Last week here at the pond, there was a convergence of energies that seemed to be going in two different directions. One was an awareness that perhaps it was time to “up the stakes” in our activities against the Bush administration. NorthDakotaDemocrat and Man Eegee both wrote powerful diaries spurring us forward in our thinking.
Then came Napoli and the rape/sexual assault stories. I’m sure we are all still trying to absorb the power that was on display by the courageous women here.
I believe these kinds of things happen for a reason and began to wonder what one has to do with the other. Something totally unconnected to this question sent me back to review diaries I have previously written here. I came across the very first one titled “Straining to Hear the Feminine Voice” and the question was answered for me.
I’ve copied that rather short diary below the fold with some very minor edits.
The first time I noticed that my internal processes were going in a radically different direction from our prevailing culture was my reaction to 9/11. While it seemed that everywhere I looked, the prevailing mood went quickly from shock to sadness to anger, I got stuck in the sadness. I never had a sense emotionally of needing to get revenge. I felt increasingly distanced from our national march into the “war on terror.” And this eventually drove me to revisit a book I read back in the late ’80’s by Riane Eisler titled “The Chalice and the Blade.”
Eisler contrasts the “chalice” (read: matriarchal) cultures of the Neolithic agrarian era with the “blade” (read: patriarchal) cultures that formed during the early development of our Judeo/Christian history. She then tries to go beyond the either/or of these two cultures to define a partnership model of society to replace our current hierarchical model. I’ll encourage others to read Eisler’s book rather than try to capture all of it here, but a few of her ideas will help me get to my point.
Original chalice cultures worshiped the goddess and celebrated birth as the central symbolic demonstration of their spirituality. For the blade cultures, “the central mythical image… is no longer the birth of the young god. It is his crucifixion and death” (ie, “The Passion of the Christ.) She says, “The underlying problem is not men as a sex. The root of the problem lies in a social system in which the power of the blade is idealized – in which both men and women are taught to equate true masculinity with violence and dominance and to see men who do not conform to this ideal as too soft or effeminate.” Eisler also draws on the research of psychologist David Winter, who in looking at historical patterns was able to demonstrate that “more repressive attitudes toward women are predictors of periods of aggressive warfare.” She sounds her ultimate warning this way, “For be they religious or secular, modern or ancient, Eastern or Western, the basic commonality of totalitarian leaders and would-be leaders is their faith in the power of the lethal Blade as the instrument of our deliverance. A dominator future is therefore, sooner or later, almost certainly also a future of global nuclear war – and the end of all of humanity’s problems and aspirations.”
This is why, when our own beloved Democratic Party decided to mount a completely militarized national convention and thought they could trump the Republicans as the party of the blade, I despaired and wondered “WHERE IS THE FEMININE VOICE?” I’m straining to hear it.
I think we heard that feminine voice very clearly here over the last few days. And it has come from the women AND the men. It is this voice that is needed – without it we will continue to perpetuate the blade culture – which will eventually doom us all.
I’m not sure where all of this will lead me, but I’ll be listening to that feminine voice that has made itself heard loud and clear here at the pond. Speak to me!!
What’s interesting is you getting stuck at the sadness level in your reaction to 9/11. Me too. I never felt the anger or the need to retaliate, especially when it was such a nebulous and complex enemy who had done this to us.
I have to tell you that I love men, and I’m the mother of three boys, but men have been running things for a long, long time and fighting fire with fire and hate with more hate hasn’t gotten us anywhere. I would love to see women in positions of power all over the world. Barring that, it would be refreshing to see the men that are in charge embrace their feminine side instead of running away from it.
I think peace would break out in a big way.
I’m really curious about this reaction to things like 9/11 – staying with the sadness vs. going to the need for revenge. I’m too far away from my training as a therapist, but maybe it has something to do with the “fight or flight” syndrome. And I think the flight reaction tends to be more attached to the feminine, but I could be wrong. I do remember hearing about studies with some kind of monkeys that showed when they were afraid, what they needed was bonding and nurturing. A completely different response than our “War on Terror.” Anyone ever wonder what it would have been like if Clinton had been president during 9/11? I sure have – his ability to comfort – connect – reassure would have taken the country in a whole other direction I think. Just goes to show that the feminine doesn’t always have to come from the female.
