Fresh, ummmm, snark from Liberal Street Fighter
The illustrious party elders at Democracy Corps are back with yet another report warning us (.pdf!) that they found exactly what they thought they were looking for:
Dissatisfaction over the war in Iraq, the economy and rising health care costs might spell trouble for Republicans, but a study by Democratic strategists warns that their party’s failure to connect with voters on cultural issues could prevent Democratic candidates from reaping gains in upcoming national elections.
Yes, these erstwhile “centrists” have bravely gone into a forbidding land, one they call “the heartland,” in search of a mythical creature, one that reminds me of ANOTHER expedition I read about once …
“Just the place for a Snark!” the Bellman cried,
As he landed his crew with care;
Supporting each man on the top of the tide
By a finger entwined in his hair.
“Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice:
That alone should encourage the crew.
Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice:
What i tell you three times is true.”
We are, of course, used to this sort of survey coming out from the consultant class in Washington, though one wonders why anybody listens, since they have such a lousy record in recent elections.
The whole enterprise is dishonest from the get-go. Don’t believe me, well, I’ll let them tell you as such in their own words:
Based on survey data on the critical role of cultural issues and attitudes toward the personal values of candidates in the 2004 election, we designed these focus groups to gain a better understanding of the attitudes of rural and red state voters on these complex issues and to discuss the relative importance of cultural issues relative to others priorities, including security, economic, and quality of life issues. Particularly among non-college voters, cultural issues not only superceded other priorities, they served as a proxy for many voters on those other issues.
In other words, based on earlier cooked surveys, they’re going to get together a bunch of people and ask them loaded questions to reaffirm what they already know … that “moral values” are what cost Democratic candidates elections.
He had bought a large map representing the sea,
Without the least vestige of land:
And the crew were much pleased when they found it to be
A map they could all understand.
“What’s the good of Mercator’s North Poles and Equators,
Tropics, Zones, and Meridian Lines?”
So the Bellman would cry: and the crew would reply
“They are merely conventional signs!
“Other maps are such shapes, with their islands and capes!
But we’ve got our brave Captain to thank:
(So the crew would protest) “that he’s bought us the best–
A perfect and absolute blank!”
Sadly, though, like the brave adventurers in that OTHER quest, the enthusiastic and too-certain folks at Democracy Corps concentrate only on chasing the mythical creature that is the subject of their hunt, while ignoring game they find right before their eyes.
College-educated voters, on the other hand, were much more circumspect about the focus on cultural issues among many Republican politicians. They decried efforts by President Bush and others to use the resources of elected office to enforce their moral beliefs on others, with the Terry Schiavo case and opposition to stem cell research serving as the most noteworthy examples. While these voters shared a deep-seated regard for the importance of family, concern over the impact of sex and violence in the media on children, and a desire for greater respect for many traditional social norms, they were averse to any efforts to legislate morality or to otherwise use government to restrict individual freedoms.
One would think that this insight would lead to a prescription to help capitalize on these beliefs, while embarking on the hard work of actually doing politics, of showing that voters’ ingrained ideas about Democrats being “immoral” are distortions created by long-term unopposed propaganda from the Right Wing Noise Machine. There is actually some heartening stuff in these focus groups, that there are many issues that voters recognize as failings on the part of the Republican party. Instead of focusing on the signs that voters are willing to be open to change, the authors find more droppings of the beast they expected to find:
Democrats Karl Agne and Stan Greenberg, who conducted the focus group, said Democrats need a reform-oriented, anti-Washington agenda to overcome the culture gap. At this point, Democrats are in no position to capitalize if there is a clear backlash against Republicans. “No matter how disaffected they are over Republican failures in Iraq and here at home,” they said, “a large chunk of white, non-college voters, particularly in rural areas, will remain unreachable for Democrats at the national level.”
Ready to give up on so many, while insisting that we should chase those very same voter’s concerns, the geniuses at Democracy Corps give their friends in the media interviews and copies of their new study and reinforce a couple of damaging messages for the party:
- The party cannot reach a large number of voters, they are lost to us.
- The party is losing because it is viewed as “immoral,” repeating agitprop from the right to push their own agenda.
- That the right’s framing of “moral values” is unassailable, so the Democratic Party must fight them ON THEIR GROUND.
Who continues to pay these people? How in any way, shape or form are they doing ANYTHING other than helping our opponents? For too many years, people have been approached by only ONE political party, the Republicans, with encouragement from the center-right of the Democratic Party acting more like a village auxilary than an actual opposition party.
I say enough. It’s time to get off their ship, to let the hunters of their snark to sail off alone to their fate …
Erect and sublime, for one moment of time.
In the next, that wild figure they saw
(As if stung by a spasm) plunge into a chasm,
While they waited and listened in awe.
“It’s a Snark!” was the sound that first came to their ears,
And seemed almost too good to be true.
Then followed a torrent of laughter and cheers:
Then the ominous words “It’s a Boo-“
Then, silence. Some fancied they heard in the air
A weary and wandering sigh
Then sounded like “-jum!” but the others declare
It was only a breeze that went by.
