The CIA is recruiting, as this ad in this week’s Economist (p.17 of the European edition) shows (click on the pic for bigger version):
We are all over the story over at the European Tribune:
Torture, Deportation: What Did the German Government Know? by Saturday
CIA, Navy Seals and Military Intelligence Torture & Murder Ignored by Chris Kulczycki
CIA Black Prison on British Territory by Londonbear
And the European Breakfast (prepared by Fran) has an extensive cross section of press coverage in the English language.
So, do you have the required strong interpersonal skills to try “waterboarding” and have a high impact? Will you have the high degree of integrity required to send off pesky reporters, Europeans and other assorted enemies of freedom while maintaining ‘friendly’ relations with them?
Will you be experienced enough to know when to stop?
Independent: The torture files
At least one death has been reported elsewhere, however. In a CIA facility in Kabul known as the “Salt Pit”, an officer, described as young and inexperienced, used the “cold treatment” on a detainee, who was left outdoors, naked, throughout a freezing Afghan night. He died of hypothermia. The case is being investigated, along with several others in Afghanistan and Iraq where interrogators – CIA officers, civilian contractors or members of the special forces – went well beyond the guidelines and suspects died as a result.
Do you have the competence to obfuscate?:
US does not send suspects abroad for torture: Hadley
In an interview with CNN, Hadley said there are certain kinds of operations “one cannot talk about.”
“The terrorists threaten all of us,” he said. “You’ve seen terror attacks in Britain, in Spain, in Italy, in Turkey, in Russia, in Egypt in Jordan, in Saudi Arabia. This is a threat, really, to the civilized world.“We need to cooperate together to deal with this terrorist threat that threatens all of us. We’re cooperating with a number of countries.
“That cooperation though is characterized by three things: One, we comply with the US Constitution. US laws and US treaty obligations. Secondly, we respect the sovereignty of those countries with whom we cooperate. And three, we do not move people around the world so that they can be tortured.”
Asked specifically whether Washington operates secret prisons in Europe, he repeated that Rice will address the issue.
But if such operations were going on “they’re the kinds of things that one cannot talk about. “Why? Because the information would help the enemy. It would compromise the operations and it would put countries who are cooperating with us at risk,” he said, stressing that it should not be inferred from his remarks that secret CIA prisons exist.
Are you able to play hard ball?
Independent: CIA ‘covert flights’ mar Rice’s German visit
Ms Rice has said that she will provide an answer to an EU letter of complaint on the issue complied by Jack Straw, the British Foreign Secretary. However, reports ahead of her visit suggested that she was in no mood to dwell on the issue.
One official involved in drafting her response in Washington was quoted in the Washington Post as saying: “The key point will be ‘We’re all in this together and you need to look at yourselves as much as us’. People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.“
(Although I am not sure that such a frank admission that you are guilty is such a smart thing to do?)
Or will you do the right thing?
Independent: The torture files
CIA agents have broken ranks to reveal the ‘cruel and inhuman’ interrogation techniques they are ordered to use at secret prisons around the world, including freezing and near-drowning.
Details of the secret prisons and the methods used in them have emerged mainly from CIA officers themselves, who said the public needed to know “the direction their agency has chosen”. They broke ranks amid a furore in Washington over an amendment to the White House military spending package going through Congress. Senator John McCain (Republican), a former US navy pilot who was captured and tortured in Vietnam, wants an unequivocal ban on all “cruel and inhuman” treatment of prisoners in US custody, including those held by the CIA.
(btw, if I get the latest rightwing talking points, the fact that John McCain broke under torture is proof that it works…).
OK. Enough for the sarcasm. Here’s what we need to do:
BBC: CIA jail claim dogs Rice’s Europe tour
Tom Malinowski, Washington-based Advocacy Director of Human Rights Watch, says Ms Rice is in an impossible position.
Mr Malinowski says she cannot confirm the allegations because they are true, and she cannot deny them because that would put European allies in an extremely difficult position.
This is a very interesting sentence, because you’d expect it to be the other way around : “she cannot deny the allegations because they are true, and she cannot confirm them because that would put European allies in an extremely difficult position.”
