I’m sure many of you (maybe most of you) have read Supersoling’s diary Thank you Damnit Janet and Madman in the Marketplace. It’s a passionate, well written piece, which calls out Booman and me and the other front pagers for not taking notice of the anniversary of the first use of atomic weapons against Hiroshima on August 6, 1945. Another day that will live in infamy for many of us here.
I’m not angry at Supersoling for what he wrote. He is right. Neither I, nor BooMan, wrote a front page story about the Hiroshima bombing. For me, however, my failure to note the anniversary of the Hiroshima A-Bomb attack on the front page of BT wasn’t because I was unaware of the date.
Far from it.
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Most of you probably do not know that my wife is Nisei, or a second generation Japanese American, the first generation being her two parents who moved to New York City after the war in the mid-1950’s. As you can imagine, I’ve had many discussions over the years about the war between Japan and America, especially regarding the effect it had on ordinary Japanese civilians.
Indeed, my wife’s mother survived the first firebombing attack on Tokyo begun by Curtis LeMay, commander of the American Bomber Forces in the Pacific. The tales she tells about those experiences are harrowing, shocking and even surreal. Hearing her describe watching as people became human torches, seeing all the burnt and charred bodies of both the living and the dead, and the utter devastation of one of the great cities of the world, I always find myself at a loss for words. It’s impossible for me to imagine such things, even though she is a captivating storyteller.
So, each year, my wife and I take note of the atomic bombings that were inflicted on Japan. But one in particular matters more to my wife than the other. That was the second bombing, the one everyone slights, the one whose anniversary falls today on August 9th. The bombing of Nagasaki.
You might well ask why she is more concerned with remembering the second atomic attack, rather than the first. Hiroshima, after all, is more well known, and its people suffered far more casualties than the people of Nagasaki, who were fortunate that “their bomb” was aimed poorly and fell far from the center of the city. But she does, and I’ll tell you why.
It’s because Nagasaki was the second bombing. After Hiroshima, she always tells me, the Americans knew what the bomb would do to people. They knew the devastation that it had caused. But they couldn’t wait for the Japanese government to consider the effects of that first bomb. So, even as the Emperor prepared to meet with his highest government officials to consider surrender, news came to Japan’s Supreme Council that Nagasaki had also been bombed with an atomic weapon.
My wife is convinced that the sacrifice of the people of Nagasaki was a useless gesture. Japan was ready to surrender after Hiroshima. Russia had just entered the war, and was slaughtering Japanβs army in Manchuria. The Emperor was already inclined to accede to the terms of the Allies in her view. In her mind Nagasaki was the greater horror, and the greater tragedy. I tend to agree with her.
Nagasaki did not cause Japan to end the war. Hiroshima and the Soviet attack were well on their way to accomplishing that fact. Nor did the terror of the atomic bomb add anything to that discussion. Far more people had already died, and more cities had been laid waste, by LeMay’s unprecedented fire bombing raids on the cities of Japan. The Japanese people had already been more than adequately terrorized.
As for the Russians, they were well aware we had the atomic bomb, and after Hiroshima they certainly got the message that we would use it, even against defenseless civilian populations. One more atomic attack wasn’t likely to change their calculus regarding American intentions and capabilities when it came to nuclear warfare. I know that many may disagree, but my wife and I feel that Nagasaki was a greater crime than Hiroshima, a senseless, vindictive gesture by President Truman, who was so anxious to end the war against Japan that he couldn’t wait even a few more days to see what the Japanese government would do in response to events.
So, in our family, the atomic bombing of Nagasaki is the one we remember each year. Today is the anniversary of that event. Normally, we remember the date with a moment of silence and prayer, but this time, in light of Supersoling’s diary, I thought it appropriate to write about it here, on the BT front page.
Let me make myself clear. I am not angry with Supersoling for what he wrote. Nuclear warfare is a terrible thing, and it is even more terrible that there are those in our government who wish to employ nuclear weapons again against Iranian targets. That would be a crime beyond imagining if they do so, no matter how small the yields of those weapons, no matter the nomenclature of “tactical nukes” which they employ to make them seem less harmful, less dangerous, less horrifying.
Supersoling is right. We do need to remember the dates of these atrocities. The Holocaust. The fire bombings of Hamburg and Dresden. The Khmer Rouge killings in Cambodia. LeMay’s firebombing campaign against Japan. Rwanda. Darfur. And the atomic attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Today is the anniversary of the dropping of the “Fat Man” plutonium based atomic bomb on the people of Nagasaki. Please take a moment out of your day and meditate or pray that such an event will never happen again, that somewhere in the hearts of people across the globe the desire for peace and non-violence will grow so stronger than the forces of hate, violence and war.