There are so many incredible diaries going at once now I fear this one might not get the attention it calls for. I think you are really on target with all of this, and I think this in the reason why the Original Americans allowed the women to chose the Chiefs. It was a blending of both masculine and feminine power utilizing the best strengths of each.
I think its is the men of today who are NOT afraid to embrace and blend their own internal share of feminine energies with thier masculine energies, and women who are embracing their own share of masculine energies alnog with their feminine energies, that hold the seeds of change. If these two groups can find each other, and pool their power, who knows what changes we could see.
But as long as the blade is worshipped over all else, nothing will change.
I’m so glad you focused on the blending – I really do think that’s the key.
And women choosing the Chiefs – now there’s an idea that would put Rove and Deibold in their graves.
And if this diary doesn’t get a lot of attention – we’ll just have the conversation again, and again, and again… Its in the air now here at the pond.
I’ve been thinking about this since you posted it and I think blending is the key. I see women CEO’s in business all the time and many of them think exactly like the worst of men. I would HATE to work for them.
And then I see male CEO’s that are excellent and have very progressive policies. So I don’t really think it’s a gender thing. It’s listening to all sides of the brain and feeling all of your emtions.
I agree with you completely maryb. And as I said below in regards to Margaret Thatcher – a lot of women who rise to positions of power in these times do so because they have embraced the blade culture.
Wow, Nancy. You’ve been so prolific and insightful in your writings. Thank you for going back and finding your original diary – and trying to piece this puzzle together.
Have you ever considered running for office? Seriously. As long as we’re discussing the subject of needing more women in power – you certainly come to mind as someone who would represent my interests. You have the communication skills and knowledge to do so, and I’d love to see a true progessive in the MN legislature. (One can dream)
I appreciated the validation about getting beyond the sadness, because I too was caught in that place for a very long time. When I spoke to one of my friends (who, in the Myers/Briggs model is an off-the-charts “thinker” without a trace of “feeler”) she dismissed my reaction as perimenopause, rather than a deep felt sadness over the events that took place. (Um, okay)
I’m trying to remember the legacies of female leaders such as Margaret Thatcher or Indira Ghandi. If memory serves me, I thought Thatcher was somewhat of a hawk, but my memories might be way off base. Anyone?
I’ve always thought that women like Margaret Thatcher rose to power specifically because she validated the blade culture. Its really not a gender thing all the time. As a matter of fact – I hear more of the feminine voice from Bill Clinton than I ever have from Hillary.
I remember when I was in the midst of my “awakening” from the blade culture, there was a period of 3 years during which I needed to hear the feminine voice so badly that I couldn’t read books by men – only women. During that time – I did read “Skinny Legs and All” by Tom Robbins (an absolutely amazing book if you’ve never read it!!) He has a major “chalice” message in that book – so it fit right in.
And another book that brought both voices together in an amazing way was “Revenge: a story of hope” by Laura Blumenfeld. Her father was shot by a terrorist in the middle east. She goes looking for revenge and learns some amazing truth.
And finally, your words about needing validation of your post 9/11 sadness are powerful. Its such a testament to the pervasiveness of the blade culture that we all felt so alone as the country marched towards revenge. As Scribe said above, BOTH voices needed to be heard and blended together. If that had happened, we might have crafted a more sane response to those events.
I like your comparison of chalice and blade rather than men or women, because it is not about gender, it is about how and by what criteria we make judgements and perform actions in the world. Race and gender in America are used to cloud the real issues about who is doing what to whom and for what reasons.
Your diary (along with some others and a comment by Arminius a while back) has compelled me to finally write something about our shared humanity that I hope provokes some thought. Thanks for this diary.
I’d not only vote for Nancy, I’d work full time on her compaign!
you’ve mentioned, I’d say is running in exactly the same direction.
I say that because my diary which you made reference to was only the first (see example below), and these fearless women of the pond are out there already on what is likely to be Part 4,5,? (I don’t know yet.)
