Dyan Abena McCray, pastor of Unity Fellowship Church of Washington in D.C., said that she has received threatening phone calls, emails and had a brick thrown through the window of her car for calling Rev. Willie Wilson (r) to task for his homophobia. (Photo by Rudy K. Lawidjaja)
These unbelievable quotes came out of the mouth of a man of the cloth:
“But … women falling down on another woman, strapping yourself up with something, it ain’t real. That thing ain’t got no feeling in it. It ain’t natural. Anytime somebody got to slap some grease on your behind and stick something in you, it’s something wrong with that. Your butt ain’t made for that.”
“No wonder your behind is bleeding. You can’t make no connection with a screw and another screw. The Bible says God made them male and female.”
–The Rev. Willie Wilson, pastor of Union Temple Baptist Church in Southeast D.C. (and a former mayoral candidate) during a recorded sermon.
The political schism over gay rights in the religious black community is real, and now, vicious. Those outrageous statements deserved a response from other religious leaders in the community, and one stepped forward to say something. And she’s paying for it.
Rev. Dyan Abena McCray, pastor at Unity Fellowship Church of Washington, D.C. This is what she said in a column for the Washington Blade.
After hearing news reports, and reading hundreds of e-mails about the toxic words spewed from the pulpit of Rev. Willie Wilson in the nation’s capitol, I felt compelled to make a statement.
…As a woman who is African American, a lesbian and a pastor, I am troubled by the malicious remarks made by Rev. Wilson on July 3. I am glad to learn, however, that some in his congregation were offended by his words and courageously shared the recording with the community at large.
Wilson’s hateful speech is strikingly inconsistent with his past actions. Several years ago, he invited members of the African-American local GLBTQ community into his sanctuary for a healing discussion around inclusivity. After much debate, it was the elder women of the church who stood and brought order to the situation. I am deeply troubled by any spiritual leader who will say one thing today and do something very different tomorrow. It is difficult to comprehend how someone who professes to be created in the image of God would promote such repulsive speech.
…What Wilson has done is set himself up for divine judgment and criticism from colleagues and the community. God has a way of revealing who and what a person is. The reality is that Wilson has shown that his leadership skills and hatred for some people would never make him a suitable politician for our city and make him a questionable member of the clergy.
Speaking this truth has apparently generated enough hatred to threaten the safety of this minister. Tell, me, will the Dobsons, Falwells and Bauers of the AmTaliban stand up for Willie Wilson and his minions — followers that have now placed Dyan Abena McCray in jeopardy? (Washington Blade):
Since the article was published, McCray said, she has received numerous threatening phone calls and e-mails. “One of the calls said, ‘One who ministers to lesbians and punks should watch their backs,’” McCray said. “Someone else said, ‘Your voice needs to be shut up.’
“A couple days before the window was smashed, I got a call saying I needed to watch my back, and then the phone slammed down.”
How can this be happening and there is nary a word in the mainstream media or on big dog blogs? It’s as if there is a complete blackout on this topic. It’s radioactive. Dems won’t touch it. Most progressive blogs are basically MIA on the political ramifications of this divide in the community, and the GOP’s attempt to exploit black homophobia and turn them into votes.
Why? They don’t have a good answer, because they don’t know how to talk to the black faith communities about this and think this base of the party will always “come home” on election day.
As I’ve said many times before on my blog, the GOP doesn’t have to win over a huge chunk of black votes; all they need is to shave off a few points here and there and that will determine many close races. Between that, and the lack of a compelling argument by the Democrats as to why civil rights for gays and lesbians are nothing to fear and everything to encourage, you get other black voters that will just stay home.
Plus, you’ve got the faith-based cash flowing into the coffers of these mega churches — morally bankrupt pastors don’t mind being bought off by The Dark Side when the Democrats just show up the week before the polls open.
Only the head of the Congressional Black Caucus, Rep. Mel Watt (D-NC), has made the case that the Dems are making a big mistake by ignoring this schism. He addressed this in an article in the Independent Weekly, a local progressive paper here in the Triangle area of NC. “Framing gay rights for the black community” was my post on the topic.
First of all, we allowed Republicans to say we were advocates of gay marriage rather than framing it as a personal liberty issue or standing up and saying we don’t believe in it. We ran away from that; nobody wanted to talk about it, we knew it made people uncomfortable. Instead of having our community engaged in open discussion about it and moving on to other issues or seeing how it related to pocketbook issues, we let the Republicans control the message…You can’t avoid these issues. For us to bury our heads in the sand and say these issues aren’t to be discussed, that’s just unrealistic. We need to be talking about them in our own terms and not allowing [Republicans] to define themselves as the moral arbiters of what’s right and wrong.