But it is right:
- She cannot confirm them, because they are illegal, and she would thus be guilty of a crime if she admitted to (knowing about) it.
- She cannot deny it because it would prove to us Europeans that the Americans can lie to our representatives without fear of consequences.
This is really what this is about. Legal fallout in the US, and political fallout in Europe. The legal fallout in Europe, unless a smoking gun is found, is unlikely to be conclusive. The political fallout in the USA seems, sadly, very limited so far.
You guys should of course make noise to make this a political issue, but the most promising option seems to be the legal route – so you should support the ACLU and other such organisations that are trying to build up legal cases.
Similarly, we should encourage the various institutions and judges in Europe that have started investigations, but the real battle is, for us, political – we have to make it clear to our politicians that they will lose more (from voters) by being nice to the USA than (from Condi’s blackmail) by pushing for information to come out.
US has cast its lot, now Europe must decide if it wishes to be with the US, or with the terrorists.
Pushing for information might sound like a reasonable compromise, but those whose family members and friends lie groaning in the dungeons will have a different view, sadly a view that will be understood all too well by those who push too hard for information.
Either the people of Europe release the victims and arrest the kidnappers, or decide definitively as the US has, that the price of not doing so is, in the simple but unforgettable words of Madeline Albright, “worth it.”
Maybe we should describe it as casting our lot “for liberty”, or “for human rights”, rather than “with the terrorists”, but you are essentially correct.
This is a medieval administration in every respect. The economy, the diplomacy, and the values.
Mid Evil is a good word to describe the administration. They are acting like the Church in the Dark Ages. It’s all ritual, rigid, decesions are made based on information from a mythical God (who was never too smart either). Offereing only suffereing, debasement and hopelessness.
There is a historical urge, I think to return to the dark ages.
US policy. Billions around the world were surprised to learn this, as many had thought, mistakenly, it turns out, that a terrorist was a bad thing to be.
I find it incredibly embarrassing and shameful how much coverage this issue is getting in the rest of the world while our MSM once again cowered to their paymasters and are simply ignoring this whole rotten mess. Then again my understanding is that we are something like 37th in ranking worldwide as to how ‘free’ our press is here in the US.
US is ranked 44th – down from 17th in 2002. The report is here.
…A Few Good Men? All this talk which basically boils down to “don’t question the manner of protection we so graciously provide to you” BS?
This, in essence, is her speech.
Plagiarizing Aaron Sorkin. Oh well. It’s not like they haven’t plagiarized before.
(and fittingly, this took place in Guantanamo)
But would Hollywood crank out a movie like this one today? With that same ending? THAT’s the big question.
((Smacks forehead))
How could I have forgotten that?! “Gitmo” is the obvious connection.
“Who the hell knows what goes on down there.” Indeed.
“US has cast its lot, now Europe must decide if it wishes to be with the US, or with the terrorists”.
At this point is there a difference?
Posted earlier as a diary (deleted – better here):
Being reporting on JURIST, the ever-watchful folk @ U. Pitt Law School:
Bad CIA. Go to your room.
You’d better be CAREFUL!!!
Din’tya know they’re the GOOD GUYS now?
Fighting BushCo and all?
BinLadenCo and AlQaedaCo and all the OTHER Cos?
Controlling the media for our mentaL and physical and emotional wellbeing?
Infiltrating the blogs?
Hell, all you have to do is read the papers and listen to the news and read to blogs to find THAT out.
What’s that you say?
They have PAID PLANTS inserting that stuff into the media?
NO!!! Really?
Nevermind…
Ya better not cry
Ya better be good I’m telling you why
CIA is coming to town
And they’re the GOOD guys in this version of the fix.
Torture?
Naaaahhhh…
Well, maybe a little bit.
Hot word around DC is that they are going to isolate Cheney and make him smile until he cracks.
Make Condi grow her hair out into a big ol’ afro, gain 40 pounds, wear overalls and work in a settlement house in Bed Stuy until she tells the truth about Big Oil.
Make Butch listen to monotone reading of Noam Chomsky’s greatest hits until his nose begins to bleed.
