Believe it or not that did occur to me. I’ve decided I’m right — the proportions are different. No use arguing either, my opinion is from the heart and logic will not affect it.
I just checked the tv guide and it doesn’t say it’s a new episode. It’s called “House of the Rising Sun.” Is it new?
The seasons are getting shorter. A season used to be 22-24 episodes. Now it can be as few as 12 or 13, but the average is around 16. They also seem to be doing away with the whole notion of “seasons” and we’re getting the odd schedules.
“House of the Rising Sun”
Walt and the others are shocked when Michael is brutally beaten, but only Jin and Sun know the truth about the attack; Kate, Jack, Sawyer and Sayid argue about where the survivors should set up their camp.
Happy Birthday Baby!!!! It’s been a pleasure getting to know you and seeing you most days. I hope to be able to do it again as you turn another year ol… .. wiser
You guys are great with the radio. I don’t think I’d be able to do it. For one thing, I hate my voice. For another, I went on tv once and my face became suddenly paralyzed with fear. I so did not see that one coming.
Old baloney nipples reminds me of the summer my kids came home from the pool with stories about Hairy Back Guy and Giant Nipple Guy. It wasn’t until the end of the summer that they realized it was the same guy!
It’s too late — I’m crushed and may never recover (well, for at least five minutes — then my geezerness will take over and I’ll forget it ever happened).
poor Andi. Just trying to be nice and getting nothing but grief. 🙁
I hafta go to the “live” birthday celebration. See you all later (or, not — in the case of the geriatric bloggers). Thank god tonight is Izzy’s night — at least someone will be awake when I get home at the incredibly late hour of — 9:00?
oh yeaaaaah. That guy is gorgeous. I used to work with a man who had come over from Croatia, and Goran whateverhisnameis came from his tiny town of like 500 people. He spoke just like him so I used to close my eyes and pretend it was him! Too bad he was always saying unromantic stuff like “Madame, shall I rub the foot cream on Roosevelt’s athlete’s foot.?”
Hey, you raging maniacs! Why are there already 70 comments on here? Nothing better to do, ay? Well, I’ve farted around on BooMan Tribune just about all day long and got next to no work done. So there!
Hi my froggies!!!! Happy Bday to Maryb!!!!! Life is hectic as always and of course I have yet another political meeting tonight. LOL I hope everyone is doing well.
LOL Not at this meeting. I will wear my “kick Ass in 2006” shirt. so who knows. Someday I will tell you the horror story of the group I am meeting with tonight.
On my way out the door to a political meeting. If I am not too exhausted(screwed up group and it gets emotional sometimes), I will check in when I get home.
I will leave you with two of my definitions(sp)
Smooth guy = salt lick
hairy guy = floss dispenser
Defeatist
by Armando [Subscribe]
Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 06:58:33 PM PST
I would hope that my commitment and support for Senator Russ Feingold’s resolution to censure President Bush for his deliberate violations of FISA is beyond question. But if there are any doubts, let me state it again here – censure is the approprate move for Democrats on this given the fact that Rubber Stamp Republicans are in the majority and will never support this resolution, much less Articles of Impeachment. It is a Lincoln 1860/Politics of Contrast moment. Not to mention the principle involved.
So what would be a successful result for Feingold’s resolution? In my opinion, it will be successful if a vast majority of Democratic senators embrace it, if Bush’s lawlessness becomes a major news topic, and if the Rubber Stamp Republicans embrace 33% Bush. The second and third of these results has occurred. The first has not yet.
A successful result faces two types of defeatism from Liberals and Democrats. The first is the typical DLC-style defeatism. Digby eviscerates it. The highlight for me:
It seems that substantively, the party agrees that Bush broke the law and deserves to be censured, but there is a division among most of the blogosphere and virtually the entire establishment about whether this is a canny move politically. . . .
The [reservations expressed] do not denote timidity, so much as a kind of political blindness.
. . . Two: Please tell me that the Democrats are not going to withhold criticim of Bush because it might make Republicans rally around him. . . . The Republicans have lost the ability to function without them. They are confused and rudderless and they will run back and forth toward Bush and against him dozens of times over the next few months. They literally don’t know where to turn.
