NYT:
The volume of information harvested from telecommunication data and voice networks, without court-approved warrants, is much larger than the White House has acknowledged, the officials said. It was collected by tapping directly into some of the American telecommunication system’s main arteries, they said.
New technology, indeed. There’s more:
The government’s collection and analysis of phone and Internet traffic have raised questions among some law enforcement and judicial officials familiar with the program. One issue of concern to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which has reviewed some separate warrant applications growing out of the N.S.A.’s surveillance program, is whether the court has legal authority over calls outside the United States that happen to pass through American-based telephonic “switches,” according to officials familiar with the matter.
“There was a lot of discussion about the switches” in conversations with the court, a Justice Department official said, referring to the gateways through which much of the communications traffic flows. “You’re talking about access to such a vast amount of communications, and the question was, How do you minimize something that’s on a switch that’s carrying such large volumes of traffic? The court was very, very concerned about that.”
Gosh–the operation is bigger than the White House initially revealed? You don’t say. I’m shocked.
What has not been publicly acknowledged is that N.S.A. technicians, besides actually eavesdropping on specific conversations, have combed through large volumes of phone and Internet traffic in search of patterns that might point to terrorism suspects. Some officials describe the program as a large data-mining operation.
The current and former government officials who discussed the program were granted anonymity because it remains classified.
Bush administration officials declined to comment on Friday on the technical aspects of the operation and the N.S.A.’s use of broad searches to look for clues on terrorists. Because the program is highly classified, many details of how the N.S.A. is conducting it remain unknown, and members of Congress who have pressed for a full Congressional inquiry say they are eager to learn more about the program’s operational details, as well as its legality.
Officials in the government and the telecommunications industry who have knowledge of parts of the program say the N.S.A. has sought to analyze communications patterns to glean clues from details like who is calling whom, how long a phone call lasts and what time of day it is made, and the origins and destinations of phone calls and e-mail messages. Calls to and from Afghanistan, for instance, are known to have been of particular interest to the N.S.A. since the Sept. 11 attacks, the officials said.
This so-called “pattern analysis” on calls within the United States would, in many circumstances, require a court warrant if the government wanted to trace who calls whom.
The use of similar data-mining operations by the Bush administration in other contexts has raised strong objections, most notably in connection with the Total Information Awareness system, developed by the Pentagon for tracking terror suspects, and the Department of Homeland Security’s Capps program for screening airline passengers. Both programs were ultimately scrapped after public outcries over possible threats to privacy and civil liberties.
Remember Jay Rockefeller’s letter to Dick Cheney?
Hell, it probably is Poindexter’s TIA project they’re running, if not something bigger and more invasive and all-encompassing.
People–they’re listening to everybody. They’ve got the phone and wireless companies, the ISPs, the fucking two-cans-and-a-string-guys working with them, and they’re listening to everything.
It’s time to wake up, America. You are no longer living in the country you grew up in. Everything you learned in civics class is wrong. The president is not a nice guy. You do not have a right to privacy. You are being watched.
The MOQUOL–I Can Save You, America!
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in Impeachment?
Excellent stuff and RECOMMENDED.
Related diaries and some background ::
See also latest news on SC nominee Alito —
Reagan Years: Alito Defended Ordering Domestic Wiretaps
“Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”
▼ ▼ ▼ MY DIARY
I think that the REAL question here is whether impeachment would truly end these practices.
And the answer is no.
This is PermaGov stuff, Oui.
The people who are doing this are out of control. Out of the oversight loop, effectively speaking. We have allowed a secret government that is independently funded…or perhaps better stated, has the capability to fund itself through the drug and arms trades and insider trading at the very least…to take over. When we did not rise up and demand the truth about JFK’s assassination and those that followed, we lost control of this part of the government. If we ever had it in the first place. And we did NOT rise up then because they had already established a great deal of control over the media.
Who knew?
Really…
Controlling the PermaGov intel sysytem is what BushCo attempted to do. Control it and set up a parallel system that was within the administration’s own control. For even WORSE purposes. As did Nixon. And this inexorable move that we are currently seeing towards the end of BushCo is today’s Watergate. A setup. Or more accurately, a well executed utilization of the BushCo/Neo-con weaknesses, as was Watergate during the Nixon era.
Impeach?
Or at LEAST render BushCo impotent?
Sure.
BushCo is a criminal organization.
But think that impeachment will “end” the surveillance that is easily available in this information age?
Nope.
Ain’t gonna happen.
Not unless we have a top to bottom reorganization of the system. Which is highly unlikely as long as these people are in the (secret) catbird seat and do not themselves screw up royally. Which, being “intelligence”, they are supposedly too smart to do.
We shall see.
You want privacy?
Take your OWN measures.
Or learn to live without it.