(The odds around Langley are he won’t last 3 minutes.)
Seriously…it’s wonderful hearing tha CIA called out. There is too much “They’re all that stands between us and BushCo” going on now.
Right. And Al Capone was all that stood between Chicago and the OTHER gangsters he fought.
There is a basic morality that supports strong cultures, WINNING cultures. Like human beings, cultures are not perfect. But the ones that try to draw the line somewhere are the ones that win.
Bottom line…the ends do not justify ALL means.
Not be ANY means.
Always like your stuff, Jerome.
Later…
AG
I think you got it. The CIA of all entities…parts of it are fighting Bush and giving life to the pathetic negative coverage of him in the press.
It isn’t as good as it might look. The CIA is awful to the core, there aren’t any good parts to it. They just don’t agree that the US should return to the middle ages. Everyone else should but not the US. Thats the disagreement they have with Bush.
I guess it’s a battle between the Mormons and the non Mormons in the CIA.
Did you create that? That’s priceless.
(Really sickening too since so many REAL CIA people — present/former — abhor what’s being done in their name, and for their country.)
I agree. ALL Americas will be broad brushed as “torturers”, and our country is NOW a rogue nation with absolutely no moral authority or credibility.
Will Americans have to go through the long, painful catharsis that Germany did after WWII? Germany is STILL experiencing guilt to this day.
all credit goes to the General.
Japanese editorial here:
http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200512050099.html
If even the Japanese are criticizing the USA we are in very serious trouble indeed. Public Criticism of another country in Japan is damn close to a declaration of war.
No, I do not think they will bomb us again. During the 80’s and early 90’s Japan was winning the “economic” war. Does anyone remember all those management books on “Theory Z”?? Foreign students used to enjoy saying Japan lost the “battles” in WWII, but they are winning the war because they had more American dollars than we did.
and I never thought I’d be feeling the slightest need to defend the CIA, after years of writing against it.
However. As it does with everything it touches, the Bush administration has politicized and sullied even the supposedly impartial intelligence services.
There are dedicated, honest people there who spend their working lives doing the kind of analysis that would have given good guidance to a less dishonest and mendacious administration. So part of the advertising might also say, “Join the CIA and be outed by your own government after 20 years of faithful service.”
But I am not aware of anything the CIA has ever done that was beneficial.
So they have honest people working there…..How so? What are they honestly working on.
The History of the CIA, the impetus, the verve, the energy behind it is simply destructinve for puroposes of “national interest”.
The essence of the CIA is that it is misguided to the core. It was born going in the wrong direction and has not stopped.
Not True – Valerie Plame worked for a front agency, Brewster Jennings, whose job is was to PREVENT the spread of WMD. However their work was overseas, NOT in the USA. Cheney/Rumsfeld cabal continued to expand USA’s WMD capabilities.
One of the speculated good Brewster Jennings did was expose the finding of VX nerve gas being shipped to Iraq through Turkey, after the fall of Baghdad.
TPM CAFE has article here.
Further details are found in the Madsen Report.
You have to come up with something more substantial than this speculation. That;s pretty slim pickens.
If her speech is little more than “those in glass houses should not throw stones because you won’t see the impending mushroom cloud” then she could have saved herself the trip and everyone else the hot air.
Hey, and what’s quoted above is only 16 words…
You must pass the psychological exam!
In order to pass you must show how crazy you are.
Momons make up the highest percentage of CIA agents.
Utah is the breeding ground for CIA>
Sadly as you mentioned the political fallout here is nil so far and I expect it will continue to be nil. People here in the US can’t get too worked up about something that isn’t even being reported and much more sadly I suspect if this would become a big story here it would go the way of the ‘abuse’ photos…where it seemed people in general either didn’t believe it was torture or even if it was well they had it coming..after all they were all those darn foreign ‘terists’..or more bluntly who cares about those people-they’re not the same color as us…also very sad but true.
I wrote in Chris’s diary that the only way we can do anything here in the US is make sure the Internet and investigative bloggers keeps these stories alive and that the ACLU here and HumanRights Watch Groups make sure this doesn’t get swept under the rug completely.