Bless me, Goddess, for I have sinned.
I must confess that when the Armando outing happened, my dark side took a brief, self-righteous moment to revel in the delicious irony of it all.
“Hah!” the evil one thought. “Take that patriarchal Kossian power structure!” It was indeed ironic to watch the passion the outing inspired. Those who were willing to toss other people’s rights on the ash heap of political expediency were OUTRAGED when their rights were abrogated. It was ironic. (Never mind that forced birth and voluntary blogging are not exactly equivalent.) But it was not cause for celebration.
Then, of course, there was the blatant elitism that raised its ugly head and fed the evil genie inside me. Armando is an ATTORNEY! He had important work to do. He’s been professionally castrated – or words to that effect. Of course, any poor slob who has tried, under the radar, to organize a Wal-Mart, or even a Whole Foods, knows about professional castration and outing. Then, of course, there are those lowly entertainers, like the Dixie Chicks, who suffered abuse and professional loss due to their speaking their minds in public.
Actually, I kind of hope Armando becomes the Natalie Maynes of attorneys and that after whatever set backs he suffers, he comes roaring back to some great success. But I’m not ready to give him some special place in the pantheon of social activism because he is an attorney.
So there it is; the dark side of Kahli revealed.
Fortunately, another voice started making itself heard in my thoughts. This voice asked how I could take any pleasure in deliberately-inflicted suffering.
What, I thought, if this could become a moment when we “progressives” could actually develop empathy for one another? What if this incident made us really feel, not just “know” that an injury to one is an injury to all? What if we could agree that, despite our differing priorities, no one’s rights are negotiable? What power we would have if feminists stood up for immigrants, and immigrants struggled side-by-side with gays. What power we would have if gays fought tooth and nail for laborers, and laborers protected internet activists. And if they in turn fought for people of color, and so on and so on. Is it even within the realm of possibility that this ugly incident could bind us together and help us grow in strength?
What if we ALL resist when ANYONE’S rights are threatened?
Which brings me to the second question in the title of this diary, “What cost?”
If we are serious about social change we must acknowledge that there will be a cost. To deny this is magical thinking.
Each of us must take serious stock of what we are willing to sacrifice.
Activists throughout history have been injured, fired, slandered, jailed, or killed. There have been people of undaunted courage who have sacrificed much to the benefit of the rest of us.
Most of us have no desire to become martyrs. I know that I don’t. But we have to realize that those with entrenched power and privilege are unlikely to give any of it away without a struggle.
What is each of us willing to do? Are willing to risk embarrassment or ridicule? Are we willing to go to jail? Are we willing to leave our comfort zone? Donate time? Money? Are we willing to lose our jobs or professional standing? These are questions that we must each ask, and the answers will be different for each of us depending on our responsibilities and our resources – emotional and financial.
Whose rights? All of ours.
What cost? At great cost – and we must all contribute.
Kahli = Fran Martone
Reluctantly cross posted at orange.
Can I be downright selfish for a minute here? My head is so clouded today. I read your diary as saying the we must stand up for larger principles. (Right?) That is the point I’ve tried to make over and over throughout this Armando affair. Yet, and here’s where I get personal and a bit pouty for a sec because I’m really quite tired of all of this now, when you post the same sentiments you are showered with praise that is rightly due you but, for some reason I am scorned.
Can someone please tell me – honestly – where I went wrong?
I’m not looking for approval or acceptance here. All I want to know is where I went off kilter because the message of the prinipcles in all of this has been and is the most important thing to me and if I have been unable to convey that because of some defect of character, I need to know. Because if I cannot be an effective messenger, I can not contribute to the greater good.
I’m sorry to hijack your space, Kahli, but this is crucially important to me because I try to influence people through my writings of the true path of justice and if I’m failing, I need to know. I’m just a small cog. My blog isn’t Grand Central. But constructive criticism is always welcome.
As someone said over at the orange place, I’m medically disabled too and sometimes all I can contribute is what I write. If that is not a contribution because of my ego, I’ll have failed the rest of you as well.
Thank you and a huge thanks for taking this to the broader issues.
(Frankly, I would have e-mailed you but I don’t see a public address for you.)
Have at it. I don’t bite (hard). And, I’m not interested in praise. I just want some help here.
Sorry Catnip,
I lost my internet for about a month and came back in the middle of this. I’m not much of a help. What I can say outside of this is that I’ve enjoyed your posts in the past and you have definately contributed. Plus you’ve been there for me as a friend when I needed it – by email and blog. You are a valuable member of this community. For me, that is what the pond is all about.
