I’m a bit wary of wading into the racially-charged waters surrounding use of the “n-word” and the term “Uncle Tom.” Part of me feels like it’s a topic I should just stay away from. I’ve watched comedians like Chris Rock try to argue that there are real actual niggers and then there are black people. I’ve watched white suburban kids answer their phones with “What’s up, my nigger?” and explain to me that their generation doesn’t think the term is racist. I’ve listened to stupid white people complain about the fact that black people use the term all the time, so why can’t they use it? I remember when former Klansman Sen. Robert Byrd talked about white niggers.
I don’t use the n-word. I don’t use it as an insult. I don’t use it ironically. It’s a word that won’t pass my lips. But, I don’t feel the same way about the term Uncle Tom. I am a bit surprised to read just how viscerally Jonathan Capehart reacts to hearing “Uncle Tom.” I respect his opinion and it’s made me think.
But I think it’s a term that actually means something. I don’t know what the n-word is supposed to mean aside from a general putdown. When Chris Rock uses it, he’s talking about blacks that fit the worst stereotypes about blacks. When Donald Sterling uses it, he’s talking about any and all black people. But I know exactly what Uncle Tom means. It means a black person who betrays other blacks in service of his white masters. And, if you ask black people if they think Justice Clarence Thomas fits that description, you’ll discover that most of them think that he does.
There’s an argument that it is undignified to throw such a charged insult at a member of the Supreme Court, particularly if you are a congressman. That’s basically an argument for civility. I think there’s less of an argument for the idea that Justice Thomas should be allowed to have political differences from the vast majority of blacks without his loyalty to his race coming into question. Yes, there has to be room for divergent political positions within the black community, but there are certain lines that cannot be crossed. Voting to gut the Voting Rights Act of 1965 is most definitely across that line. And that’s not a stand alone vote. Some have said that it seems like Clarence Thomas exists to nullify everything that Justice Thurgood Marshall accomplished in his life.
So, really, it comes down to whether or not you think Uncle Tom is just too vicious of a term to use in polite society. Capehart thinks it is. I wonder how many people agree with him. I’m willing to listen.
“Uncle Tom” is too vicious of a term to use in polite society, but polite society is something that I don’t feel obligated to be a part of.
I would like it if people used insulting language towards Clarence “Uncle” Thomas that gets under his skin. Unlike some people who use outrageous language, I’m not going to pretend that I don’t know what buttons I am pushing. I am going to freely admit that I am trying to manipulate emotions.
The argument for me to stop using “Uncle Tom” is that I am creative enough to come up with something that draws a much more visceral reaction.
Even if you don’t want to belong to it, do you feel like there should be a polite society? And should politicians belong to it?
I believe there should be a polite society, but I do not believe in monoculture, so I believe there should be something outside that. Some politicians should belong to polite society, some should belong to impolite society, and some should attempt to straddle the two.
Everybody should conform to polite society when they’re in polite society. And by the way, it is perfectly possible to be critical and even cutting in polite society, if you know how to do it.
But hell, this is the Booman Tribune (LoL).
I want to respond to this in depth without coming across like I’m suffering from Tourette Syndrome, but I can’t. Short answer, if there is anyone on the planet who fits the epithet then it is Clarence Thomas. Would it be more fitting to call him Benedict Arnold? Quisling? Judas? Uncle Tom (despite identifying the wrong character from the novel) is right and proper in identifying the traits of Uncle Thomas.
Oh, man. I was hoping for the Tourette’s version…
I was in Memphis a couple weekends ago for our wedding anniversary and we went to the National Civil Rights Museum. That visit was not good for my mental well being…
“It means a black person who betrays other blacks in service of his white masters.”
I guess I feel that calling him an Uncle Tom misses the bigger picture. I don’t think he betrays other blacks in service to his white masters; I think he betrays basic human decency in service to a malignant ideology.
His decisions don’t just hurt blacks, they hurt all of us.
Yeah, but that’s equally true of Alito and Scalia.
Well, exactly.
I don’t use that term. I also don’t feel at all moved to intervene in or opine about racial discussions among black people. In that circumstance, my opinion counts for diddly.
As a Black Person, it has not been my experience that Black people do not throw around terms like
Uncle Tom
Sambo
Slave Catching Coon
Unless said Black person has proven themselves over the years to be a:
Uncle Tom
Sambo
Slave Catching Coon
Unca Clarence Thomas fits in this category.
There are fundamental things that most Black people believe.
There, of course, can be a few variations, here and there, but the fundamentals are the fundamentals. Despite income level, despite education level, there are things we believe.
When you have a man on the Supreme Court, no less, that votes against everything that the Black Community supports..