If you are on the net in any way or using any sort of telephone…you are being watched.
Not personally…
“Nuthin’ personal. YOU understand. It’s just business.”
Just as part of that big roundup in the sky.
Throw out a big net and round up the (un)usual suspects that fall into it.
As long as we have enemies and live an electronic world…that’s what’s going to be happening.
Bet on it.
You want real privacy?
Take the person to whom you wish to talk and go for a walk in a neighborhood you do not often frequent. Go into a wooded area where high tech, highly focusable mics cannot pick up what you are saying. Frisk your friend to make sure (s)he is not wired.
And talk.
I get yer “privacy”, right HERE!!!
Or…do not be a thought criminal. Simply do not practice crimethought…disagreement with how the government operates on ANY level. At the very least never speak of it in any way shape, manner of form. No crimespeak? Then they won’t be interested in you.
That’s what we have come to, Oui.
It used to be “Just say no.”
Then I suggested that we change that to “Just say yes.”
But the REALITY of the situation if you want to be un-surveilled is this.
Just say nothing.
Or…get ready to fight.
Your choice.
They have already MADE theirs.
Bet on it.
Have fun…
AG
P.S. I posted the reply above as a diary.
The NSA is not “BushCo”. Bush is just a President.
Go there for more discussion, if you so desire.
AG
I’m certainly not shocked and I’ve certainly been hoping that somehow this kind of stuff would start coming out in the papers and getting wide circulation…much like I said that we should not ask what other reporters were paid to write articles in the paper but who wasn’t..that would be a much shorter list I believe.
I just hope the depths that this administration has sunk to will finally be told and the public will wake up out of it’s ‘patriotic stupor’ and realize how screwed they are…..and finally get angry and do something about it.
I live in a small town and know most if not all of the detectives from the police station by sight.
Earlier this week as I was pulling out of the driveway to take the kids to school I noticed an unmarked car come cruising by the house real slow, looking at me. I don’t know if he was there to check me out or not. The thing is, in todays atmosphere it’s more probable than not considering some of the things I’ve written online and conversations on the phone.
None of this will change what I write or how I conduct myself. F..k that. I’d almost welcome a knock at the door so I can go off on someone for the bullshit their laying on my country.
If I get disappeared from here you all can rest assured that I’m relaxing in my sandals on some balmy Carribean island like say…..Cuba ;o)
If you can float a raft on the currents to Belize, Michael, I will be on or near the beach. Drop by for a visit. ;o)
The Intel agencies have been listening and watching us for a long, long time, most all of my lifetime. No doubt they do more of it and have better equipment to do it with than ever before. And really, there have never been any concerns from them that they are violating anyone’s rights, constitutional or legal. Secret stuff, ya know. Gotta watch everyone for their own good.
It isn’t a matter of innocence or guilt. That has not mattered in an alarming majority of the detentions, renditions and/or prosecutions. From the 2nd 20th hijacker to the old man who was arrested for being accused of standing in the ‘no free speech zone’ at a war protest, the government declares whatever they want.
Until we demand the government is honest with us in defining the threat, we will all be considered as such. Prosecute first, figure out what to charge us with later. Make life miserable until they confess to anything whether it’s true or not.
The only reason we are learning about this now is because they have something else to use in more drastic ways.
I think that in order for this story to go anywhere, we need one of two things added to what we already know:
I think the story is coming out and the reactions have been predictable so far. Those of us concerned about integrity and honesty in office, privacy and similar issues are outraged. Those who think protecting the US at all cost against a threat of dubious credibility are willing to accept whatever the admin does.
I doubt that the majority of the supporters of invading Iraq will see anything wrong in exploiting UN members. They will probably also say they have nothing to hide so surveillance is no problem. In their eyes, the end justifies the means.
I understand what you’re saying but the ones who need to understand have already given their ok for the president to do this.
9/11 changed everything
My buddy Rafael was in Afghanistan working for the UN before 9-11. I had lost contact with him in 1981, when we both left the country. I finally tracked him back through Google, and finally did get a hold of him. Since our interaction was only through e-mail I decided one day to give him a call. However, before AI called him I made sure I did notify the FBI that I was going to make a call to Afghanistan, just in case.
Now, reading this diary, I wonder if that call and e-mails were monitored. I guess the only way to find out will be by filing for Foia. That sucks.Furthermore, if I do file, wont that raise some suspicion by Big Bro, and be once again monitored??
Until we get some honest answers from the government all we can do is speculate. It looks like they’re admitting to some of it, and combined with other reports, it’s safe to assume all electronic and phone communication has been monitored since at least 9/11.
They admitted to only tapping international calls but there were also suspicions they influenced the redirection of major communication flows to international switches to sift all of it.