…I never really talk about it in civil rights terms. I talk about it in civil liberties terms, respecting the individual. It’s really a personal freedom issue more than a civil rights issue. It’s the ability of a person to be who he or she is…. I have cautioned gay groups not to talk about it that way to black people. Black people tend to think of that as the right to vote and have jobs and things they have fought for over the years. I don’t want to get into an argument about whether this is a civil right, human right or individual right. It’s, Do you believe an individual has a right to be respected?
Watt has set the stage for discussion, but no one is participating. I am hoping that good, smart minds here will be willing to speak frankly and help strategize on how to approach this instead of putting heads in the sand.
Fellow blogger The Green Knight added this insight on the discomfort the Dem establishment — and white bloggers — have in addressing this vital issue.
White bloggers like me often feel awkward talking about black issues — partly because we’re afraid of getting things wrong. And the Democratic Party often just fails to talk about black issues — mostly because it figures it’s got the black vote locked up anyhow.
But one thing that’s unambiguous here is that the culture war is not exclusively a white thing anymore. In recent years the GOP and the big religious right organizations have been making some noise about race. Realizing that the 1970s Southern Strategy of success through racism is pretty much tapped out, they’ve decided to replace it with a new anti-gay strategy, one that can cut across racial lines.
They mean it. You don’t start targeting women of the cloth if you don’t mean it. Therefore, we who oppose them have to get serious. They want to rip apart another community — the black faith community — in their never-sated hunger for more power. The Democrats mustn’t let them do this, and lefty bloggers and media mustn’t turn a blind eye to it.
Please, folks, get the media and other blogs to start talking about this political divide. Make the AmTaliban answer questions about whether they support of men of faith like Willie Wilson. Hold the Dem establishment (and the black faith communities propogating this) responsible for answering hard questions.
Ultimately, this is about Dems clarifying where they stand on civil rights for gay citizens in this country.
This should not be a third rail topic.
More needs to be done to bolster the case that this shift is occurring. No polling or research will be done until the mainstream is convinced this is occurring.
We need data on what the religious black community is doing in terms of translating this homophobia into vote shifts.
I believe it will show up, but in smallish numbers. That still matters in close races. What those smallish numbers won’t address is the willingness for blacks to vote Dem, yet still pull the lever for marriage amendments and attempt to quash the extension of civil rights for gays and lesbians at the local level (anti-discrimination measures, domestic partnership policies, etc.).
To combat that potential problem, it means Dems would need to actually take a public affirmative position on gay rights that the party was willing to defend. I haven’t seen that Party. It’s MIA.
Earlier posts:
* DC pastor – lesbianism is “about to take over our community”
* Homo-bigot DC pastor gets skewered by rights groups
* DC Rev ‘apologizes’ for outrageous sermon attacking gays
* Homo-bigot reverend flaps his lips over lesbianism – again
Hope that it spurs much-needed discussion!
First, welcome from a not-so-newbie. I always enjoyed your diaries on DKos and I’m so glad you’re posting here.
Second–I am SOOOO glad for your diary. My blood boils every time I think about his vile and disgusting “sermon.” Jesus–this man was talking about strap-ons IN THE PULPIT!!! Hello?!?!?!
What really gets me, though, is that I hadn’t heard of the minister and certainly didn’t know she was being threatened … and I’m in the area.
But you know what else has gotten missed? My lesbian and gay sisters and brothers had every to hold him to account, but the first ones in line should have been straight Black women. And why? How do you insult a woman? By attacking her sexuality. And if a straight woman is acting “out of line,” she’s either a slut or a lesbian.
Do recall that Wilson’s comments echoed Pat Robertson, which is bad enough on its own. Ain’t it funny how you have to step to someone who isn’t economically dependent on you? Why, you have to treat them as (gasp!) an equal! Like a human being.
Or just screw that and denigrate them back “into their place,” which is exactly what happened. Now you have to feel guilty b/c a few women may make more money than a few men. Boo friggin hoo. Damn, are we emasculating, brow-beating, ball-busting, and henpecking men AGAIN?!?!?! (Of course, I’m willing to bet good money that this awful tirade had nothing to do whatsoever with gays and lesbians or money-makin’ sistas but rather a/b control issues w/in his church, but I digress.)
And after we’ve been denigrated, we continue to listen to foolishness and pay for this dubious privilege through tithes? Just how many times do we have to prove our loyalty?
