First, let me briefly state the case FOR the ratings system:
- Due to the alarming number of families who have failed to make the best choice with respect to the important question of unsupervised computer time for teens, the ratings system is intended to be a valuable tool in reducing the trollage level.
- Some individuals receive a psychologial benefit from getting “high scores” and this encourages more participation.
Now for some full disclosure. I never read the hidden comments, and I never “troll rate” anybody, so I have no dog in this fight. I could care less what number people rate my posts, to me the only utility of this feature is an indication that somebody read it, so there’s another check in the “pro ratings” column for you.
I have read lots of opinions on the ratings system, usually having to do with people giving low scores to people whose opinions they disagree with, which apparently is not supposed to be done, but people do it. I don’t think I have ever seen anyone give a low score to a post and then reply agreeing with it, having given the low score because they thought it did not add enough to the thread or something.
And I have read posts from people who are disgruntled because they say everybody gives only high scores and that defeats the purpose. They, too, have a point, but in both cases, you run up against human nature. If someone posts something that is neither well written, nor original, but reflects your own point of view, you are unlikely to give that person a low score, no matter how enamored of the point system you may be.
My objection to the point system also has to do with human nature, but I think it also has a more significant effect on content.
People do not want to get low scores, so they will not always say what they think. Or they will try to disguise it, wrap it in a phrase maze and try to express it as understatedly and euphemistically as possible. I know, I have done it myself. Not because I give a cheneyfart about points, but because plain speaking has become such an anathema that if one engages in it, one runs the risk of diverting the focus from the content itself to the extraordinary scandal that someone has called a spade a spade, as opposed to “an object that might, depending on cultural context, be considered by some to veer a little too closely to lend itself to being perceived as something almost spade-like.”
Now this is just my opinion. I recognize that for a lot of folks, that’s a good thing. Keep those opinions nice and centrist. Right down the middle. Make the site look good.
But it is also deceptive. A spade is a spade, and people who don’t have a problem with saying so should not be deterred by the spectre of low game points on a message board, and neither should those who do not recognize the existence of spades.
I will close with a word of encouragement to those who mince words to avoid low scores, or feel bad when they get them. Unless you were blatantly “trolling,” that low score just might be a badge of honor. It might mean that you forced someone to face an ugly truth, about their country, or themselves.
Like a wounded animal, they gave you a low score. But you made them think, and that has the potential, in the current circumstances, to save a life.
And then there’s the trusted user-members only bar where the beer is cheap and plentiful.
The rating system allows the system to be somewhat self correcting. The management doesn’t have to step in every time a malicious troll is stupid enough to spew their thoughtless drivel.
For everyone else, the key here is to write well and not care about the numbers – the rating (and status) will take care of itself.
Be the rating, grasshoppers.
I have to make an effort to remember to go through once in a while and give people 4s in order to be sociable, which is a small annoyance because I just want to read peoples’ posts and reply to them, but I don’t think that anyone here is holding back their opinions because they think somebody might give them a 3 or a 2 or something.
That is my main objection to it, in the context of kos where I posted this diary. And it does not deter trolls. Trolls care about ratings points even less than I do, if that is possible.
ratings system, but I am waiting for it to be tested. So far, we have not had many trolls. User:666 was a troll, but he posted and left.
I’m not a big fan of ratings systems to begin with, but I don’t see that it causes any problems here. At least yet. When you get big, and have a lot of trolls, it might.
How prophetic. Was it dubya or Tim LeHaye?
Somehow I sense a top 40 song lyric evolving from this…
I think they are fine except I don’t know if
‘3’ mean ‘boring’ or ‘mediocre.’ Never use it.
Tip jars for diaries are redundant since a recommendation
is enough. I wonder why people comment on a diary but often don’t bother to recommend it.
boomantribune is doing a fine job and I hope it continues
to be financially viable.
I do that sometimes… often, actually, because there are just so many things to remember to do. Okay, so I’m old and probably have attention problems ;).
But anyway… I’ll read a posting, and then try and formulate a decent comment, post that and then move on. Then… I’ll remember, “oh! I forgot to do the ratings” and go back and do that, and move on. Then, “oh, I should have recommended” and I’ll go back and do that, and after all that I often don’t even want to see the diary again, lol.
Maybe we should have one of those checklists like they have on the backs of envelopes for bills…
“Did you remember to rate the comments?”
