Martin Longman a contributing editor at the Washington Monthly.
He is also the founder of Booman Tribune and Progress Pond. He has a degree in philosophy from Western Michigan University.
maybe her pimp..oops..I mean father talked some liberal sense into her. Not to mention she just recently met with the Governor of New Mexico. Perhaps she has seen the light.
Y’know, I’m actually starting to feel a little sorry for Katie Holmes, or worried or something. I feel like I’m witnessing evidence of something very wrong. I hope she has friends and family who care enough to do more for her than leak nuggets to the press.
Single parenthood ain’t that bad…and you’re a good Catholic girl so you know that Mary didn’t marry her Child’s dad either… 😉
Seriously, I’m terrified — not just for Katie but for the kid; Hollywood shrinks are already going to be booked up with working over Michael Jackson’s kids in about 15-20 years…
The whole silence thing blows my mind. Having been in the delivery room with my wife three times, the whole concept seems of keeping the mom silent seems insane. It also seems unfair that Tom Cruise would be denied the pleasure of having all sorts of verbal invective directed at him while his sig other is delivering their child. For me, that in and of itself was a learning experience. 🙂
This is so twisted that only a man could think it up. :>)
As Arminus pointed out http://www.xenu.net is a great resource for learning about Scientology. It is truly a frightening cult, but silence during childbirth is totally new to me. That has got to be seriously dangerous. How do the medical professionals consult and communicate with the birth mom?
No dad in sight? WTF? Why should he be protected from seeing the reality of childbirth and how dare he be immune from their screaming mates!
My wife definitely wanted me around. I learned that during contractions that my wife gained superhuman strength, and if she held onto my hand she could crush it to dust! That and I will always remember the first childbirth when she took a bedpan and lobbed it in my general vicinity (she says that was a mere coincidence and not to take it personally). I would certainly not wish to see any father denied those experiences. 🙂
I’m now keeping xenu.net bookmarked. I’d forgotten all about it til this thread.
I have you all beat. My marriage is my wife’s second, and when I married her I got three kids in the bargain, the youngest age 3. I managed to not only skip out on the delivery room, but diapers as well.
I told my boss I was marrying a woman with three kids. He just looked at me and said, “Omir, you’ve got to be the laziest guy I know.”
Thanks for that laugh in the midst of this sad contemplation. Once I thought Katie’s family had put the kibosh on this whole relationship, but gosh – that was pre-pregnancy. The poor girl needs help.
is their new future messiah/leader.
The reason for the quiet is scientologists believe the subconscious picks up every little word and a negative word – like oh, no or don’t – will trigger bad memory stuff for a baby or person in trauma- something weird like that.
For more on “scientology,” which damn sure isn’t a real “religion,” see http://www.xenu.net/ .
L. Ron Hubbard, who invented scientology, was a second or third tier sci fi writer and druggie who wasn’t making much money. In 1950 he attended a sci fi writers’ convention in Washington, D.C. and told the audience that they were all fools. The way to make a fortune, he proclaimed, was to invent a religion and claim it’s true. This actually happened.
And he went right out and did it within the next year and made a fortune.
A major part of his “theology” is the legacy of the “Piltdown Man,” which was proven to be a total hoax a few years after Hubbard wrote about it.
He claims we are all descended from clams and suffer neuroses that trace back to our clam lives. He says we all also are occupied by a soul-like entity called a “thetan.” They’re not from earth. No, the evil galactic ruler Xenu brought millions of thetans to Earth 35 million years ago, chained them around a giant volcano, and then blew up the volcano. (That’s why there is a volcano on the cover of every issue of Dianetics: A Guide to Mental Health, the sciengology “bible” that is sold at airports and 7-11s.) The thetans, after being blown up, have continued to haunt life on earth, but they’re very messed up, having been blown up. THAT is the “religion” of scientology. Of course, scientologists have to keep paying HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to get to the advanced level where they tell you about Xenu.
Scientology is an evil, destructive cult. It has been banned in several countries. They use extortion, torture, blackmail, and supposedly even murder, and they are the most litigious people on earth. It is an evil con game.
It is just totally mind-boggling that the brain-dead media just tends to treat them uncritically as a “religion.”
Ironically, one of their main points is opposition to psychiatry and psychiatric drugs, and Hubbard was full of psych meds when he died.
Cruise is hooked because he is very vain and very stupid and fell for their big Hollywood special center for recruiting hack celebrities.
The site I linked above is really huge. It’s a wonder the author has survived so far.
Huh? I really don’t understand what you mean. Please explain.
Do you mean that it is so obvious that they’re nuts that it’s a waste of time to point that out?
Maybe that seems obvious to you, and to most of the educated people on this board, but they continue to con thousands of new victims a year, whom they call “raw meat” in their internal documents.
I have no idea who “Chef” is.
I had no idea who the scientologists were myself until I got harangued like crazy by several of them in Montreal on a vacation in 1990.
Do you mean that it is so obvious that they’re nuts that it’s a waste of time to point that out?
Right. There are other religions more worthy of criticism. Like the Snake Cult in the South, where snakes are tortured and abused, although every now and then one of them gets revenge.
