Just sit down and shut up, quit rocking the boat….Amy Sullivan sort of threatens women’s rights groups that if they don’t go along with the moderates in the party they won’t get their backing on supreme court nominees. But that is at the very end, where I shall put it.
How pro-choice groups are hurting the Democrats- — and their own cause
By Amy Sullivan | September 25, 2005
IT’S NOT EASY being pro-choice these days. The issue, for people like me, isn’t certitude–we don’t question that the decision to end a pregnancy should be left up to a woman and her doctor. And it isn’t that we represent a minority view–55 percent of Americans believe abortion should be legal in all or most circumstances. No, the problem is abortion rights groups themselves, who can always be counted on to say or do something sufficiently extreme that it makes it just that much harder for the rest of us to defend our position out in the public square.
SIGNAL AND NOISE: Pro-choice protestors shout at anti-abortion protestors during a march for women’s rights in Washington, April 25, 2004. (Reuters Photo / John Pryke)
Before I posted this I did some back up reading on Amy Sullivan. Overall the article would have been pretty decent, but she blew it when she started in on NARAL. The tone was so much of a religiously oriented view, that I checked her bio. One of her many degrees is from Harvard Divinity School. Some of her articles I have liked, some I have not. I did not care for the tone of this one.
I saw in one article she is a “lapsed” Southern Baptist, and that I relate to very much. I tend to call myself a “recovering” Southern Baptist with a long way to go. I don’t care for this article, and I think it is rather a putdown (whether meant to be or not).
Just a few snips from it….I will highlight the closing paragraph.
The groups’ most common tactic is to label the pro-life position ”intolerant” and ”misogynistic” at best, and in cahoots with violent extremists at worst. And when they’re not demonizing their opponents, they’re busy mocking them. Although many religious Americans consider abstinence an acceptable moral and personal choice, in the rhetoric of abortion rights advocates it becomes prudish and unnecessary. Earlier this summer NARAL’s Washington affiliate held what was advertised as a ”Screw Abstinence Party”; last year, the Pennsylvania affiliate urged members to send ”chastity belts” to state legislators in protest of the state’s ”Chastity Awareness Week.”
In addition to alienating moderates, choice groups also make it hard for their friends to trust them by relying on misleading appeals and arguments. When the partial-birth abortion debate first emerged, they insisted that the procedure in question (dilation and extraction) was used only a few hundred times each year, and only in the most tragic of caseswhen a fetus had severe abnormalities that threatened its mother’s health. Democratic senators dutifully trotted out and repeated these arguments, only to learn several months later that the procedure is in fact used thousands of times each year (usually in the second trimester) and for any number of reasons. (Amy, you need to provide some research on this.)
But the final straw came when Senate Democrats acted on this advice and recruited pro-life Democrat Bob Casey to run against Rick Santorum for Pennsylvania’s Senate seat in 2006.
Pro-choice advocates lashed out. National Organization for Women president Kim Gandy called out Kerry and Dean by name, and declared: ”If that’s what it means to have a big tent, if it means abandoning the core principles of our party, if it means throwing women’s rights overboard like so much ballast…then I say let’s keep the skunk out of the tent.” The political director of Emily’s List, the fundraising group that has been one of the biggest sources of support for many Democratic candidates, complained, ”We fought like mad to beat back the Republicans. Little did we know that we would have just as much to fear from some within the Democratic Party.”
The word soon went out that Casey would get no support from women’s groups, and powerful donors were encouraged to refrain from giving to his campaign. The race appears to have become a test case for many in the pro-choice community. They would rather see Casey lose than defeat Santorum, perhaps the Senate’s most vociferous abortion opponent.”
And the last paragraph that really turned me off. Sounds like a veiled threat to me.
Amy Sullivan is an editor of The Washington Monthly.
But now that NARAL and even Planned Parenthood are toeing the line more, and not being too “pushy” (deals made?) I guess everything will be ok. The party will take care of us. And I guess Emily’s List is falling in line as well.
Oh, and a big PS to Amy. That protest you mention in the picture caption had about a million women there. Careful unless you have that many on your side.
I am so fucking sick of the abortion debate. It is bottom line simple. I don’t tell you what to do about it, you don’t tell me. Practictioners and services MUST be available for those who choose abortion FOR WHATEVER FUCKING REASON. I am sick to death of this. Sick.
I chose to have my elder son, hell, I even met a guy who was so awesome I agreed to have another one! But it all comes down to this:
I am me and my circumstances are mine. Not anyone else’s. If someone had come to me during those first two weeks after I found out I was pregnant with my elder son and handed me religous literature or fucking bogus bullshit about breast cancer or some fucking peice of shit lecture about the virtues of abstinence, I would have gone off in a not so pretty way.