Gee, Catnip, I don’t know how to answer your question. I have appreciated your writing for a long time and it was an important part of my introduction to the Booman Community.
Sometimes I think it is just a timing thing.
It can be very frustrating when, for what ever reason, one can’t seem to reach others for a while.
Anyway, it is the principles that are important, and if I helped to advance the discussion in anyway, it is because a lot of people have shared their ideas and talents with this community all along.
Where you’re going wrong, I think, is you seem to be posting on the assumption that the principles which inform your analysis of the situation are necessarily the only ones which apply, and that your analysis is the only possible correct one, and that others who take a different view are simply taking a totally unprincipled stand based purely on personal animosity for Armando.
But that’s simply not the case; there are other approaches, equally principled, equally thoughtful, rendering different outcomes.
And when you refuse to allow for that, you’re going to miss the mark with people who have equally strong principles backing equally strong views… and, frankly, since you’re defending Armando by adopting much the same “I’m right and you’re a bunch of $#!@#@! for disagreeing” approach that earned Armando so much contempt and mislike among the BTers, I think you can probably expect to get about the same reaction he did.
Ouch. But thank you for that input as well.
Thank you. 4’s galore to you.
Thank you.
What is each of us willing to do? Are willing to risk embarrassment or ridicule? Are we willing to go to jail? Are we willing to leave our comfort zone? Donate time? Money? Are we willing to lose our jobs or professional standing? These are questions that we must each ask, and the answers will be different for each of us depending on our responsibilities and our resources – emotional and financial.
Whose rights? All of ours.
Yeah…I am willing to risk my job. I don’t need a salary, I know what is right. My daughter and I have talked alot about this and we both feel that integrity is more important than being liked. But, I admit, since I am the sole provider for my daughter that I can’t really walk the walk until she is on her own.
Of course, if you are the sole provider for your daughter the risks that you are willing to take now are rightly different than the ones you may be willing to take when she is on her own.
A year ago last spring, I left a rally that looked like it was going to get really ugly, because my husband had just been released from the hospital and it was NOT a good time to get arrested.
Although I posed these questions to the community, they are really for me. How much courage do I have? How important are these issues to me?
Give your daughter an extra big hug!
Thanks very much for re-introducing compassion and justice into the progressive’s dialogue. You have contributed enormously, in my view.
Blushing. That is awfully kind of you to say.
you are the kind of person I want as a co-member of the idealist society — the kind of person who can be trusted to think about society and situations in light of basic moral-democratic values. And by describing the process by which you arrive at an understanding based on a SOCIAL value, rather than an individual desire or preference or whatever, you are helping us build an idealist society. Talking about HOW TO BE is an important step in MAKING IT HAPPEN.
So thank you Kahli!
It’s kind of funny that at yr DK version of this post, A. thinks it’s about him. I haven’t been following his whole deal very closely, but hopefully people will be ready to move on soon.
As yr diary indicates, there’s work to be done!
This is what Armando has done to Kahli’s diary over there.
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2006/6/11/223639/665/8#c8
Can you please, please drop this kind of thing and focus on what Kahli’s diary is about? My god this has become tiresome.
My patience with you has run out. I’ll focus on whatever interests me. Not what you say I should. Will you finally stop scolding people on this site? That is what is tiresome.
If Kahli has a problem with this comment, she is the one to point it out and she is always welcome to do so.
I must have missed that special moment in the universe when saying ‘please’ changed to being a scold. Oh well. Now I know. No big deal.
Thanks. I’ve been called the “I” word before. Of course, I’ve also been called the other “I” word — idiot!
Tracy, that brought tears to my eyes.
😀
EXCELLENT.
THERE IS NO COST IF YOU ARE TRULY FREE.
FREEDOMS JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR NOTHING LEFT TO LOSE
Thanks for the diary Fran.
Love ,
pete
On second thought, I am afraid I have to withdraw my recommendattion of this fine diary. I must remain consistent.
Regarding giving up your anonymity: its like I told my daughter when she was 15:
“Whatever you do dont give it up too easily, make the motherfuckers work for it!”
admit nothing,
deny everything,
and make counter-accusations!
