I’m in the market for a new desktop so I figured I’d post a thread here about it because it’d be sweet to get recommendations from the community before I drop a bundle.
I’ve been using a Dell Dimension 8100 for the past several years. I haven’t been impressed and I’d rather not buy another Dell. About 5 months after I got this thing new direct from the factory, the power supply went kaput and I had to wait 10 days before they could get a tech out with the right part to fix it. I’ve become increasingly perturbed with the inability of the factory staff to have installed all the software in a non-conflicting manner, plus I am one of only like 6 people on the planet running Windows ME. It was very hard to find more RAM for this machine, and I ultimately took the chips out from my roommate’s old Dell — which, because I’m running ME and ME cannot handle 1GB of RAM, I had to use to replace instead of augment my factory-installed RAM. Grr.
And then just recently, one of my fans started making a heinous noise. When I went to replace it I discovered that even this cheapy plastic $9 part is proprietary and I’d have to overpay & wait for it through Dell. That was annoying but what pissed me off was when I busted open my roommate’s old Dell to raid it for parts again, the damn fan from her system (built within 6 months of mine) wasn’t even compatible because it had a different plastic housing and a different attachment fixture. So that fan is sitting in my machine very precariously as I post this. GRR.
Hence my decision that Dell can go screw itself.
I flirted briefly with the idea of building my own system but sadly I am just not geeky enough for the task. I know what a motherboard is and I know where it goes, but if you handed me 5 random ones I couldn’t begin to tell you which one I’d want. So I’ve been shopping around for new customizable systems and I realized that the past few years I’ve been so preoccupied with the health issues in my life that I’ve fallen way behind on the tech market. I have no idea who’s putting together a good desktop now. I don’t know enough about the performance and reliability of processor chips that compete with Intel, nor am I up to date on cards and other options.
Mostly I use the computer to: write novels, email & surf the ‘net, listen to music & burn CDs, play games (not much of yer fancy-shmancy kiddie 3d stuff; I am Old School, baby), keep track of my financial crap, and play with digital photography and video. Occasionally I do other things, like my tax return or whatever, but it’s all pretty standard stuff.
I can’t be talked into a Mac, so you Fruit Cult People can ease up before you even get started. Nothing personal. I like Apple, I really do — I learned how to <s>hack into the phone company</s> use my first desktop in the early 80s on a Mac and I’ll always remember that fondly — but too many of the <s>games I play</s> applications I prefer aren’t available off the PC.
Alienware is sexy as hell but still too pricey. Sony also costs more than I’m willing to pay.
Gateway appears to making some reasonably priced machines but I don’t know anything about them as a company. I’m not crazy about HP‘s customer service but I do have a couple of their printers and a digital camera that I like a lot, and HP is also making fairly reasonably priced machines. As of right now, I’m strongly considering the Pavilion d4100y.
So here are my questions, seeking your answers:
- HP — quality or crapola?
- Gateway — are you a fan or a critic?
- (If you want to shill for some other company I don’t know about, please include a link.)
- Should I be willing to pay extra for Windows XP Media Center or is XP Home basically the same excrement for slightly less money?
- Do I need to pay for an Intel chip or is AMD an acceptable less expensive choice? What about this dual core stuff? Sounds cool but is it the Next Big Thing in processors or is it just something that sounds cool and costs more money? Any particular chip recommendations?
- Is it still a bad idea to get any kind of integrated sound or video? Last I knew that was a thing to avoid, and it was better to get individual sound card and video card.
- Is Soundblaster’s Audigy 2 ZS a good sound card?
- How about Raedon & NVIDIA video cards — is one categorically better than the other or is it all about the performance of the individual model/specs of the card? What is the function of a DVI and TV-Out, and do I need a graphics card that has these things if I also want a TV/FM tuner so I can make my PC do that groovy TIVO trick?
- Do I really have no more need for a 3.5 floppy drive? (As small as it seems, this is probably the thing that makes me feel most like I am not in Kansas anymore, Toto. How the hell do you boot the thing when it gets sick? Will they boot off CD/DVD now? Jeebus, I remember when there was no hard drive and you had to store data on a cassette — in the dark and snow, uphill both ways. You kids and your crazy new-fangled technologification. I totally want one of those 9-in-1 media card readers, though, those are nifty.)
