Wolfowitz, now President of the World Bank, was in Paris for a couple of days and he gave a press conference a few minutes ago. As a banker in (formerly?) good standing, I had the opportunity to join that press conference – and to put a couple of questions to him on behalf of DailyKos.com. (I chose dK over ET or BT in the hope that more journalists around would take note the “blogging” part)
- for the record, can you say when you knew that there were no WMDs in Iraq?
- what do you say about the US habit of putting abortion-riders on help for Africa?
First, a couple of pictures (via my phone, sorry for the quality):
Before I give you his answers, which came near the end of the press conference, let me summarise the whole thing for you.
This was organised by the European-American Press Club and the audience was a mix of French and Paris-based international journalists, as well as a smattering of bankers and corporate guys invited by the law firm that helped sponsor the event – thus my presence.
Wolfowitz made a short 10-minute speech and then answered questions from the floor. Below is a reconstitution of what was said from my notes. It’s not necessarily verbatim, but it is accurate as far as I can remember it.
His speech
He started by noting the importance of the current Doha round of trade talks. He stressed that agricultural subsidies are very damaging to growth in the emerging markets and that it is very important to reduce them. He noted that lowering industrial bareers would also help development.
After suggesting some estimates of the potential gains (he gave the USD 300 billion figure), he also noted that emerging countries also had a lot to do to eliminate obstacles between themwelsves and within countries. He gave the example of a lorry loaded with goods which, on the road from Abidjan (Cote d’Ivoire) to Lago (Nigeria), has to go through 69 checkpoints.
He noted that Africa was the focus of the World Bank and that it was a good thing to be in Paris as there was no need to explain here how important Africa is (he was coming out of a meeting with Chirac). Poverty is twice as prevalent as 20 years ago on the continent, and 300 million people live with less than a dollar a day.
He was in Paris the day befroe for a joint WB/WHO/French government conference on the UN Millenium healthcare initiative and repeated that preventable diseases and AIDS were absolute priorities.
He noted that the World Bank was a very important and very sound instituion, and that it played a vital role with most African countries which are utterly dependent on its aid.
It also has a role to play in the coordination of the reaction to the avian flu, to support the costs associated with prevention measures (estimated at 1-1.5 billion dollars).
As president of the World Bank, he acknowledged the vital necessity to coordinate work with countries like France and institutions like the European Commission in Brussels.
Altogether, a very diplomatic and unsurprising discourse.
The Q&A
French TV: you said two years ago that France needed to be punished for its attitude on Iraq. Now you meet Chirac in the middle of riots. What did you tell him?
A: I hope they are only a temporary phenomenon. We’ve had our own episodes of troubles in the 60s and 80s and I certainly am in no position to give lessons. France is a great country and I am sure it will solve its problems.
Reuters: what do you think of the fact that a 100 billion dollar debt relief package for Iraq was put in place in record time, when the rich countries have so much trouble putting in place a smaller package for African countries that presumably need it more?
A: well, Iraq is different, it was Paris-club debt [i.e. bilateral government to government] linked to arms purchases. African debt relief is a multilateral effort involving the WB, which certainly needs to be pushed.
French Radio: What do you think of Chirac’s proposal for a tax on air traffic to finance the fight against AIDS?
R: The Director of WHO says that for AIDS, the problem is not money but the capacity for the healthcare systems of these countries to absorb it. The WB is working to improve the healthcare systems there.
Newsweek: You’ve been instrumental in starting the war in Iraq, which has cost upwards of $100 billion, and much less is made available for Africa. Don’t you regret that decision?
A: Question about Iraq come only when I do press conferences in the USA or Europe. Elsewhere, people are more interested in what the WB is doing. But Iraq is a fundamental fight, as demonstrated again recently in Jordan. These people are killers and we must fight them. Look at the heroes of last 30 January who took real risks to vote.
[a couple of questions on Africa and development which I missed]
He notes that there are two groups in the USA that care about what’s going on in Africa (and what the WB does): the African immigrants, and the evangelicals.
Here I go
Q: Jerome G., blogging for dailykos.com: what do you say about the US habit of putting abortion-riders on help for Africa? And, for the record, can you say when you knew that there were no WMDs in Iraq?
A: (slightly embarrassed) “I know only what the intelligence consensus told me. Going back over 15 years, everybody thought that there were WMDs. There are still lots we don’t know. There was lots of destructing stuff and lots of hiding stuff, so we still don’t know. I am telling you categorically that, when planning the war, our biggest fear was that WMDs would be used. Thus our need for speed and surprise. Again, this was the conclusion of 15 years of intelligence going back to the Clinton Presidency. I don’t know if there are WMDs in Iraq or not.”
“On abortion, this is more a congressional than an administration issue, not that I speak for either. There are no restrictions in the funds allocated by the USA to the WB. It is “unfortunate” that obstacles are put in the use of funds for abortion related reasons.”
There was one last question which I missed, and the press conference ended. Wolfowitz talked with a couple of people and was led to another room for an interview with CNN’s Jim Bittermann (who was co-organiser of the event) – so check it out and if anyone sees it, feedback will be appreciated.
So there, my début as journalist!