Of course, Wilson isn’t helping matters by raising a son who apparently believes he must be Jesus b/c he thinks he’s God’s gift. Someone ought to hit him and his horrible son w/ a clue stick–most girls will tell a boy that they are a lesbian to be left the hell alone. I mean, damn–he doesn’t have any friends from church he could ask to the prom?
(For those who may have missed it, Wilson said: “My son in high school last year, trying to go to the prom, he said, ‘Dad, I ain’t got nobody to take to the prom because all the girls in my class are gay. There ain’t but two of them straight and both of them are ugly.'” This, of course, echoes the “lesbian panic” from wingnut Tom Coburn now a senator from OK.)
Finding someone to go to the prom w/ is not that damned deep. Maybe he’s the ugly one. (I wonder if he’s colorstruck…this being the DC area. But again, I digress.)
At the end of the day, however, this has just got to stop. I am sick to death of it. I am sick to death of the hateful rhetoric. I am sick to death of gay-bashing cooning for faith-based cash. I’m just done. And I’m sick to death of women, straight or gay, being attacked. He wouldn’t have a church w/o women. He’d do well to remember that.
So would we.
Thanks for the great post. And for an update on Willie Wilson. Despite his bleating about homely girls and the plight of his dateless son sulking amidst all the black lesbian action going on around him in school, we learn, from the Washington City Paper, that his lonesome son has a girlfriend and has been dating her for a good while. The scoop comes directly from the source: the school. From a post on my blog, and Washington City Paper.
BUSTED.
Of course, we knew was unlikely from the start.
This is really important stuff and needs to be publicized. I am constantly troubled by men who stand behind pulpits and preach hate and ignorance.
Great first post…but I am familiar with your terrific writing from elsewhere!
And we’re neighbors!
Yes, but it seems to me that gay rights splits the white faith community too. So what are Democrats supposed to do about holding together the black faith community on this issue, if they can’t hold together the white faith community?
The Dems, unfortunately, see the black community (and its votes) as a monolithic bloc in all too many instances. They clearly don’t understand how class, regionalism, religion and colorism plays out in the community, and cannot seem to engage these issues.
The gay issue is just so over the top, that you wish SOMEONE in the Dem establishment would call it out. The silence is completely immoral.
They aren’t recognizing the schism that is occurring, as they do with the clearly defined American Taliban split of white evangelicals from the rest of the vote.
Meanwhile, Bush, Mehlman and the faith-based dollars keep flowing into the coffers of these black mega-churches.
about issues that are important to the black community, and I have worked and lived in and around the black community and black activist community enough to understand the issues.
I do have trouble getting much response writing about urban issues, but I just need to try harder, I guess.
Still, on this issue, the Democrats don’t want to alienate the more conservative church community by getting in their face. How can we handle this schism productively, without just driving a bigger wedge? The difficulty in answering that question causes paralysis.
This is a great diary for raising the issue in a thoughtful way.
I think the key is to not be afraid to confront, bringing allies in the black faith community forward to counter this, and call out the Willie Wilsons. For instance…
Rev. James A. Forbes and Rev. Cari Jackson are trying to counter the homophobia coming from the pulpit of some black churches.
The most important thing that could be done is to help find a way for gay black parishioners to come out. They are sitting there in those pews listening to that hate directed at them.
in the black community runs deeper than a few pulpits. In my experience, it is a cultural issue.
The pulpits would be a good place to start breaking down the taboos, as opposed to reinforcing them. But it is going to take a long time.
We lost a lot of votes in Philly over the gay marriage issue, and the kids were not much more enlightened about it than their parents.
The young men I worked with during the campaign were particularly uncomfortable about homosexuality, many of them were unwilling to attend a meeting because it was going to be held in the gayborhood, and they couldn’t contemplate even being seen walking there.
In spite of this, the youngins didn’t think the issue was important enough to vote Republican. But many of the parents did.
I think the problem here is that Democratic politicians, out of some misguided sense of “pragmatism”, refuse to take a stand on either gay rights or racial rights. If they’d just take a stand – for the right thing – they’d almost certainly gain more votes than they’d lose. And they might be able to help heal rifts like this, by explaining why it’s okay to be gay.
As long as they keep being “pragmatic”, however, the Republicans will continue to exploit this.
…I never really talk about it in civil rights terms. I talk about it in civil liberties terms, respecting the individual. It’s really a personal freedom issue more than a civil rights issue. It’s the ability of a person to be who he or she is…. I have cautioned gay groups not to talk about it that way to black people.