Thankfully for me, there was a goddamned CHOICE to be made. I made it. Mine. My choice. As I said the other day, people who would ponitifcate to women about how to make that choice are targets of my utter contempt, my full wrath.
I love my kiddos, but I have had to sacrifice for them, and I had resources, money socked away, and education (several in fact) AND i had always wanted to have kids eventually.
Many women have none of these things. They should not and WILL NOT, as I live and breathe, be forced back into the “no choice” pen.
Thrid Way can kiss my happy ass.
Thank you floridagirl for tolerating this rant in your diary — I love your stuff from women’s right to hurricanes — you rock!
You most certainly can.
Thanks, hon — I just get so fucking pissed off, I feel the need to warn people!
“It’s not easy to be pro-choice these days” — give me a big huge crack the damned eath open break!
Women like this Ms. Amy Sullivan need to be smacked upside the head with some fucking reality bats.
You said for us all….
Though most people who know me don’t believe it I was raised in a time and in a culture in which “good” women did not make waves. If you disagreed with someone, you kept it to yourself.
In college, I hand-lettered a sign that I posted in my room. It read “Sit down, shut up, be quiet, God dammit.”
Later, when I was more “Liberated,” I had a sign on my refrigerator that said “May I have my rights, please. If it’s not too much trouble.”
Maybe because I held it in so long, I can no longer be silent. There are lots of things that can be done to reduce the number of abortions and most of them are good, progressive things. Like universal health care, sex ed, better family leave and child care options etc. etc. So all of that is fine with me.
But if anybody thinks they are going to sacrifice a woman’s right to choose on the altar of political expediency I’m going to speak out. Loudly. Aggressively, if need be.
Fuck that shit. If people don’t want to be called misogynists, they shouldn’t act like misogynists(OOOOOh, that felt good.)
Thanks, Florida Gal.
Forget about your rights, because they’re way too much trouble, so we’re all getting new signs now.

LOL. Or maybe crying out loud.
If people don’t want to be called misogynists, they shouldn’t act like misogynists
It’s not just what Marge Piercy called that “damp, doggy hatred of women” I sense in some of these folks, men and women alike, it’s the class contempt. They know that there are millions of women who simply do not have the resources to raise a child by themselves and most of these folks have dedicated their political careers to making quite certain that they won’t be inconvenienced by a responsibility towards the poor. They, religious institutions, centrist dems and republicans alike evince daily a contempt and indifference towards the poor, a contempt which does not even bother to include them in mandatory evacuations or account to the fact thjat millions of people in this country find themselves without a place to live every year. So they take a ‘moral’ stance which is guaranteed to exacerbate suffering and rapidly increase the problem and offer nothing as in the way of an effective solution or even a plan.
Democrats for life has produced a plan which does not even speak to the poor at all. Nor does it speak to the established fact that a male is at least just as responsible for each and every unwanted pregnancy as the woman involved. It’s like they haven’t paid any attention at all to why women get abortions. Indeed we know they haven’t because part of their stupid plan is to study why women get abortions as if we already didn’t know and had not been studying that for decades.
Amy Sullivan needs to find work in another field and DFL needs to change parties.
Excellent comments.
and now that you mention it, I didn’t see girlfriend Amy there.
Probably just missed her in the crowd.
Great catch, floridagal and I’m sorry not to be able to support your diary with a comment or two at Kos, too. I tried several times, but the “Preview” and “Post” buttons won’t work for me on your diary.
the link to Amy Sullivan.
and civil rights activists had listened to people like Sullivan, then we would be an even more backwards country than we are now.
It took a long time for women to get the vote, and there were, and always will be people like Amy Sullivan. That’s why we have to drown them out with our voices.
and civil rights activists had listened to people like Sullivan…
Unfortunately John Kerry did listen to Amy Sullivan and the results were predictably abysmal. He would have done better consulting with Bill Clinton who, despite the fact that Bill managed to screw the poor and women on a regular basis, at least knew how to sweet talk effectively.
that what you see depends on where you stand. This diary’s exposure of the blatant callousness with which too many politicians and pundits (and, if I am to be totally honest, even some members of major pro-choice advocacy groups) regard the lives of flesh-and-blood women at risk — along with its mention of the 2004 March for Women’s Lives — brings the truth of that saying home to me once again.
As I marched along in the crowd on that sunny Saturday in April, snapping pictures along the way, this amazing juxtaposition drew my eye . . .
. . . and expresses more than words ever could the reality of abortion politics in this country today.
Why is this “Honored Guest” of the March committee smiling, let alone turning her back, when she’s within touching distance of the Rev. Donald Spitz, the spiritual adviser to executed murderer Paul Hill and the closest thing to a Commander-in-Chief that exists within the Army of God?