They hunted till darkness came on, but they found
Not a button, or feather, or mark,
By which they could tell that they stood on the ground
Where the Baker had met with the Snark.
In the midst of the word he was trying to say,
In the midst of his laughter and glee,
He had softly and suddenly vanished away—
For the Snark was a Boojum, you see.
with thanks and affection for Lewis Carroll. Links, image and words from Klassische, Gedichte und Balladen
also xposted at dailyKos — DH puts in a fine highjack! Come watch the flame wars!
I think Lewis Carrol is the perfect voice for this time in our history, honestly I often feel that I’ve fallen through the looking glass myself. As a factory worker (although I prefer the title “working class hero” I can’t seem to get anyone to use it) I find that most of my coworkers were furious at the government intrusion into the family affair of Terri Shiavo, don’t buy into the war, don’t care if glbt people marry and don’t believe a word coming out of the president’s mouth. There are a few die hard believers but not that many and not as many as there were a few years back. What I hear is that if anyone in either party cared anything for working people and threw us a life line by way of health care we could afford and kept a few jobs this side of the border we’d be throwing them votes in a New York minute! There, now can I get a consulting fee? I need one, our factory just opened a plant in China……….ugh, that giant sucking sound…
yup, so many people just waiting for someone to speak for and to them.
That’s why I’m such a fan of Feingold. He’s been traveling around the country talking with Americans.
The right focuses their values talk on hate, while we could be pressing one of shared values and openness for all.
The right focuses their values talk on hate, while we could be pressing one of shared values and openness for all.
I just spent a couple of days deconstructing the ‘trust us, the Democratic party will protect women’s rights’ spin over on DKos and engaged a couple of operatives. It was most illustrative as, with a couple of operatives, I managed to rather rapidly work through the initial lies (except with Kos who simply does not respond) and into the 2nd layer of lies and some very real rage.
The problem with ‘shared values and openness’ is that those folks not only do not share our values, they’re incapable of openness. They don’t have any values or at least they do not care about the long or short term effects of public policy changes on actual people, they focus almost exclusively on ‘winning’ and they think the only way they can win is by changing what ‘we’ believe. In other words they have no notion of what it takes to actually win or to inspire people.
My sense is that they’re enraged that people like you and I aren’t willing to adopt and accept the world view and belief systems of white, southern, rural voters or perhaps for the better educated, the editorial board of TNR. Their ‘strategy’, far as I can tell, is to belittle, bully, lie and manipulate the ‘liberals’ in the party. The problem being that there are many alternatives to becoming a social conservative and all of them, including death, are better. And besides, we can look at those areas dominated by the values of white, southern rural voters and examine the social indicators to discover what sort of society said values produce. Nobody in their right mind would wish to emulate that.
I believe a necessary step to actually winning elections is to replace said operatives with some decent and clear thinking human beings who actually do share our values and are capable of honest dialogue. And besides, didn’t Stan Greenberg come up with the NASCAR dads strategy? And the office park dads strategy? Why do we listen to him?
My sense is that they’re enraged that people like you and I aren’t willing to adopt and accept the world view and belief systems of white, southern, rural voters or perhaps for the better educated, the editorial board of TNR. Their ‘strategy’, far as I can tell, is to belittle, bully, lie and manipulate the ‘liberals’ in the party.
Bingo. LOL I will have to look for your comments colleen… The small pantheon of consultants from the “class of 92” is entrenched and the comers don;t look too much better.
I still say, learn to adopt the Paul Weyrich appraoch. A voting bloc.
Other wise the game is too rigged and, in the effort to hold the rigged game down, goon-styled response is all they have to offer.
I still say, learn to adopt the Paul Weyrich appraoch. A voting bloc.
Votes and money are the only things that they respond to and somehow I don’t think that their habit of treating pro-choice voters as if we were their abused wives will be an especially effective tactic.
This is why I find that new “Movement” media strategy funded by NDN corporate sponsors a bit irksome… so far I have only seen it “aimed” at DEMOCRATS… trying to get them to buy into this pathetic “shift” to the center crap and dump the women and gays overboard.
Someone should hint to them that if they actually aimed it at the GOP perhaps we could win somethinge… But alas it seems that they are more interested in beating up the Democratic parties natural allies like NARAL and pummeling diverse voices… and most importantly getting PAID.
The irony is they whine about the million-dollar consultant class cronies … as they fight their way up that same corporate consultant ladder
Well, that is IT, isn’t it? They want much of what the Republicans fight for, but they feel it makes them look bad, or something, so they try to dress it up in a pretty dress and crinoline. There is a deep seated misogyny at work, though of a type typical of former hippies and the ’60s counterculture male.
The trope I am most tired of is: “America is a conservative country!”
This makes me laugh every time. This is a country started by religious nuts, dreamers and smugglers/traders, who fought a revolution based on some very radical liberal ideas at the time.
We’ve fought repeatedly in our own streets, both for good causes and ill. Half the country at one time fought a bloody war to stop the other half from leaving, which is itself pretty radical considering that the initial union was held together with bailing wire and quid-pro-quo political deals.
