turned-Democrat (in the northeast and the Pacific Northwest, for example) back into Republicans, what would the partisan makeup of Congress be?