. . . I can see why [Democratic officials] are angry about it. They were caught short. But they need to move more quickly on this stuff. Planning is great, but you can’t always control events. How you deal with things coming from left field is important — they failed on this one, making it worse for themselves by ducking the press and dithering about their response. I think Democrats have lost touch with their political instincts. This is one of those things that a smart old fashioned pol would have been able to either finesse or respond to properly off the cuff. (They should have called Bill Clinton — he was good at that sort of thing.)
. . . I said this yesterday and I’ll repeat it. This image of “powerlessness” at a time when the Republicans are on the ropes is the biggest problem we face for the fall elections. . . .
Defeatism: acceptance and content with defeat without struggle. The term is commonly used in the context of war: a soldier can be a defeatist if he or she refuses to fight because he or she thinks that the fight will be lost for sure or that it is not worth fighting for some other reason.
I agree, again in every detail, with Digby. Let me talk about the other defeatism that stands as an obstacle on the flip.
Armando’s diary :: ::
The other defeatism is coming from the Left blogosphere. It is the knee jerk reaction of some to condemn Democrats before they have even decided on the issue. This is defeatism of a very dangerous sort. Why? Because it makes even a success a defeat. This morning I wrote:
With the exception of the dim bulb Dodd, [no Democrat (Lieberman doesn’t count)] said anything really harmful. “I’m going to wait” is not my answer. It is not Feingold’s answer. And in a perfect world it would not be the answer given by ANY Democrat, or Senator for that matter. But that’s not our world.
Now there are different ways to say “I am going to wait.” The manner in which our Democratic Senators did so is an exercise in stupid politics and weakness. Here is a simple lesson for them — Next time, excoriate the Bush Administration for their arrogance, apparent lawlessness, “JUST LIKE IN THE PORTS SCANDAL,” and their inability to “come clean with the American People,” but Censure is a serious matter and one not to be decided lightly. Say that you will seriously consider the Resolution from Senator Feingold, “A MAN OF PRINCIPLE,” but that you are not taking a position at this time.
Senator Reid, of the undecided Dem Senators, comes closest to this. But the opportunity to criticize the President must not be passed up. Argue from strength. Not ready to take a position? Then don’t. But do not act afraid. Whatever you think of the resolution and its effect on Dems’ image on national security, the pathetic show of weakness by these Dem Senators has done 10 times the damage – feeding every negative Dem sterotype of weakness and lack of principle.
Now, does this mean the fight is over? I say decidedly no. We must cajole, urge, fight with and plead with our Democratic Senators to do the right thing on principle and politically.
What we must NOT do is what too many in the blogs are already doing – declaring defeat; calling Dems cowards and worse; condemning them instead of cajoling them.
When we do this we declare defeat TODAY! IF we have lost already, there is no chance of success a week from now, a month from now. Senator Feingold has welcomed the fact that his resolution will be taken up in the Judiciary Committee. We should also. We should understand that only the first act of this drama has unfolded. There is more to come.
Declaring defeat NOW let’s them off the hook now. It’s not a question of trusting them, as one friend of mine wrote to me today. It’s a question of understanding and thinking about what will be most effective in bringing pressure to bear on them in the battle to come.
I submit that declaring them a lost cause TODAY is not only not effective in this fight, it is harmful. Before we decry the defeatism of our Democratic officials it is best that we avoid it ourselves
Defeatist
by Armando [Subscribe]
Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 06:58:33 PM PST
I would hope that my commitment and support for Senator Russ Feingold’s resolution to censure President Bush for his deliberate violations of FISA is beyond question. But if there are any doubts, let me state it again here – censure is the approprate move for Democrats on this given the fact that Rubber Stamp Republicans are in the majority and will never support this resolution, much less Articles of Impeachment. It is a Lincoln 1860/Politics of Contrast moment. Not to mention the principle involved.
So what would be a successful result for Feingold’s resolution? In my opinion, it will be successful if a vast majority of Democratic senators embrace it, if Bush’s lawlessness becomes a major news topic, and if the Rubber Stamp Republicans embrace 33% Bush. The second and third of these results has occurred. The first has not yet.
A successful result faces two types of defeatism from Liberals and Democrats. The first is the typical DLC-style defeatism. Digby eviscerates it. The highlight for me:
It seems that substantively, the party agrees that Bush broke the law and deserves to be censured, but there is a division among most of the blogosphere and virtually the entire establishment about whether this is a canny move politically. . . .
