Some US intelligence analysts aren’t so sure that North Korea’s much ballyhooed nuclear test really was all that — well — nuclear:
U.S. intelligence agencies say, based on preliminary indications, that North Korea did not produce its first nuclear blast yesterday.
U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that seismic readings show that the conventional high explosives used to create a chain reaction in a plutonium-based device went off, but that the blast’s readings were shy of a typical nuclear detonation.
“We’re still evaluating the data, and as more data comes in, we hope to develop a clearer picture,” said one official familiar with intelligence reports. […]
The official said that so far, “it appears there was more fizz than pop.”
Are these officials blowing smoke? Who knows. This story originated in the Washington Times, so take it with a grain of salt, but it is true that the relatively low level of the explosion is significant. Low yield nuclear devices at the level of hundreds of tons of explosive force are atypical. Usually, a country’s initial nuclear tests are in the kiloton (i.e., thousands of tons of TNT) range.
Philip E. Coyle III, a former head of weapons testing at the Pentagon and former director of nuclear testing for the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, said the unimpressive size of the test signaled the possibility of a partial success or failure.
“As first tests go, this is smaller and less successful than the other nuclear powers,” he said. “Now, maybe they intended to make it small, and perhaps they did, who knows?”
“But if it turns out to be a kiloton or less,” he added, “that would suggest that they hoped for more than that and didn’t get it.”
I do note that later in the Washington Times article, Russian officials are quoted as claiming the explosion was in the 5 to 15 kiloton range (equivalent to 5,000 – 15,000 tons of TNT). Which scientists and intelligence analysts should be believed, at this point, is impossible to ascertain. But perhaps we should display some caution before jumping off the deep end in our diplomatic response to this alleged provocation. What we don’t know vastly outweighs what we do know on the subject.
Meanwhile, leave it to NewsMax to run a story claiming Iranian scientists were present to observe the North Korean test:
Another potential problem facing the White House say U.N. sources is the belief that Iranian scientists may have been present at the North Korean nuclear test.
In recent weeks, published reports have claimed that North Korea and Iran may have been “exchanging” nuclear technology.
Per its usual practice, the NewMax article is woefully short of any supporting facts for these claims. Which UN officials were saying Iranian scientists were believed to be present at the North Korean test ids not disclosed, but I suspect it was someone in Ambassador Bolton’s office, if not Mr. Bolton himself. And the “published reports” of the exchange of nuclear technology between Iran and North Korea are also left unnamed and uncredited.
I’m sure, that if it served the Bush administration’s interests, Chinese or Russian scientists would have magically appeared at the test site as well. All thoroughly documented and sourced by NewsMax’s crack staff of foreign policy analysts and national security reporters, of course.
No, no, it wasn’t a detonation at all. It was simply the other shoe dropping.
Whatever it was, rest assured we will be spun like tops by the Bushies about it.
At the very least a dud, according to Jane’s.
Well since Russia and China share a border with N. Korea, I’ll go with Russia and ignore the spin. Whether it was a dud, a spud or 5 kilotons – the size or force of the explosion does not lessen the Bush failure to engage; Iran, N.Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Hamas.
Some are pondering that
Perhaps Baker & Co can really baby sit the next two years. H/T: Laura Rozen with links to this article:
The babies at the White House kindergarten need a diaper change.
A commenter on another blog mentioned the massive conventional explosion that took place in N. Korea several years ago. It’s possible the two events could be related.
I still don’t know if there have been any reliable reports as to a radiological signature. Of course, the N. Koreans are saying it was particularly clean test.
The whole thing seems very fishy.
…that it’s more of an embarrassment than a real threat. I mean, they’ve got one less nuke now, right?
The embarrassment part comes in that we told them and told them and warned them and warned them and they told us to shove it.
And now we’ll tell them and warn them some more.
I saw this on the AP wire yesterday, but not a result when googled. So here is Ireland news:..Russians believe it was a nuclear test.
http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?j=162489320&p=y6z4899xx
Listening to NPR reports, two interesting claims emerged: that it’s easier to make a large nuke than a small one, so it’s unlikely that NK would have intentionally made a small one for its first test. For purposes of intimidation, a small nuke is preferable because it can be put on a missle.
Also, apparently South Korea has determined that the test was real. I’m inclined to believe them.
In any case, this development ranks as yet another failure of Bush’s “don’t talk to bad guys” childishness. It’s sickening to hear this fool bumble about trying to sound competent regarding a threat his own policy enabled. Here’s hoping we survive another two years of abject idiocy.
Does North Korea — or any other country, for that matter — really think we’ll accept its word about the nuclear test without proper corroboration? Why would we trust a country whose citizens are starving but which proceeds nevertheless with a nuclear program?
There is a debate as to whether or not the U.S. should engage in direct discussions with North Korea, as urged by Gov. Bill Richardson and James baker III. The Bush Administration rejects this in favor of a group talk including Russia, China, South Korea, and Japan. North Korea is boycotting the group talk and demanding a one-on-one with the U.S.
What’s in it for North Korea to avoid the group? China, a North Korean ally, has been supplying it with food and fuel, so it has more weight to throw. The Chinese Foreign Ministry expressed anger at this nuclear test. I’m not counting chickens, though, on whether this results in changes.
This was a ‘fizzle’ or a limited chain reaction. They are almost certainly using an implosion design, and it’s really easy to get a partial failure like this if the high explosives used to compress the fissile material fail to give a very even compression.
Some possible implications:
Erroneous design.
Sloppy work or component manufacturing.
Intentional failure due to subversive nuclear scientists.
Failure may heighten motivation for further tests.
That’s 0.8 kt, larger than some estimates of the recent test (or “test”?).
Note also:
Also big, also non-nuclear.
I’ve heard that North Korea had told China to expect a 4 kiloton explosion. If so, then they almost certainly had a nuclear test fizzle — if they’d faked it with conventional explosives, they’d have delivered a blast as big as they promised.