YOU ARE A FUCKING UNCLE TOM SLAVE CATCHING SAMBO.
That’s what Clarence Thomas is.
And, Jonathan Capehart can unclutch his pearls.
We have now, despite all the proof that we had BEFORE Clarence Thomas was put on the Supreme Court, that he was nothing but a bootlicking, ass kissing Uncle Tom..
we have EVERY OPINION that he’s put his vote behind since joining the Supreme Court.
Capehart can’t put together a list of FIVE opinions that the general Black community would say:
I agree with Clarence Thomas.
NOT FUCKING FIVE.
I have often written that the one story that told me everything I EVER needed to know about Clarence Thomas was when I heard that his Black Bootlicking Ass went before a bunch of his White Masters and denigrated his sister for going on welfare – NOT EXPLAINING WHY she was on welfare. [ she was on welfare because she was taking care of an elderly family member. After all, Clarence couldn’t be bothered to help with said family member – he was too busy kissing White folks ass]
So, there he was, holding his sister up as some object of scorn for those White Muthafucking Racists, knowing damn well WHY his sister was on welfare.
That’s all I EVER needed to know about Clarence Thomas and the lack of content of his character. Everything since then has just confirmed it.
Don’t wanna be known as an Uncle Tom?
Then don’t fucking act like one.
It really IS that simple.
Best Magazine covers EVER with Clarence Thomas:
http://archives.jrn.columbia.edu/nyrm/2001/features/images/auntclarence.jpg
https://howard53545.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/cartoon.jpg
I can only try to imagine the reaction on the right if Bennie Thompson called Clarence Thomas a “slave-catching coon.”
forgot to add:
Black people know that Unca Clarence is coming from a strong position of self-hate.
And though sad, and pitiful, Black folks usually don’t give a shyt if you are full of self-hate.
The reason why Unca Clarence gathers such ire is because he uses that position from the Supreme Court to punish the rest of Black folk for HIS self-hate.
And here’s another reason I don’t bother to get in the middle of these fights–if I wait, Rikyrah will come along with a better (and more entertaining) take than I could ever come up with.
What the lady sez!
Yes, that was my exact thought, also. I knew she would say exactly what I would WISH I could say, but her credibility on this is so much higher than mine would ever be, that I thought it better to just keep silent for a while.
It would be the grossest insult possible not to call Justice Thomas what he has put in so much effort to attain. It would be like stealing his labor not to accord him the honor. Uncle Tom he is.
What rikyrah said.
As for whites like me there are two reasons I simply stay away from these terms and even others I hear among African Americans.
I didn’t pay the dues.
I can’t do that poetry (like rikyrah’s).
If I need to write about Clarence Thomas, the English language is a treasure chest of riches for such a purpose. Meanwhile, I am also not going to underestimate Thomas’s intelligence.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/02/24/3321531/clarence-thomas-americas-legal-minds-progressive
s-ignore-fact-peril/
One problem is that a lot of these kinds of complaints are made in bad faith. Like with the freakout over Kerry’s apartheid reference, I’m sure some people were genuinely offended, but ultimately it’s just a way to shut down the discussion. Especially when the people screaming the loudest are the same ones who would call me an anti-semite because I don’t blindly support Bibi Netanyahu.
Capehart’s comments clearly don’t fall in that category, so I’m willing to listen. What I really think about the term “Uncle Tom” is that it is specifically used to condemn a person’s actions, so it’s not really an epithet. But then there is this discomfort with the fact that it’s restricted to black men, who have had their share of epithets hurled at them over the years.
What I really think about the term “Uncle Tom” is that it is specifically used to condemn a person’s actions, so it’s not really an epithet.
That is where, I think, comes the difference between Uncle Tom and nigger. It is easier to understand the true intention of the phrase Uncle Tom, if it is uttered in the proper context. Nigger, though, is simply a broad-brushed and extremely vituperative insult, meant simply to provoke a violent reaction, which will then be used by the perpetrator of the word as confirmation of its veracity.
There’s Uncle Tom in the abolitionist Harriet Beecher Stowe’s novel and there’s the Uncle Tom created by pro-slavery whites and presented in Minstrel shows. White folks have a penchant for robbing notable and noble characters, real or fictional, of their greatness and replacing it was pablum or lowly, servile, and/or ignoble qualities.
“White folks have a penchant for robbing notable and noble characters, real or fictional, of their greatness and replacing it was pablum or lowly, servile, and/or ignoble qualities. White folks have a penchant for robbing notable and noble characters, real or fictional, of their greatness and replacing it was pablum or lowly, servile, and/or ignoble qualities.”