The [reservations expressed] do not denote timidity, so much as a kind of political blindness.
. . . Two: Please tell me that the Democrats are not going to withhold criticim of Bush because it might make Republicans rally around him. . . . The Republicans have lost the ability to function without them. They are confused and rudderless and they will run back and forth toward Bush and against him dozens of times over the next few months. They literally don’t know where to turn.
. . . I can see why [Democratic officials] are angry about it. They were caught short. But they need to move more quickly on this stuff. Planning is great, but you can’t always control events. How you deal with things coming from left field is important — they failed on this one, making it worse for themselves by ducking the press and dithering about their response. I think Democrats have lost touch with their political instincts. This is one of those things that a smart old fashioned pol would have been able to either finesse or respond to properly off the cuff. (They should have called Bill Clinton — he was good at that sort of thing.)
. . . I said this yesterday and I’ll repeat it. This image of “powerlessness” at a time when the Republicans are on the ropes is the biggest problem we face for the fall elections. . . .
Defeatism: acceptance and content with defeat without struggle. The term is commonly used in the context of war: a soldier can be a defeatist if he or she refuses to fight because he or she thinks that the fight will be lost for sure or that it is not worth fighting for some other reason.
I agree, again in every detail, with Digby. Let me talk about the other defeatism that stands as an obstacle on the flip.
Armando’s diary :: ::
The other defeatism is coming from the Left blogosphere. It is the knee jerk reaction of some to condemn Democrats before they have even decided on the issue. This is defeatism of a very dangerous sort. Why? Because it makes even a success a defeat. This morning I wrote:
With the exception of the dim bulb Dodd, [no Democrat (Lieberman doesn’t count)] said anything really harmful. “I’m going to wait” is not my answer. It is not Feingold’s answer. And in a perfect world it would not be the answer given by ANY Democrat, or Senator for that matter. But that’s not our world.
Now there are different ways to say “I am going to wait.” The manner in which our Democratic Senators did so is an exercise in stupid politics and weakness. Here is a simple lesson for them — Next time, excoriate the Bush Administration for their arrogance, apparent lawlessness, “JUST LIKE IN THE PORTS SCANDAL,” and their inability to “come clean with the American People,” but Censure is a serious matter and one not to be decided lightly. Say that you will seriously consider the Resolution from Senator Feingold, “A MAN OF PRINCIPLE,” but that you are not taking a position at this time.
Senator Reid, of the undecided Dem Senators, comes closest to this. But the opportunity to criticize the President must not be passed up. Argue from strength. Not ready to take a position? Then don’t. But do not act afraid. Whatever you think of the resolution and its effect on Dems’ image on national security, the pathetic show of weakness by these Dem Senators has done 10 times the damage – feeding every negative Dem sterotype of weakness and lack of principle.
Now, does this mean the fight is over? I say decidedly no. We must cajole, urge, fight with and plead with our Democratic Senators to do the right thing on principle and politically.
What we must NOT do is what too many in the blogs are already doing – declaring defeat; calling Dems cowards and worse; condemning them instead of cajoling them.
When we do this we declare defeat TODAY! IF we have lost already, there is no chance of success a week from now, a month from now. Senator Feingold has welcomed the fact that his resolution will be taken up in the Judiciary Committee. We should also. We should understand that only the first act of this drama has unfolded. There is more to come.
Declaring defeat NOW let’s them off the hook now. It’s not a question of trusting them, as one friend of mine wrote to me today. It’s a question of understanding and thinking about what will be most effective in bringing pressure to bear on them in the battle to come.
I submit that declaring them a lost cause TODAY is not only not effective in this fight, it is harmful. Before we decry the defeatism of our Democratic officials it is best that we avoid it ourselves
Wow. It all of a sudden feels so roomy in here.
I’m here Izzy. You’ve had a been a busy day today.
Hey Family man! It has been busy! I meant to compliment you on all those wonderful photos and never got the chance!! Mmmm, frog cupcakes sound good…
Thanks Izzy. After I posted them I got to thinking I hoped they weren’t too large. Cupcakes, did someone say cupcakes.

Cupcakes can never be too large. Oh… you meant the pictures? I think it was okay, I mean it is Maryb’s birthday and all.
