Can you conjure up the scene in 2002 when Bush signed a presidential order permitting the NSA, wrote the NYT yesterday, to monitor “the international telephone calls and international e-mail messages of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people inside the United States without warrants over the past three years in an effort to track possible ‘dirty numbers’ linked to Al Qaeda”?
Who conceived and wrote the directive that lets FBI agents monitor U.S. citizens without a court order? Who vetted and proofed the directive? Who presented it to Bush? What did they tell him? Who was in the Oval with him when he signed the directive? What, if any, questions did he ask? Or was it, as I imagine it, simply presented to him as (deep voice here) “It’s necessary, sir, for the national security.” And that that’s all it took to hit one of his primitive synapses and let him lift his pen and hastily scrawl his signature so he could get on with his exercise routine.
But, more sentient beings are enraged which, Susan G at Daily Kos tells us tonight, via MSNBC, extends further than we first knew:
President Bush has personally authorized a secretive eavesdropping program in the United States more than three dozen times since October 2001, a senior intelligence official said Friday night. …
Incredibly, Susan G points out, there are several members of Congress who were aware of the dozens of eavesdropping operations. Then, even more incredibly, there are those who are tolerant of or even vehemently defend these secret, extra-legal authorizations.
There’s Jeffrey Toobin, a CNN legal analyst and New Yorker contributor, who told Wolf Blitzer today:
JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: I guess I wasn’t very surprised or especially outraged, Wolf, because, you know, the law under which this operates was passed in the 1970s when we had one enemy, the Soviet Union, and it was aimed entirely at the problem of spying in the United States. Now we have a situation where we have, unfortunately, many small enemies. And we’re dealing with the problem of terrorism. And most importantly, technology has changed so dramatically, with cell phones and e-mails and BlackBerries, and Sidekicks, that the structure of the law is a little bit obsolete. It probably would have been better for them to change the law than perhaps violate it, but I guess I just wasn’t that shocked.
BLITZER: Well, are you suggesting that some law was violated?
TOOBIN: Well, it might be, because the way the piece — the intelligence was described, it was — under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, if the government wants to do any spying in the United States, they have to go to this special court. … (Read all.)
Then, rather predictably, there’s Rudy Guliani whose op-ed piece in Saturday’s NYT is titled, “Taking Liberties With the Nation’s Security.” Rudy bemoans the Senate’s failure to authorize the Patriot Act, and accuses us of forgetting about September 11, 2001.
It’s at times like this that declarative rants are called for:
JACK CAFFERTY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Wolf, good afternoon.
Who cares about whether the Patriot Act gets renewed? Want to abuse our civil liberties? Just do it.
Who cares about the Geneva Conventions. Want to torture prisoners? Just do it.
Who cares about rules concerning the identity of CIA agents. Want to reveal the name of a covert operative? Just do it.
Who cares about whether the intelligence concerning WMDS is accurate. Want to invade Iraq? Just do it.
Who cares about qualifications to serve on the nation’s highest court.Want to nominate a personal friend with no qualifications? Just do it.
And the latest outrage, which I read about in “The New York Times” this morning, who cares about needing a court order to eavesdrop on American citizens. Want to wiretap their phone conversations? Just do it. What a joke. A very cruel, very sad joke.
Here’s the question. Was it appropriate for the president to order wiretaps on American citizens without obtaining a warrant? E- mail us at caffertyfile@CNN.com or you can go to CNN.com/cafferty file–Wolf.
BLITZER: All right. And they can just do that. Right, Jack?
CAFFERTY: That’s correct. Just do it.
BLITZER: They can do it. Just do it like a Nike commercial.
CAFFERTY: Yes.
BLITZER: Jack Cafferty thank you very much. …
Cafferty, every day, injects his surly off-the-cuff remarks into Wolf’s Situation Room. As BooMan told me, fondly, Cafferty is a curmudgeon. I don’t always agree with the man, but damn, I love his surly, ill-tempered rants. Especially when our nation’s administration is pushing us pell-mell into a dark, paranoid post-democratic abyss.
