I got a couple of emails yesterday from a lurker at my blog (Hi George!) who refuses to understand how the immigration debate in this country is driven by human rights for people like me.
In his last missive, he wrote: “I challenge you to cite any international convention on human rights that gives authority to citizens of one nation the right to violate the sovereignty of another’s.”
I tried explaining to George that he should open up his history books and take a hard look at the hypocrisy of his worldview before continuing to dialogue with me, but he just characterized the mass-migrations of U.S. history as “bygone eras…irrelevant to modern America”. If anything, it gave me some insight into how some of these people think.
sígame…
Rather than take a hard look into the mirror of the past to see that it was due to a lack of will for a group of English citizens to fight the monarchy for religious freedom back home instead of exporting their Manifest Destiny ways to the “New World”, or the scores of Irish settlers escaping mass poverty due to potato famine, or boatloads of Cubans fleeing the hard hand of dictatorship; people like George the lurker fail to see that immigrants coming to the shores of the United States have always arrived in large droves because they were/felt powerless to reform their home countries from within.
Today’s plight by Mexican and Latin American immigrants has an added twist, though; it can be argued quite successfully that the reasons their countries are undergoing severe economic stagnation is directly resulting from United States’ policies. NAFTA has had devastating repercussions north and south of the U.S./Mexico border, and it is now becoming a major issue in the Mexican Presidential Campaign.
Leftist presidential candidate Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador took his hardest line yet against free trade with the United States, saying for the first time that he would not honor Mexico’s commitment under NAFTA to eliminate tariffs on U.S. corn and beans.[snip]
Mexican farmers say hefty agricultural subsidies in the United States give American white corn and beans an unfair advantage over the Mexican market, which depends in large part on small-scale and mostly subsistence farmers. As Mexico’s staple crops, corn and beans carry immense symbolic importance.
Mexicans worry that if the farmers can’t sell the nation’s signature crops at a price that competes with trucked-in produce from the United States, they will go out of business.Farmers say Mexico’s agricultural economy has suffered since the trade deal went into effect in 1994, forcing many to migrate to the United States.
As always, Duke1676 puts all of the the context much more clearly than I could ever muster the energy for, with his latest post at Migra Matters. He examines the ways that we got to this point, as well as a challenge to realize that a major paradigm shift is necessary to move forward in a progressive way that will benefit a majority of folks regardless of which country they reside or what their immigration status is at a given time.
Looking out for the common good: that’s what I call human rights, George. If you refuse to even try to listen to where we’re coming from, you are only going to be guilty of the same echo-chamber phenomenon that you accused me of in your opening email salvo. Perhaps you’re right, blogging is nothing more than preaching to the choir on the best of days, but they can also be a vehicle for activism.
Which reminds me, here’s a notice I got from No More Deaths. They need assistance as the summer heat fires up its intensity.
c/o No More Deaths
3809 E. Third Street
Tucson, AZ 85716-4699
or, if you’re in the area, you can help construct these Life-Saving Packs:
DESERT SURVIVAL PACKS: Into Gallon-Sized Closable Plastic Bag, place 7-10 items, a least 1 from each line below:
- Meat in PLASTIC PACKAGES (tuna, Vienna sausages, chicken, etc.)
- Sports Drink (Capri Sun Sport pouch, Power Gel, Gatorade)
- Nuts, trail mix, dried fruit, chips, fig bars or cookies
- Granola, Power, or snack bars
- Applesauce, pudding, or fruit cups in PLASTIC containers (with spoon)
- Peanut butter or cheese filled crackers
FIRST AID KITS: Use Small Closable Plastic Bag
- 4 to 8 bandages
- Gauze Pads
- Small first aid cream or ointment
- Alcohol Wipes
- Sunscreen, Chapstick, Hand Cream, or Lotion
- Footcare creams, powders, or Moleskin
- Wrapped Candy or throat lozenge
- Aspirin, Tylenol, or Advil packets
PERSONAL HYGIENE KITS: Suggested items in Gallon-Sized Closable Plastic Bags
- Toothbrush (in wrapper)
- Small Toothpaste
- Shampoo
- Soap
- Razor
- Comb
- Washcloth/Hand Towel (does not need to be new, just clean)
OTHER MATERIAL SUPPLIES:
- Rice
- Blankets
- Dry beans
- Dry milk
- Ramen noodles
- Sports drink powder
- Half-liter bottles of water
- Toilet paper
- Shoes (no high-heeled or dress shoes)
- Socks (do not have to be new, just clean)
- Baseball caps and soft hats (no straw hats)
- Bandanas
- Grocery gift cards: (Only stores located in Pima & Cochise counties, please)
- Phone cards
- Gasoline cards
We thank you in advance for your generous contributions that will save lives in the desert.

