Oh, what a mixed bag of emotions I felt while reading Chris Bowers’s response to RFK’s stolen election article and OneCrankyDom’s diary. Chris is irritated with fraudsters that sit on their ass:
Is that really the goal–to get the extremely disturbing tale of vote suppression and possible vote fraud in Ohio and elsewhere into the Mainstream? Is the hope that when the Big Papers run with it, then the problem will be solved, because even Republicans in Congress will be shamed into passing good election reform legislation?… Are we supposed to show [the media] some sort of deity-like reverence?
I can sense something really depressing at play here, similar to what I wrote about in my recent dairy Draft Gore–But Only If You Mean It. All of complaints that the Big Bloggers were not writing enough about election reform, the desire to see election reform talked about in the Mainstream Big Papers, the desired hopelessness at play in some “stolen election” threads–I can see where this is all leading now. The mentality surrounding the “stolen election” diaries has the clear stink of looking for someone else to solve the problem for you. There is no sense of “Do It Yourself” grassroots action to fix the problem in these dairies. In the same way that these diaries imply individual voters are being denied by a great outside power of some sort, the same dairies look to a great outside power to solve the problem.
This laziness cannot stand.
As Chris lays out in this same article, in Philadelphia we have been running an insurgency. Chris actually won two elections on May 16th. He was on the ballot for local ward Democratic committee, and he won a successful last minute write-in campaign for the statewide Democratic committee. And he went and counted those write-in votes himself and discussed them with the election judge. When you roll up your sleeves and throw yourself into action, it can be very irritating to encounter electoral defeatism, fatalism, or constant negativity about the state of the party. The cure for this is, trust me, to get into the fight.
And, yet, there is another aspect of Chris’s diary that I disagree with.
Over the past year, I have been involved in what Jerome first termed “the silent revolution,” the national effort by grassroots democrats to retake the Democratic Party by running for local and statewide Democratic Party office. The term “silent” for this effort is important to note, because while thousands of progressive activists have won Democratic Party office in this campaign, it has received virtually no press coverage whatsoever…
This is a massive nationwide movement involving tens of thousands of activists, but the Big Papers, the Mainstream, and even most Big Bloggers have hardly covered it at all. That, however, has not stopped the revolution form taking place. In fact, I’m not even sure what a lot of mainstream coverage would do to help the movement. Would editorials help more people find their local Democratic committee meeting times’? Would they help form new grassroots organizations to recruit and network new committeepeople? I am going to go with “no” on both counts. This is a revolution that does not need press in order to succeed.
The thing is, any real election reform movement would be carried out in precisely the same fashion as the silent revolution is being carried out.
Any national movement for reform will benefit from two things: publicity and the (at least passive) support of the majority of the people. The mainstream media’s influence is waning, and there is no single authoritative voice, like Cronkite’s, that can declare the 2004 election stolen and turn a conspiracy theory into accepted wisdom. But, there is no substitute for open non-cynical MSM coverage and speculation about the 2004 election being stolen, if we want publicity and we want momentum for electoral reform. Getting RFK’s story into the MSM should be a very high priority of the blogosphere. In this case, I think Chris is letting his personal frustration with defeatists and armchair generals cloud his judgment about the benefits of spreading the meme that the 2004 election was stolen. It’s not an either or thing. It’s not either you push the story on the MSM, or you run for office and make sure all the voting equipment is properly audited. It’s both.
And that kind of publicity is important for another reason. As Kerry explained in the RFK article:
Kerry says his fellow Democrats have been reluctant to push the reforms, fearing that Republicans would use their majority in Congress to create even more obstacles to voting. ”The real reason there is no appetite up here is that people are afraid the Republicans will amend HAVA and shove something far worse down our throats,” he told me.
In the current climate, a Democratic bill on electoral reform would be laden down with amendments (like photo ID requirements) that would further disenfranchise African-Americans. Bringing up a bill is, therefore, a fool’s errand. We need the white-hot outrage of an informed public to make such shenanigans impossible. Real reform, requires real outrage. And we need MSM outrage to fuel it.
