If you don’t want to do the time, don’t commit the crimes. Every street tough understands this basic wisdom. And Karl Rove understands it, too. But, they have committed the crimes. Oodles of them. And that makes them extremely dangerous. They cannot afford to lose either house of congress, and yet, they appear poised to lose at least one of them. The Democrats are playing down the prospects of impeachment, but everyone knows that impeachment will become a strong possibility once John Conyers starts holding hearings in the Judiciairy Committee. And it won’t be some kind of farce like the Clinton impeachment process. This time, it will be a lot more like Watergate. Once the testimony starts flowing, or the stonewalling becomes too egregious, even the Republicans will be forced to concede the degree of Bush’s criminality. Jim Rutenberg decribes the panic in a piece for the New York Times:
To anyone who doubts the stakes for the White House in this year’s midterm Congressional elections, consider that Representative John Conyers Jr. of Michigan, the Democrat who would become chairman of the Judiciary Committee if his party recaptured the House, has called for an inquiry into the possible impeachment of President Bush over the war in Iraq.
Or listen to Senator Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont, who would run the Senate Judiciary Committee if the Democrats took the Senate. Mr. Leahy vowed in a recent interview to subpoena top administration officials, if he got the chance, to answer more questions about their secret eavesdropping program and what he considers faulty prewar intelligence.
The prospect of the administration spending its last two years being grilled by angry Democrats under the heat of partisan spotlights has added urgency to the efforts by Karl Rove and Mr. Bush’s political team to hang on to the Republican majorities in Congress.
The prospect of the Republicans getting grilled over their crimes and incompetence is so unpleasant to contemplate that we can be sure that the Republicans will consider virtually anything to prevent it from happening. Even if they think they can stave off an impeachment, they have Bush’s legacy to think about. So, when Rove says the following, we have to take him very seriously.
Mr. Rove said he was not worried. “We won’t see how that plays out because they’re not going to win,” he said.
Is he talking tough, or does he know something we don’t? Consider for a moment the cards in Rove’s hand (and I don’t mean the ability to rig elections or issue phony terror warnings).
In meetings at the White House, aboard Air Force One and in candidates’ home states, Mr. Rove is trying to rally Republicans to stand by the president and his agenda.
He has focused in particular on uniting them behind the administration’s proposals to overhaul immigration, which include guest worker provisions that conservatives despise; the Iraq war, which has driven Mr. Bush’s poll numbers sharply downward; and the Medicare prescription drug program, which the administration says will cost $872 billion from 2006 to 2014 and which Mr. Bush backed enthusiastically despite complaints from conservatives that it was a vast expansion of the social welfare state.
In other words, Rove has nada. His reelection message is even more unpopular with Republicans than it is with Democrats. This will lead him to make a familiar argument.
They are refining state “victory programs” to identify potentially friendly voters who can be expected to receive messages about how the Democrats are ill prepared to fight terrorism or will undo tax cuts the president wants to make permanent.
None of this is sufficient to get the job done. The Republicans are going to lose and lose very badly unless something truly horrible happens that unites the country, or they somehow rig the vote. I’m not sure rigging the vote is even an option this year. The Presidential election came down to the results in two states, Ohio and Florida, where the polling was close and the election machinery was firmly in the hands of Bush loyalists. The Congressional elections are taking place in every district in the country. Moreover, Rove is likely to be indicted anyday, and that will only make the Republican efforts more daunting. No, only another 9/11 type attack has any prospect of preventing a total collapse of this administration. And I’m not the only one saying this. Here’s Sean Wilentz in Rolling Stone:
George W. Bush’s presidency appears headed for colossal historical disgrace. Barring a cataclysmic event on the order of the terrorist attacks of September 11th, after which the public might rally around the White House once again, there seems to be little the administration can do to avoid being ranked on the lowest tier of U.S. presidents. And that may be the best-case scenario.
So true, but Karl Rove says they are not going to lose either house. Bluster? I hope so. I hate living in a country where I have to worry that my government is willing to kill American civilians and frame terrorists for it in order to prevent basic oversight of their crimes. But that is the world we are living in. Paranoid? Maybe. But, not naive.
Paranoid? Nope.
Just sickeningly aware.
Barring a cataclysmic event on the order of the terrorist attacks of September 11th, after which the public might rally around the White House once again . . .
I think the key word in there is “might”. I’m not sure at this point if the public would rally around him. They might. Or they might be so pissed that he let it happen, whether intentionally or through sheer incompetence, that they throw everyone out of office.
I think it’s far more likely that the “surprise” will be the air bombing of Iran. And when the Dems object they’ll talk about how Dems are ill prepared to fight terrorism.