Thank you.
Thank you Steven.
I spent a long time talking with KamaKid about this very subject. Why even if some justification could be made for Hiroshima (and we both agreed we would be hard pressed to find any in hindsight), there was no excuse for Nagasaki. It was a travesty.
Very important, Steven. Thanks for the nod to Supersoling’s excellent diary as well.
I’m with your wife on this. I think the real reason we dropped the second bomb is this:
They used two different explosion mechanisms, and the government wanted to know the effects of each type. I think it’s really that cynical.
Little Boy was a gun-type mechanism that fired one half of a highly enriched uranium mass towards the other to reach critical mass. This was used on Hiroshima. This was the earlier prototype bomb.
Fat Man, dropped on Nagasaki, used implosion. It contained a sub-critical sphere of plutonium in a hollow sphere with explosives on the outside to compress the plutonium, igniting a chain reaction. Plutonium didn’t work well in gun-type bombs but worked very well, as the infamous “Trinity” test showed in 1945.
So yes. I agree. I don’t think either bomb was necessary. And while there are some who think more lives were saved than lost after the first nuclear detonation, no one can make that argument with the bombing of Nagaski.
Thank you so much for bringing this to light, Steven!
But Nagasaki was the real test – a weapon
Please ignore that strange stray last sentence – I didn’t see that before!
As further support to the above – here’s a quote from this good article on the bombs:
I had an inkling that it might have been a test. You post makes much sense. I theorized that we wanted to show the world that we had more than one bomb or some such nonsense, but the test idea is much more plausible.
from the American Physical Society
Thank you Steven for a very personal and thought provoking, stirring and emotional diary. We all are worried that these idiots in power right now will do the unthinkable and take us back to the future. I weep for those that lost their lives to such atrocious terror. May we all hope and pray that we never have this happen again.
I thought of you Sunday, StevenD. You and your son.
It was beautiful day in Portland. Just as the Toki drummers were about to play a flock of birds… I think they were swallows… not sure (all I know is they were seagulls or pidgeons π ) flew over the drummers and the people gathered on the park’s grass.
An organizer apparently forgot to give notice to shut off the sprinklers and they all kept going off during the memorial. People would jump up to go stand on the spiggots. But no one left and they stayed quiet.
I thought of you and your son… and I hope today you know that me and my family may not have any loved ones who were near the blast… but it has impacted us. And I hope with all my heart that listening to the people speak of what happened on those two mornings… the statistics, the facts, the prayers… and the forgiveness… I can only hope that it makes better humans out of my children.
I took my kids there because all they knew was what they’ve been taught in school… “it stopped a war”… it was a “merciful act”… and we know that just wasn’t the case.
Birds flew over… and I though of you.
Tonight is a peace vigil. I’m going with Ameer in my heart and a candle for Nagasaki… and for you and your son.
XOXOX
Thank you Janet. My son was very moved by his visit to Hiroshima last year on his trip to Japan. It sparked a lot of conversations, I can tell you.
Keep up the good work. It is too easy to let anger and a desire for vengeance push us toward wars that benefit no one but those who are in power or run the large corporations which manufacture armaments. We need, more than ever a revival of a movement of peace and non-violence throughout the world.
Yeah I remembered that!!!! You’ve written so many things about him that I felt like I already knew him when I met him. π
I have a plaque on the front of my home. We all picked it out…. my family of Judo dudes… it’s the Japanese charachter for Peace.
I have 3 different Peace t-shirts, my favorite one has the symbol for Peace on the front with the words peace written over and over inside the symbol in English. For some reason I also find just looking at the sybol/letter itself peaceful.
remember to check spelling…symbol..
OOps, I meant to say “they WERE’NT seagulls or pidgeons” otherwise we’d all be ducking for cover if a flock flew over like that π
Man!!! we are all out of vigil candles already. I’m not sure what to make of that… normally our grocery list would be…
toiletpaper
napkins
olive oil..
etc etc
But now… it’s
toiletpaper…
…
AND
vigil candles
paper cups for holders
sunscreen for marching
foot cream (freakin blisters, suck)
π
I join with you and your wife and millions of others in meditating on the people who suffered and died so horribly in Nagasaki.
Thank you Steven.
Thank you, Steven, Supersoling, Madman and Janet.
Amen to that, Boran.
So many strong, passionate, humane, eloquent voices in the pond.
thank you Steven. As the warmongers try to silence communication, and dehumanize the “enemy” by squelching their stories, it is very important to listen, to learn, to share the experiences of survivors like your mother-in-law. As the propagandists kill, the storytellers nurture and save.