And you are right about that Scientology cult pulling in many other emotionally vulnerable people.
Just FYI for anyone who’s interested…I’ve got some pictures from the We Believe launch posted at Faithful Ohio, as well links and excerpts from some of the news coverage.
Carlyle Group Explores Acquisition of Port Operations http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/031406A.shtml
Private equity firm The Carlyle Group established a team to acquire public-purpose facilities, such as ports, a day after a United Arab Emirates company said it would transfer newly acquired operations at American ports to a US organization.
Robert Dreyfuss | Deja Vu All Over Iran http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/031406B.shtml
Comedians might be forgiven for making jokes that President Bush is talking about drawing down US forces in Iraq because he needs them next door in Iran. It isn’t, however, so far off the mark, warns Robert Dreyfuss.
Donald Rumsfeld is laughing his head off. The Financial Tribune UK is reporting that Bush is BACKING OFF his pre-emptive policy. Tomorrow Bush’s next bombshell will blow in the Washington Post.
On Saturday the world will demonstrate against this expanding insane war.
Will they gag poor Katie to stifle her grunts, gasps, panting, YEE-AAAARGH’s and Omigawd’s? Will they strap on a Cone of Silence helmet? Will they stick her thru a hole in a wall that puts her head and shoulders in one room and her pelvis in another?
Drug-free is fine; I did it twice. And certainly, keep yelling, sofa-bouncing Tom out of there — loud noises can startle newborns. And we can’t expect an ego-centric lout like him to focus on assisting Katie during child-birth. But, I believe, one of the most comforting, soothing sounds a baby can hear immediately after birth is its mother’s voice. How terrible to deny that connection.
I just watched Markos on Olbermann. He did very well.
I was just reading an entire diary on this over at Orange in which the best advice was that he needed to get a tan.
You were lucky when you went on the radio. Next time we’ll do an evaluative diary, just like for Kos 🙂
Jessica Simpson snubbed Shrub, refusing to appear at a GOP fundraiser. heh
maybe her pimp..oops..I mean father talked some liberal sense into her. Not to mention she just recently met with the Governor of New Mexico. Perhaps she has seen the light.
Tom Cruise is a full term abortion. It just hasn`t kicked in yet.
Y’know, I’m actually starting to feel a little sorry for Katie Holmes, or worried or something. I feel like I’m witnessing evidence of something very wrong. I hope she has friends and family who care enough to do more for her than leak nuggets to the press.
GET…OUT…NOW!!!
Single parenthood ain’t that bad…and you’re a good Catholic girl so you know that Mary didn’t marry her Child’s dad either… 😉
Seriously, I’m terrified — not just for Katie but for the kid; Hollywood shrinks are already going to be booked up with working over Michael Jackson’s kids in about 15-20 years…
And the irony of having Tom Cruise’s baby on a Cruise Ship.
And Penelope Cruz will have to be the Godmother. Now, shall we start compiling the soundtrack?
If only ship were an aircraft carrier . . .
Well, we can only do so much.
and delivery, according to a TV piece on the couple and Scientology birth customs. That is in addition to the ban on any pain relieving medicine.
That whole silence thing just seems like uneccessary cruelty. How the hell did Hubbard dream that one up?
The whole silence thing blows my mind. Having been in the delivery room with my wife three times, the whole concept seems of keeping the mom silent seems insane. It also seems unfair that Tom Cruise would be denied the pleasure of having all sorts of verbal invective directed at him while his sig other is delivering their child. For me, that in and of itself was a learning experience. 🙂
This is so twisted that only a man could think it up. :>)
As Arminus pointed out http://www.xenu.net is a great resource for learning about Scientology. It is truly a frightening cult, but silence during childbirth is totally new to me. That has got to be seriously dangerous. How do the medical professionals consult and communicate with the birth mom?
No dad in sight? WTF? Why should he be protected from seeing the reality of childbirth and how dare he be immune from their screaming mates!
Rofl! 🙂
My wife definitely wanted me around. I learned that during contractions that my wife gained superhuman strength, and if she held onto my hand she could crush it to dust! That and I will always remember the first childbirth when she took a bedpan and lobbed it in my general vicinity (she says that was a mere coincidence and not to take it personally). I would certainly not wish to see any father denied those experiences. 🙂
I’m now keeping xenu.net bookmarked. I’d forgotten all about it til this thread.
I have you all beat. My marriage is my wife’s second, and when I married her I got three kids in the bargain, the youngest age 3. I managed to not only skip out on the delivery room, but diapers as well.
I told my boss I was marrying a woman with three kids. He just looked at me and said, “Omir, you’ve got to be the laziest guy I know.”
Thanks for that laugh in the midst of this sad contemplation. Once I thought Katie’s family had put the kibosh on this whole relationship, but gosh – that was pre-pregnancy. The poor girl needs help.
Sounds like a new form of torture to me.
is their new future messiah/leader.
The reason for the quiet is scientologists believe the subconscious picks up every little word and a negative word – like oh, no or don’t – will trigger bad memory stuff for a baby or person in trauma- something weird like that.
Don’t get me started on that group…ewwww!
