I happened upon Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s 2002 Harvard Commencement speech this morning. It makes for interesting reading. I think of 2002 as the uphappiest year. It was the year this country lost its mind. It was the year of the Duct Tape Fatwa and color coded terror warnings. It was the year that Andy Card and Judith Miller rolled out a new product in September that would lead to the biggest tragedy for our country since Vietnam. Moynihan’s thinking reflects that collective insanity we all experienced, to one extent or another, as we were subjected to an unprecedented Campaign of Fear. Despite its faults, Moynihan’s speech still has its gems. Like this:
For argument’s sake one could propose that Marxism was the last nearly successful effort to Westernize the rest of the world. In 1975, I stood in Tiananmen Square, the center of the Middle Kingdom. In an otherwise empty space, there were two towering masts. At the top of one were giant portraits of two hirsute 19th century German gentlemen, Messrs. Marx and Engels. The other displayed a somewhat Mongol-looking Stalin and Mao. That wasn’t going to last, and of course, it didn’t.
Most Americans will probably do a double-take after reading “Marxism was the last nearly successful effort to Westernize the rest of the world”, but there is a definite sense in which it is true. There are a couple reasons the statement seems odd. First, we don’t associate communism with the ‘West’. But, more importantly, we don’t equate secularization with Westernization. Most other people do equate those two things. In the Middle East it was the influence of Marxism on the pan-Arab movement that made the Ba’ath Party secular. Being secular, though, was not an advantage in the Arab world, which led socialists to coin new terms, like Arab Socialism. Pan-Arabism, Nasserism, and Arab-Socialism all were attempts to forge a post-colonial ideology. Their failure to accomplish their goals is what has led to a rise in Islamist groups.
Once Marxism’s failure in the Middle East is understood to be a failure to Westernize the Middle East, the history of the last sixty years becomes a lot more interesting.
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk was successful in secularizing and westernizing Turkey, but I think that may have been because he had credibility after defeating the Sultan’s puppet government and the Greeks.
Marxism was, after all, thought up by a couple of “hirsute 19th century German gentlemen”. It is a Western way of thinking, never more so than in its official atheism. Today we still are experiencing the fall-out from Marxism’s influence in the Middle East. As Moynihan points out (regarding the phrase: Zionism equals racism):
This hateful equation first appeared in a two-part series in Pravda in Moscow in 1971. Part of Cold War “agit prop.” It has since spread into a murderous attack on the right of the State of Israel to exist — the right of Jews to exist! — a world in which a hateful Soviet lie has mutated into a new and vicious anti-Semitism.
Of course, Russian “agit prop” was rarely based on umabiguous lies. To what extent Zionism, in practice, has had a racist component is certainly open to debate.
What isn’t open to debate is that neither European colonization, nor Marxism, have succeeded in taming the Middle East, nor in bringing it into the post-war community of nations that live and trade in relative peace.
As the region falls into utter despair, it is not clear what ideology can arise to put things on a better course. Imposed democracy seems a non-starter. But what other options are there?
As the region falls into utter despair, it is not clear what ideology can arise to put things on a better course. Imposed democracy seems a non-starter. But what other options are there?
My vote would be whatever ideology the inhabitants of the region decide. Not up to me, or you, or Bush.
Once they’ve decided, and we’ve acknowledged they’ve decided, then we can talk about how to bring their beliefs into the world community.
You can’t impose thoughts on other people. It doesn’t work. Hasn’t throughout history. How’s the South feeling these days about losing the Civil War because the North didn’t like parts of their ideology? The Enlightenment happened slowly and not in every person to this day. Change takes time. And it’s the height of arrogance to believe you, your country, or your intellectual equals know what’s best for the rest of the planet.
And Boo, holy fuck, “imposed democracy seems a non-starter”? No fucking shit. I think a remedial reading of what democracy entails is in order for a whole bunch of Americans these days. From Howard Dean to John Bolton and on down through the pipeline.
If you can’t impose your beliefs on other people then how did Christianity and Islam become so widespread? I think you mean that you ought not try to impose your beliefs on other people because of x,y,z.
The entire Cold War was an effort of two rival mainly secular ideologies to impose their belief systems on others. At the end of it there was a broad consensus that the Western version was superior to the Eastern version. The Koreans, the Taiwanese, the Chieans, the Argentinians, the South Africans, the Eastern Bloc, and so on, all embraced the basic outlines of the Western ideology. Only the heart of Islam has really held out.
But, even if we work with your going assumptions, there is still the question of what alternative ideology might replace the Islamist one. If there isn’t one on the horizon then what does that mean for our national security and our foreign relations in the region?
No, I actually meant you “can’t”. People have to be open to them to begin with for any number of reasons, including conditioning. Which is why I said change takes time.
And in terms of Islamists, well, I’m not a big fan, but I’m also not a big fan of the religion of the neocons or of money either. They are also quite dangerous to humanity. However, if the US stopped meddling around in their affairs and allowed the populations of those countries to figure out what to do on their own perhaps we’d have more converts to secularisim. Or at least they’d be making their own decisions.
Education, openness, and restraint is the only way to change hearts and minds. And by education I don’t mean propaganda, I mean funding for schools and hospitals and independent press.
How to protect your national security?
Apologize.