Altogether, he was mostly diplomatic and unsurprising. He was slightly annoyed at the number of questions about Iraq at first, but then he came back to the topic on his own to defend Bushco’s policies. I found him a bit embarrassed by my questions, but then that’s maybe some projection of mine. I was actually surprised that he answered anything on the WMD question, even if it was to peddle a debunked absurdity – as the whole think was in front of several TVs (although I doubt it was live).
I am especially proud to have spoken explicitly on behalf of bloggers – we’re going places, people!
Fabulous job Jerome. That he still believes there may be WMD is absolutely pathetic. Didn’t he get the memo that none were foundand the intelligence was manipulated?
Not so fast, alohaleezy. What makes you say that Wolfowitz’s statement about WMD represents what he believes? Let’s assume for a minute that Paul Wolfowitz, who’s not an idiot, signed on to the whole WMD thing entirely for political reasons. What’s he going to say at this point? “We lied”? “We were wrong”?
I’m sure Wolfowitz feels he needs to keep his credibility, and neither of the actually plausible explanations for his behavior in the run up to the war — mendacity or incompetence — really does much for his credibility.
I read Wolfowitz’s statement as 100% political. That being said, the fact that this is the best he can do from a political perspective is, itself, deeply pathetic.
Yes, I DO want someone, anyone from the cabal to finally blow the whistle. I know I am living in a fantacy world wanting that but I keep hoping. Someone out there has to have integrity and put the GD self serving politics aside. As I type people are dying and that really disgusts me.
The most unfortunate aspect about Wolfowitz possibly still believing WMD may exist in Iraq is that, whether he believes such nonsense or not, his position on and enthusiasm for the war he helped start will remain unchanged regardless.
We know they were there. We didn’t find them. So they still must be there.
Logic, you know!
Congratulations, Jerome! Great job. Although I’m worried that the law firm may freeze you out next time 🙂
One thing I’ll have to say for him: At least he knows the topics, and gives comprehensible answers, as opposed to a certain president and many senators.
His ideology aside, what kind of marks is he getting so far for tackling these problems that he describes rather well?
Thanks, Jerome, you are doing a very valuable job. I think both of the above coments are accurate. If he said otherwise, he would be impacating himself in the affair of lies; therefore, making himself guilty in it. Again thanks.
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Sounds not only much better than dKos blogging, you could have handed him a set of handcuffs strike that Frog March t-shirts – would really have gotten you in the news.
PS Great job Jerôme and congrats!
“Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”
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This is the scary part:
He notes that there are two groups in the USA that care about what’s going on in Africa (and what the WB does): the African immigrants, and the evangelicals.
Yeah… Pat Robertson was really concerned that deposing the Dictator in Liberia would ruin his slave driven diamond mines.
…I guess he missed the part about the anti-Globalization activists…
As per the abortion riders… I would like to see the proof.
People say that Wolfowitz has changed but this proves he is still the same neocon as he ever was.
I know only what the intelligence consensus told me. Going back over 15 years, everybody thought that there were WMDs. There are still lots we don’t know. There was lots of destructing stuff and lots of hiding stuff, so we still don’t know. I am telling you categorically that, when planning the war, our biggest fear was that WMDs would be used. Thus our need for speed and surprise. Again, this was the conclusion of 15 years of intelligence going back to the Clinton Presidency. I don’t know if there are WMDs in Iraq or not.
One can pick out the BushCo. talking points in that nearly incoherent spew, sort of like being able to identify bits of food in a pool of vomit (sorry for the unpleasant metaphor, but I really hate that SOB). But aside from wondering if he meant “distracting” or if he was guilty of a Bushism in the first bolded passage, I have to say that the one of the few coherent statements is also the one that makes the least sense. “Thus our need for speed and surprise”? Between the decision to go to war and the commencement of hostilities, there was at least a year, and everyone knew exactly what BushCo. had in mind by July of 2002. Just where the hell was the surprise? (I assume the “speed” is meant to be a rationalization for cutting off weapons inspections.)
Sounds to me like he was rather nonplussed by these questions, which I must say doesn’t speak well for his common sense. He’s going to be asked questions like this for the rest of his life.
I must say I’m really embarrassed and ashamed that someone of such intellectual shallowness and moral banktruptcy should have ever held a position of influence with regards to US foreign policy. One can only hope that somehow he’ll be less of a malignancy in his current job, but I’m not optimistic.
Excellent questions. And thanks for giving him some uncomfortable moments.
Good questions, and points to you for having the courage to ask them.
A friend of mine, now long retired, was for many years a mid-level officer of the World Bank, which has done some good despite its bad reputation. He, and his wife, worked hard and long to help people in the country where they were posted. They did as much as they could to serve the people of the region, and still maintain friendly connections with some all these years later. They are also very pained to see someone as slimy as Wolfowitz heading that institution.
I hope you get invited to the next such political-financial meeting. If you are excluded, ask pointedly why the organizers are afraid of questioners who address the real world and the truth.
Jerome. Those scenes are very formal and can be intimidating but you spoke well and asked direct questions. Wolfie did betterthan expected but he is protected by his post. As for being allowed in next time, you’re in France,not Amerika 🙂
Well done, Jerome!
Wolfie’s “Congress not Administration” response on Africa in pure BS. The moment Bush took office (emphasis on “took”), he fell all over himself issuing Executive Orders targeting access to abortion.
Thank you Jerome!!
Why didn’t you ask him why he spits on his hand and rubs his spit in his hair?
By putting it in his mouth before running it through his hair?