Damnit! Janet Aylward
Can I rub your belly cause your my heroine, too! 🙂
RICHARD ZIGMUND GALLANT
doctorial student and active member of the Party of Democratic Socialists (PDS)/New Left, Menden (Sauerland) Germany. And still a US citizen.
I am not “progressive”, I am not “liberal” – I AM A LEFTIST!
As I mentioned in Street Kid’s diary concerning the missing voter records in Colorado, my personal privacy has taken enough of a hit recently. Not only is my voter information quite likely missing in action (I can only speculate, because I’ve received no notice), my bank is replacing my credit card because some business somewhere lost its data.
So please don’t think poorly of me if I carry on as Raging Hippie. Besides, if I told y’all my real name, you’d accuse me of making it up.
I understand completely, last month some numbnuts from the VA took home a computer with my birthdate, SSN, pension, and God knows what else info plus the same for 2.2 million active duty people & vets and it was stolen. I’m just waiting for that 1.2 million credit card bill to come from Citibank.
OMG, I so thought of you…after my FIL and uncle first.
I keep waiting for that shoe to drop. These are the people we’re trusting w/ our security?!?!?! I’m so waiting for a Dem to say that these people can’t even keep our personal info safe…you think they can keep us safe from anything else??? Geeze…
I hope the info is found and returned, but I’m not optimistic. It’s a gold mine for a criminal mind.
Raging Hippie is a great name 🙂 And I completely understand.
I just felt that since every time I go march or prostest there’s always a video camera nearby, my husband’s VA info is out there, I have to arrive at an airport early, I’m an “enemy of the state and dissenter”… the NSA listens to us talk… for me, it just doesn’t matter anymore 🙂
Hi Janet,
I got called Superfool over at the other…you know.
I kinda like it actually. What do you think?
And Raging Hippie….I like your name just fine. I feel like Janet does on this, and in a way, though some might call it foolish, (there’s that fool thing again) I feel defiant, and using my real name, writng about my real life, and how I see things, is a small way of thumbing my nose at the criminals, and saying, here I am, come get me.
Super(fool)soling = Michael Long
I got called Janny there the other day… with the diary Steven D made about our military paying Iraqi’s for their dead relatives they’ve murdered. Someone got uptight about a fucking TITLE of his diary… unbelievable…
I go there to post CP action alerts or to rec bootribbers.
Super, I want to slide into this conversation that’s not mine, and say how much I appreciated what you were saying in that “superfoolish” exchange last night (or was it at the crack of dawn this am – I’ve lost track of time). It certainly revealed the depths of invective of the person who you were trying to reason with.
You did much more than reason – great defense, super defense.
what thread was this? Whose messing with SuperSoling?
It was not here – it was at Big O. I’ll let Super say whatever he wants to. I really didn’t mean to intrude and shouldn’t have brought this up here, but seeing Super, I just let the fingers fly.
Like Thelonius Monk on the keyboards 🙂
ROF – Maybe in the ancient past they could move that fast, but never could make those sounds. Just ask my piano teachers!
I’ll never teeee…eell :oP
No one was messing with me…at first. ‘Till I troll rated them for calling Booman a liar. He may be low (high) class, but he’s no liar :o) I really don’t want to link it here, because it was a (former I guess) member here. Needless to say, I don’t like arguing but some things can’t be left unchallenged.
okay understand…
Hey I outted us even more up above 😉 Crazy radical protestors… 🙂
Yikes!! But that was fun :o)
I swear I don’t know where my patience comes from sometimes :o)
Thank you for making me feel…super ;o)
Thanks, everyone. 🙂 If the 2008 Democratic Convention comes to Denver, you’re all invited to visit me. Maybe I’ll have written a best-seller by then and everyone will know who I am anyway. HA!
That would be awesome!!! 🙂
Better to be known as a hit author than the person who accidentally returned a homemade blue dvd of themselves lip-synching in the nude to Neil Diamond… or something.. 🙂
(((Raging)))
Based on unfortunate incidents that have happened to a couple of acquaintances, I follow Rule No. 1: Never videotape yourself having sex.
“Mommy!!!! this isn’t the Winnie the Pooh movie!!!”
didn’t happen to me ask I also abide by the same rules… but it happened to a neighbor.
Now that is…um….scary!
Rest assured, I do run around the house like a crazy woman singing to Neil Diamond… but never ever in the nude and never ever on tape… that is unless the NSA has my shower bugged… ACK! 😀
HEY!
They SWORE to me there were no copies!
Aha!! 🙂
And you believed that?
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