Moreover, the idea that the 2004 election was stolen plays into a lot more story lines than just the need for electoral reform. It plays into the story of George W. Bush (and Republicans, generally) as a fraud, as a criminal, as illegitimate, as untrustworthy, as ruthless.
All in all, we need this story in the MSM just as much as we need to roll up our sleeves and get to work. Without both, we won’t succeed.
Oy vey.
This laziness cannot stand.
I seem to recall that quite a few of the ‘fraudsters’ who were posting last year actually were on the ground in Ohio trying to do something about it and the absolute silence from the MSM and the ‘Big Bloggers’ contributed to the publics apathy about it.
Grassroots is all well and good except when you’re facing a Ken Blackwell, Diebold and the GOP and all you’ve got standing behind you is a Green party candidate.
Kinda like bringing a knife to an Uzi fight.
I get his point, but there is a DAMN good reason we need people like RFK Jr. and Al Gore to be taking the lead on this… they have money and cred. Unfortunately grassroots only goes so far when you’re dealing with Fox, CNN and the Bush WH.
Martin do you mind putting this on never display and reposting it later? Despite the time stamp of my diary, it actually was posted at 11:40.
Thanks.
Steve
no problem.
One thing, Boo.
You said JFK when you meant RFK in the text above, not the title.
Second thing. Again, I get the feeling that shutting down the black, largely progressive vote is not being said here at all. Not only did Gore keel over on a principle, but Kerry did as well. All because both are too finicky to lay things on the line for those black voters who would have made a difference for them.
(Let me remind people that the DLC, which was co-founded by Gore, was created to head off black voter dissatisfaction with the status quo, but keep them within the party until such time the Dems wouldn’t need them any more: i.e., get those white guys back into the party. In light of such skanky ideas, it’s no wonder that Gore and Kerry refused to get their hands dirty over black voter disenfranchisement–it would get white swing voters pissed.)
After Kerry said he would, he didn’t. He keeled over to the everlasting dismay of everyone, including his own running mate, Edwards.
Chickensh*t is hardly the word I would use for these men.
thanks for the editing. I fixed it.
I think Gore fought for his black votes, although his DLC affiliations do suggest that his first committment is to the swing-voter. Kerry may have made a prudent decision to concede (I don’t think so), but he never should have stopped screaming about Ohio.
“I think Chris is letting his personal frustration with defeatists and armchair generals cloud his judgment about the benefits of spreading the meme that the 2004 election was stolen.”
Over the past few months, much of me writing has focused on what I preceive to be the lack of sufficient activism ont he part of many netroots activists. I have written about this on Alito, on Pennsylvania, on Gore, and now on election reform. The piece I wrote was not just about election reform–but also about activism in general. I am willing to accept pretty much any progressive viewpoint as valid as long as it contains a sufficient amount of activism to back it up. When I perceive a lack of activism surronding a particular issue, it really grates me.
I remain cautious about pushing the Rolling stone story–mostly because I am not sure how to best do so. I am glad that we still have forums where I can talk about this sort of thing off the front page of blogs, so I can share these concerns. You are certianyl right about the benefits of such a narrative, but here is what I worry about:
–Propogating the narrative that Demcorats cannot win elections, and thus increasing our chronic problems of voter retrenchment.
–Exactly what Kerry worries about–Repulbicans hear the narrative, so they end up pasing terrible reform hat makes the problem worse.
–Focusing too much on process stories. I’m a real hack who loves process, but I worry that focusing on process is not the best way to go in the MSM.
But we do have to do something with this. Republican attempts to suppres Democratic votes have become an entrenched part of their electoral strategy. As such, fighting that suppression must become an entrenched party of our mentality. We also ned a message of hope about possible reform in the MSM–hope that our electoral system can be fixed so people regain their willingness to vote and be active int he process. Hard to imagien that you could have such a narrative unless you point out the problems in the first place.
I sitll plan to blog about the RFK Jr. article–just not sure how to best do so. Any suggestions would be welcome.
Well
this all goes back to my fundamental problem with dKos coverage of the election in the aftermath of the election.
We didn’t know how many votes were stolen or repressed from Kerry, but we did know it was a lot, that it was potentially the difference in the election, that is was criminal, and that it would happen again unless the public was whipped up into outrage.