What is important is that the BoomanTribune women are already working on an absolutely critical concept to success of any nonviolent struggle movement, and that is VISION.
For example:
Any Class 101: you are exposed to definition, concepts, competing theories, some sort of statement of hypothesis…etc.
Any Class 102: you get into more complexities of all the above, flesh out the concept, theories, in more detail
Any Class 103: you get how the concepts have been applied in the past, how they’re applied now, and how they might be applied in the future
Any Class 104: you formulate and execute a plan that applies these concepts according to a VISION.
VISION = [ to be developed by general consensus ]
IMO the discussion on VISION has already been started by the BT women (and male friends.) We now have a better understanding of these issues from past experiences to the present.
I see no problem if anyone who wishes to do a diary, to begin a serious discussion of a comprehensive VISION.
It would seem a natural to me that the issues discussed this past week should form the core of that VISION.
And then, later, when I or someone else gets to Part 5,? of nonviolent struggle, and the ___ appears for VISION, we’ll at least have Version.1 ready to plug in.
Getting the vision going does sound like our next step. And I am hoping that we have the courage to make that a big vision. As Eisler sees it, crafting a vision would include things like:
Developing a “partnership” model for human relations to replace the dominator/dominated model.
Recognizing our interconnectedness with each other and our natural environment.
Placing the care and nurture of children at the center of all we do.
Developing an new understanding of the use of power to promote win-win rather than always assuming a limited win-loose scenario.
Promoting a vision of non-violent means of solving conflict.
Developing an economics and technology in partnership with the world that uses technology to sustain and enhance life.
Nancy, I’ve been wanting to thank you for steering me to ‘The Chalice and The Blade’ a long time ago. I’m fascinated by this duality of human nature, and enjoy watching it manifest in animal behavior as well.
I’m reading a fascinating study of it now – “The Alphabet Versus The Goddess,” Leonard Shlain’s ambitious book about his theory that the advent of written communication evoked a physical change in the human brain that created our male-dominated culture. Being way ahead of me, you’ve probably already read it – anyway, I just want to share it.
We’re all struggling to understand our world. This pond water is such a wonderful medium for it.
Alice – I’m so excited. I haven’t read “The Alphabet Versus the Goddess” but it is now on hold for me at my local bookstore – just in time for vacation reading next week. I hope I have room in my bag for clothes and toothbrush – I’ll be taking so many books with me!! Thanks for the tip – you see, it works both ways.
My gawd….ths discussion is ..making me jump up and down in my chair! Yes Yes Yes!!!!
Really good one. The sharing of stories that has happened here over the last several days is so important because shared experience can cement a community together on a level much deeper than agreement on opinions. Authentic politics (like that found in Lakota culture and by listening to an old Greek named Socrates who got killed for speaking out) is based on experience, not just personal but social. And I like that you characterize feminine as a voice and not a gender. Socrates stated a long time ago that in matters of deciding what is best for society that men and women are absolutely equal (the only difference, he said, was that men beget and women bear children), because the criteria for determining what is best for society have nothing to do with gender. If what we praise or blame is based on gender than we are excluding half the population but if it is based on what you call voice, then everyone is potentially in rather than out.
Exactly! Whether we call is masculine and feminine “voice” or “energies”..or whatever, both are present with every single one of us. It the damned gender ROLES and the power imbalance between these “roles” imposed by society and religion, that separate males and female into warring camps.
YES!!
I’m going to weigh in here…not to necessarily add to the discussion, just cause I’ve been looking for an opp to post some of these thoughts.
First. I never felt the desire for revenge after 9/11. 9/11 did however open a whole world of compassion for a group of people I’d basically spent a lifetime trying to ignore and/or hope they would start thinking more in “chalice” terms! (Sorry, like it or not, I spent years with a bumpersticker on my car that read: EAT THE RICH!)