Well, technically, a very large cupcake is called a cake.
I never knew that — and here you are always claiming to be uneducated.
I am a noted Foodologist, Andi…for your information!
A foodologist — someone who know how to throw a good food fight?
Man, Maryb is getting hard to please! What do you have to do to get a 4 out of her anymore?
I fixed it! Too much sugar today.
Before I have to say it belatedly, happy birthday Maryb. Sniff says if you have any extra cake, he’d be more than willing to wish you happy birthday.
Believe it or not that did occur to me. I’ve decided I’m right — the proportions are different. No use arguing either, my opinion is from the heart and logic will not affect it.
I’m here, all fed and ready for the evening. It’s a new ‘Lost’ right?
I did’t realize a new one was on tonight. I know what I’ll be watching.
It better be new! The boys and I all think it is and we’ll be really pissed if it’s another repeat.
I will be too if it’s not. I don’t know why, but it seems to me the TV season is getting shorter and the rerun season is longer.
I know! There’s like one new episode and then 3 repeats in a row. I have no idea why but it messes with my mind.
If anything it turns me off from watching when new episodes are broadcast.
I just checked the tv guide and it doesn’t say it’s a new episode. It’s called “House of the Rising Sun.” Is it new?
The seasons are getting shorter. A season used to be 22-24 episodes. Now it can be as few as 12 or 13, but the average is around 16. They also seem to be doing away with the whole notion of “seasons” and we’re getting the odd schedules.
It’s a repeat. Arrrggggg.
Nooooooooooo! I’ll have to break the news to the nature boys.
I’m so sorry you guys. Don’t kill the messenger — I’m as heart-broken as anyone…
Sorry.
“House of the Rising Sun”
Walt and the others are shocked when Michael is brutally beaten, but only Jin and Sun know the truth about the attack; Kate, Jack, Sawyer and Sayid argue about where the survivors should set up their camp.
Raspberry Truffle Martini
Mix in a shaker half-filled with ice. Pour into a cocoa-rimmed martini glass. Garnish with raspberries or a maraschino cherry.
I’m so freaking excited you’re going to be on KBOOOOO…can we hear it live or just a tape later?
Thanks SEcond 🙂 Well I’m supposed to meet the other codepink lady at 5:30 that night at the station… so I’m just guessing it’s live. Dunno.
No, that’s not what I meant! Is there a live broadcast we can pick up over the web? I don’t really know how to do that.
Doh! Damnit Second you should know not to ask me anything teknickal like that. 🙂
http://www.kboo.fm/index.php Bread and Roses show on Friday 6-7 PST there’s a linky thingy for online listening.
DJ that will just be streaming radio won’t it? I’ve already downloaded a player, so it shouldn’t be any problem, I think. 🙂
…to celebrate maryb’s birthday AND the completion of my work project five minutes ago, AND that my bookcases are finally finished being put in!
Now for finishing the lighting tomorrow or Friday….
But of course you can CabinGirl – Congo Rats Elation to you too!!
And I didn’t even strangle the first electrician. 🙂
YOu do know about electrical tape right??? YOu can always tape their eyebrows or some other owwwie hair that’s short with it. 🙂 And yank.
Oh… and I finally get it “KBOO”man. 🙂 I’m slow and tired today. Been playing catchup on CP mail.
so where’s olivia — she must have a zillion flower pics that can match that drink.
Raspberry Truffle — yum! Garnish with the raspberries – not the cherries.
You always have the best ideas Janet. and I’m really excited you’re going to be on KBOO, how appropriate!
Ahhh now I get it with the KBoo
as in Kbooman 🙂 LOL
Happy Birthday Baby!!!! It’s been a pleasure getting to know you and seeing you most days. I hope to be able to do it again as you turn another year ol… .. wiser
A blonde moment? 🙂
I have several blond hours, baby 🙂 It’s only when we Spring Forward that I get some hindsight…. er wait.. Nevermind 🙂
When you say ‘hindsight’ I see ‘hockey player ass’.
HINEY!!!! 😉
Hey, Boo – I’ll try to say hello to my wonderful friends here at Booman (said I’d try the same thing with my hockey pals, too)
Is it okay if I give a nod to BoomanTribune like that? 🙂
yeah, that would be great. Good luck with it. It’s not too bad after a minute or two…
Now that I’ve told EVERYONE… watch it be canceled or something LOL.
yeah, that’s always a worry with these types of announcements.