Crossposted from my humble blog.
I would rather spend my time helping to save human lives in the desert surrounding my city than debating the Rule of Law™ with people who have no desire to listen. If you can help No Mas Muertes, please consider it. The current weather conditions are: 95°F/35°C, Clear and Sunny, with rain not expected anytime soon.
It’s only mid-day where you’re at too. We’ve been consistently in the upper 90s and 100s for a bit now, and we’re nowhere near the border.
I’ll kick in a few bucks when payday hits (end o’ the month).
We’re averaging 107/109 lately. We haven’t had any substantial rain since last fall. Showers here and there, but nothing to help ease the drought.
in the mail
I’ll send a check. Good to be able to recommend an “Accidental Activist” diary for a change.
I’ve been so stagnant lately, and I realized the other day it was because I had been spending too much time being angry for the sake of the anger and not focusing it on ways to help change the reality. Thx for your inspiration and the support of this admirable group of human beings who are constantly berated by the right wing and vigilante groups.
Manee, I read this quote on Real History Lisa’s blog:
“Those who refuse to learn from history are not just condemned to repeat it, they are condemned, period.”
Would it be okay if I sent a box of supplies on your list?
that’s a powerful quote every time I read it.
I’m sure the folks at NMD will be overjoyed to get extra supplies in the mail. They’ve been getting battered by Hurricane Minutemen/Lou Dobbs/JD Hayworth for quite some time now and can use all the support we can muster.
And especially for the information on No More Deaths. I hope your diary gets them many donations. Our check will be on its way tomorrow.
it is much appreciated. The death count is over 100 now since October 1, 2005. The situation is tragic and will be ongoing as long as political posturing rules the day over real action to save lives.
How sad that our immigrant roots are so soon forgotten. I believe that a majority of our current citizens trace their roots to immigration in the last 100 years. (Sorry, no link but I can make that claim.) Thanks for the No More Deaths information.
a program on the History Channel the other day regarding England in the 17th and 18th centuries which gave me a bit of a brainstorm on how laughable it was for the “mainstream” U.S. to decry the recent immigrant marchies/rallies/boycotts etc. “They should be doing that in Mexico City” was a common thing to read.
What a different place this would be if the Wampanoag reacted the same way when the first ships sailed across the Atlantic.
I’m reminded of a song I used to love:
Did you catch Al Gore on Larry King this weekend? I realize LK was just doing his job (aka partisan smear) but have to admit I loved the repetition Gore’s words on how NAFTA was going to reduce illegal immigration.
So, how’s that going Al? Umm, ummm . . .
The neoliberal claims for NAFTA juxtaposed against Obrador’s promise to protect Mexico’s family farmers against the unfair advantages enshrined by NAFTA opens the terrain for an indepth examination of NAFTA’s promises & actual effects.
I call it Regulatory Class Warfare.
but it won’t be forgotten anytime soon that a Democratic administration passed that legislation through. I’m glad the conversation is being sparked, it’s far past the time when economic instability got entered into the equation.