“Did you remember to recommend the diary?”
And so on (I’m sure I’ve forgotten something to remember ;).
and will therefore reward it with a 4, wish I had more to give you.
Yes we do need reminders to remember, strange combinations of words isn’t it. LOL. Especially us older folks.
I especially like this line of yours below, I too have felt that way. Thanks for the lol Nanette.
“after all that I often don’t even want to see the diary again, lol.“
Thanks diane, ;). I do love 4s and when I do remember, usually give them out to all who have taken the time to comment, so I probably completely skew the idea of the system anyway.
In fact, I did that on a diary at kos, and realized later that one of the comments I rated a 4 was troll rated out of existence. I have no idea why, as my TU status there usually lasts about 5 minutes because I don’t go there much. I do read the comments tho, before rating, so I must not have gotten the same impression from it as others did. Oh well, lol.
A review of the comments I have rated on DK shows that about 1/3 of comments are now hidden. I did not accidentally rate them 4’s, I did it purposely because I either agreed with the comment or thought they made a very interesting or well stated comment. That is where I get the notion of the thought police at DK, because the comments are usually controversial ones, but certainly not troll type. I am sometimes amazed at comments that receive the troll.
I found when rating comments over there, that if I was the only one who had rated them, it would show up in my ratings list as a hidden comment (which caused me some anxiety when I first started, because I thought I was troll-rating the comments I’d intended to praise which seemed like a way to influence people without making friends). Just wondering if you could be encountering the same thing?
not sure what you are saying, but I did rate them 4’s and others did rate them zeros. There were other fours as well, but one zero seems to make the comment hidden.
I did make a mistake on this board once and accidentally gave someone a 2 when I meant to rate a 4 and didn’t notice for several days.
I would lots rather have a comment than a 4, so why not fix it so that you can’t rate a post (with any number) unless you make a comment!
Sometimes a post which really sucks doesn’t deserve the time and effort of a comment.
no reply, no number, no nothing. Now that is just my opinion, I know it is an unpopular one, š
Because. . .I frequently find myself in a position with only enough time to “reward” what’s been written, and with no time to write. My inability to write shouldn’t hinder the other posters from receiving their just rewards.
As referenced in comments above, I too sometimes forget to “recommend” – or after taking the time to read through many comments and hand out 4s where selected – I forget to hit “Rate All”, proceed to write my own comment – thereby losing all the ratings I had attempted to give.
I noticed the other evening that someone gave Boo a “2”, then agreed with his point. It was clearly an accident on the part of the poster – and I’m sure it meant diddly to Boo, but those accidents do happen.
While you profess the desire to change the ratings system – what would you propose to take it’s place? (If anything at all)
Members of any community such as this possess wide ranges of writing skills – and I’d hate for the grammar police to enter this forum to punish individuals only because they lack the skills to articulate their thoughts as well as others. And the willingness of those individuals to contribute their thoughts (other than “diaries” consisting of one sentence with a link) is part of what makes this site a success. (And no – I really have no clue as to the point I was trying to make!)
For now – this site offers a very different ambiance than others. With that, the sharing of 4s feels more like part of the community spirit of support and graciousness – rather than mob mentality or Heathers.
That isn’t a bad idea, although then you end up with comments like this that don’t add that much to the conversation. On many topics I may not have anything to add that would further the conversation but I do want to convey my gratitude for the information. I’m never sure if a short post of thanks is okay. First blog I’ve posted on so I’m still in the learning stage.
At NET they show the number of reads of any diary. This is quite useful I think. Many people do not post a comment, but nevertheless read a diary – and if you have nothing to contribute, but still enjoy the diary and its comments, isn’t this also an important vote for good writing?
Is that deceptive for multiple viewings by the same user? (Such as revisits to read new comments or updates)
It is not intended to be an accurate counter – just a register of interest – even repeat viewings by same person ‘add value’. But mainly it would show the level of non-contributor interest. If there are nearly 1000 members, but only 30 regular diarists, and 50 more regular commenters, how many of the other 900 or so are regular readers?
(It is also technically possible to register unique viewers, instead of just the hits.)
It may be though, that the above information could lower the commercial value of the site (and it needs money to continue and grow) if it was shown that active membership is much smaller than actual or inactive membership.
The Frog Prince might have a few words on this?