But it is nothing compared to a wedding announcement. Try to get out of that one.
You guys are great with the radio. I don’t think I’d be able to do it. For one thing, I hate my voice. For another, I went on tv once and my face became suddenly paralyzed with fear. I so did not see that one coming.
I’m used to talking to large groups of people. Not being able to see them just makes it easier.
But, it took me a while to get used to being the center of attention. Obviously, I got over it. I bet you would not be scared if you went on TV again.
I was thinking the opposite: I won’t be able to see people’s reaction or get the feel of the crowd… ACK!
You can say older — beats the alternative, right 🙂
I’ve loved getting to know all the wise women of the pond.
overdo the cute-dog-in-snow-pictures, but I’m just today looking at the stuff we took, and dear lord, lookit her ears!
and I thought my ears stuck out funny!
Wow! Danni says her ears look like Odies from Garfield. 😉 That’s one happy, springy pupster, Spit 🙂
if she was picking up local radio.
It’s like the excitement of the whole snow experience just gave some parts of her body enough of a buzz to completely overcome gravity.
Man, I’m totally turning into one of those dog people. It’s kind of disturbing, given how much I’ve mocked them in the past.
That’s a fine looking pup that looks like it wants to play.
What a cutie.
What a cutie!!!!
He exceeds the amout of nipple-age for one person, hell for at least three people. Is that his nipple or a piece of bologna?? EW!
Guys like that – give in ten years and then it’s all manboobage LOL
His baby face doesn’t really match his neck/body. ACK!
Lol…heck I miss refinish 69.
Old baloney nipples reminds me of the summer my kids came home from the pool with stories about Hairy Back Guy and Giant Nipple Guy. It wasn’t until the end of the summer that they realized it was the same guy!
Giant Nipple Guy — HOLY SHIT!!! YOu have me laughing so hard LOL I love you!!! 🙂 Ohhhhh that almost hurt to laugh like that… LOL
I was just thinking where is refinish when we need him.
LOL he looks lickable to me. LOL
That’s the refinish I know. 🙂
ROTFLMAO!!!!
Lickable. perhaps but I doubt he’s an all day sucker
🙂
Yeah but I bet I could be. LOL
are you kidding? I’d be arrested. He’s just a baby. (On steroids, but look at that face).
I need proof of age, THEN I’ll get in the water.
My thoughts, too, Mary
Look – it looks like he’s still wearing a diaper with that sudsy formation.
Too small, toss em back. Besides, we’d totally break him for sure. LOL
When it comes to gifts, its the thought that counts. I’m just wondering WHAT Andi was thinking.
Where’s that Brown guy that Cali brought me earlier?
I think I’d rather get in the tub with Ernest Borgnine!
Ernest Borgnine.
Ernest Borgnine? Where did you come up with him?
Obviously, I stink at this — which probably explains why Jim and I gave up giving each presents 30 years ago.
But I do appreciate the thought; even if the thought was illegal.
Well it was the thought that counted right? 🙂 And Second’s comment about Giant Nipple Guy gave me a raging laugh on. 😉
I’m going to miss you while you’re on vacation. sniff
It’s too late — I’m crushed and may never recover (well, for at least five minutes — then my geezerness will take over and I’ll forget it ever happened).
I have no idea. I pulled him out of the dark recesses of my mind. Is he even alive anymore?
Can I have him on my bday? PLEASE!!!! LOL
Here maryb, scrub your mind of that last image:
Oops. Sorry about the margins. I forgot to turn my html thingy back to auto.
Much better.
I don’t get guys who have no body hair and aren’t gay. (Although maybe tub boy is gay — Andi, didn’t you check that out?).
Yes, this is much better.
Well no, I haven’t been in the market for years; why would I worry about the petty details of the goods?
poor Andi. Just trying to be nice and getting nothing but grief. 🙁
I hafta go to the “live” birthday celebration. See you all later (or, not — in the case of the geriatric bloggers). Thank god tonight is Izzy’s night — at least someone will be awake when I get home at the incredibly late hour of — 9:00?
Thanks everybody.
Have fun and see you when you’re back!