This was, and still is, the biggest megaphone the netroots has. And it went worse than silent. It went into Washington Postville.
I don’t want to rehash all the arguments over Wayne Madsen and Bev Harris. I prefer to look at Georgia10. She did what needed to be done, but she was playing in the diaries, not on the front-page. Conyers and Georgia10 did exactly what needed to be done: document the outrage. But they were marginalized. Their voices and facts couldn’t break through into the national narrative and create the momentum and outrage required to get GOOD electoral reform, radical reform. Or even a real investigation with subpoenas and machines and ballots secured for forensic analysis.
From my point of view, and maybe it is a Republican way of looking at things, we needed, in the situation we found ourselves in, to be less concerned about the absolute truth (which was unknowable) than about whipping up doubt, outrage, and calls for an investigation.
We didn’t have the option of saying that we might be wrong, Kerry might have legitimately lost, so we won’t make a stink. Because we needed the public mobilized to get an investigation and to get any movement and support for reform.
Look at the Dubai Ports Deal. That deal was crushed, not by any facts whatsoever, but by the MSM going bonkers and the public following their lead. It can happen the other way too, with the people going bonkers and the MSM taking their lead.
Politicians can move pretty fast when that happens. Instead, here we are coming up to the next election, and we are probably only marginally more protected from shenanigans.
You’re Way Off Here on this point.. (none / 0)
Well, the reason this issue rockets to the top at DKOS is that if the vote is compromised then nothing else that we’re working on makes much sense! Plus, the Republicans act like squirrely vote stealers! Of course its important. Actually, try to do something more complicated in Philly: audit the vote. Go ahead I dares you. I double dares you. You actually probably can’t be sure that you won in any district that used a voting machine that doesn’t leave a trail.
By the way, it wasn’t just some crazy statistician that smelled a rat with the exit polls (smaller discrepancies turned over the Ukraine vote by the way) it was a whole team of stat guys, plus Kathy Dopp, plus four books, plus America Votes, plus Greg Palast’s new book…this stuff is well researched and generally unrebuted by the right…! Smell a rat why doncha…
by pshropshire on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 06:04:27 AM EST
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By the way, I don’t think becoming a committeeman means too much if the GOP can “disappear” about 300000 thousand votes like they did in Ohio. And: please rebut that charge if you will. No name calling. No insults about us weak minded people who can’t see through that hack Greg Pallast…probably one of the greatest investigative reporters of our time, who of course works for the BBC.
I think the answer, quite frankly, lies outside of nice DLC political moves. We need to do what the masses did when they tried to depose Chavez, or what the Paris kids did when they tried to turn their employment status at will or what thousands of latin American immigrants did when they were threatened with being turned into felons…Massive demostratations. Worker’s strikes. And they need to be big…of course, they can’t be big if we insist that there’s not a problem with mostly black people having their vote disenfranchised….
Philip Shropshire
http://www.threeriversonline.com
Booman – I couldn’t agree more re the need for the left to use the biggest megaphone it has, and DK utterly failed to allow discussion of THE BIGGEST STORY affecting us. Because if our vote doesn’t count, than our opinions and actions will all be meaningless. All those diaries about candidates are so much horse fodder.
I have been consistently suspicious of the way talk of conspiracies is banned there, when the world is driven by conspiracies. What could be more important to discuss than unveiling and exposing hidden power structures moving behind the scenes?
I agree that there’s a lot of armchair conspiracy theories that are baseless and distracting. But a stolen election? How can that NOT be worth discussing, investigating, comparing notes on, and from time to time, crying out in despair over?? š
You make infinitely more sense. Really doing something about what is crazy and driving us crazy…..there just isn’t any substitute for it. I can’t hang out at Kos a lot. Huge computer people have a tendency to isolate. A little armchair Generaling is needed and it keeps the net momentum going. So many other people have taken being energized and moved out into the people though now. Like Boston Joe today! Crank up the fax, get out the debit card and make that call…..this poor neohawk knows we’re coming! His office staff will have a super shitty day and I’m counting on his female staffers that are a lot like myself to take it out on him! Maybe he’ll even have a shitty day and a reason to pause and rethink a few things! He’ll go to lunch and his friends will tease him and pick at him, he’ll run out of fax paper……..bucket loads of flowers all over the damned place and Bancroft flowers will have a great day while we stimulate the economy!