Beyond rage and rants, there are Steve Clemon’s ideas:
Make the List Public: Who Did the White House Spy On?
I don’t care how long the list is of those people and phone numbers that have been surreptitiously monitored by the National Security Agency without court approval. […]
[T]his invasion of privacy in the case of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of American citizens must be challenged in the courts …
… It should be made public because at this point there is NO NATIONAL SECURITY rationale to justify the monitoring of citizens in cases that have not been approved by a court. That means that all of those citizens monitored are innocent — and unwitting victims of this domestic spy campaign launched by George W. Bush.
Publish the list of phone numbers, Mr. President. Do it now or lawyers may start working today to compel you through the courts to do it.
TWN would be happy to provide the bandwidth and home exposing this national intelligence disgrace. (Read all at Washington Note.)
Right on, Steve. I also demand to know who conceived, wrote, and delivered this unAmerican tripe to the boy in the Oval with the pen.
P.S. Don’t miss BooMan’s Back Where We Started.
I’m thinking Condi Rice…(National Security Advisor)…Evil Cheney (he had the fever)….Libby…(but he is already doomed). Bolton was scampering around the hallways I am sure breaking more laws and not giving a shit about any rules. And the person who was taking it all down for Georgie Boy…Mata Hari Miers. know the real truth comes out as to why in regards to the SCOTUS Nomination. I hope my name and number is on the list..I would love to sue the fuck out of these lowlife, criminal, American hating, Constitution burning, Pathetic, Money grubbing, illegal, hypocritical, Jesus using, Racist, Election stealing, Court stacking, Big Business loving, Fuck the poor, PVS worshiping, Murdering son’s of Bitches. I hope they all rot in hell for their crimes on humanity. They make me ashamed to be an American. I will not rest until Justice is served. We are a Nation of Laws and no matter how hard they run…they cannot HIDE. The truth will come out..it always does. If the press can’t do it..the blogs will bring them down. Ever. Last. One. Of. Them.
However, I think the agency primarily responsible for the “spying” is the NSA/CSS, per Steve Clemon’s comment.
Secondly, I’d say it’s a safe bet that the AG’s, ie: Gonzales, fingerprints are all over these authorizations and the attendant “legal interpretations and definitions” of the, shall we say ‘quaint’ 70’s FISA.
Just another example of “if the president does it, it’s not illegal”.
Peace
Also, some more that WanderIndiana and Zan over atePlulribus Media Community have been pulling together
articles on the other domestic spying activities among us.
Key paragraph:
Full commentary at: VIPRs Among Us?
This stuff is just extraordinary rendition scarey.
I’ve also seen these teams referred to as Vipers. These are the same private contractor Federal Marshals that were involved in the recent airline shooting.
Remember your meds and don’t look look around while shopping this week. Don’t loiter or appear to be in a rush either. Indecision or other suspicious activity are justification for use of lethal force to neutralize potential threat.
actually, they put the Christmas Viper on hold, I think, due to the shooting.
Yoo appears to have written the opinion, but I’d be surprised if Gonzales & Addington weren’t also the intellectual co-authors of the legal (re-)definition.
From yesterday’s WaPo:
“FBI” looks to be a typo here, by Susan, but I’m still wondering about this passage in the same article:
The wording here is vague, but raises a number of questions. What agencies were “tasked” by the NSA to do domestic surveillance? Were these agencies operating within the bounds of FISA and obtaining warrants, or acting outside the law as well? “For more than four years:” ok, so since (or before?) 1998. Was this a reaction to the Africa embassy bombings that year (I mistakenly suggested the 2000 Cole incident yesterday on BM’s diary)? If these agencies were acting without warrants, what authority was operative? It’s hard to imagine the Clinton administration going along w/ any of this.