ROTFLMAO!!!!! some guys are naturally hairless honey. It doesn’t mean they shave or wax.
Soccer dudes shave their legs. 🙂
It was kinda funny – in a sexy kinda way- when I tried to get Mr. D to entertain the idea of doing some “manscaping”.
swimmers shave everything. LOL
oh yeaaaaah. That guy is gorgeous. I used to work with a man who had come over from Croatia, and Goran whateverhisnameis came from his tiny town of like 500 people. He spoke just like him so I used to close my eyes and pretend it was him! Too bad he was always saying unromantic stuff like “Madame, shall I rub the foot cream on Roosevelt’s athlete’s foot.?”
I totally get that accent thing. For instance, I loved Dennis Quaid in The Big Easy, but didn’t think much of him in any other films.
I’m a sucker for Boston accents…. hence I married Mr. Damnit. HAHHHHKEEEE 🙂
Hey, you raging maniacs! Why are there already 70 comments on here? Nothing better to do, ay? Well, I’ve farted around on BooMan Tribune just about all day long and got next to no work done. So there!
Hi my froggies!!!! Happy Bday to Maryb!!!!! Life is hectic as always and of course I have yet another political meeting tonight. LOL I hope everyone is doing well.
Howdy refinish.
Howdy FamilyMan!!!! How was the trip to the dentist? I hope you are feeling better.
It was fine. Much easier than last time, but still not good.
Are you geting ready to hand out a ton of card again?
LOL Not at this meeting. I will wear my “kick Ass in 2006” shirt. so who knows. Someday I will tell you the horror story of the group I am meeting with tonight.
I’ve got to go and start dinner. I’ll check back in a little while.
On my way out the door to a political meeting. If I am not too exhausted(screwed up group and it gets emotional sometimes), I will check in when I get home.
I will leave you with two of my definitions(sp)
Smooth guy = salt lick
hairy guy = floss dispenser
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
LOL back atcha! Have a good time!
Lovely crowd here this evening… since you’re serving, barkeep, can I have a drink and a dream date as well?
No, nix that, I brought my own… the heavenly Louise!
I think a daiquiri would go down nicely Izzy.
Suskind Sweetness!!!! Love your diary!!!
She certainly has an interesting expression. I can’t decide it it’s ‘come hither’ or ‘just try it, bub!’
You’ve read her correctly her look says both…. the beautiful Louise needs the right approach…. she’s intelligent, wild, and her own woman…. ahh me….
How old is she now?? That looks like a rather dated photo of her. She could be old enough to be, like, dead or something.
😀
Indeed, DJ, her body’s gone to the clay — but she’s alive in our hearts. She was absolutely amazing in drag, as well.
Thanks to Suskind for ‘clearing’ Mr. Bubble from my mind. Apologies, Andi.
(Then again, it’s not my birthday!)
Coming right up, suskind, and, for you… hear that? on the jukebox?
…every little breeze
seems to whisper Louiiiiise…
Hemingway Daiquiri
Blend all ingredients with ice until smooth and serve in a margarita glass. Garnish with a lime wedge.
HERE, HAVE A GOOD DOSE OF ARMANDO
Defeatist
by Armando [Subscribe]
Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 06:58:33 PM PST
I would hope that my commitment and support for Senator Russ Feingold’s resolution to censure President Bush for his deliberate violations of FISA is beyond question. But if there are any doubts, let me state it again here – censure is the approprate move for Democrats on this given the fact that Rubber Stamp Republicans are in the majority and will never support this resolution, much less Articles of Impeachment. It is a Lincoln 1860/Politics of Contrast moment. Not to mention the principle involved.
So what would be a successful result for Feingold’s resolution? In my opinion, it will be successful if a vast majority of Democratic senators embrace it, if Bush’s lawlessness becomes a major news topic, and if the Rubber Stamp Republicans embrace 33% Bush. The second and third of these results has occurred. The first has not yet.
A successful result faces two types of defeatism from Liberals and Democrats. The first is the typical DLC-style defeatism. Digby eviscerates it. The highlight for me:
It seems that substantively, the party agrees that Bush broke the law and deserves to be censured, but there is a division among most of the blogosphere and virtually the entire establishment about whether this is a canny move politically. . . .
The [reservations expressed] do not denote timidity, so much as a kind of political blindness.