Apologize for the coups, for the jackals, for big oil and big pharma. And say you promise to be better global citizens. Who knows, may go a long way towards starting a path of reason.
Funny. And I thought the Irish believed in some religion that originated in Palestine and was heavily pimped by the late Roman Empire. It did take time, admittedly, but in South Bend Touchdown Jesus still presides today.
Last I checked Indonesia was the country with the most Muslims. It’s 4921 miles from Mecca to Jakarta.
And the first Muslims arrived in Africa in 642 and they had conquered all of North Africa by 711. There were still Jews and Christians, but most of them converted. So, it is obviously possible to impose your beliefs on others.
It helps if your ideas have some innate appeal. It’s even better if your ideas benefit people.
There are two different discussions. Should we try to impose our ideas and, if so, how?
If we stop trying, what are the implications? What’s like to happen? How will it impact our economies? Our security? Our foreign relations?
There is a big difference between our ideas as expressed by Bush and our ideas as expressed by the consensus of the developed world of free-trading representative democracies.
Well I think we’re arguing semantics, yes, you can “impose” your beliefs, but it is only with the passage of time, story telling, personal experiences, etc. etc. that they truly ignite with the populace and reach a tipping point.
I think that the Golden Rule applies here with spreading the West’s ideology… show the rest of the world that our word is bond and we live our principles and they may be more likely to listen to us vs. the reality of seeing CIA sponsored or trained death squads roaming the countryside while leaflets proclaiming the wonders of ‘democracy’ rain down over head.
Knox below continues on this type of theme.
Yes, in fact I think we should “impose” our ideas. In some senses, they’re already deeply imbedded.
The problem is that the current US leadership/strategic class doesn’t understand the war its fighting or how and why the developoed world’s ideas have appeal.
Your making a mistake here.
The Middle East hasn’t held out. Neither has China or Russia. Or Venezuela. Or arguably Argentina, Brazil, and any other number of countires. And even arguably France and perhaps the whole EU project.
What they have held out against is being coopted into an America dominated version of this system, served primarily to benefit American interests and American power.
As to your question, the answer lies in the long term. It is a generational challenge – and maybe longer. Economic growth and education will be the only things that will reduce the appeal of fundamentalism. In this sense the US strategy is backwards. Its leaders don’t understand the significance of thinkers like Van Creveld and the fact that we are fighting a fourth generation war, a war where politics comes before military action. Basically, the US’s whole strategy plays right into Al Qaeda’s hands in that it constructs the narrative it wants – about “Crusader-Zionists” trying to crush the Islamic world. Highlight the contradictions and all that.
I mean look at the polling numbers right now in Lebanon. 87% of the population supports Hezballah in its struggle with Israel. A mere 8% views the US as a friend. Until Bush understands – or perhaps more importantly the entire bankrupt leadership class understands – the nature of the conflict, we’ll just spin our wheels for years.
Daniel Patrick, not Patrick Daniel.
thank you.
You have to go deeper than ideology if you want peace.
Ideology is the breeze fanning the flames when a spark meets dry tinder. We need to consider “Why is the tinder dry? Can we prevent sparks?”
Wars are a much more primal affair than ideology, as I commented here. Ideologies are the window dressing we create to explain to ourselves and others our descent into instinctive primal madness.
Don’t allow the tinder to dry, and sparks are a manageable problem. And the breeze is just so much hot air.
Skip the ideology. Cut to the chase. Offer people food, a safe reliable supply of clean water, jobs that will help their society progress. The only condition? A familiar one: “Don’t be a prick.”
When their lower level needs are met, explain the advantages of democracy if they choose to take it. But it’s up to them.
And the power plants, desalinization plants, hospitals, schools? They get to keep them all, no strings attached. Because that’s the way civilized nations behave. Pay it forward.
Now that’s a formula to “win hearts and minds.” We used to behave that way, back when we were respected around the world. The nations and organizations that still behave that way still get respect from the vast majority of the populace in troubled spots – who then are enough to keep the few malcontents in line on their own, once they’re on their feet. Example: the former Yugoslavian republics.
It’s not rocket science, but it may be more than Bush can wrap his mind around. It’s a reasonable investment with great long-term payoffs (OT – like fighting climate change), but Cheney and Rumsfeld are looking only at the next quarterly profit statement.
Yes.
Are you available to run things for a while?
“But Cheney and Rumsfeld are only looking at the next quarterly profit statement.” So, like the management of many “American Corporations” our government has come to know the price of everything, and the value of nothing. Or so it would seem.
BooMan – I am struggling to understand a variety of viewpoints and beliefs.
What isn’t open to debate is that neither European colonization, nor Marxism, have succeeded in taming the Middle East, nor in bringing it into the post-war community of nations that live and trade in relative peace.
I keep reading that the U.S.’s main export is weapons. Why would the entities involved in designing, producing, and selling weapons want peace?
How much of our economy is dependent on weapons? If peace broke out, would our economy collapse or be seriously damaged?
It seems there is quite a contradiction in what is considered “America’s” ideology and how “America” really functions.
I’m not sure the Soviet Union is quite an accurate representation of Marxism. It would seem to me tribal societies living in relatively harsh environments would already have a kind of “communism” to survive. But then again, there would be the “haves” and the “have nots.”
Anyway, thanks for providing me with a place to put my thoughts.