What’s up with this? Is Bin Laden dead or alive?
Is this news article real? Did we forget or not read it?
How do we prove it?
Report: Bin Laden Already Dead
Wednesday, December 26, 2001
Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.
“The Coalition troops are engaged in a mad search operation but they would never be able to fulfill their cherished goal of getting Usama alive or dead,” the source said.
Bin Laden, according to the source, was suffering from a serious lung complication and succumbed to the disease in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief.
About 30 close associates of bin Laden in Al Qaeda, including his most trusted and personal bodyguards, his family members and some “Taliban friends,” attended the funeral rites. A volley of bullets was also fired to pay final tribute to the “great leader.”
The Taliban source who claims to have seen bin Laden’s face before burial said “he looked pale … but calm, relaxed and confident.”
Asked whether bin Laden had any feelings of remorse before death, the source vehemently said “no.” Instead, he said, bin Laden was proud that he succeeded in his mission of igniting awareness amongst Muslims about hegemonistic designs and conspiracies of “pagans” against Islam. Bin Laden, he said, held the view that the sacrifice of a few hundred people in Afghanistan was nothing, as those who laid their lives in creating an atmosphere of resistance will be adequately rewarded by Almighty Allah.
When asked where bin Laden was buried, the source said, “I am sure that like other places in Tora Bora, that particular place too must have vanished.”
What do we do with this?
I wouldn’t doubt that it was planted by Rove at the time, just in case type story that was never meant to be released. When Karl realized he could keep the sheep scared to death of another attack he kept the boogeyman alive. Is that crazy thinking on my part?
is talking about all of this and blogs this AM.
I just think that where FOXNEWS wrote this article in 2001 and now the way they PLAY UP the bin Laden recent tape(s) is suspect. AND I don’t believe anything the Bush admin. tells us at all. So one must wonder.
The guest from The New Yorker was good but he lacked believability when he didn’t want to consider the chance the speeches/tapes of binLaden that are released might not be authentic.
The following segment on blogs was even better. BooMan Trib got a mention. I’m always proud of the intelligence heard in the voices that speak for our side of the political-social spectrum.
Sorry ’bout the goof in the article post I did earlier…no edit.
The memory hole is so full that pieces are falling out.
Maybe an offshoot from Islam (like Christianity is an offshoot from Judaism) will develop. Just with a different ‘resurrected’ one.
Just who is the guy they quote? Where exactly is the grave?
This is bullshit.
This is the type of question that needs to be asked on all of the claims made by the govt concerning the GWoT.
We should be demanding some actual evidence.
that FOX used to report it back in 2001? True or not- isn’t this the basis of BUSHCO? What can we believe except that they want us afraid and unaware.
Exactly.
BushCo is nothing…I repeat, nothing if not for 9/11 and the fear, xenophobia and manipulation of the public’s emotions.
It seems that nobody demands actual credible, verifiable evidence of any of their claims. When evidence does appear that contradicts the official story, it’s immediately discounted without due consideration.
There may actually be monsters under the bed but so far we’re just assuming they are there.
Isn’t that the point? Not much actual evidence to his current continued existence is there?
he and Zawa are of Zarq. Zarq has been killed three times already, and almost killed and lost and grown back that same leg about a squillion times. Now you know and I know that every time this happens, it just gets nuts in the safe house, because of how Zarq gets, hogging the X-box and stealing Zawa’s yougurt and his down comforter, and getting all “I have just been killed again, I am the one who needs comfort, I have never seen such insensitive people in my life. Now leave me alone and give me back that Peter Frampton CD. It is MINE!” And on and on for days.
But if you think all that attention doesn’t make Zawa and Osama jealous, you don’t know human nature. After that lame letter, it was Zawa who was hogging the X-box. “Saying I wrote a letter like that is more humiliating than being killed three times OR having to wear that skanky looking Wal-Mart leg. And if any of you even THINK about touching my yogurt, don’t you dare come asking me to pleeeease do you some burgundy highlights. EVER.”
He says this because he is really good at baillage and everybody knows foil is western imperialist bullshit, so he has us by the short hairs. Well, those of us who still have enough hairs of any length to baillage. But I digress.