Why? Simply because she didn’t really see him. She’s so uninvolved in the realities of the abortion issue at any real level that she didn’t have the slightest idea of who or what that anonymous man in the street really was, smilingly passing him by without so much as a sidelong glance.
Maybe she thinks she understands the issues faced by women like me and by the women we help to serve — not just political pawns or talking points, but real women in real life.
I saw something different when I took this picture, because I stood in a different place. And what I saw is that she and too damned many other people are just as clueless as Amy Sullivan.
Thank you for the links. I can only imagine what Spitz was saying as the “honored guest” smiled and walked past him…
… about how we were all going to burn in hell.
I recognized several other AOG members that day, just mingling in with the crowds on the Mall and on the sidewalks after the March was over. They all support the wacky idea that the Bible sanctifies the murder of doctors who do abortions, and one of them from Knoxville, TN, even has started his own militia, and maintains a website where he posts photos of women who are patients at abortion-providing clinics in Knoxville.
Really creepy people.
Their sites are scary.
Family values?
hate is a family value. And they all have big families.
There’s something the Democratic Party needs to keep in mind — women like me. I will NOT, under any circumstances, vote for an anti-choice candidate. I don’t care what other blogs, elected officials, etc. tell me — I’m not buying. Choice my bottom-line issue. I don’t think I’m the only person who feels that way.
Also, it’s the job of groups like NARAL to take an absolute stance, just like it’s the NRA’s job to take a hard-line stance on gun ownership. I’m sick of reading stuff by “journalists” who cannot grasp this simple reality. Instead of being horrified by NARAL, maybe Ms. Sullivan should take a few minutes to think about what they’re supposed to be doing.
Finally, it amazes me that NARAL is constantly painted as a bunch of extremists, when people are murdering doctors to “save” something that isn’t even theirs.
grrrr….
Finally, it amazes me that NARAL is constantly painted as a bunch of extremists
The folks doing this are dishonest and have an agenda of their own which has nothing to do with winning elections and everything to do with forcing their religious views down our collective throats. They’re fully aware that by a wide (and for a Democrat, enviable) margin the American people don’t wish to see Roe overturned just like they’re aware that they have no fucking plan to care for the millions of children they would insist be born to women who cannot afford to raise them. They even refuse to discuss any of this.
I’ve never voted for someone who didn’t support choice, and I intend to keep it that way. And after drinking for the first time in 3 years in order to vote for John Kerry, I’m done voting for people who don’t staunchly defend equality for gays too. Done. If the Democrats want my vote they can put up true progressives, otherwise I’m finished, finito, voting third party, writing in, creating ballot graffiti, whatever.
It never fails to astonish me why people think it is a good thing to make reproduction mandatory. What the F are they thinking? So you have a reluctant and maybe- almost certainly – a woman who has no choice? Is this going to make a nicey-nicey middleclassy home for this UNWANTED child? NO ,it is not. What it is more likely to result in is TWO or MORE very unhappy people– but then what? The eponymous ‘conservatives ‘can bitch and moan about welfare queens and feel all virtuous because they would never,never have got themselves in such a fix.MY ASS – they can buy their way out of it,cause Daddy ‘knows’ someone.Like I said, sometime back- ‘Looks like we will have to start up another underground railroad’.
PS—- Goddammit
i’ve seen the metaphor used lately that the democratic party is a big tent and we need to welcome people who support enslaving women by denying them their right to control their own bodies into it. pro choice IS BOTH SIDES of the debate. it’s pro (fetal) life thats the extreme position. (peanut! u rock!) im willing to coexist with voters who would not utlize their right to abortion as long as they respect my right to get one if i choose! after all thats what choice is about. everyone has free will. everyone decides whats best for them by examining, with their health care provider, their unique set of circumstances.
after all, you can be for choice and still not believe in abortion. no one that is pro choice has a problem with that. its when those who don’t believe in that right to choose try to impose their morality on me that i have a problem.
i say what’s left of the democratic party is really more like a lifeboat than a tent.
the people who own it dont want it rocked. they want us to be be still and not move while they let others on.
but i say if they ask someone who is against human rights to join, and face the facts, pro (fetal) life people are against my human rights,
we rock the fucking boat until it sinks.
and maybe in the next round of elections, they’ll pay more attention to what the base wants. instead of trying to control us from above.
lets send them a message this upcoming election year. respect our rights as women, or else.
if the democratic party doesnt support me? i don’t support the democratic party.
end of story.
The Democrat party, like all political parties, is all about the getting and keeping of power. Constituent groups are of interest only if they are seen as either useful or a threat. Progressive women are no longer seen as useful because the dems believe we have to vote for them, no matter what they do or who they run. So I think you are absolutely right that the only way we are going to get dems to pay attention to us is to become a threat.