White folks? Ma’am (or Sir), conquerors of all sorts have used that lovely little technique. It really sucks. One of the reasons a good education is vital to civilization.
OT: Is there an official blackout on Ukraine? Was there a message sent out to all bloggers to avoid the topic? Pravy Sektor thugs bused into Odessa from Kiev just set the trade union hall there on fire, killing at least 38 people.
Is that the side we’re on, killing people in unions? We’re all on the side of fascists now, right?
Is there a blog you don’t pollute with this crap? Asking for a friend.
Eric, you are pathetic. It’s pollution to talk about the consequences of a coup my government caused, and the war that is about to happen because the US refuses to negotiate for the rights of ethnic minorities?
Come back six months from now. In the meantime, witness what your silence accomplishes.
To your question, yes, that is the side we are on and Vicky Nuland knew it when they encouraged the coup.
We also live in a society in which SEIU spots anarchist marchers in a May Day parade so that the Chicago Police can arrest them.
We also live in a society with more sympathy for Clarence Thomas’s feeling than Travon Martin’s life.
Right Sector aided by football hooligans …
○ Dutch newspaper NRC and De Volkskrant
○ GrahamWPhillips
○ RT: 38 people die after radicals set Trade Unions House on fire in Ukraine’s Odessa
○ UNSC held talks, no agreement for a statement to end violence in Ukraine
○ The Guardian: Ukraine clashes, dozens reported dead after Odessa building fire
That’s a good question. I seems to me there’s a lot of difference between the terms N-word and Uncle Tom. And I think it is this: the N-word refers to what a
person is and Uncle Tom refers to what a person does. A person can’t help what he/she is but they make a decision about what they will do.
of course any black person would be insulted being called an UT, but unlike with the use of the N word, I don’t see it as implying any sense of racial inferiority or even racial animus for that matter.
It’s little diff in substance or form from being called a brown-noser or ass-kisser by a member of shared group in any setting when that conduct is percieved as working against the collective interest of the group. UT is simply one unique to blacks of the same designation type.
While I’d discourage its use, comparing it to the use of the N word is stupid in my estimation, because both the motive for its use and substance of the charge are substantially different.
ANd I recently saw this thing used by those who I’d call racists charging the offender here with racism. That’s how bad/stupid racists have become in their quest to alleviate their burden by sharing it — saying a black man calling another a UT makes them a racist against blacks.
OK, let’s sit gracefully, lift our teacup with our pinky, and state in a dignified manner what Clarence Thomas was at the beginning and still is:
a sexist collaborator of sexist, homophobic, and racist bigots.
a person who was given great opportunities and sold out for a mess of pottage, a note in history, a black robe, and enforced deference.
Quisling almost has the same bite as Uncle Tom and a few less racial overtones.
Some word that communicate a deep and biting sense of venal betrayal.
Those priests at St. John Vianney’s Minor Seminary, Conception Seminary, Holy Cross and the University of Notre Dame who formed him as a valiant warrior against abortion must be so proud of him.
A guy who wanted to go into the priesthood and has absolutely not one shred of empathy or compassion. We know that he really worships at the church of Ayn Rand and St. Thomas Sowell. (Talking about another Thomas)
I think any language with a negative racial or gendered connotation is best used by people of the race or gender in question… so I wouldn’t call anyone an Uncle Tom.
And I’ll say what I’ve said before when Clarence Thomas came up: I disagree with the man’s decisions, but if you want to attack him otherwise, stick with conflicts of interest.
Speaking of Thurgood Marshall…
I just call him a piece of shit, because that’s what he is.
I don’t feel qualified to ever use ‘Uncle Tom,’ but in my opinion the only proper use of the other term was when John Lennon said “woman is the nigger of the world.” I don’t even want to contemplate Justice Thomas’s reaction to that.
Interesting discussion. Regarding the calling of Clarence Thomas “Uncle Tom,” I believe if the shoe fits . . .
I am American Indian. About five years ago, I had some surgery. Rehabilitation was the most tortuous thing I had ever experienced; and, I called my therapist “Simon Legree” and he had no clue what I was talking about. I told him it was from a book entitled “Uncle Tom’s Cabin.” He had never heard of it. I checked with a few other people in their 20s and 30s (I am in my late 60s), and not one person I asked knew ANY thing about the book. I have no problem with Rep. Thompson’s comment. He has a right to say it. I would also like to add that Clarence Thomas is a sexist creep and is not qualified to be on the Supreme Court. As far as polite society goes, that seemed to disappear–especially amongst Republicans–when we got our first Black President.
Hmm…What’s in a name??? If there be a label, it should be “Koch Whore”…or “corrupt”…or “retired”….the best one would be “the Justice who was impeached”..