I’m not at all sure, though, that this strategy will work for the them either.
I agree that a preemptive and ill-considered attack on Iran is a likely and more probable avenue for the GOP. However, I am not at all sure they can bring the wisemen that really make such decisions along for the ride. The revolt of the Generals seems to be a part of the resistance. Murtha is part of it. Who knows? Maybe even Goss is part of it. The Brits are not going for it. It looks like a very hard sell.
However, if something bad happens domestically, resistance may evaporate. We could be talking about the same thing.
I really hate thinking like this, but this administration is truly desperate and they have regime change in Iran very high on their to-do list.
That’s why I said air strikes. Somewhere today I read that the air force is less negative about striking Iran than the rest of the military. Sorry I can’t link to that, but I don’t remember where I read it. If it comes to me I’ll come back with a link.
But I agree, a domestic incident could be used to soften resistence to a strike against Iran. I’m not sure that still couldn’t backfire on them. The public may be manipulated into supporting the strike but still go to the polls with a “throw the bums” out result. After all, they are voting on congress, not the president.
I think air strikes against Iran are inevitable, because the Administration is foolish enough to think this would be a good thing for them. Unfortunately, Iran has to realize air strikes are inevitable too, which means they have months to plan their response. Bombing another country is a declaration of war, regardless of what the idiots advising Bush think, and most people will blame Bush for the inevitable reprisals.
If I had to bet on anything, it’s that Bush will get thousands more people killed in his quest to avoid accountability for his crimes. If people still thought of Bush as a resolute leader (like most of the media still does for some reason) then it might work, but most people now think of Bush as an incompetent bumbler so it’s extremely unlikely that many would rally around the warmonger-in-chief. He is just as likely to lose some of the meager support he has left.
The thing about air strikes, as in any other military action, is the aftermath. Acts of war are a tricky business. With Blair possibly on the ropes, no agreement on sanctions, and Russian & China on the record demanding diplomatic solutions, I think the AF more likely said yes they can, but recommend against.
Hopefully, but the Air Force will follow orders when the time comes and I don’t think the administration really cares what anyone else thinks (when have they ever, even once?). They see this attack as a good thing for their popularity and they’re going to do it no matter what. I hope I’m wrong.
They see this attack as a good thing for their popularity . . .
I tend to believe Hersh’s analysis: generals will walk. And no one on any general staff would engage in a military strike to boost enlistment.
My quick and dirty take (as it seems that good minds are thinking alike, or something like that):
Nerdified Link.
Remember folks, you heard it here first, if it happens:
There was a brief story on NPR this morning that the president of Iran sent a letter to Bush via the Swiss saying, basically, “Let’s talk not fight.”
And suddenly a sinking feeling came over me as I realized here was a way for Bush to pull his sorry ass out of the fire and make everyone forgive him, salvage his place in history (at least a tad), etc. He is going to Tehran. The Iranians will agree to allow international inspections and agree to stand by their treaty commitments regarding peaceful atomic power, in exchange for Bush unplugging the Wurlitzer. Bush will get an agreement from the Iranians to help in the “War on Terror.” Cookies and punch for everybody, except Osama, who will suddenly reappear, in handcuffs, as part of the new international lovefest. And Halliburton will get major oil drilling contracts out of the deal. Everyone goes home happy to ticker tape parades and a future that much more financially secure. And the Islamic zealots and Christian extremists will be left out in the rain, to the relief of the vast middle who will now support the current rulers, because it’s not about religion, really, it’s about money. And the faithful pawns can now be sacrificed to meet the needs of the kings. Same as it ever was.
He and the cabal win in November – probably the only way the Republicans win in November – by doing the two things we’ve been set up to totally not expect them to do – negotiate a peace treaty and capture Osama. Since this is the only way they can seriously hope to win – another terror attack at this point would reflect poorly on Bush, his management of the CIA, etc., and bird flu isn’t cooperating by mutating as needed – I expect they’re secretly working furiously on this.
OK we heard it from you first.
It’s an interesting theory and if this WAS the Nixon administration I might believe they could pull this off. But I find it hard to believe that this bunch of incompetents could do it. Especially since they are particularly incomptetent on an international level.
I’ve just proved your point, however, that if they DO manage to pull it off they are going to impress everyone.
Agreed. I will be impressed and happy if they pull that off.
I think it’s gone too far for that at this point. The wingnut religious right is bombarding the airwaves with messages that the anti-christ has been born in Iran and this will precipitate the apocalypse and WWIII… and that this is a good thing for the US.
Rove decided that was the way to rally support so if they make peace (appeasement in right wing parlance) with the anti-christ now there is no way in hell they are surviving the backlash from their base.