So anyway, there is also this other thing going on, that Osama gets a check every week, PLUS dental, so it really pisses Zawa and Zarq off when he starts complaining about face time. It doesn’t matter that it’s usually not even his face. He says that Fox THINKS it’s his face, and that is what counts, so he gets in these moods and starts texting them that he is dead. And they always fall for it. This time they fell for it so hard that he got a work order for another voice tape. Well of course he told them where they could put their work order, had he not just texted them that he was dead? It’s not like he gets paid extra for those anyway, and besides, they’ve got that new guy who has been studying Arabic for a whole week and who used to hang out with this guy who knew Bobby McFadden’s makeup guy, so leave him alone because he is busy monitoring this really interesting conversation between this girl in Pasadena and her boyfriend who is at school at UCLA and what they are going to do when he comes home for a whole weekend, really this is the best assignment EVER. He never got to hear stuff like this on that stupid cave job. Plus he is in this undisclosed location with a new secret identity that is totally the bomb and there are like 7 Chinese places that deliver 24 and 7 so what part of get out of my face and get some face on Fox and say it’s me do they not understand?
He has been getting lots of coverage, so it will probably be March before he texts anybody that he is dead again. He’ll have to in March, though, cause Iran and all.
I find it hard to believe, almost anything these days-which is of course ,exactly what the manipulators want.
re. Protocols of the Elders of Zion- completely made up propaganda.
Look at what Bood Abides does with photoshop? No reflection or bad reflection on him ,mind you,but so many things are possible,and so many sheep are non/un/critical thinkers. Anybody can take an image and alter it- anybody can take tape and alter it- I have done it myself-and I am a total lame about these things.
The link above is current. The ones below are from July 2001
Yes,exactly my point-thanks for the scary evidence.
I think it’s a responsibility of all citizens to question, especially the conditions that don’t follow common sense or logic. This isn’t any conspiracy theory and I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything in particular. It’s just that so many of us have been looking for answers that actually make sense that I think all credible possibilities should at least be considered.
I ran into the voice cloning software doing searches a long time ago. Regardless of any poorly explained evidence of the cell phone calls from Flight 77(?) that was supposedly taken down by passengers, I always found the inflections of indifference in the passengers’ voices odd.
and we seem to know a lie when we hear one. Koolaid drinkers don’t care, don’t question and like having God or Bush looking out for them.
Yup.
That was Flight 93 that was said to have 13 calls and a few or none from the others.
Maybe it’s inherent for us to want to believe what we’re told, even if it doesn’t fall into the scope of reality.
Love is blind, as an example.
A great quote from that 2001 NYT article on AT&T’s Natural Voices software:
You can see the software developers’ kit for AT&T’s Natural Voices is still available here.
I was going to include that but I thought the use of Regis Philbin might reduce the article’s credibility..:D
I’d like to note here too, that this software nad technology has been available to anyone.
…IIRC, ABC was using Regis five nights a week, hence the AT&T guy’s snarky promotional comment…
And in a further development, General Francisco Franco is still dead.
similar diary over at dkos
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/22/14059/2473#157
synchronicity
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News item was prominently presented at the time, as the U.S. Forces let OBL escape in Tora Bora by outsourcing the final push to kill the al Qaeda remnants, to Afghan militia who were former OBL sympathizers.
The Pakistan Observer article as source is most likely bogus, with assistance from Pakistan’s Intelligence ISI, to place a smokescreen in order for OBL to escape from Afghanistan and remain in the northern tribal region Waziristan of Pakistan.
“But I will not let myself be reduced to silence.”
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Asked whether bin Laden had any feelings of remorse before death, the source vehemently said “no.” Instead, he said, bin Laden was proud that he succeeded in his mission of igniting awareness amongst Muslims about hegemonistic designs and conspiracies of “pagans” against Islam.
Don’t know about you guys but that damned Taliban just impresses the hell out of me. I had to look up “hegemonistic”. What the fuck does that mean? That damned Taliban educating itself so well that they use words in my own language that I don’t even know the definition of!
The first time the word stuck with me was when I read it in the PNAC.
Is it too much of a coincidence that OBL resurfaces just when it is to Shrub’s greatest advantage to scare the shit out of everyone to a) get re-unelected or b) glorify illegal spying on Americans? With enemies like that, you don’t need friends.
Just to make it more interesting, there’s apparently a virus going around within picture(s) purporting to show OBL dead and/or hanged. Snopes says it’s real, although the last update on their page was July 2005.
I got the warning from a friend this morning, who cited a geek friend checking it out. Perhaps it’s been revived because of the recent taped “message.” Anyway, watch out for attachments, as ever.