Thanks for sharing you and your family’s story, and for remembering this day as well.
Yes, whatever the horror of Hiroshima, and it was unspeakable, there are no words that explain Nagasaki.
I saw my father tear up just three times in my life. One of these was when I found him reading Hersey’s Hiroshima, which my civics teacher had given me. My father sat up all night to finish it, and gave it back to me with one brief comment: “How could they bomb Nagasaki, after this?”.
My dad had flown reconnaissance flights over Japan, taking photographs for the bombing that was to come. He was never sure if his crew’s pictures were used, and he never told us where he flew, but as the navigator, he knew exactly. Given his strong opposition to nuclear warfare – at great odds with his otherwise rightwing politics, we drew our own conclusions.
These anniversaries are a necessary hardness of memory, but if we lose them to memory, then I think we will be lost, to do this again.
My respects to your wife, Steven.
Your wife’s reasoning is more than powerful.
It’s shameful beyond measure – not her saying it, obviously, but what she points out.
I posted a comment in Janet’s diary yesterday. This seems like a good time and place to repeat it:
Thanks for remembering, DJ.
I had to be reminded yesterday.
Here’s a photo and quote from a remarkable man that I’ve met and whose work I’ve studied. He “wrote the book” on the effects of the bomb on the survivors of Hiroshima, and pioneered the field of psychohistory.
I think you’d really like what he has to say.
his Google page
“…psychopaths have little difficulty infiltrating the domains of…politics, law enforcement, (and) government.” Dr. Robert Hare
A phrase that bears repeating: “Never forget.”
“We do need to remember the dates of these atrocities. The Holocaust. The fire bombings of Hamburg and Dresden. The Khmer Rouge killings in Cambodia. LeMay’s firebombing campaign against Japan. Rwanda. Darfur. And the atomic attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.”
The Nazi V2 rockets (Wehrner von Braun) were launched less than a mile from where I’m sitting here behind the PC.
Londen and Coventry
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1940 - Bombing the heart of Rotterdam
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Siege of Stalingrad
BBC News – German Surrender at Stalingrad 1943
and don’t ever forget Communism under Stalin – Mao Tse Tung costing the lives of tens of millions innocent citizens.
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
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Who’s the Churchill of them all …
Tony Blair delivered the most eloquent lecture on freedom
Gulliani on ‘Statesman’ Bush: Comparison with Churchill and WWII
Just a reminder: the Second World War was not a war of choice and bears no comparison with the Iraq Crusade of Bush and Blair. Get our soldiers out NOW!
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Thanks for such a personal, meaningful, well-written piece.
Don’t feel too bad.If you want to, go back to june 6 2006! Ya know what anniversary it was? D-DAY! And guess what- to save you the trouble– ya could a counted the reports on less than ONE (1) hand!!!!!!!!
So there. If ya can say anything about this country-HISTORY- Whats that?
billjpa@aol.com
There have been several other recent diaries about the A bombs. Many have tried to understand why the bombs were dropped.
I offered several reasons (as did others):
I think revenge was an unstated (at least in official quarters) reason. Many ordinary people in the US were strongly anti-Japanese and the internment demonstrates how prevalent this attitude was.
But, the real reason was institutional inertia. Once a course of action has been started their are just too many who have a stake in keeping it going. We can see this operating right now in Iraq and Lebanon. When something isn’t working, hit it with a bigger hammer.
Apparently this is a lesson that the leaders of the world can’t learn. That and the lust for war just seem unstoppable.
I attended our local Hiroshima day memorial and heard the same speeches that have been given for 60 years. After all this time the anti-nuclear movement can’t point to a single real accomplishment. It’s discouraging.
First of all, I wrote about Hiroshima and the morality of bombing on Sunday in a diary that was completely ignored here, although it was high on the diary rescue at dkos and on the recommended list at the Euro Trib and frontpaged at E Pluribus Media, all with a lot of comments.
On Nagasaki, it was indeed the more morally questionable act, and revealed many of the reasons behind the use of the Bomb. It was dropped because the bomb was ready. Nagasaki wasn’t even the primary target; the crew didn’t want to return with the bomb or drop it in the ocean, so they stretched their fuel to drop it there, barely making it back to base.
Truman was probably not even told until after the bomb was dropped. He ordered that no more be dropped, which didn’t much matter because there weren’t any more bombs ready. Leaflets warning of the possibility that the bomb would be dropped there fluttered down on the city, days after the bomb had destroyed it.