Hell, my grandmother, who is pretty damn liberal, but trusts her TV preachers, is almost sold on the idea… religion is the opiate of the masses and all… they’ve gone too far to back down I fear.
So it all comes down to “a man cannot serve two masters.” Who’s he going to appease? The money men or the zealots. I’ll bet on the money men, but I agree it’s not a sure bet.
Do you have a link or reference on someone saying the antichrist is alive and in Iran? Just curious.
not off hand, I heard it on my teevee while at my grandparents and then it was reinforced a week later by a conversation I had over dinner. I’ll see if I can find out which preachers show it was on.
yeah, money or zealots. I’d bet on the money masters too, but I think the admin unleashed a monster by catering to the “base” and now can’t put the genie back in the bottle. I hope I’m wrong of course.
Democrats don’t have a lock on the election by any means. Turnout in each district, in each state will be crucial. Rove will try to whip up their base and suppress the rest. Besides overconfident Democrats not getting out their vote, I see two danger possibilities: 1.an electorate–particularly Independents–so turned off on both parties that they won’t vote. 2. An electorate so turned off that they turn on all incumbents, regardless of party. So whhen the dust settles, Republicans hold a much smaller margin, but keep both houses.
Exactly. 435 (?) individual House races. Based on what I’ve seen so far, it will be extremely close.
I’ve been to this party before. Color me skeptical, at best.
This is just too hard to predict–shit-talking notwithstanding. The rethugs didn’t know they’d take over like they did until late in October–if then.
“unless something truly horrible happens that unites the country, or they somehow rig the vote.”
Something happeening is a frightening possibility and we know the vote rigging is a tactic they’ve got downpat but eventually even these will fail. As much as they want to attack Iran, they are finding too much resistance.
the Democrats really would like to talk to people before we have to bomb them!
fail?
two reasons: over 500 local races to worry about versus one national race based on, really, two statewide elections.
In 2004, potential hackers could focus on a narrow list of targets with the knowledge that the state government and highest ranking election officials were Bush loyalists. It’s a big, risky job, but nothing compared to playing with the results from 40 to 50 house races.
Secondly, the polls in 2004, nationally and in Ohio and Florida only favored Kerry slightly. This created an atmosphere where the results were only mildly surprising.
In races concerning 40-50 contested house elections, the polls will vary in each state, making the job of culling or padding votes much harder to strategize in advance. Moreover, it could be impossible to keep enough races close enough in polling to provide the needed cover of a better turn-out effort, or whatever.
Simply put, as the GAO report indicated, the opportunity will exist in certain districts to hack the vote or play with the tabulation. But, there will too many complicating factors to make it a viable option for disguising the will of the people throughout the country.
I completely agree that the chance of getting away with rigging elections this time is slim, too many people and races would be involved to keep it quiet. However, Rove is arrogant and desperate enough to do it despite the odds. If they lose they’re going to prison anyway, what difference does it make whether it’s for war crimes or election fraud?
any kind of terror attack will backfire. on 9/11 the public gave the administration the benefit of the doubt since it was new and untested. today they have zero credibilty and zero trust. another attack — of any magnitude — would be rightly perceived as yet another failure. no one will rally. they’ll be excoriated.
it’s possible that they could give themselves some kind of bounce by pulling osama out of a hat, but if all the public gets out of it is one terrorist and no ease in the worldwide violence, that bounce will be small and short lived.
election fraud won’t work since the margins have become too wide; too many votes need to be subverted; too many people, suspicious after 200 and 2004, will be watching and too many will scream bloody murder if the results look fishy.
they need to regain some of that trust they once had. photo ops and gas rebate bribes and voting fraud certainly won’t do it. but real reform and substantitive legislation will. but that kind of progress can only be made if republicans choose to buck the will of an administration that refuses to change course and if they put up a united front.
but that won’t happen since republicans are too fractured to unite and too cynical and corrupt to invest the energy needed to enact real tangible benefits for the electorate.
so in short, they’re toast. they have bupkis and they know it. they’re gone and no one will cry when they leave.
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I wish to bring your attention to a device that Sgt. Arleigh McCree, the renowned head of the Los Angeles Police Bomb Squad Unit, felt certain was the device responsible for blowing up the US Army chartered ARROW AIR DC-8 passenger transport that crashed in Gander, Newfoundland December 12, 1985. All of the 248 servicemen and the 8 person flight crew died when the bomb exploded immediately after take-off.