There were several references some time ago about the California Natl Guard being involved in domestic surveillance. Actually, it’s probably the private business that surveillance was outsourced to in many cases.
Yea, the Guard here got caught spying on war protestors. Didn’t that make it into Fahrenheit 911? I’m too lazy now to look up the refs. The Guard refused to let investigators from the state examine the computer hard disks.
I realize there has been a lot of domestic spying & counter-insurgency going on & look forward to seeing all this stuff come out in some coherent fashion someday. Right now, I’m particularly interested in the specific precursor program(s) the NSA tasked “other agencies” with, and whether or not they were operating under FISA.
Private spying is a whole ‘nutha can ‘o beans.
There’s a lot of different programs that have run, by public accounts, that have been a combination of govt-private data collection and then organization/access.
Matrix was one of the worst. One of the first ones that was extremely powerful for this was/is Promis. It has an interesting history.
NYT Link Generator. I swear by it, as it’s allowed me to continue to access older stories after they go behind the firewall.
What really scares me is that we only know about the things that they couldn’t keep hidden. I would imagine we’re only seeing the veriest tip of the iceberg. These guys are maniacs. Their only motivations are power and greed. They love to pass laws for you to obey. They just do whatever they want to.
I never thought I’d see our country in the grip of such a souless, heartless, evil gang.
Those questions jumped at me too. I found this article and I had to ask where the shame is from WaPo to indirectly admit that they didn’t even know about this while the Times sat on it for a year.
This story has been in the alternative news and accused of not being substantiated for a while but i don’t think it was covered by any of the MSM. I thought they had the intel embeds at the Post, too.
I saw some doofus, might have been Saxby Chambliss making the circular argument that the press shouldn’t leak this “national security” stuff because;
So, we’re tossing out the Constitution, ignoring the fact that the Feds would easily get a FISA warrant so we can troll for the really, really stupid terrorists?
Just like the library provision. Gonzales argues they need the library snoop provision in the Patriot Act because terrorists use library computers…
The idiotic assumption inferred by the always shallow-thinking Chambliss that the so-called terrorists don’t already know that their calls and emails are likely to be monitored is further evidence of the near total dysfunctionality of the Bush regime and their delusional thinking.
Whether it’s Chambliss’ absurd remarks, or uber-fascist John Yoo’s assertion that the president is not bound by any laws that restrict his authority in any way, (an argument that basically says the presidentis infallable, a particularly ludicrous claim considering whjo the imbecile in chief is), these people are about destroying Democracy, not protecting it.
This story hasn’t entirely been sat on exactly. A lot of this came out around the Bolton hearings, everyone should note.
Isn’t that where the Democrats were vilified for following due process, labeled as obstructionists and subsequently castrated?
yeah pretty much !:)
SusanD…I started a reply, but it got too big.
Now it’s a diary.
Domestic Surveillance??? No!!! REALLY???
Go there if you are interested.
AG
Here’s a link to an excellect but one of the veriest scary pieces I found a while ago.
The CIA’s Role in the Anthrax Mailings
Well done indeed! How low can they go? The only bottom is what the American people will tolerate and we have been far too tolerant. It’s coming apart and it’s about dang time. This is one the Dems can take to the bank. I’m writing my Congressman (he even knows me) and asking he sponser a bill to reveal the phone number and emails of those spied on. i should be on it. My oldest son lives in Spain, I have a blog, I write here and stimes on Kos oh and I’m a county Dem party official so I’m a suspect. On the other hand if they had contractors listening and reading our writings I wonder if we made any converts? We have a button machine, maybe i’ll punch out some ‘I’m on Bush’s Enemies list’
It is always amazing to me to know that this administration is doing the feces they are doing and getting by with it. All the more important to win big time in 06 so that we can really make them into a lame duck and impotent enity. As long as the other side has the power to do this kind of thing, they will. It is up to us to stop them dead in their tracks and punish them for their deeds of teason and what they have done to humanity.
This is the only way this will stop!