But it needs to go beyond voting. Anyone who normally gives money to dems should stop giving it and make sure that the party knows why. In fact, we ought to take every opportunity we get to let the dems know they are losing us. Other things to do: if Green candidates are running, we should support them; if there is a progressive candidate running as alternative to a repub-lite democrat in the primary (like in PA), we should support that candidate; and most of all, we should keep being angry, ranting bitches so that every democrat out there who believed we were ‘easy’ starts fearing for his balls.
so I should probably just keep my mouth shut, but I’ve never been too good at that.
I think I understand this debate about strategy, the “big tent” vs. the “be true to principles” argument. I’m not sure who’s right; in fact I am deeply skeptical about the Democratic Party’s ability to bring about any meaningful change. Humphrey would have been better than Nixon; Kerry would have been better than Bush; neither would have brought true justice to American society or to American foreign policy.
So I’m not here to take sides.
However, I’m saddened by the personal attacks on Amy Goodman, because over the past few weeks I’ve been listening to five podcasts a week of her Democracy Now! reports, and no journalist I know of is doing anything remotely close to what she and Juan Gonzalez are doing to tell the truth about the politics behind current events in the U.S. and in U.S. foreign policy.
I know from listening to her work that she is a true progressive, and not at all some sort of beltway Democrat.
Given that, I think she deserves more courtesy and respect than I see her getting here. If she’s wrong, tell her why. Invite her to a debate. Ask her to explain herself. But, friends, she’s on our side; she’s an ally.
I don’t see the value of us knifing each other in family quarrels when we are almost literally surrounded by neofascists who for the last quarter century have been cleaning our clocks and stealing America.
Sorry. Up way too late.
I have no idea who Amy Sullivan is.
I still think civility has a lot going for it.
Need to sleep.
I had that same mix-up when I first read the title last night under sleep-deprived conditions… 🙂
Very nice of you to say so, CabinGirl.
The difference is, you didn’t go ahead and write a diary based on a deluded misreading.
‘diary comment‘
Civil, huh? Yeah, it has a lot going for it, but my call for the reality bat to be wielded is mild in terms of what I really think of these people.
How civil is it to moralize to others when it is obvious that you are not interested in the REALITIES of individual circumstance?
How civil is it to make a woman wait for 24 hours after coming into a clinic to have a procedure done, when you can be DAMNED sure that she has thought about it for ten times as long?
How civil is it to push religious propganda and misinformation into the hands of deperate women who are in the midst of a heart-wrenching time of their life?
How civil is it to blanket a woman with shame and guilt, when what she needs is support and understanding?
I could go on, but I think I’ve made my point.
I may be convinced to return to MY VERSION of civility when people like Amy Sullivan, the Third Way and the Democrats for Life get over their complete and utter disregard for the REALITIES of women’s (not to mention children’s and men’s) LIVES.
I am not telling them how to make their decisions, they need to stop thinking that they have any right to tell ANYONE else how to make theirs.
last quarter century have been cleaning our clocks and stealing America.
Are you talking about the Democrats or Republicans?
I don’t see the value of us knifing each other in family quarrels
You should direct this toward Ms. Goodman. Simon Rosenberg (NDN) says that the role of advocacy groups is to influence the legislature. As Democrats invite more and more pro-lifers into the “tent”, clearly NARAL has a problem, don’t you think? So, IMO, Ms. Goodman should have kept her kvetching “in the family”.
Eh, Amy SULLIVAN is a self-billed “leading expert in politics and religion”. I’m not so sure she’s “family”.
Me neither. But Amy GOODMAN is family.
Are you talking about the Democrats or Republicans?
Well, I was thinking of the Republican hegemony since Reagan, but now that you mention it . . . .
You should direct this toward Ms. Goodman.
Sullivan, not Goodman. My mistake, originally. As I said above, I’ve no idea who Amy Sullivan is.
As I said above, I’ve no idea who Amy Sullivan is.
Amy Goodman=Democracy Now, clear thinking advocate and leader
Amy Sullivan= overrated, overpaid, inept ‘strategist’ and consultant. John Kerry’s bizarre notion of woman’s outreach. Tries to bridge the culture wars gap by shoving her religious views down our collective throats while avoiding the difficult questions. idiot.
What kind of twisted logic tells this person that she can threaten women with conservative judges? The democrats are ALREADY VOTING FOR CONSERVATIVE JUDGES. We have nothing else to lose. They have everything to lose when we stop voting for them.
I’d like to see them win an election without us. In fact I would like to see the women of Pa, democratic and republican get together form a party and vote for a pro-choice candidate of our own.
No fucking way I wanted the “biological necessity” foisted onto them. They had the right to choice but I wonder if my granddaughters will.