All of the cool kids are talking about the fact the New Jersey Supreme Court will probably release their Lewis v. Harris decision tomorrow morning, likely legalizing same sex marriage in the Garden State. If true, this is undeniably a very good thing. The resulting shitstorm is unlikely to do our nation proud. Surprise!
In other news, this adorable panda stands in the way of all accountability, and his mere image on this page not only ensures endless war, but also an enduring right wing political domination of our nation. Sad, really.
That panda looks evil.
definitely not an amphibian…
A panda just bit off the thumb of an American tourist in China.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20061020/ap_tr_ge/travel_brief_china_panda_bite
Regarding the main point of the post, the New Jersey Supreme Court legalizing gay marriage will probably be enough to flip the election to the Republicans. Good move, New Jersey.
My position, by the way, is that all marriages should be illegal, in the sense that the government has no business being involved in marriage one way or the other. The government should authorize civil unions, including homosexual couples. Religious institutions should be completely free to authorize, or not, “marriages.”
This position is obviously correct and true. And it has exactly no chance of getting heard in this blockheaded country.
Ask me about my nuanced position on abortion some day.
So Arminius, I’ve been meaning to ask you about your nuanced position on abortion. If nothing else, I love me some nuance.
Chris, I had missed that June post of yours, and I’ve just read it with interest.
I’m Catholic. I go to Mass every week, say the creed out loud with conviction, and take communion. I have been fortunate to have had a small number of amazing mystical experiences of what I believe to be God’s love, which saved me from suicide (and I come from a family in which my mother, two brothers, and several others killed themselves). So I have a strong faith. And as a Catholic I’m pro-life.
As I see it, that’s an across-the-board position. Opposition to abortion. Opposition to war. Opposition to poverty. Opposition to euthanasia. Opposition to the death penalty. Support for social justice. And so on. In other words, in my view, a basically Democratic position.
I also believe strongly in separation of church and state. I am vehemently opposed to the presence of American flags in churches. I am vehemently opposed to political statements by clerics. I am vehemently opposed to governmental positions that impose minority religious views on the majority. In addition to being a Catholic, I’m a lawyer, a student of the constitution, and a lifelong champion of human rights. My life’s work is in that area.
Therefore, on abortion, I think Roe v. Wade was a terrible judicial mistake that has horribly divided and may end up destroying this nation. Following the great law professor Mary Ann Glendon, I think the United States should have been permitted to evolve (and it was close to getting there) toward the kind of approach they have imposed by legislative compromise in countries like France: official opposition to abortion, but abortion is free and legal, and major resources are devoted to supporting unwed mothers and otherwise to help mothers bear the burden of additional children. (This, by the way, is basically what Bill Clinton’s position has been.)
The pro-life vs. pro-choice arguments in the United States are ridiculous, intellectually dishonest on both sides. . . . I have a LOT more to say on this issue, but that’s the gist.
On scanning this quickly before posting, I suspect it would be considered prudent on the left blogosphere to fuzz this up a lot and “reframe it” (I hate that expression), to repackage it, with a bunch of opening and closing declarations about women’s rights, etc. But screw that. I reject the entire intellectual framework of Roe v. Wade, which is bogus from top to bottom (and don’t critize me if you haven’t studied the whole damn decision several times, as I have). It’s not a neat matter of one right against another! Blackmun and Douglas got it WRONG!
It’s a matter of the entire society’s response to the poor, to the poor in spirit, to the poor in power. And this country, I’m afraid, has about run its course.
you should post a diary on your position because a comment leaves too many holes to be picked apart.
And I don’t want to be unfair and pick apart a comment for not being specific enough.
On Roe v. Wade we do indeed have an example of people legislating from the bench. At issue, the court recognized that a woman should access to legal abortion and that they were the only way that women could get that right. Then they went about justifying it.
Unfortunately, they didn’t really have solid judicial grounds or lasting medical expertise to make that ruling.
The precedent was obviously civil rights where they had to use the commerce clause to wedge much needed civil rights into the law.
It was a strained decision that has badly divided the nation. And yet, at bottom, they did the right thing.
You say you are pro-life but then basically contradict yourself. So, I won’t pick at you on that issue, since it requires clarification.
I would agree that they optimal thing would be for the Congress to pass a law legalizing abortion and setting the parameters for it based on the latest science. And as part of that, it should really go for the whole hog on helping to limit unwanted pregnancies and supporting young unwed mothers, streamlining adoption, fixing foster care, and generally pushing a progressive pro-natal pro-choice program.
But we need a filibuster proof Senate and a friendly President to make it happen. Something to work for.
BooMan, you and everybody else in this country needs to “think outside the box.”
I’m pro-life AND pro-choice. Those are NOT opposite positions. It’s a false dichotomy.
The policies matter more than the slogans. I’ve outlined my policies above. They’re identical to what Clinton always declared–abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.
This is not an insincere straddle. It’s the CORRECT POSITION both theologically and in terms of healing the wounds of society and protecting the poor.
Maybe I’ll write a diary on this some day after the election. It might be safe here (especially since traffic here seems to be way down). It would certainly be suicidal on DKos.
Thank you for your reply Arminius. In my typical foolishness, I didn’t expect a reply this substantive and I’m caught off guard. I hope you’ll forgive me if I don’t reply in kind just now.
Sorry. <heh heh>
This reminds me of a funny story on myself. At about age 14 I had a chance to go to some protestant summer camp for a week. You had to fill out a questionnaire, including a question on why you wanted to go. I wrote a long essay on “identity” and “searching” and so forth. I often cringe, even today, to imagine how that went over with the dimwitted 18 year old counselors.
I’m in my 50s, and I still make variations of that same mistake every month.
If the gay and abortion issues are costing the whole nation… are they more important than the whole nation?
I mean, I do not say “give up” on the right things as we call them, but would it be a political mistake to say that there are much more terrible and important things on Earth than gay couples marrying or not marrying? Was the civilization cruel to gays just because it did not even consider marriage of the same sex couples as an obvious thing until about 10 years ago?
Panda there would just soon bite your hand as share his bamboo.
They are part of the Evil Empire as Reagan’s ghost knows. Or the Axis of Evil as the prez zez.
Anyway, full evil!
好~!
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