. . . Two: Please tell me that the Democrats are not going to withhold criticim of Bush because it might make Republicans rally around him. . . . The Republicans have lost the ability to function without them. They are confused and rudderless and they will run back and forth toward Bush and against him dozens of times over the next few months. They literally don’t know where to turn.
. . . I can see why [Democratic officials] are angry about it. They were caught short. But they need to move more quickly on this stuff. Planning is great, but you can’t always control events. How you deal with things coming from left field is important — they failed on this one, making it worse for themselves by ducking the press and dithering about their response. I think Democrats have lost touch with their political instincts. This is one of those things that a smart old fashioned pol would have been able to either finesse or respond to properly off the cuff. (They should have called Bill Clinton — he was good at that sort of thing.)
. . . I said this yesterday and I’ll repeat it. This image of “powerlessness” at a time when the Republicans are on the ropes is the biggest problem we face for the fall elections. . . .
Defeatism: acceptance and content with defeat without struggle. The term is commonly used in the context of war: a soldier can be a defeatist if he or she refuses to fight because he or she thinks that the fight will be lost for sure or that it is not worth fighting for some other reason.
I agree, again in every detail, with Digby. Let me talk about the other defeatism that stands as an obstacle on the flip.
Armando’s diary :: ::
The other defeatism is coming from the Left blogosphere. It is the knee jerk reaction of some to condemn Democrats before they have even decided on the issue. This is defeatism of a very dangerous sort. Why? Because it makes even a success a defeat. This morning I wrote:
With the exception of the dim bulb Dodd, [no Democrat (Lieberman doesn’t count)] said anything really harmful. “I’m going to wait” is not my answer. It is not Feingold’s answer. And in a perfect world it would not be the answer given by ANY Democrat, or Senator for that matter. But that’s not our world.
Now there are different ways to say “I am going to wait.” The manner in which our Democratic Senators did so is an exercise in stupid politics and weakness. Here is a simple lesson for them — Next time, excoriate the Bush Administration for their arrogance, apparent lawlessness, “JUST LIKE IN THE PORTS SCANDAL,” and their inability to “come clean with the American People,” but Censure is a serious matter and one not to be decided lightly. Say that you will seriously consider the Resolution from Senator Feingold, “A MAN OF PRINCIPLE,” but that you are not taking a position at this time.
Senator Reid, of the undecided Dem Senators, comes closest to this. But the opportunity to criticize the President must not be passed up. Argue from strength. Not ready to take a position? Then don’t. But do not act afraid. Whatever you think of the resolution and its effect on Dems’ image on national security, the pathetic show of weakness by these Dem Senators has done 10 times the damage – feeding every negative Dem sterotype of weakness and lack of principle.
Now, does this mean the fight is over? I say decidedly no. We must cajole, urge, fight with and plead with our Democratic Senators to do the right thing on principle and politically.
What we must NOT do is what too many in the blogs are already doing – declaring defeat; calling Dems cowards and worse; condemning them instead of cajoling them.
When we do this we declare defeat TODAY! IF we have lost already, there is no chance of success a week from now, a month from now. Senator Feingold has welcomed the fact that his resolution will be taken up in the Judiciary Committee. We should also. We should understand that only the first act of this drama has unfolded. There is more to come.
Declaring defeat NOW let’s them off the hook now. It’s not a question of trusting them, as one friend of mine wrote to me today. It’s a question of understanding and thinking about what will be most effective in bringing pressure to bear on them in the battle to come.
I submit that declaring them a lost cause TODAY is not only not effective in this fight, it is harmful. Before we decry the defeatism of our Democratic officials it is best that we avoid it ourselves
Defeatist
by Armando [Subscribe]
Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 06:58:33 PM PST
I would hope that my commitment and support for Senator Russ Feingold’s resolution to censure President Bush for his deliberate violations of FISA is beyond question. But if there are any doubts, let me state it again here – censure is the approprate move for Democrats on this given the fact that Rubber Stamp Republicans are in the majority and will never support this resolution, much less Articles of Impeachment. It is a Lincoln 1860/Politics of Contrast moment. Not to mention the principle involved.
So what would be a successful result for Feingold’s resolution? In my opinion, it will be successful if a vast majority of Democratic senators embrace it, if Bush’s lawlessness becomes a major news topic, and if the Rubber Stamp Republicans embrace 33% Bush. The second and third of these results has occurred. The first has not yet.