Did you have some problems at DK or it just came to you to do this diary. Since we have no problems here with rating abuse I am curious.
I think 4’s are good because it tells you that someone read you comment and found something in it, other times it tells you that someone you wrote a comment to has seen and read it….Also a lot of 4’s tells others to notice, this is a good comment. Other than that and I guess a 0 for real trolls, I see no need for ratings, but I do find it worthwhile for reasons I stated.
Also 4’s are good just to make people happy sometimes, or to cheer them up. That can’t be bad.
Gee, I don’t know whether to give you a 4 or not Ductape, lol. Sorry I cannot properly convey the intent of this comment with out emoticons.
I would like a system that showed how many had read a diary as mentioned somewhere above.
and the only problem I have there is as I state in the diary, I think that the system hampers people from saying what they think.
I don’t think that is a problem here at all.
Well call me crazy, but I thought you posted it here, and you gave no link or explanation, that I could see, perhaps oldtimers disease has really come upon me now.
I saw the diary last night when apparently you didn’t post it her and was going to write something funny, but then decided to wait to see what others said. lol
I hope you are laughing with me. Smiley face here.
For all of this I am going to give everyone on this diary a 4.
look up at the top.
I looked at the top and it has your name on the diary, not Paradocs.. what am I missing or not seeing.
Paradocs is the first comment, but other than that I can see no Paradocs name on the top of diary.
I was surprised to see it here today, I must have posted it here thinking it was kos, when I had a browser freeze last night, I mean I thought I tried to post it on kos, froze and didn’t, came back and did, but it was here and I have no brain.
I am glad we finally have this straightened out. I saw this diary come up at around 10:00 PM PST last night, went to DK to see if you had cross posted it, found no diary, and then went to bed.
So perhaps you should post it on DK. Good to know I don’t have oldtimers disease too bad.
here is the link
Apparently my oldtimers’ disease has reached the point where I should spend my time sitting at a small table on the corner drinking what I insist is tea with my decrepit contemporaries arguing over whether the object passing by at the moment is a duck, an elephant, or a tank, before returning to the popular debate topic of which one of us knew Abraham best.
Careful! You’re hitting far too close to home with that comment when coupled with the recent visit to my father at the nursing home.
And just for the record – it was three sheep he pointed out to me. . .seriously. (Although he was well aware it was a grouping of large rocks and he was merely attempting to humour me)
…my life
Ducky, bless your little cotton socks, please remember that with certain recreational drugs it is NOT advisable to operate machinery under the influence š
Whoa, for a second there you made me stop for a reality check.
The internal dialogue:
“Uh, did I do that?”
“You don’t remember?”
“Well, it could have been my evil twin.”
“You don’t have an evil twin, but you do mutter to yourself a lot.”
You will be relieved to know that I have just received an email offering a very reasonable price on 100% herbal L-Dopa from Niger, all I have to do is send the nice man a little information and I will get the L-Dopa, some yellow cake, and several million dollars.
In all honesty I don’t think I read every entry (but I glanced).
My 2c’s on the topic.
First I rated 4’s because a comment is well put and I had nothing to add.
Then I rated 4’s for: thanks for a nice chat.
Followed by rating 4’s for general sportsmanship.
At some point it became more complicated – do I offend if I don’t give you a 4?
And then I came here, and I dunno – I just went nuts.
And your action made me smile. Ya know. . .I’m likely oversimplifying things, but I’ve been observing the situation in terms of dual paralels (so to speak), so I guess that’s the way in which I’ll convey my thoughts.
It seems we have two camps of personalities – one style that thrives on jumping into rigorous discussion of prolific rapid response debate and would prefer not to interrupt the discourse for ratings that should be self-evident by the conversation or unneccesary altogether. And they remain sensitive to those who don’t fit that makeup.
Then there are those who enjoy the sharing of 4s and developing personal relationships on the same level of importance as the quality of the discourse – yet this group remains sensitive to the needs of those in the other camp.
And at times, people in either group may transfer over to the other side of the fence, depending on their individual mood and the general atmosphere over here.
So all in all, there’s a very good vibe of collaboration. And that might be the perfect time for the two camps to work with the proprietor to suggest or support a new course of action, before the pond starts growing more tributaries.
Again, I’m sure it’s far more complex than stated above, but that’s just the general feel I get.