I suppose if you wanted to be ‘inflammatory’ you could do as Ward Churchill did and call them ‘little Eichmanns’; it’s not how I’d describe them: more like rich people just trying to get richer without thinking too much about the process, just doing what everyone in this country has been taught is their god-given right (gettin’ ahead! movin’ on up!) or about the old, old ancient wisdom that ‘it is a shameful thing for one man to be in possession of great wealth while others go hungry.’ OK. In other words: 9/11 forced me into empathy/compassion for Wall Street Banker-types, even though my first, knee-jerk response was, of course, to worry about all the ‘low-level’ employees in those buildings: the dishwashers and waiters in the Windows to the World restaurant, the security guards, the janitors, etc. whose families were not likely to have any insurance to fall back on, very much unlike the families of Cantor Fitgerald etal employees. I still wonder what happened to them.
Nevertheless. The event moved me into a place of compassion–and for people whom I’d pretty much written off as “blade chasing assholes”.
Not revenge. Not a stitch. Neither toward whoever the hell did the deed, nor toward the people in the towers (whether people choose to acknowledge it or not, there were a lot of very poor people in this country who, after years and years of suffering in poverty while others lined their pockets with gold, basically thought the same way Ward Churchill did: well, folks, chickens meet roost.) I’m not saying that’s my view. I am saying I knew a LOT of people who thought that way, and in fact still think that way as they watch this country fall apart.
My other thought, though: the twin towers, to me–the ultimate, ultimate symbolic representation of PHALLIC reality (ok, if you want to call it ‘blade’ mentality, maybe that’s more palatable: in my old-school feminist idiom, I still refer to it as PHALLIC). The toppling of those two towers, to me, was like….yes, people, this IS what happens when phallic reality is taken to the kind of extreme it has been taken to by Western civilization. This is what a complete lack of balance brings (whether w re gender issues, w re poverty vs wealth, whatever).
I had hoped this would be obvious to everyone of us in the US–kind of like the “Tower” tarot card. Unfortunately, as we have seen, it wasn’t. OK. So maybe I’m just impatient–maybe I’m just running out of patience w this shit. With phallic reality (my first ‘intellectual’ ‘confrontation’ with these issues came in 1980, with a reading of Mary Daly’s “Beyond God the Father”.)
It is encouraging to see these discussions going on. I’ll try to bury my ‘too little too late’–pessimism for the moment–bc I know one thing: none of the changes that need to occur are going to happen without a FUNDAMENTAL paradigm shift in thinking at the very grassroots level–and that is happening here. So one ray of hope, I guess, is better than none.
So much for my thoughts on the subject. Back to the “feminine voice.”
Here is an example of a female response to 9/11 which I think very much illustrates what you all are talking about: Again, the Roches. From the album Zero Church. Whenever I am driving or walking with a view of my own city skyline, I think about this song, and about the people who were in those towers….and am sincere in agreeing 100% with these voices and what they are saying. And I sing along. And in so doing, I am saying a prayer.
I strongly encourage anyone interested in the ‘feminine voice’ purchase these women’s works, play them LOUDLY and often. Sing along!
The sounds we make matter (and yes, the Roches have a song about THAT too).
Stark, thanks for being willing to hang in there with those of us who arrived a little late to the party. We need your hope!!
I’m fine with phallic over blade, but agree with you that the later is perhaps more palatable.
On compassion for the “Wall Streeters,” I had the same reaction after watching the movie by that title staring Michael Douglas. Could there be a more stressful and less rewarding way to spend your life?
And finally, my naivete after 9/11 can be summed up by a remark I made that day while watching the whole thing unfold on TV. I said, “I guess that will be the end to our gluttenous spending on the missile defense shield.” How sadly wrong I was.
My gut response to 9/11: “Guess there’s gonna be corks poppin in the White House Bunker tonight!”
At the risk of ‘pimping’ myself all over the place again: the first book I ever translated and published was actually on the subject of matriarchy, and may be of interest here.
It is by a German feminist researcher, Heide Göttner-Abendroth, and called “The Goddess and her Heros.”
Here is the link to her page, where other titles in English are also listed.
Apropos translation. Ahem. ttfn.
PS:
“to the party” …. you say.
There I go ‘hearing voices’ again…(i.e. those words triggered reflection on some more female vocals, same group [The Roches], different album [Why the Long Face?]
And I’m just going to throw it in here…b/c it is also highly political…