A successful result faces two types of defeatism from Liberals and Democrats. The first is the typical DLC-style defeatism. Digby eviscerates it. The highlight for me:
It seems that substantively, the party agrees that Bush broke the law and deserves to be censured, but there is a division among most of the blogosphere and virtually the entire establishment about whether this is a canny move politically. . . .
The [reservations expressed] do not denote timidity, so much as a kind of political blindness.
. . . Two: Please tell me that the Democrats are not going to withhold criticim of Bush because it might make Republicans rally around him. . . . The Republicans have lost the ability to function without them. They are confused and rudderless and they will run back and forth toward Bush and against him dozens of times over the next few months. They literally don’t know where to turn.
. . . I can see why [Democratic officials] are angry about it. They were caught short. But they need to move more quickly on this stuff. Planning is great, but you can’t always control events. How you deal with things coming from left field is important — they failed on this one, making it worse for themselves by ducking the press and dithering about their response. I think Democrats have lost touch with their political instincts. This is one of those things that a smart old fashioned pol would have been able to either finesse or respond to properly off the cuff. (They should have called Bill Clinton — he was good at that sort of thing.)
. . . I said this yesterday and I’ll repeat it. This image of “powerlessness” at a time when the Republicans are on the ropes is the biggest problem we face for the fall elections. . . .
Defeatism: acceptance and content with defeat without struggle. The term is commonly used in the context of war: a soldier can be a defeatist if he or she refuses to fight because he or she thinks that the fight will be lost for sure or that it is not worth fighting for some other reason.
I agree, again in every detail, with Digby. Let me talk about the other defeatism that stands as an obstacle on the flip.
Armando’s diary :: ::
The other defeatism is coming from the Left blogosphere. It is the knee jerk reaction of some to condemn Democrats before they have even decided on the issue. This is defeatism of a very dangerous sort. Why? Because it makes even a success a defeat. This morning I wrote:
With the exception of the dim bulb Dodd, [no Democrat (Lieberman doesn’t count)] said anything really harmful. “I’m going to wait” is not my answer. It is not Feingold’s answer. And in a perfect world it would not be the answer given by ANY Democrat, or Senator for that matter. But that’s not our world.
Now there are different ways to say “I am going to wait.” The manner in which our Democratic Senators did so is an exercise in stupid politics and weakness. Here is a simple lesson for them — Next time, excoriate the Bush Administration for their arrogance, apparent lawlessness, “JUST LIKE IN THE PORTS SCANDAL,” and their inability to “come clean with the American People,” but Censure is a serious matter and one not to be decided lightly. Say that you will seriously consider the Resolution from Senator Feingold, “A MAN OF PRINCIPLE,” but that you are not taking a position at this time.
Senator Reid, of the undecided Dem Senators, comes closest to this. But the opportunity to criticize the President must not be passed up. Argue from strength. Not ready to take a position? Then don’t. But do not act afraid. Whatever you think of the resolution and its effect on Dems’ image on national security, the pathetic show of weakness by these Dem Senators has done 10 times the damage – feeding every negative Dem sterotype of weakness and lack of principle.
Now, does this mean the fight is over? I say decidedly no. We must cajole, urge, fight with and plead with our Democratic Senators to do the right thing on principle and politically.
What we must NOT do is what too many in the blogs are already doing – declaring defeat; calling Dems cowards and worse; condemning them instead of cajoling them.
When we do this we declare defeat TODAY! IF we have lost already, there is no chance of success a week from now, a month from now. Senator Feingold has welcomed the fact that his resolution will be taken up in the Judiciary Committee. We should also. We should understand that only the first act of this drama has unfolded. There is more to come.
Declaring defeat NOW let’s them off the hook now. It’s not a question of trusting them, as one friend of mine wrote to me today. It’s a question of understanding and thinking about what will be most effective in bringing pressure to bear on them in the battle to come.
I submit that declaring them a lost cause TODAY is not only not effective in this fight, it is harmful. Before we decry the defeatism of our Democratic officials it is best that we avoid it ourselves
Okay, this pub is closed. The Froggy Bottom Cabaret is now open. Suskind, feel free to bring Louise — she’ll fit in fine.