Mel Watt brings up the core of the issue for many African-Americans who are either ambivalent or may even inclined to support gay rights…but don’t. Many African-Americans dislike, even resent, a direct correlation being made between the gay rights movement and the civil rights movement of the 60’s. Making this connection will always lose a significant bloc of African-Americans. The perception among many is that those most prominent in the gay rights movement are white men with a lot of disposable income who would be among the power elite were it not for their choice to be “openly” gay.
Furthermore, there is a history in this country of other disaffected Americans “piggy backing” in seeking civil rights after African-Americans have borne the brunt of the battles. The women’s movement is always used as a prime example of those sailing through the wake in the aftermath of African-Americans coping with the storm.
By taking Congressman’s Watt suggestion that presenting gay rights as an issue of personal privacy and individual liberty, rather than a natural continuum of the civil rights movement, supporters of gay rights would go a long way in breaking down some of the resistance in the black community.
Obviously, the African-Americans making this statement are keeping themselves intentionally ignorant of the “storm” the women’s movement had to deal with for hundreds of years. Likewise, they seem purposefully ignorant of the actual circumstances and nature of GLBT people. I find this extremely troubling. It seems to suggest that the individuals of which you speak would seek to actively deny civil rights to these groups… No matter what they were called.
I find it profoundly troubling on more levels than that. It also smacks of “we were here first” – the suggestion that there aren’t enough civil rights to go around. And the perspective seems to be entirely predicated on total acceptance of right-wing talking points.
You know what would go a long way towards breaking down the resistance? Education, and working against the anti-information culture in many of the poorer segments of society.
Presenting it as a personal privacy issue plays right into the hands of the Republican party. Not only because they believe there is no right to personal privacy, but because it comes back to the “well, they don’t have to be open. They can go hide” attack. Presenting things this way does, in fact, seem likely to reinforce the prejudice and bigotry against open gays, supporting the argument that they should have equal rights as long as they’re not open about their preference.
I’m glad to “see” you’re here, too! How’s it goin’?
Good to see ya !
I’m hangin’ in there and tryin’ to keep cool this hot summer ! 😀
I know! It was 67 degrees this morning (around 7ish) and I almost cried tears of joy.
You’d think someone who spent many a summer in friggin’ Birmingham, AL would be used to this hot A weather (I’m trying not to be too profane this early in the day…heh, heh, heh).
has nothing to do w/ faith. We have to quit letting the hateful and the frightened and the exclusionary define what is “acceptable” in civil society. I don’t have any control over what they teach or believe in their tax exempt little businesses, but out here in the public square it is NOT welcome, and I don’t care if the bigot is white, black, brown, yellow … male or female.
The party won’t stand up for Gays. It won’t stand up for Blacks. It won’t stand up for Indians. It won’t stand up for women …
What exactly is it there for?
A “Xtian” who starts in on me about Leviticus gets an earful about the Beatitudes, I don’t care who they are. They’ve been getting that earful since I was a teenager, and I think I can safely state that I have read as much or more of the book they misappropriate as most of them.
I think Americablog touted this piece of news about this major fool several weeks back.
But the heat on the Reverend Dyan has got to stop. And it ain’t gonna take just Dems.
More folx are going to have to speak truth to power on this issue. Even my sister knows the difference between winger, homophobe Christians and Christian folx.
Will spread this around.
I wish. John at AB didn’t pick up the first stories on Wilson.
Let me stand corrected, girlfriend.
It wasn’t Americablog.
I think it was Steve Gilliard’s blog.
Here’s the archive link:
http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2005_07_01_stevegilliard_archive.html
Scroll to nearly the middle, and you’ll see the baldheaded chump. I ask you!
Umph. Think it was a case of ‘not our class, honeychile?’ (snark off)
Speaking for no one but myself, the position of the black community on practically every other minority group’s problems usually disappoints me to the point of hopelessness. And it’s compounded by the fact that, if you are white, you are inviting a shitstorm on yourself by even having an opinion about some of the major attitude problems that are mainstream in the black community, not the least of which would be open homophobia, anti-Semitism, anti-asian and anti-hispanic bigotry, and profound hostility to women’s rights.
It’s not as if these aren’t problems in the majority as well, but they are the subject of a real and open if often ugly public debate. The voices of social liberalism in black America are, however, brave and very few voices crying in the wilderness. That non-black Americans are reluctant to say anything about it is both cowardly and condescendingly racist. A bigot is a bigot, and ought to be unequivocally condemned as such, regardless of how awkward that may be when it crosses the color line.