There are compelling reasons to believe that this air crash involved a nuclear accident. Within hours of the “crash”, U S Army General John Crosby arrived with a Broken Arrow Nuclear Disaster Team, and, without conducting any normal investigation, ordered the area bulldozed over with 6 feet of soil. There was a glowing white-hot object the size of a large grapefruit that had burned through the plane and through the body of a stewardess. This object continued to glow “white-hot” for 16 hours even after fire hoses were trained on it. This is NOT chemical behavior. It is what can only be expected of a sub-critical core of a nuclear bomb whose explosive shell had burned but did not detonate. The presence of this white-hot glowing object is the key to the motive for the bombing.
Most of the military victims had been part of the 101st Airborne who were returning from Cairo, Egypt, where they were part of the U. N. peacekeeping mission enforcing the Camp David Accords. However, in addition to these troops, there was also a small group of Special Operations personnel who boarded the plane at the last minute. Sources found to be reliable told me that these personnel smuggled a nuclear backpack bomb aboard in Cairo because they had discovered the true nature of their recently cancelled hostage rescue mission.
Their mission included surreptitiously transporting and detonating a small, man-portable nuclear backpack bomb at an Iraqi nuclear weapons development facility to make it seem like an Iraqi nuclear accident. This mission seems to have been under the direction of Lt. Col. Oliver North who frequently utilized Arrow Air to smuggle arms and other contraband in conjunction with the Iran-Contra operation. The soldiers were not told that they would not have the chance to outrun the blast that would destroy them. Thank God it is the duty of every soldier to disobey an unlawful order or the world would have seen its third intentional tactical nuclear detonation and the mass destruction of innocent civilians by a nuclear bomb.
● The CIA by Janette Rainwater
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That important distinction between those two impeachment efforts shows the problem with saying that impeachment will be a "strong possibility" before we have the sort of strong facts on the table that made Watergate become viewed in a bipartisan way as justification for impeachment.
With the current state of the facts (the facts that everyone is willing to agree upon) the only sort of an ‘impeachment’ that could take place would be the half-baked, failed, party lines kind effort that the Republicans mounted against Clinton. That is something Americans never want to see again and that is precisely what Rove is accusing Democrats of planning.
So the line needs to be that there should be hearings on a lot of things and that only after that fact finding could any talk of impeachment be justified. And as far as I can tell that is the the party line. I don’t think Rep Conyers’ position is really any different. He is just demanding hearings that the Republican majority will never permit.
If he gets the gavel he will hold hearings on lots of stuff and we will see where the chips fall. He will have the power to put a lot of heat on the Bush administration, but any decision on impeachment would be up to the Democratic leadership and caucus and I think we should take their word for it that as things stand now impeachment is not a priority. We should not seem to agree with Rove about what the Democrats really plan to do.
I do agree with Rove and I agree with you. It really comes down to a shared consensus that the Bush administration has crossed the line and engaged in clearly criminal acts. The question is, how manifest can the Dems make those acts through hearings and investigations?
The reason the Dems should not run on impeachment is because we do not want to distract the executive with a nasty partisan fight in a battle we cannot win without Republican support. But impeachment is still a likely outcome if conviction becomes a strong possibility.
However, the Dems would do better to focus on impeaching Cheney first. They will meet with much less resistance. The GOP seems almost ready to let Cheney go.
If we can get Bush to accept different handlers than Cheney and Rumsfeld, we might be able to negotiate a way for Bush to finish out his term.
IF Bushco nukes Iran,…
IF there is another terrorist attack in the US, or…
IF the Repubs retain control of Congress in November,
I am going to get in my car, drive to DC and make a stand. I hope a million or more people join me.
…beg Oui and Mrs. Oui to let Mr. AP and me stay with them until we can get our own place.
The Oui family may have to open a hotel. 😉
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You know the kids have moved out a few years ago, so there’s plenty of room in our house. Our neighbour has already consented to provide “onderdak” or shelter. Both of our families have experience during WWII to provide an “onderduikadres”. My parents sheltered close relatives in the years 1941-1945, who were called for labor assignment in the German military industry in Ruhrgebiet.
British Embassy Lange Voorhout
The parents of our neighbours were employed by the British Embassy in The Hague for the Ambassador’s Residence in city center at Westeinde, and provided shelter on their premises for nearly 100 refugees, hiding them from the occupying German Nazi forces. The difficulty was of course, to provide food for such a large number of extra mouths to feed. Food and all basic essentials were available through stamps only. The British Embassy managed by throwing many extra festivities and receptions for all accredited foreign dignateries. Many uniformed Nazi and SS officers were present and literally just a few feet away from storage areas, where the refugees were hiding. Amazing.
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You can count on an Orange Alert come election time. While another “attack” against us would not fly with many, I think the general flag-waving, circle the wagons mentality and support for the neocon junta would be a reality and they could use it to declare a national emergency and martial law. Hopefully this will not happen but we have to be aware of the possibility and make some kind of contingency plans.