Okay, so any and all advice is greatly appreciated — even if you just want to chime in and say how much you love or hate your particular desktop, that could be useful. Thanks in advance.
How the hell do I make the html strike code thinger work? :: bangs keyboard :: Is this thing on?
you can add anti virus and other software as needed, I have been working with Tiger direct for more than 8 years and they have yet to disappoint me.
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TAX:
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Thanks so much, ghostdancers way! I want a few different components than the ones you selected (more expensive ones, natch, like 1GB RAM and a bigger hard drive — and can I choose my own sound & video cards and add a TV Tuner?), but Tiger Direct, you say? I’ll keep it bookmarked and check them out more thoroughly after I see what all this thread turns up. Thanks again for the recommendation!
want, plus you can call the 800 number to custom build what you want.
They offer lots of variety.
Ok, before I rant on about my geeky-recos, you just MUST answer me this one question:
ME??? ME??? Why in the fucking hell are you using this peice of shit beta version that MS made people pay money for to debug XP?? Why?? Why Friend, why??
If you have an excellent reason I apologize in advance, but please, before I can recommend anything in terms of hardware, you have to promise me that you will get rid of that peice of shit OS? k?
the worst freakin OS that has ever been tried and pushed upon the geeks of the world.
XP pro comes with the unit I found.
If someone can find one for less with the same features good luck hunting.
No fucking kidding. When I got this Dell, ME was the new thing and XP wasn’t even out yet, which gives you an idea of how long I’ve had it and why it’s time for a new desktop. I didn’t choose ME. It came pre-installed and mostly just made me wish for 98 again, lol.
My roommate got her Dell 6 mos later and it came with XP. At first, I really hated XP so I refused to upgrade. I meant it when I said I’m old school, and what I didn’t like about XP was that I couldn’t muck around with any semblance of DOS anymore. :: cries :: Anyway, now I know I’m pretty much stuck with XP, so it’s all about choosing a version. Bleh.
is the only way I’d go, IMHO. Tiger is one, and Monarch and Sub300.com also have good reputations among the geeks I talk to. Meself, I got my rig at the neighborhood mom & pop computer joint a couple of years ago and have been entirely happy with it since. A few things went awry early on, like cooling that couldn’t take the Chicago summer heat, but I just brought it back to the show four blocks away and got it fixed by a real live person who knew how to do more than read a script and tell me to reboot Windows.
I use Linux as my OS, so going independent also meant I didn’t have to pay the MS tax for software I didn’t plan to use, the way I’d have to at Dell or Gateway, to say nothing of the prepackaged “brands” like HP. You seem to actually want Windows, so this wouldn’t be an advantage for you.
Anyway, I got an AMD Athlon 1800+ processor, Nvidia video card, and onboard Creative soundcard, all of which work fine. I’m no geek, unfortunately, but Linux users have to pay attention to hardware, so I’ve developed some opinions anyhow. AMD really seems to offer more bang for the buck at the moment. The Athlon64 is top of the line, but I don’t know if MS has anything out yet that can make use of its 64bit powers. Sempron is their lower-priced line and differs from the 64 mainly in its cache sizes. If you go AMD and want the current crop, you want 939 socket chips. The rest are, or soon will be, obsolescent.
My geek acquaintances say that the onboard sound/video card disadvantage is no longer clear, and may even have reversed in some configurations. I’ve been window shopping lately, and could get a machine that’s way more capable than I need for under $1000 at one of the independent custom joints, or a realistically adequate one for $600-$700. YMMV if you have to run the latest greatest bloodspatter games at top speed and rez.
Thanks so much for the feedback, DaveW. It’s very helpful to know that about the Athlon64. The system I’ve tentatively priced is about $1000 (plus the LCD monitor I want) but reconfiguring with an AMD might knock a little off that.
Want Windows? No…just made my peace with it for games I like to play. I’m chronically ill and stuck at home a lot, so computer games get a fair amount of play around here. Not the bloodspattery kinds, but they do keep making the sim/strategy games I like pretty much dependent on Windows. C’est la vie. 🙂