In light of that, though I know it will win me few friends for saying so, the biggest obstacle the cause of real equality faces in the black community is the black church. Many black churches are just as regressive, hateful, and backwards as the better-funded temples of hate in the white GOP world. I say let this conflict split the black church. The western world surged out of the dark ages and into the modern age when the Reformation broke the stranglehold of orthodoxy, and the fragmentation and decline into irrelevance of black American orthodoxy will no doubt have the a comparable salutary effect.
Religion only lines up on the side of right when it has become too weak to work evil. For all of the apologists of Catholicism who like to point out token resistance to slavery and other social ills as far back as the first millennium, the truth is that the mainstream church only got behind abolitionism (and, for that matter, democracy, mass literacy, and a few token women’s rights) once it had to earn the allegiance of the people instead of being able to demand it. Otherwise, it would have been content to wallow in the savage filth of Leviticus, Numbers, and Judges (and, for that matter, the writings of Paul) until kingdom come. Break the yoke of orthodoxy today, and black liberals of faith will be able to make their voices heard.
It is, I think, almost delusory to think that the black vote can be kept as a Democrat bloc, and outright racist to work towards that goal. We can almost measure our progress towards an egalitarian society by how rapidly the Dem majority in the black community disintegrates. The GOP of today, while a very long way from being a paragon of egalitarianism, is still not the GOP of 1956. That there are black Republicans at all, and in numbers large enough that they can’t all just be confused, proves that our efforts to shift the country to the left have forced the right to compensate, and if we don’t give up the fight now, they will be forced to compensate further. In any event, a society in which ethnic and party lines are identical or even similar is not a worthy goal.
On a purely practical level, I don’t think a mass exodus of homophobic blacks to the GOP is likely to last long at this point. The GOP, while much improved over the last fifty years, is still deeply racist, and all but the most fanatical black homophobe is not going to be able to ignore the frequency with which “nigger” escapes from Republican lips in private conversation. (And as an ex-Republican, I can assure you that I heard it a lot from my peers before I jumped ship; it’s almost a sport among them.) Even fanatical bigots know when they are being cynically used.
The counter-argument that is often argued, that the black church is necessary to keep the black community from spiralling downwards into chaos, is IMHO utter bullshit, and insulting to boot. It is also the same cynical crap that the Catholic Church spouted when it was challenged by the Reformation. Decent, honest, hard-working people don’t need religion to hold their shit together, and there is no shortage of decent, honest, hard-working people among American blacks. A religious schism will only harm the parasitical church hierarchy. It cannot harm any true religion of love or its adherents.
This could have major political ramifications because there is a difference between the black and white communities regarding church/state issues. In the black community, the churches have long been political organizers and activators. In white America, religious involvement with politics has historically been discouraged, and has really only gotten a foothold on the national level in the last 30 years. So when we talk about a schism in the black faith community, we are also talking directly about the black political community as well.
Liberals (my(atheist)self included) must be careful when we talk about keeping religion out of politics that we are sensitive to the role black churches have played in the politics of the black community.
All that being said, I don’t see what the Democratic Party or any of us could do to heal this schism. Part of my own concern getting involved in this is that there is a dynamic in the African American community that I don’t entirely understand… something about male-male sex “on the down-low” that still manages to villainize homosexuality even while men engage in homosexual sex (or so I’ve been led to believe).
Don’t get me wrong, I think that what Rev. Wilson said and the threats against Rev. McCray are disgusting and abhorrent, and I think Rev. McCray should be applauded and protected. I also think the Democratic party needs to engage the Black community more honestly and fully on every level, every issue. But I can’t write specifically about how to deal with this particular schism.
I also posted on this on your Daily Kos diary:
I am watching these politics of division right here in Brooklyn. A friend, Chris Owens, who is running for Congress (NY-11). He is religious, but he is also very progressive and hence pro-gay rights. His opponants are gathering against him (not all have announced, but their names are floating around) and some are attacking him at the black chruches for his pro-gay stands. This has the potential of hurting him very much.
His way of dealing with it is refreshingly direct–he is trying to bring black gay men to the black churches to initiate a dialogue. I think these kinds of dialogues are the only way to bridge the divides that are opening up in the left–divides that we create ourselves but the right exploits with wedge issues. I am trying to do the same kind of dialogue beteen labor and neighborhood/environmental groups about development issues. If we all just draw our lines in the sand, we will remain divided. So seeing a politician starting a dialogue between two divided groups is refreshing. Hope it works!