I’m hoping Richard Clarke was on the list, because he will fight back.
dirty deeds is in any way related as Larry Johnson suggests, I imagine our political leaders are already hip to the political objectives of this spying. Sure could explain why too many of our leaders have sat on the bench.
Doesn’t explain crazy Joe, his neocon leanings go back further than that.
Can you imagine the career ending tidbits they have on everyone that might present a political challenge? I’m with you; no wonder they’re on the bench.
Friday night on PBS’s “McLaughlin Group” I heard “Jabba the Hutt”, (aka Moonie Times editor Tony Blankley), say that even Jay Rockefeller was briefed on this warrantless spying deal and remained silent about it for over 2 years.
And the NYT sat on the story for a year.
With an imbecile like Bush as President, a media suppressing stories like this, and our own prominent Dem Senator’s going along with such egregious abuses of our liberties, how can anyone wonder why we’re in the mess we’re in?
CNN is also guilty of sitting on a damning story for a year. The filmed “Dead Wrong” months before the election where they proved over and over again that the intelligence to go to war was wrong. Larry Johnson was even interviewed on that special. If that had been viewed before the election, as the polls prove now, we may have had a different outcome to the election 04.
Let there be a revolution and let it start with me.
All of them are in cahoots with each other; the neocons, the MSM, the Norquist-style looters of the treasury and the evangelical fascists.
They are allied against us, against “we the people”, against the best interests of the country, the best interests of the world, against humanity, and, like so many others before them, against the very concept of participatory democracy and the rule of legitimate law.
You forgot to mention that they own us. They own our daily data, the technology to aggregate and share it with each other and the patents to control ownership for the future.
In fairness to Rocky, he mentioned several things that the admin wanted to punish him for in the way of newly restricted classified information. I know he’s part of the machine but he’s taken a few good stands considering his family’s position. ‘They’ might still try to bring charges against him. I think it was leaking the serious plan for Syria or something.
I understand the desire to come to the defense of Rocky. He does articulate important things even if he’s routinely ignored and dismissed by the media and by his so-called peers in congress.
But, having said that, for me, there’s no legitimate excuse for a member of congress not speaking out against illegal acts committed by the government. When the Bush regime attempts to prevent exposure of their criminal acts by declaring the information classified, and therefore not allowed to be disclosed by people like Rockefeller, they are compounding their crimes, and it is the duty of those who know about it to expose them.
Daniel Ellsberg took the hit for revealing the Pentagon Papers. Our putative leaders in congress should have the integrity to do the same when the situation warrants.
I just heard it mentioned on one of the newsertaiment channels that Rocky did indeed leak this information some time ago and yes there have been threats of prosecuting him for it.
If it’s true he did in fact leak this info I applaud him for it.
Would you put up a link about Rocky if you come across one?
The real Heroes here are those NSA staff who initially came forward about this to the Times, and those who refused to particiapte in it.
Normally, I am a fairly calm rational person (or so I’d like to believe). There are two situations concurrently happening that cause many conflicting emotions that disturb my rationality, ability to dream peacefully, and my physical well being. One is TORTURE by my government, and the other is PRIVACY- mine and every other Americans.
I am beyond rage at learning of this latest heinous act of the Bushitas spying on Americans. There are two things I’d like to add to the discussion.
FROM: Mail@cia.gov SUBJECT: You visit illegal websites
Dear Sir/Madam,
we have logged your IP-address on more than 30 illegal Websites.
Important:
Please answer our questions!
The list of questions are attached.
++++ Central Intelligence Agency -CIA-
++++ Office of Public Affairs
++++ Washington, D.C. 20505
++++ phone: (703) 482-0623
++++ 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., US Eastern time”
“FROM: Mail@fbi.gov SUBJECT:You visit illegal websites
Dear Sir/Madam,
we have logged your IP-address on more than 30 illegal Websites.
Important:
Please answer our questions!
The list of questions are attached.