At least he makes clear that his analysis & neoliberal commitments haven’t changed much:
Gee Al, why did those jobs move from Mexico to Asia? Wouldn’t be because of the liquidity that allows capitol investment and job creation to flow wherever the MNcorps finds conditions most conducive, while denying that same ability to the people performing those jobs? Wouldn’t be because NAFTA was written as part of the larger neoliberal project to destroy labor movements, here & abroad, to benefit an elite few in-country (increasing the already obscene gap betwen rich & poor) while massive profits are drained from struggling economies under the ‘free-market,’ that rural farmers worldwide are being crushed by its terms, to the extent that there is a (largely) quiet suicide crisis among India’s rural farmers? (Arundhati Roy: “Tens of thousands of farmers have committed suicide”)
“Shored up” my __ !!!
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to see some diaries from you fleshing this out more, it is an important piece that has been missing from all the howling from both sides (which I will gladly admit to adding to on numerous occasions).
I’ll get a package out to ya. XOXOX
Thanks – I had not heard of this org before. And I must say, that’s one of the best titles I’ve seen for a post. Lots of alliteration too!
as one of my favorite diarists, I take that with alot of humility and a sheepish grin.
I’m so plugged into the immigration advocacy network here in the Tucson area that I forget that there isn’t widespread knowledge of their efforts. Unfortunately, it is usually negative attention from the MSM if any gets out of the area.
These people are on the front lines of lifesaving in the desert heat. This particular organization, No More Deaths, will be in your headlines again soon, as the trial of hanti Sellz and Daniel Strauss approaches.
I was downtown the Saturday the immigrants first marched here in Los Angeles. I wanted to see it. Support it with one more body. And wow. I couldn’t even get near downtown, by car. Had to park blocks away.
Midday, I decided to hop the metro (subway) to Hollywood to see a film, since I had already paid once to park. The metro ran right under the protests. While waiting for the train in my direction, one pulled in from the opposite direction. A tsunami of white shirts and brown faces flowed out of the cars – the likes of which I have never seen. LA isn’t NY. Not a lot of people use the metro. So it was thrilling on two levels to see so many people – it was wonderful seeing it used to actually move masses back and forth, but it was the masses themselves that were inspiring.
On my way down, there were long lines of immigrants at the ticket machines. No one could possibly have checked all those tickets had they tried. And no one was trying. But those lovely, honest people were determined to do this right, paying by the honor system. God bless them all.
Thanks for all you do, and <blush> thanks for the comments on my writing as well!
Can’t resist commenting on the one thing nobody else seems to be touching:
“I challenge you to cite any international convention on human rights that gives authority to citizens of one nation the right to violate the sovereignty of another’s.”
So, did you ask George where he stood regarding the invasion of Iraq?
no, didn’t get that far with him on that mode of thinking. He has actually continued with the emailing, but I managed to do some framing to get him to see where someone like me is coming from wrt human rights. We’ll see where this goes…
“I challenge you to cite any international convention on human rights that gives authority to citizens of one nation the right to violate the sovereignty of another’s.”
Found this 2001 article in the online UN Chronicle, “Rights Watch: Reconciling Non-intervention and Human Rights” by Douglas Stuart, a political science professor at Dickinson College.
The first of seven guidelines he suggests for debate about appropriate circumstances for intervention:
Since when has humanitarian intervention needed an international convention, anyway?
Materials on the way….
This is great Manee. I pop on over to Freeperville on occasion and I just get so sick how they routinely have zero sympathy for people making the crossing. Absolutely no compassion whatsoever. No comprehension that one would not make such a trek unless it was absolutely necessary.
If only the powers that be would address the real issues and offer humane and reasonable solutions to the situation…sigh, pipe dreams.
I am all for saving the lives of people…my check is in the mail.
Thank you for the diary, Manny, and for the info about NO More Deaths.
I flew to California via Phoenix over the past weekend, including a low flight over the desert, and 6 hours including time outdoors in 100+ degree heat in Phoenix.
On the flight, we saw what looked like buzzards circling a dead or dying horse/large dog, and I thought of families trying to cross the desert. I can’t imagine what it must be like to attempt that. However, seeing what in Texas would certainly have been buzzards circling, I was ready to suggest a required field trip for certain political types!!