What still rankles about the 2004 election was the attitude of some bloggers that voting fraud was just so much tin hat material. Maybe it was the quest for legitimacy (whatever that is), but bloggers shouldn’t necessarily suppress every story they percieve as having the smell of a crazy conspiracy.
I stopped taking Bower’s article seriously fairly early on when he started talking about the ‘obvious nuttery’ of Bev Harris. Her ‘nuttery’ isn’t obvious to me and Mr Bowers provides no cites to back up a very cheap shot directed towards a woman who clearly hasn’t been either ‘lazy’ or inactive. What’s next, the ‘nuttery’ of Cindy Sheehan? Just yesterday we’ve had a FP poster here refer to pro-choice women in this demeaning manner. It’s as if they’re trading Fox news talking points.
Mr Bowers needs to recognise that we’ve been far ahead of the blog owners and those who insist we be their humble followers or shut up since at least ’01 and, those of use who have been alarmed or concerned with the deliberate disenfranchisement of minority voters have been far ahead of these guys for even longer. The problem is that they are unprepared to listen. I found the series of weak excuses for this fundamental flaw in this article annoying.
Mr Bowers needs to recognise that we’ve been far ahead of the blog owners and those who insist we be their humble followers or shut up since at least ’01
I tried to intelligently discuss the Casey nomination on Bower’s site and elsewhere from this perspective, and he banned me. I sure hope that does not happen here as it is the first indication of a dying site. Bowers article about voting fraud centers on combating the Repub censorship of votes, and yet he can censor on his website that which he does not wish to hear about. Bit hypocritical to me!
Voting isn’t a process story. It is THE process story. If voting doesn’t have integrity, everything else is a sham.
If people aren’t aware of what the Republicans did–much of which is beyond the imaginations of most Americans who view voting as the most sacred act in the secular public realm–then they have no reason to get active on this issue.
The primary reason there is so much “hopelessness” and “defeatism” regarding the issue of election reform is the terrible treatment progressives who care about the issue have gotten from “allies” like Kos, Armando, and DHinMI.
You want the primary reason election reform has gotten no traction as an issue among progressive activists? Because Markos Moulitsas Zuniga has done more soldiering for acceptance of 2004 election as legitimate and valid than anyone on the right wing. Right wing extremists did not have defend what happened in Ohio on election night 2004. Kos, Armando, and DHinMI gutted any chance the 2004 voting irregularities had of reaching the mainstream.
Right wingers did not have to go to the M$M claiming voting rights activists were “conspiracy nuts” and “sore losers.” Kos, Armando, and DHinMI did that for the neo-cons, in far less kind terms. Kos used The Daily Kos to cut the legs out of the voting activist movement. Kos has single-handedly done more to marginalize voting rights activists than anyone on the right.
I’m one of the many Kos has banned from the Daily Kos for trying to discuss election day 2004. In my case, I was banned from Daily Kos for calling for Federal INVESTIGATIONS of the events of Election Day 2004. I didn’t even go as far as RFK, Jr. did in this Rolling Stone article. I never stated I was certain the election was stolen. I said there were so many questions about Election Day 2004, and about electronic voting machine technology that full and complete Federal (FBI/Justice Dept.) investigation of both needed to happen. I was banned personally by Kos for asking Kos why he refused to support full Federal INVESTIGATIONS.
You want to fix the election process? That road has to go through the Daily Kos before it can get to the political mainstream. Like it or not, The Daily Kos is the biggest progressive website. Nothing is going to happen on the voting rights issue until Kos stops doing the work of the neo-cons for them by grouping the discussion of election reform with Bigfoot and Roswell, NM. Kos needs to front page an apology for being the primary obstacle to progressive action on the voting rights issue. Kos also needs to apologize to a whole lot of great progressive activists who advocated for voting rights issues that Kos improperly labeled as “trolls” and banned for saying less controvesial statements than RFK, Jr. just said in Rolling Stone.