Ductape, you are definitely going soft…
Of course Cruise is insane.
For more on “scientology,” which damn sure isn’t a real “religion,” see http://www.xenu.net/ .
L. Ron Hubbard, who invented scientology, was a second or third tier sci fi writer and druggie who wasn’t making much money. In 1950 he attended a sci fi writers’ convention in Washington, D.C. and told the audience that they were all fools. The way to make a fortune, he proclaimed, was to invent a religion and claim it’s true. This actually happened.
And he went right out and did it within the next year and made a fortune.
A major part of his “theology” is the legacy of the “Piltdown Man,” which was proven to be a total hoax a few years after Hubbard wrote about it.
He claims we are all descended from clams and suffer neuroses that trace back to our clam lives. He says we all also are occupied by a soul-like entity called a “thetan.” They’re not from earth. No, the evil galactic ruler Xenu brought millions of thetans to Earth 35 million years ago, chained them around a giant volcano, and then blew up the volcano. (That’s why there is a volcano on the cover of every issue of Dianetics: A Guide to Mental Health, the sciengology “bible” that is sold at airports and 7-11s.) The thetans, after being blown up, have continued to haunt life on earth, but they’re very messed up, having been blown up. THAT is the “religion” of scientology. Of course, scientologists have to keep paying HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to get to the advanced level where they tell you about Xenu.
Scientology is an evil, destructive cult. It has been banned in several countries. They use extortion, torture, blackmail, and supposedly even murder, and they are the most litigious people on earth. It is an evil con game.
It is just totally mind-boggling that the brain-dead media just tends to treat them uncritically as a “religion.”
Ironically, one of their main points is opposition to psychiatry and psychiatric drugs, and Hubbard was full of psych meds when he died.
Cruise is hooked because he is very vain and very stupid and fell for their big Hollywood special center for recruiting hack celebrities.
The site I linked above is really huge. It’s a wonder the author has survived so far.
because Scientology is so far out, it does not need criticism.
Huh? I really don’t understand what you mean. Please explain.
Do you mean that it is so obvious that they’re nuts that it’s a waste of time to point that out?
Maybe that seems obvious to you, and to most of the educated people on this board, but they continue to con thousands of new victims a year, whom they call “raw meat” in their internal documents.
I have no idea who “Chef” is.
I had no idea who the scientologists were myself until I got harangued like crazy by several of them in Montreal on a vacation in 1990.
Chef
Do you mean that it is so obvious that they’re nuts that it’s a waste of time to point that out?
Right. There are other religions more worthy of criticism. Like the Snake Cult in the South, where snakes are tortured and abused, although every now and then one of them gets revenge.
And you are right about that Scientology cult pulling in many other emotionally vulnerable people.
And according to South Park, where I get most of my cultural information [sic], Scientology is based on a science ficiton about unhappy aliens.
Tommy, I don’t mind that your range as an actor is severely limited but your range as a pundit is less than zero. Get help, you can afford it.
(Chef) is quitting South Park over that episode — he’s a Scientologist too.
Maybe the creators will kill off his character in a tragic kitchen accident:
“Oh my God, they killed Chef! You bastards!”
🙂
Just FYI for anyone who’s interested…I’ve got some pictures from the We Believe launch posted at Faithful Ohio, as well links and excerpts from some of the news coverage.
http://faithfulohio.blogspot.com/
Carlyle Group Explores Acquisition of Port Operations
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/031406A.shtml
Private equity firm The Carlyle Group established a team to acquire public-purpose facilities, such as ports, a day after a United Arab Emirates company said it would transfer newly acquired operations at American ports to a US organization.
Robert Dreyfuss | Deja Vu All Over Iran
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/031406B.shtml
Comedians might be forgiven for making jokes that President Bush is talking about drawing down US forces in Iraq because he needs them next door in Iran. It isn’t, however, so far off the mark, warns Robert Dreyfuss.
Donald Rumsfeld is laughing his head off. The Financial Tribune UK is reporting that Bush is BACKING OFF his pre-emptive policy. Tomorrow Bush’s next bombshell will blow in the Washington Post.
On Saturday the world will demonstrate against this expanding insane war.
March 18, 2006
MARCH IN MARCH
INTERNATIONAL ANTI-WAR COALITION
The whole world is watching.
what was meant by an “American entity,” though I heard (and took part in) some lively offline discussions on whether it meant Carlyle or Halliburton.
but when I read silence and labor in the same sentence I burst out laughing. Not Possible! I have some laboring silence for ole Tom.
Will they gag poor Katie to stifle her grunts, gasps, panting, YEE-AAAARGH’s and Omigawd’s? Will they strap on a Cone of Silence helmet? Will they stick her thru a hole in a wall that puts her head and shoulders in one room and her pelvis in another?
Drug-free is fine; I did it twice. And certainly, keep yelling, sofa-bouncing Tom out of there — loud noises can startle newborns. And we can’t expect an ego-centric lout like him to focus on assisting Katie during child-birth. But, I believe, one of the most comforting, soothing sounds a baby can hear immediately after birth is its mother’s voice. How terrible to deny that connection.