We’re under the thrall of the culture of Texas, which was formed by radical proto-Libertarians who also wanted to own slaves (how’s THAT for cognitive dissonance?).
Many of our greatest heros were vilified, and often shot, for espousing views, both good and terrible, that often got them killed.
We destroyed entire cultures for god and greed under some idea that it was our “destiny” to do so, then proceeded to fight over whether the stolen land should be grazed or cultivated or hydraulically strip mined.
Nothing conservative, about any of that.
When Republican and ’92 (We won once, a long time ago … LOVE US!) party elites talk about how this country is “conservative,” they are insisting that America is that twisted made-up white bread suburban world the evangelicals like to conjure up. It’s a fraud, and leaves far too many Americans out. America is an idea and a landslide of constant change held together by tenuous hopes, dreams and sheer momentum. The Republicans and ’92 hacks are spiritual descendents of those OTHER great conservatives, the Know Nothings, and they run BOTH parties.
Oh yes, they have to go. Sadly, I fear it will take some time to build up enough people and momentum to move them out, but it’s only a matter of time.
they are insisting that America is that twisted made-up white bread suburban world the evangelicals like to conjure up. It’s a fraud, and leaves far too many Americans out.
After Kerry pathetic loss it was PELOSI who was shouting about the “Values Voter” meme LOUDER than the Republicans… they also lied and said that the young voters did not show up at the ballot.
I see you hit a nerve on DK… you must be on the right track.
I would also like these idiots to explain their outcomes that the Democrats are being held back by our womenfolk and gays wanting equal rights… then why has the latest Gallop poll clearly showed that the GOP preferred candidate at this moment is Guilliani who is pro-choice and pro gay marriage.
The DLC/NDN pollsters are full of shit and this report is a bunch of lies. But I am sure that the “Movement for Hire” will strike up the band and play this recording over and over to convince the netroots that it has been PROVEN beyond a shadow of a doubt that God (aka DLC/NDN) says we must throw the womenfolk and gays overboard.
there are some good quotes from younger voters in it, and some signposts for the future.
My biggest problem is how Democracy Corps has focused AGAIN on the “values” thing, and fucking BLEAK they are in their interpretation.
Man, we are at such a time of opportunity, if only the party leaders would STOP trying to silence the left.
As for the response elsewhere … it’s pretty typical, sadly.
Well this is what you get when a so-called “Progressive Movement” is bought and paid for by corporations.
There are So-Called Librul Bloggers (SCLB) aready renoucing their wicked ways of being past members of the “fringe far left-wing wing political parties” and finding jeebus in the busom of the NDN…
A few bags of silver goes a long ways these days… these dudes are ready to sell their mothers.
Why can’t they understand that in order to be leaders – you have to LEAD. And that people are actually looking for leaders who STAND FOR SOMETHING rather than just putting up a finger to see where the wind is blowing. Sometimes I actually long for a little of the attitude of the person in the administration who told Suskind that they were in the business of “creating reality.” While it was anathma to many of us – we could use a little of that.
politics could be argued as the ART of creating reality.
Sadly, they seem determined to drag us down to another couple of defeats, unless we can stop them thru the primary process.
politics could be argued as the ART of creating reality.
I think these guys or, rather, some of them, get this. One of the ones I was talking with yesterday was insisting that the 65% (or more, depending on the poll) who don’t wish to see Roe overturned are all concentrated in 12 states. I didn’t ask why we don’t have the House then but mostly because it was obvious that actual conversation of any sort wasn’t a possibility.
It’s just that the reality they’re trying to create isn’t one which is appealing on any level to the folks they hope will vote for and send money to their candidates. On some level they’re just stupid.
Probably the most densely populated states, no doubt, and WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH IT? We’re supposed to be held hostage to the superstitions of Gomers living out in Far Bumblefuck and scared exurban white people who can’t deal with change?
Who ARE these people, and why don’t they just switch parties?
Probably the most densely populated states, no doubt
While I expect that there may be some slight truth to what he was saying I think it’s important to remember that in many if not most cases we’re dealing with activists in the pro (some) life moment and thus people who habitually lie and manipulate because they have God on their side. I expect that it’s nonsense, that he does not know and that he does not care to know the actual facts. It’s counterintuitive to claim that the 65% of the population which does not wish to see Roe overturned is concentrated in 12 states. For one thing this implies that a majority of the citizens of Texas and fucking Florida are pro-choice. I’m pretty sure he pulled that stat out of one of his northern orifices. I was sort of charmed by the silliness of his reasoning and would have questioned him further but he was as vicious as DHinMI without the intelligence and I had used up my daily tolerance for voluntary verbal abuse by then.
Who ARE these people, and why don’t they just switch parties?
I believe that the religious right, spearheaded mainly by conservative Catholics and greatly emboldened is conducting a stealth campaign within the Dem leadership and surely on Kos’s blog.
oh, I agree. All of the outrage over saying bad things about Ratzi felt so manufactured.
All of the outrage over saying bad things about Ratzi felt so manufactured.
That episode, and particularly in the wake of the Schiavo fiasco was so illustrative. I had many ah-ha moments reading those threads.
Well they do LEAD by example…