The greatest risk factor that recurs in those that have been accused of A/Q ties or connections have actually been business connections to the telecom-tech-software businesses and those with advanced college degrees in those fields.
I stopped using email, for the most part in 2003.
Does anyone give much thought to why the US govt has been so adamant about controlling the infrastructure of the internet?
I think it’s safe to assume that major telecom centers, routing processes/hardware and DNS services are all used to collect every thought we put on the information superhighway.
Now, imagine the possibilities of having the programs and architecture to access each and any computer at will.
Maybe an unexplained jump in insurance premiums is related to the email you sent confidentially sharing the results of some tests. Worse yet if the information is sent to you by a professional and you’ve chosen not to share it.
Possibly the scholarship that seemed like a sure thing all of a sudden just fell through. Just a coincidence those emails from a few political groups you’ve joined was also mentioned in some news reports.
Did you happen to help a stranger who was stranded and upset? How could you possibly know that her cell phone was used by a friend that has a cousin that once attended a mosque. Voice recognition sowftware filters pick up her voice, which was also innocent, and continues the special surveillance on your phone now.
I’m afraid Mr Nadachance that you’re loan was denied. It seems there’s a low score on your Web Browser History Report.
A good place to start is with James Bamford’s excellent 2002 book, “Body of Secrets”, a sequel of sorts to his groundbreaking 1982 book “The Puzzle Palace”.
Perhaps Booman would like to link from this book to Amazon and get some money every time somebody here buys one? A few coins in the piggy bank at the holidays couldn’t hurt!
I’ve read the book, but here’s a much more concise description from Amazon’s editors and Publisher’s Weekly (taken from the Amazon.com site):
Everybody knows about the CIA–the cloak-and-dagger branch of the U.S. government. Many fewer are familiar with the National Security Agency, even though it has been more important to American espionage in recent years than its better-known counterpart. The NSA is responsible for much of the intelligence gathering done via technology such as satellites and the Internet. Its home office in Maryland “contains what is probably the largest body of secrets ever created.”
Little was known about the agency’s confidential culture until veteran journalist James Bamford blew the lid off in 1982 with his bestseller The Puzzle Palace. Still, much remained in the shadows. In Body of Secrets, Bamford throws much more light on his subject–and he reveals loads of shocking information. The story of the U-2 crisis in 1960 is well known, including President Eisenhower’s decision to tell a fib to the public in order to protect a national-security secret. Bamford takes the story a disturbing step forward, showing how Eisenhower “went so far as to order his Cabinet officers to hide his involvement in the scandal even while under oath. At least one Cabinet member directly lied to the committee, a fact known to Eisenhower.” Even more worrisome is another revelation, from the Kennedy years: “The Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. In the name of anticommunism, they proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba.”
Body of Secrets is an incredible piece of journalism, and it paints a deeply troubling portrait of an agency about which the public knows next to nothing. Fans of The Sword and the Shield will want to read it, as will anybody who is intrigued by conspiracies and real-life spy stories. –John J. Miller –This text refers to the Hardcover edition.
From Publishers Weekly
The National Security Agency (NSA), writes Bamford, has made the United States an “eavesdropping superpower,” capable of capturing, deciphering and analyzing “signal intelligence”communicationsin whatever form it may exist and from whatever nation it may be transmitted. Yet with a budget ($4 billion a year) and staff (numbering in the tens of thousands) that dwarf its more famous cousin, the CIA, and with a headquarters, known as “Crypto City,” that is its own self-contained community, little is known of NSA among the public and, more troublingly, even within other parts of government. Uncovering the secrets of NSA, its history and operations, has become Bamford’s life’s work, first begun in his now classic The Puzzle Palace (1982) and continued in this significantly revised and expanded present volume. With remarkable access to highly sensitive documents and information, Bamford takes the reader from the beginnings of NSA during the early cold war, through its roles in such watershed events as the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Vietnam War, to the amazingly sophisticated developments in information technology taking place within NSA today. What Bamford discovers is at times surprising, often quite troubling but always fascinating. In his conclusion, he is at once awed and deeply disturbed by what NSA can now do: ever more sophisticated surveillance techniques can mean ever greater assaults on the basic right of individual privacy. In a computer system that can store five trillion pages of text, anyone and everyone can be monitored. Writing with a flair and clarity that rivals those of the best spy novelists, Bamford has created a masterpiece of investigative reporting.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385499086/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_1/103-3176046-8400646?%5Fencoding=UTF8
Don’t buy the book at Amazon!
SusanHu has added a link to Powell’s. I didn’t know Amazon was “red”.
Does anybody know if Barnes and Noblel is “blue” or “red”? I love Barnes and Noble’s online site, even if they are a bit pricier than Amazon.
Anyway, buy through here and help Booman out if you can.