Yours faithfully,
Steven Allison
* Federal Bureau of Investigation -FBI-
* 935 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Room 3220
* Washington, DC 20535
* phone: (202) 324-3000″
Has anyone else, beside myself, been receiving mail like this? Has anyone traced it back and know where these things come from?
Has anyone else, beside myself, been receiving mail like this? Has anyone traced it back and know where these things come from?
That’s a very nasty virus/worm… don’t open them, and do delete them soon. They aren’t from the government, or anything.
It doesnt pass the logic test, either. How does a site gain “illegal status?”
Thanks Nanette – Now I can put my tinfoil hat away.
Good thing I’m cynical and do not open attachements.
I got one of those emails at my work computer this week and just deleted it, assuming it was a virus. But even if that’s all there is to it – I find it interesting that the author would use that set-up this week – of all weeks – when this story surfaces. Bring out the tin-foil.
That is Geoge Bush’s legacy. That is what he will be known for: spying and torture.
George Bush: I spy (and torture).
I’d give you a 4 but my rater doesn;t work. Help Mr. Froggy
But Bush said the wiretaps stopped a trucker in Ohio from taking down the Brooklyn bridge with blowtorches. So the patiot act has saved the Brooklyn Bridge.
We have to do something about blow torches. In the hands of Al Queda they can be very deadly.
Apparently the man was going to sneak on to the brooklyn bridge at night and blowtorch the bridge down. A briliain t plot. If the police asked him what he was doing he was going to say repair work.
If you know anybody with a blow torch of middle eastern descent, I would call your local authorities and the white house directly. Without wiretaps the next attack may not be preventable.
I’ve been really busy this week with work and holiday stuff, so maybe I missed something. But is there a connection between this NYT story yesterday and the news just a few days ago about the administration spying on the Quakers?
I’m no god with diaries, but this should be one…
A student at UMass Dartmouth was visited by Federal agents a coulple of months ago because he requested a Peking version of Mau Tse-Tung’s Little Red Book on inter-library loan. He was doing a paper on Communism for a class. The agents said that because he had spent time abroad coupled with the request for the book, that he triggered the attention of the Feds.
For the final kicker, the Feds brought the book to the student, but would not give it to him.
WTF!!!! This is outrageous on so many levels. This madness just has to stop.
Here is the link…sorry I can’t nerdify it.
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/12-05/12-17-05/a09lo650.htm
I called Congressman Franks office at noon today, and he answered the phone himself.
He said he would go the FBI on Monday and check for which agents were sent, he thinks might be immigration, and then handle it from there. I also sent copies to Kennedy and Kerry asking them to go with Franks to the FBI on Monday.
Lets see what happens!
…the pathetic excuse for a human being that is responsible for these legal opinions is none other than John Yoo, he of torture memo fame and also of narrowly defining habeus corpus fame.
He also helped another infamous colleague, Viet Dinh, author the PATRIOT act. Interestingly enough, both Dinh and Yoo are contemporaries and both clerked for DC circuit of appeals judge Larry Silberman. They both were at the Supreme court at the same time, Yoo clerked for Clarence Thomas and Dinh clerked for O’Connor.
I think some commentors over at firedoglake have dug up some more on him, but there you go. Now you know where to send your angry letters.
There was a story on CNN this morning about a law from 1994 that makes all telephone and internet lines available to the government for monitoring at the touch of a computer key, “with authorization.” I’m not as much worried about the international telephone calls as I am about the campaign implications last year. Bush was in a very close race and there were quite a few periods when he was behind. Knowing they had access to such easy surveillance of all Kerry campaign communication, is there anyone here who really thinks Rove, Cheney, Bolton and company could resist the temptation to cheat?
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Great image! Is that your work?
Thank you. Yes, it is something I did in my on-again off-again dalliance using movie and old propaganda posters to portray elements of the Bush misadministration, faux news, the Radical Religious Right and the manufactured “war on Christmas”.